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OT: JBOD

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by ~~Alan~~, Feb 14, 2010.

  1. ~~Alan~~

    ~~Alan~~ Flightless Bird

    Preface: I am fully aware of the ramifications of data integrity with JBOD
    and RAID-1 (I suppose JBOD and RAID-1 should be nRAID - Non-Redundant array
    of Inexpensive Disks).

    I have 2 HDDs of different sizes in a test system and I'd like to create an
    array of JBOD with Windows 7. My motherboard nor my BIOS is capable of
    this. Can I do this in Software with Windows 7?

    ~alan
     
  2. relic

    relic Flightless Bird

    "~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
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    > Preface: I am fully aware of the ramifications of data integrity with JBOD
    > and RAID-1 (I suppose JBOD and RAID-1 should be nRAID - Non-Redundant
    > array of Inexpensive Disks).
    >
    > I have 2 HDDs of different sizes in a test system and I'd like to create
    > an array of JBOD with Windows 7. My motherboard nor my BIOS is capable of
    > this. Can I do this in Software with Windows 7?


    Never seen a motherboard/BIOS that couldn't support the IDE configuration
    (JBOD). What kind of MB and BIOS do you have?
     
  3. ~~Alan~~

    ~~Alan~~ Flightless Bird

    "relic" <relic211@cjb.net> wrote in message
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    >
    > "~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:hl9gl9$p8i$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >> Preface: I am fully aware of the ramifications of data integrity with
    >> JBOD and RAID-1 (I suppose JBOD and RAID-1 should be nRAID -
    >> Non-Redundant array of Inexpensive Disks).
    >>
    >> I have 2 HDDs of different sizes in a test system and I'd like to create
    >> an array of JBOD with Windows 7. My motherboard nor my BIOS is capable
    >> of this. Can I do this in Software with Windows 7?

    >
    > Never seen a motherboard/BIOS that couldn't support the IDE configuration
    > (JBOD). What kind of MB and BIOS do you have?


    I have an "older" motherboard. It was stock with my Dell Dimension 4600
    computer to be exact.
     
  4. ~~Alan~~

    ~~Alan~~ Flightless Bird

    "relic" <relic211@cjb.net> wrote in message
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    >
    > "~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:hl9gl9$p8i$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >> Preface: I am fully aware of the ramifications of data integrity with
    >> JBOD and RAID-1 (I suppose JBOD and RAID-1 should be nRAID -
    >> Non-Redundant array of Inexpensive Disks).
    >>
    >> I have 2 HDDs of different sizes in a test system and I'd like to create
    >> an array of JBOD with Windows 7. My motherboard nor my BIOS is capable
    >> of this. Can I do this in Software with Windows 7?

    >
    > Never seen a motherboard/BIOS that couldn't support the IDE configuration
    > (JBOD). What kind of MB and BIOS do you have?


    Actually, I know that I can press Shift-F10 at the first window in the
    Windows 7 installation and get a command line prompt. Then I can launch
    Diskpart. Can I use Diskpart to create a JBOD array? If so, how (Cookbook
    instructions here, please)

    ~alan

    >
     
  5. relic

    relic Flightless Bird

    "~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
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    > "relic" <relic211@cjb.net> wrote in message
    > news:3h675k.1hh.17.1@news.alt.net...
    >>
    >> "~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:hl9gl9$p8i$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>> Preface: I am fully aware of the ramifications of data integrity with
    >>> JBOD and RAID-1 (I suppose JBOD and RAID-1 should be nRAID -
    >>> Non-Redundant array of Inexpensive Disks).
    >>>
    >>> I have 2 HDDs of different sizes in a test system and I'd like to create
    >>> an array of JBOD with Windows 7. My motherboard nor my BIOS is capable
    >>> of this. Can I do this in Software with Windows 7?

    >>
    >> Never seen a motherboard/BIOS that couldn't support the IDE configuration
    >> (JBOD). What kind of MB and BIOS do you have?

