F
Frank
Flightless Bird
ONE SICK FUCK!!!
On 3/31/2010 8
5 AM, Alias wrote:
>>
>>
>
> Liar.
>
Sick fuck!
On 3/31/2010 8
5 AM, Alias wrote:>>
>>
>
> Liar.
>
Sick fuck!
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A
Alias
Flightless Bird
Joel wrote:
> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>
>> My point is that Linux has comparable programs for these expensive
>> Windows based programs and is a good incentive -- along with Linux'
>> security -- to make the switch and go through the learning curve.
>
>
> Windows has comparable free programs, too. Windows can be used
> securely.
LOL! Not nearly as easily as Linux.
> If people are genuinely interested in Linux, and genuinely
> find that they prefer it, great - but Ubuntu simply can't be anywhere
> near matching Windows, yet. It works decently for some machines, but
> not for others, and isn't polished in any event. Other distros are
> fairly polished, but they also don't go balls-out on bleeding-edge
> hardware support - Linux remains a Catch-22, in that respect, but it
> is improving, and I *do* believe it will gain usage in the coming
> years.
>
I guess you haven't heard about the new nVidia drivers for Ubuntu. Read
about the changes here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1.
--
Alias
> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>
>> My point is that Linux has comparable programs for these expensive
>> Windows based programs and is a good incentive -- along with Linux'
>> security -- to make the switch and go through the learning curve.
>
>
> Windows has comparable free programs, too. Windows can be used
> securely.
LOL! Not nearly as easily as Linux.
> If people are genuinely interested in Linux, and genuinely
> find that they prefer it, great - but Ubuntu simply can't be anywhere
> near matching Windows, yet. It works decently for some machines, but
> not for others, and isn't polished in any event. Other distros are
> fairly polished, but they also don't go balls-out on bleeding-edge
> hardware support - Linux remains a Catch-22, in that respect, but it
> is improving, and I *do* believe it will gain usage in the coming
> years.
>
I guess you haven't heard about the new nVidia drivers for Ubuntu. Read
about the changes here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1.
--
Alias
F
Frank
Flightless Bird
The alias sickness continues...
On 3/31/2010 9:17 AM, Alias wrote:
<--deleted the spam-->
I guess you haven't heard that this is a Windows 7 ng.
On 3/31/2010 9:17 AM, Alias wrote:
<--deleted the spam-->
I guess you haven't heard that this is a Windows 7 ng.
D
DanS
Flightless Bird
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2in6r55q35isdf42knag9ain5rjfnnb7a5@4ax.com:
> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>
>>>> I didn't say it would cause problems if you know what
>>>> you're doing. For the average user, only installing from
>>>> the repositories will provide all the programs most
>>>> users will need.
>>>
>>> Presumably that is true - but it's not all that different
>>> from Windows, really, where most users will find all the
>>> software they need from reputable sources (whether free
>>> or commercial).
>>
>>If you cut out the cost of Windows, PhotoShop, Adobe
>>Acrobat and MS Office, Linux saves a helluva lot of money.
>>So, no, it isn't like Windows cost-wise.
>
>
> I wasn't talking about cost. But how many people buy all
> three of Photoshop, Acrobat and MS Office?
Only businesses, either large or (some) small businesses.
All other people that use them at home are using illegal
copies.
The arguments of those users not being able to use the
programs they steal on Linux are a moot point.
> I don't own any
> of them, myself. I have two free versions of PSP
> (an old NT4/9x-era freebie one I saved from my old dial-up
> modem's driver CD, and the PSP9 installer that requires no
> serial or anything, that they put out via a word to the
> wise right before PSP10 came out - if anyone wants either
> of them, feel free to ask), and OpenOffice.
I have found Paint.Net to work great for the basic work that
99% of home users would need. This is free too, for Windows.
news:2in6r55q35isdf42knag9ain5rjfnnb7a5@4ax.com:
> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>
>>>> I didn't say it would cause problems if you know what
>>>> you're doing. For the average user, only installing from
>>>> the repositories will provide all the programs most
>>>> users will need.
>>>
>>> Presumably that is true - but it's not all that different
>>> from Windows, really, where most users will find all the
>>> software they need from reputable sources (whether free
>>> or commercial).
>>
>>If you cut out the cost of Windows, PhotoShop, Adobe
>>Acrobat and MS Office, Linux saves a helluva lot of money.