    >
    > I have an "older" motherboard. It was stock with my Dell Dimension 4600
    > computer to be exact.
    >


    From what I see in your Manual:
    http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim4600/en/4600i/index.htm

    You have IDE Mode disks (JBOD) by default whether they are IDE or SATA. What
    I didn't see was a way to turn your disks into RAID via the BIOS options.
    Windows has a Software RAID capability, but I wouldn't recommend it to
    anybody.

    Check your manual and it it can't support RAID... and you still want
    RAID 0 or 1, I'd get a RAID Controller card _AND_ a pair of new, matching
    HDDs.

    RAID usually refers to Spanned or Mirrored disks. (There are other
    definitions...)
    JBOD usually refers to Disks without any form of RAID.
     
  6. Peter Foldes

    Peter Foldes Flightless Bird

    Re: JBOD

    Just out of curiosity why in heavens name are you using the abbreviation (JBOD) of
    Just a bunch of disks (also could be drives) . Are you trying to impress people
    using this obscure abbreviation which means nothing at all technically in the
    computer industry ?

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    "~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
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    > Preface: I am fully aware of the ramifications of data integrity with JBOD and
    > RAID-1 (I suppose JBOD and RAID-1 should be nRAID - Non-Redundant array of
    > Inexpensive Disks).
    >
    > I have 2 HDDs of different sizes in a test system and I'd like to create an array
    > of JBOD with Windows 7. My motherboard nor my BIOS is capable of this. Can I do
    > this in Software with Windows 7?
    >
    > ~alan
     
  7. Yousuf Khan

    Yousuf Khan Flightless Bird

    ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    > Preface: I am fully aware of the ramifications of data integrity with
    > JBOD and RAID-1 (I suppose JBOD and RAID-1 should be nRAID -
    > Non-Redundant array of Inexpensive Disks).
    >
    > I have 2 HDDs of different sizes in a test system and I'd like to create
    > an array of JBOD with Windows 7. My motherboard nor my BIOS is capable
    > of this. Can I do this in Software with Windows 7?


    So I suppose you are asking whether it is possible to concatenate two or
    more disks together into looking like one big disk, through software?

    Yousuf Khan
     
  8. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    Re: JBOD

    On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:18:28 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >Just out of curiosity why in heavens name are you using the abbreviation (JBOD) of
    >Just a bunch of disks (also could be drives) . Are you trying to impress people
    >using this obscure abbreviation which means nothing at all technically in the
    >computer industry ?


    In which part of the computer industry does JBOD mean nothing? As
    someone who works as a network engineer for a large corporation and
    also runs a business on the side that repairs, builds, and upgrades
    personal computers, the term is perfectly legitimate to me.
     
  9. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:19:45 -0800, "relic" <relic211@cjb.net> wrote:

    >
    >"~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >news:hl9k73$v06$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >> "relic" <relic211@cjb.net> wrote in message
    >> news:3h675k.1hh.17.1@news.alt.net...
    >>>
    >>> "~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:hl9gl9$p8i$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>> Preface: I am fully aware of the ramifications of data integrity with
    >>>> JBOD and RAID-1 (I suppose JBOD and RAID-1 should be nRAID -
    >>>> Non-Redundant array of Inexpensive Disks).
    >>>>
    >>>> I have 2 HDDs of different sizes in a test system and I'd like to create
    >>>> an array of JBOD with Windows 7. My motherboard nor my BIOS is capable
    >>>> of this. Can I do this in Software with Windows 7?
    >>>
    >>> Never seen a motherboard/BIOS that couldn't support the IDE configuration
    >>> (JBOD).


    The last few mobos I bought included on-board JBOD support, but AFAIK
    it's still pretty rare. RAID support is slowly trickling down through
    the various product lines, and JBOD support comes along for the ride.

    >What kind of MB and BIOS do you have?
    >>
    >> I have an "older" motherboard. It was stock with my Dell Dimension 4600
    >> computer to be exact.
    >>

    >
    >From what I see in your Manual:
    >http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim4600/en/4600i/index.htm
    >
    >You have IDE Mode disks (JBOD) by default whether they are IDE or SATA.


    Where'd you see that? I checked the owner's manual and several of the
    tech specs pages and saw no mention of JBOD support. As far as I can
    tell, the OP will need to install a RAID card to get JBOD support
    unless you're seeing something I'm not.