>>So, no, it isn't like Windows cost-wise.
>
>
> I wasn't talking about cost. But how many people buy all
> three of Photoshop, Acrobat and MS Office?
Only businesses, either large or (some) small businesses.
All other people that use them at home are using illegal
copies.
The arguments of those users not being able to use the
programs they steal on Linux are a moot point.
> I don't own any
> of them, myself. I have two free versions of PSP
> (an old NT4/9x-era freebie one I saved from my old dial-up
> modem's driver CD, and the PSP9 installer that requires no
> serial or anything, that they put out via a word to the
> wise right before PSP10 came out - if anyone wants either
> of them, feel free to ask), and OpenOffice.
I have found Paint.Net to work great for the basic work that
99% of home users would need. This is free too, for Windows.
P
Philo P. Shagnasty
Flightless Bird
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
news:hovq2u$tqi$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hovhtt$2nm$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:tpe6r5llcpdc177bknamnb4bkklr5uu99b@4ax.com:
>>>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In Windows, it's 3.6.2. In Ubuntu, it's the version you
>>>>>> have.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can install the generic Mozilla bits for Linux. I see
>>>>> no reason to limit oneself to the distro's
>>>>> customized/delayed release.
>>>>
>>>> By the same token, I see no reason to install a newer version if it's
>>>> unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>> At this stage in the game, what new feature could they possibly have in
>>>> a web browser update that would make it a must have (other than
>>>> anything security related).
>>>
>>> Security with FF is more important if you're using Windows. With Ubuntu,
>>> it's not a problem.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> Of course security is not a problem with that SHITTY Ubuntu. Nobody uses
>> it! LOL!
>>
>>
>>
>
> 13 million users say you're a blatant liar. Why are you so afraid of
> Ubuntu?
>
> --
> Alias
Who's afraid of Ubuntu? Certainly not me. I just don't see any use for
that SHITTY OS that doesn't run the programs that I need. Couldn't be
simpler than that!
news:hovq2u$tqi$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hovhtt$2nm$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:tpe6r5llcpdc177bknamnb4bkklr5uu99b@4ax.com:
>>>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In Windows, it's 3.6.2. In Ubuntu, it's the version you
>>>>>> have.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can install the generic Mozilla bits for Linux. I see
>>>>> no reason to limit oneself to the distro's
>>>>> customized/delayed release.
>>>>
>>>> By the same token, I see no reason to install a newer version if it's
>>>> unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>> At this stage in the game, what new feature could they possibly have in
>>>> a web browser update that would make it a must have (other than
>>>> anything security related).
>>>
>>> Security with FF is more important if you're using Windows. With Ubuntu,
>>> it's not a problem.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> Of course security is not a problem with that SHITTY Ubuntu. Nobody uses
>> it! LOL!
>>
>>
>>
>
> 13 million users say you're a blatant liar. Why are you so afraid of
> Ubuntu?
>
> --
> Alias
Who's afraid of Ubuntu? Certainly not me. I just don't see any use for
that SHITTY OS that doesn't run the programs that I need. Couldn't be
simpler than that!
P
Philo P. Shagnasty
Flightless Bird
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
news:hovq3s$tqi$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hov9mm$9u3$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> reagan wrote:
>>>> until ubuntu tries to get another step closer to Windows 7
>>>
>>> It's the other way round but you'd have to know something about Ubuntu
>>> to understand that, not just the FUD that MS spews and you, like a fool,
>>> believe.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> What a crock of shit. Ubuntu is 10 years behind Windows. Their Open
>> Sores software is lacking also. Most think it's a joke and business uses
>> what works: Microsoft products.
>>
>> Ubuntu has been free for years and is still on less than one percent of
>> the desktops. Most reject Ubuntu as a JOKE.
>>
>>
>>
>
> You're lying again. Why are you so afraid of Ubuntu?
>
> --
> Alias
I'm not afraid of that INFERIOR Ubuntu piece of CRAP they call an OS.
Ubuntu doesn't run the software that I need to be productive so Ubuntu is
worthless. By the way, did you know that Ubuntu has been free for years and
is still on LESS THAN one percent of the desktop machines out there?
Imagine, a free product that most reject. That should tell you all you need
to know about that crappy OS.
Oops.
news:hovq3s$tqi$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hov9mm$9u3$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> reagan wrote:
>>>> until ubuntu tries to get another step closer to Windows 7
>>>
>>> It's the other way round but you'd have to know something about Ubuntu
>>> to understand that, not just the FUD that MS spews and you, like a fool,
>>> believe.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> What a crock of shit. Ubuntu is 10 years behind Windows. Their Open
>> Sores software is lacking also. Most think it's a joke and business uses
>> what works: Microsoft products.
>>
>> Ubuntu has been free for years and is still on less than one percent of
>> the desktops. Most reject Ubuntu as a JOKE.
>>
>>
>>
>
> You're lying again. Why are you so afraid of Ubuntu?
>
> --
> Alias
I'm not afraid of that INFERIOR Ubuntu piece of CRAP they call an OS.
Ubuntu doesn't run the software that I need to be productive so Ubuntu is
worthless. By the way, did you know that Ubuntu has been free for years and
is still on LESS THAN one percent of the desktop machines out there?
Imagine, a free product that most reject. That should tell you all you need
to know about that crappy OS.
Oops.
A
Alias
Flightless Bird
Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
> news:hovq2u$tqi$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>> news:hovhtt$2nm$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:tpe6r5llcpdc177bknamnb4bkklr5uu99b@4ax.com:
>>>>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Windows, it's 3.6.2. In Ubuntu, it's the version you
>>>>>>> have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can install the generic Mozilla bits for Linux. I see
>>>>>> no reason to limit oneself to the distro's
>>>>>> customized/delayed release.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the same token, I see no reason to install a newer version if
>>>>> it's unnecessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> At this stage in the game, what new feature could they possibly
>>>>> have in a web browser update that would make it a must have (other
>>>>> than anything security related).
>>>>
>>>> Security with FF is more important if you're using Windows. With
>>>> Ubuntu, it's not a problem.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> Of course security is not a problem with that SHITTY Ubuntu. Nobody
>>> uses it! LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 13 million users say you're a blatant liar. Why are you so afraid of
>> Ubuntu?
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>
> Who's afraid of Ubuntu? Certainly not me. I just don't see any use for
> that SHITTY OS that doesn't run the programs that I need. Couldn't be
> simpler than that!
>
>
>
Then why do you continually lie about it? What is your motivation for
being such a liar?
--
Alias
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
> news:hovq2u$tqi$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>> news:hovhtt$2nm$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:tpe6r5llcpdc177bknamnb4bkklr5uu99b@4ax.com:
>>>>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Windows, it's 3.6.2. In Ubuntu, it's the version you
>>>>>>> have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can install the generic Mozilla bits for Linux. I see
>>>>>> no reason to limit oneself to the distro's
>>>>>> customized/delayed release.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the same token, I see no reason to install a newer version if
>>>>> it's unnecessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> At this stage in the game, what new feature could they possibly
>>>>> have in a web browser update that would make it a must have (other
>>>>> than anything security related).
>>>>
>>>> Security with FF is more important if you're using Windows. With
>>>> Ubuntu, it's not a problem.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> Of course security is not a problem with that SHITTY Ubuntu. Nobody
>>> uses it! LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 13 million users say you're a blatant liar. Why are you so afraid of
>> Ubuntu?
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>
> Who's afraid of Ubuntu? Certainly not me. I just don't see any use for
> that SHITTY OS that doesn't run the programs that I need. Couldn't be
> simpler than that!
>
>
>
Then why do you continually lie about it? What is your motivation for
being such a liar?
--
Alias
J
Joel
Flightless Bird
DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
>> how many people buy all
>> three of Photoshop, Acrobat and MS Office?
>
>Only businesses, either large or (some) small businesses.
>
>All other people that use them at home are using illegal
>copies.
>
>The arguments of those users not being able to use the
>programs they steal on Linux are a moot point.
Largely true, except they don't need to pirate them *nor* run Linux to
obtain comparable ones that are free or affordable.
--
Joel Crump
>> how many people buy all
>> three of Photoshop, Acrobat and MS Office?
>
>Only businesses, either large or (some) small businesses.
>
>All other people that use them at home are using illegal
>copies.
>
>The arguments of those users not being able to use the
>programs they steal on Linux are a moot point.
Largely true, except they don't need to pirate them *nor* run Linux to
obtain comparable ones that are free or affordable.