    >Check your manual and it it can't support RAID... and you still want
    >RAID 0 or 1, I'd get a RAID Controller card _AND_ a pair of new, matching
    >HDDs.


    Then again, the whole idea of JBOD is that you can use the drives you
    already have on hand, rather than buying new or matched sets.
     
  10. ~~Alan~~

    ~~Alan~~ Flightless Bird

    "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    > ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    >> Preface: I am fully aware of the ramifications of data integrity with
    >> JBOD and RAID-1 (I suppose JBOD and RAID-1 should be nRAID -
    >> Non-Redundant array of Inexpensive Disks).
    >>
    >> I have 2 HDDs of different sizes in a test system and I'd like to create
    >> an array of JBOD with Windows 7. My motherboard nor my BIOS is capable
    >> of this. Can I do this in Software with Windows 7?

    >
    > So I suppose you are asking whether it is possible to concatenate two or
    > more disks together into looking like one big disk, through software?
    >
    > Yousuf Khan


    >> concatenate two or more disks together into looking like one big disk,
    >> through software?

    This is exactly what I would like to do.

    ~alan
     
  11. Sunny Bard

    Sunny Bard Flightless Bird

  12. Peter Foldes

    Peter Foldes Flightless Bird

    Re: JBOD

    Huh? As someone that does the same,(not on the Network side but on the Server side)
    I sure have to disagree with you

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    "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
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    > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:18:28 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Just out of curiosity why in heavens name are you using the abbreviation (JBOD) of
    >>Just a bunch of disks (also could be drives) . Are you trying to impress people
    >>using this obscure abbreviation which means nothing at all technically in the
    >>computer industry ?

    >
    > In which part of the computer industry does JBOD mean nothing? As
    > someone who works as a network engineer for a large corporation and
    > also runs a business on the side that repairs, builds, and upgrades
    > personal computers, the term is perfectly legitimate to me.
    >
     
  13. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:13:29 +0000, Sunny Bard <sunnybard@txinfo.org>
    wrote:

    >Char Jackson wrote:
    >
    >> the whole idea of JBOD is that you can use the drives you
    >> already have on hand, rather than buying new or matched sets.

    >
    >Just use a spanned volume
    >
    >http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc772180.aspx


    Same thing. ;-) The only difference is in who is controlling it, the
    MS OS or a 3rd party.
     
  14. chrisv

    chrisv Flightless Bird

    Re: JBOD

    "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    news:qgvgn5hnotlrllv53qomrreidl034c9b85@4ax.com...
    > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:18:28 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Just out of curiosity why in heavens name are you using the abbreviation
    >>(JBOD) of
    >>Just a bunch of disks (also could be drives) . Are you trying to impress
    >>people
    >>using this obscure abbreviation which means nothing at all technically in
    >>the
    >>computer industry ?

    >
    > In which part of the computer industry does JBOD mean nothing? As
    > someone who works as a network engineer for a large corporation and
    > also runs a business on the side that repairs, builds, and upgrades
    > personal computers, the term is perfectly legitimate to me.
    >


    JBOD usage was used to distinguish the disk form as non-RAID back when RAID
    was in its infancy.
     
  15. chrisv

    chrisv Flightless Bird

    "~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
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    >
    >
    > "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:4b787b94@news.bnb-lp.com...
    >> ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    >>> Preface: I am fully aware of the ramifications of data integrity with
    >>> JBOD and RAID-1 (I suppose JBOD and RAID-1 should be nRAID -
    >>> Non-Redundant array of Inexpensive Disks).
    >>>
    >>> I have 2 HDDs of different sizes in a test system and I'd like to create
    >>> an array of JBOD with Windows 7. My motherboard nor my BIOS is capable
    >>> of this. Can I do this in Software with Windows 7?

    >>
    >> So I suppose you are asking whether it is possible to concatenate two or
    >> more disks together into looking like one big disk, through software?
    >>
    >> Yousuf Khan

    >
    >>> concatenate two or more disks together into looking like one big disk,
    >>> through software?

    > This is exactly what I would like to do.