--
Joel Crump
A
Alias
Flightless Bird
Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
> news:hovq3s$tqi$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>> news:hov9mm$9u3$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> reagan wrote:
>>>>> until ubuntu tries to get another step closer to Windows 7
>>>>
>>>> It's the other way round but you'd have to know something about
>>>> Ubuntu to understand that, not just the FUD that MS spews and you,
>>>> like a fool, believe.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> What a crock of shit. Ubuntu is 10 years behind Windows. Their Open
>>> Sores software is lacking also. Most think it's a joke and business
>>> uses what works: Microsoft products.
>>>
>>> Ubuntu has been free for years and is still on less than one percent
>>> of the desktops. Most reject Ubuntu as a JOKE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You're lying again. Why are you so afraid of Ubuntu?
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>
> I'm not afraid of that INFERIOR Ubuntu piece of CRAP they call an OS.
> Ubuntu doesn't run the software that I need to be productive so Ubuntu
> is worthless. By the way, did you know that Ubuntu has been free for
> years and is still on LESS THAN one percent of the desktop machines out
> there? Imagine, a free product that most reject. That should tell you
> all you need to know about that crappy OS.
>
> Oops.
>
>
Most people used to think the world was flat. Some still do. That
doesn't make any less round, though.
--
Alias
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
> news:hovq3s$tqi$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>> news:hov9mm$9u3$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> reagan wrote:
>>>>> until ubuntu tries to get another step closer to Windows 7
>>>>
>>>> It's the other way round but you'd have to know something about
>>>> Ubuntu to understand that, not just the FUD that MS spews and you,
>>>> like a fool, believe.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> What a crock of shit. Ubuntu is 10 years behind Windows. Their Open
>>> Sores software is lacking also. Most think it's a joke and business
>>> uses what works: Microsoft products.
>>>
>>> Ubuntu has been free for years and is still on less than one percent
>>> of the desktops. Most reject Ubuntu as a JOKE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You're lying again. Why are you so afraid of Ubuntu?
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>
> I'm not afraid of that INFERIOR Ubuntu piece of CRAP they call an OS.
> Ubuntu doesn't run the software that I need to be productive so Ubuntu
> is worthless. By the way, did you know that Ubuntu has been free for
> years and is still on LESS THAN one percent of the desktop machines out
> there? Imagine, a free product that most reject. That should tell you
> all you need to know about that crappy OS.
>
> Oops.
>
>
Most people used to think the world was flat. Some still do. That
doesn't make any less round, though.
--
Alias
F
Frank
Flightless Bird
On 3/31/2010 106 AM, Alias wrote:
> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hovq2u$tqi$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>> news:hovhtt$2nm$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:tpe6r5llcpdc177bknamnb4bkklr5uu99b@4ax.com:
>>>>>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Windows, it's 3.6.2. In Ubuntu, it's the version you
>>>>>>>> have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can install the generic Mozilla bits for Linux. I see
>>>>>>> no reason to limit oneself to the distro's
>>>>>>> customized/delayed release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the same token, I see no reason to install a newer version if
>>>>>> it's unnecessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At this stage in the game, what new feature could they possibly
>>>>>> have in a web browser update that would make it a must have (other
>>>>>> than anything security related).
>>>>>
>>>>> Security with FF is more important if you're using Windows. With
>>>>> Ubuntu, it's not a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Of course security is not a problem with that SHITTY Ubuntu. Nobody
>>>> uses it! LOL!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 13 million users say you're a blatant liar. Why are you so afraid of
>>> Ubuntu?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> Who's afraid of Ubuntu? Certainly not me. I just don't see any use for
>> that SHITTY OS that doesn't run the programs that I need. Couldn't be
>> simpler than that!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then why do you continually lie about it? What is your motivation for
> being such a liar?
>
WoW! The irony! You are the one who continually lies in here and
everyone knows it. You are one sick lunatic.
6 AM, Alias wrote:> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hovq2u$tqi$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>> news:hovhtt$2nm$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:tpe6r5llcpdc177bknamnb4bkklr5uu99b@4ax.com:
>>>>>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Windows, it's 3.6.2. In Ubuntu, it's the version you
>>>>>>>> have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can install the generic Mozilla bits for Linux. I see
>>>>>>> no reason to limit oneself to the distro's
>>>>>>> customized/delayed release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the same token, I see no reason to install a newer version if
>>>>>> it's unnecessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At this stage in the game, what new feature could they possibly
>>>>>> have in a web browser update that would make it a must have (other
>>>>>> than anything security related).