    You realize that Software RAID has proven to be dangerous, don't you?
     
  16. Peter Foldes

    Peter Foldes Flightless Bird

    Re: JBOD

    chris

    Nice to see someone that knows the story

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    "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:qgvgn5hnotlrllv53qomrreidl034c9b85@4ax.com...
    >> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:18:28 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Just out of curiosity why in heavens name are you using the abbreviation (JBOD)
    >>>of
    >>>Just a bunch of disks (also could be drives) . Are you trying to impress people
    >>>using this obscure abbreviation which means nothing at all technically in the
    >>>computer industry ?

    >>
    >> In which part of the computer industry does JBOD mean nothing? As
    >> someone who works as a network engineer for a large corporation and
    >> also runs a business on the side that repairs, builds, and upgrades
    >> personal computers, the term is perfectly legitimate to me.
    >>

    >
    > JBOD usage was used to distinguish the disk form as non-RAID back when RAID was in
    > its infancy.
     
  17. Yousuf Khan

    Yousuf Khan Flightless Bird

    chrisv wrote:
    > You realize that Software RAID has proven to be dangerous, don't you?


    Oh come now, at least with software RAID, you can put the disks into
    several different systems with the same software and get the same
    configuration back. On a motherboard-based RAID, it depends on which
    motherboard, and which chipset, etc.

    Yousuf Khan
     
  18. Yousuf Khan

    Yousuf Khan Flightless Bird

    ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    > "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    >>> concatenate two or more disks together into looking like one big
    >>> disk, through software?

    > This is exactly what I would like to do.



    It's available through Windows' own Disk Management interface, provided
    you're using one of the higher-end versions of Windows, such as XP Pro
    or higher, or Windows 7 Ultimate or Enterprise. I don't know if it's
    available in one of the Win7 Home versions though.

    Yousuf Khan
     
  19. chrisv

    chrisv Flightless Bird

    In article <hlaao2$2qh$1@tornado.tornevall.net>
    "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    >
    >"~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >news:hla2i4$n2a$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>
    >>
    >> "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:4b787b94@news.bnb-lp.com...
    >>> ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    >>>> Preface: I am fully aware of the ramifications of data integrity with
    >>>> JBOD and RAID-1 (I suppose JBOD and RAID-1 should be nRAID -
    >>>> Non-Redundant array of Inexpensive Disks).
    >>>>
    >>>> I have 2 HDDs of different sizes in a test system and I'd like to create
    >>>> an array of JBOD with Windows 7. My motherboard nor my BIOS is capable
    >>>> of this. Can I do this in Software with Windows 7?
    >>>
    >>> So I suppose you are asking whether it is possible to concatenate two or
    >>> more disks together into looking like one big disk, through software?
    >>>
    >>> Yousuf Khan

    >>
    >>>> concatenate two or more disks together into looking like one big disk,
    >>>> through software?

    >> This is exactly what I would like to do.

    >
    >You realize that Software RAID has proven to be dangerous, don't you?


    *plonk*
     
  20. ~~Alan~~

    ~~Alan~~ Flightless Bird

    On 2/14/10 5:39 PM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
    > ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    >> Preface: I am fully aware of the ramifications of data integrity with
    >> JBOD and RAID-1 (I suppose JBOD and RAID-1 should be nRAID -
    >> Non-Redundant array of Inexpensive Disks).
    >>
    >> I have 2 HDDs of different sizes in a test system and I'd like to
    >> create an array of JBOD with Windows 7. My motherboard nor my BIOS is
    >> capable of this. Can I do this in Software with Windows 7?

    >
    > So I suppose you are asking whether it is possible to concatenate two or
    > more disks together into looking like one big disk, through software?
    >
    > Yousuf Khan


    I am aware of the ramifications of Raid-0, JBOD, and Software base RAID
    (I'll use the term RAID here to include JBOD)

    What are the step by step instructions to do this? This is a test
    system and I'd like to be able to configure the arrary and install Win7
    on this array.

    Like I said, I know I can get to Diskpart by pressing Shift-F10 at the
    first screen in a Win7 installation where is asks me if I want to
    perform a Win7 installation.

    ~alan
     

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