>>>>>
>>>>> Security with FF is more important if you're using Windows. With
>>>>> Ubuntu, it's not a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Of course security is not a problem with that SHITTY Ubuntu. Nobody
>>>> uses it! LOL!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 13 million users say you're a blatant liar. Why are you so afraid of
>>> Ubuntu?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> Who's afraid of Ubuntu? Certainly not me. I just don't see any use for
>> that SHITTY OS that doesn't run the programs that I need. Couldn't be
>> simpler than that!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then why do you continually lie about it? What is your motivation for
> being such a liar?
>
WoW! The irony! You are the one who continually lies in here and
everyone knows it. You are one sick lunatic.
J
Joel
Flightless Bird
Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>> Windows can be used
>> securely.
>
>LOL! Not nearly as easily as Linux.
For the stereotypical grandma who does a few simple things, sure.
Even for a moderately technical (as in someone who knows how to get
the most out of *applications*, but still basically GUI-level) user,
probably. To me, it's far easier to use Windows, because since I know
how to secure it, and am not satisfied by letting Ubuntu's package
manager do everything transparently, Windows lets me just use my own
brain to manage everything. Linux gets in my way.
>> If people are genuinely interested in Linux, and genuinely
>> find that they prefer it, great - but Ubuntu simply can't be anywhere
>> near matching Windows, yet. It works decently for some machines, but
>> not for others, and isn't polished in any event. Other distros are
>> fairly polished, but they also don't go balls-out on bleeding-edge
>> hardware support - Linux remains a Catch-22, in that respect, but it
>> is improving, and I *do* believe it will gain usage in the coming
>> years.
>
>I guess you haven't heard about the new nVidia drivers for Ubuntu. Read
>about the changes here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1.
I'd heard a few vague references to at least a little of that, but
that is interesting to read as a summary. Not very convincing of my
point being outdated yet, however. I don't doubt that it will be a
damn sight better than 9.10, but then again, it better not be. In any
event, they haven't had time to fully implement features and debug
everything. Not humanly possible. Other distros are more honest
about this, and simply don't try to support everything Windows
supports, and focus instead on the features and the underlying
architecture.
I would be happy to see further progress, though, including for
Ubuntu. I have no need for MS to control so much of the market. I
don't see myself switching anytime soon, but if others are interested
in other choices (be it some form of Linux, or Mac, or anything else),
I encourage them to investigate them.
--
Joel Crump
>> Windows can be used
>> securely.
>
>LOL! Not nearly as easily as Linux.
For the stereotypical grandma who does a few simple things, sure.
Even for a moderately technical (as in someone who knows how to get
the most out of *applications*, but still basically GUI-level) user,
probably. To me, it's far easier to use Windows, because since I know
how to secure it, and am not satisfied by letting Ubuntu's package
manager do everything transparently, Windows lets me just use my own
brain to manage everything. Linux gets in my way.
>> If people are genuinely interested in Linux, and genuinely
>> find that they prefer it, great - but Ubuntu simply can't be anywhere
>> near matching Windows, yet. It works decently for some machines, but
>> not for others, and isn't polished in any event. Other distros are
>> fairly polished, but they also don't go balls-out on bleeding-edge
>> hardware support - Linux remains a Catch-22, in that respect, but it
>> is improving, and I *do* believe it will gain usage in the coming
>> years.
>
>I guess you haven't heard about the new nVidia drivers for Ubuntu. Read
>about the changes here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1.
I'd heard a few vague references to at least a little of that, but
that is interesting to read as a summary. Not very convincing of my
point being outdated yet, however. I don't doubt that it will be a
damn sight better than 9.10, but then again, it better not be. In any
event, they haven't had time to fully implement features and debug
everything. Not humanly possible. Other distros are more honest
about this, and simply don't try to support everything Windows
supports, and focus instead on the features and the underlying
architecture.
I would be happy to see further progress, though, including for
Ubuntu. I have no need for MS to control so much of the market. I
don't see myself switching anytime soon, but if others are interested
in other choices (be it some form of Linux, or Mac, or anything else),
I encourage them to investigate them.
--
Joel Crump
F
Frank
Flightless Bird
On 3/31/2010 107 AM, Alias wrote:
> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hovq3s$tqi$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>> news:hov9mm$9u3$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> reagan wrote:
>>>>>> until ubuntu tries to get another step closer to Windows 7
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the other way round but you'd have to know something about
>>>>> Ubuntu to understand that, not just the FUD that MS spews and you,
>>>>> like a fool, believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> What a crock of shit. Ubuntu is 10 years behind Windows. Their Open
>>>> Sores software is lacking also. Most think it's a joke and business
>>>> uses what works: Microsoft products.
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu has been free for years and is still on less than one percent
>>>> of the desktops. Most reject Ubuntu as a JOKE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're lying again. Why are you so afraid of Ubuntu?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> I'm not afraid of that INFERIOR Ubuntu piece of CRAP they call an OS.
>> Ubuntu doesn't run the software that I need to be productive so Ubuntu
>> is worthless. By the way, did you know that Ubuntu has been free for
>> years and is still on LESS THAN one percent of the desktop machines
>> out there? Imagine, a free product that most reject. That should tell
>> you all you need to know about that crappy OS.
>>
>> Oops.
>>
>>
>
> Most people used to think the world was flat.
Says who...you? You are that stupid aren't you.
Some still do.
Like you?
That
> doesn't make any less round, though.
You failed basic analogy 101 didn't you!
I guess that GED isn't all you hoped it would be, right.
Oops!
7 AM, Alias wrote:> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hovq3s$tqi$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>> news:hov9mm$9u3$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> reagan wrote:
>>>>>> until ubuntu tries to get another step closer to Windows 7
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the other way round but you'd have to know something about
>>>>> Ubuntu to understand that, not just the FUD that MS spews and you,
>>>>> like a fool, believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> What a crock of shit. Ubuntu is 10 years behind Windows. Their Open
>>>> Sores software is lacking also. Most think it's a joke and business
>>>> uses what works: Microsoft products.
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu has been free for years and is still on less than one percent
>>>> of the desktops. Most reject Ubuntu as a JOKE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're lying again. Why are you so afraid of Ubuntu?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> I'm not afraid of that INFERIOR Ubuntu piece of CRAP they call an OS.
>> Ubuntu doesn't run the software that I need to be productive so Ubuntu
>> is worthless. By the way, did you know that Ubuntu has been free for
>> years and is still on LESS THAN one percent of the desktop machines
>> out there? Imagine, a free product that most reject. That should tell
>> you all you need to know about that crappy OS.
>>
>> Oops.
>>
>>
>
> Most people used to think the world was flat.
Says who...you? You are that stupid aren't you.
Some still do.
Like you?
That
> doesn't make any less round, though.
You failed basic analogy 101 didn't you!
I guess that GED isn't all you hoped it would be, right.
Oops!
P
Philo P. Shagnasty
Flightless Bird
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
news:hp017m$md2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hovq2u$tqi$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>> news:hovhtt$2nm$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:tpe6r5llcpdc177bknamnb4bkklr5uu99b@4ax.com:
>>>>>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Windows, it's 3.6.2. In Ubuntu, it's the version you
>>>>>>>> have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can install the generic Mozilla bits for Linux. I see
>>>>>>> no reason to limit oneself to the distro's
>>>>>>> customized/delayed release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the same token, I see no reason to install a newer version if it's
>>>>>> unnecessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At this stage in the game, what new feature could they possibly have
>>>>>> in a web browser update that would make it a must have (other than
>>>>>> anything security related).
>>>>>
>>>>> Security with FF is more important if you're using Windows. With
>>>>> Ubuntu, it's not a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Of course security is not a problem with that SHITTY Ubuntu. Nobody
>>>> uses it! LOL!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 13 million users say you're a blatant liar. Why are you so afraid of
>>> Ubuntu?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> Who's afraid of Ubuntu? Certainly not me. I just don't see any use for
>> that SHITTY OS that doesn't run the programs that I need. Couldn't be
>> simpler than that!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then why do you continually lie about it? What is your motivation for
> being such a liar?
>
> --
> Alias
I don't lie about it. When I say that Ubuntu has been free for years and is
still on less than one percent of the desktop machines, that is true. There
is a reason for it. You are just too stupid to figure it out.
Oops.
news:hp017m$md2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hovq2u$tqi$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>> news:hovhtt$2nm$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:tpe6r5llcpdc177bknamnb4bkklr5uu99b@4ax.com:
>>>>>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Windows, it's 3.6.2. In Ubuntu, it's the version you
>>>>>>>> have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can install the generic Mozilla bits for Linux. I see
>>>>>>> no reason to limit oneself to the distro's
>>>>>>> customized/delayed release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the same token, I see no reason to install a newer version if it's
>>>>>> unnecessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At this stage in the game, what new feature could they possibly have
>>>>>> in a web browser update that would make it a must have (other than
>>>>>> anything security related).
>>>>>
>>>>> Security with FF is more important if you're using Windows. With
>>>>> Ubuntu, it's not a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Of course security is not a problem with that SHITTY Ubuntu. Nobody
>>>> uses it! LOL!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 13 million users say you're a blatant liar. Why are you so afraid of
>>> Ubuntu?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> Who's afraid of Ubuntu? Certainly not me. I just don't see any use for
>> that SHITTY OS that doesn't run the programs that I need. Couldn't be
>> simpler than that!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then why do you continually lie about it? What is your motivation for
> being such a liar?
>
> --
> Alias
I don't lie about it. When I say that Ubuntu has been free for years and is
still on less than one percent of the desktop machines, that is true. There
is a reason for it. You are just too stupid to figure it out.
Oops.
P
Philo P. Shagnasty
Flightless Bird
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
news:hp0198$md2$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hovq3s$tqi$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>> news:hov9mm$9u3$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> reagan wrote:
>>>>>> until ubuntu tries to get another step closer to Windows 7
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the other way round but you'd have to know something about Ubuntu
>>>>> to understand that, not just the FUD that MS spews and you, like a
>>>>> fool, believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> What a crock of shit. Ubuntu is 10 years behind Windows. Their Open
>>>> Sores software is lacking also. Most think it's a joke and business
>>>> uses what works: Microsoft products.
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu has been free for years and is still on less than one percent of
>>>> the desktops. Most reject Ubuntu as a JOKE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're lying again. Why are you so afraid of Ubuntu?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> I'm not afraid of that INFERIOR Ubuntu piece of CRAP they call an OS.
>> Ubuntu doesn't run the software that I need to be productive so Ubuntu is
>> worthless. By the way, did you know that Ubuntu has been free for years
>> and is still on LESS THAN one percent of the desktop machines out there?
>> Imagine, a free product that most reject. That should tell you all you
>> need to know about that crappy OS.
>>
>> Oops.
>>
>>
>
> Most people used to think the world was flat. Some still do. That doesn't
> make any less round, though.
>
> --
> Alias
Most people use Microsoft Windows and think that Ubuntu is a piece of shit.
Guess what? They are 100% correct. Ubuntu is a piece of shit and will
always be a piece of shit. (Exception: those geeks who can't get laid
think Ubuntu is the best!)
news:hp0198$md2$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hovq3s$tqi$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Philo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>> news:hov9mm$9u3$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> reagan wrote:
>>>>>> until ubuntu tries to get another step closer to Windows 7
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the other way round but you'd have to know something about Ubuntu
>>>>> to understand that, not just the FUD that MS spews and you, like a
>>>>> fool, believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> What a crock of shit. Ubuntu is 10 years behind Windows. Their Open
>>>> Sores software is lacking also. Most think it's a joke and business
>>>> uses what works: Microsoft products.
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu has been free for years and is still on less than one percent of
>>>> the desktops. Most reject Ubuntu as a JOKE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're lying again. Why are you so afraid of Ubuntu?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> I'm not afraid of that INFERIOR Ubuntu piece of CRAP they call an OS.
>> Ubuntu doesn't run the software that I need to be productive so Ubuntu is
>> worthless. By the way, did you know that Ubuntu has been free for years
>> and is still on LESS THAN one percent of the desktop machines out there?
>> Imagine, a free product that most reject. That should tell you all you
>> need to know about that crappy OS.
>>
>> Oops.
>>
>>
>
> Most people used to think the world was flat. Some still do. That doesn't
> make any less round, though.
>
> --
> Alias
Most people use Microsoft Windows and think that Ubuntu is a piece of shit.
Guess what? They are 100% correct. Ubuntu is a piece of shit and will
always be a piece of shit. (Exception: those geeks who can't get laid
think Ubuntu is the best!)
J
Joel
Flightless Bird
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>I don't doubt that it will be a
>damn sight better than 9.10, but then again, it better not be.
That should say: "... it better be."
--
Joel Crump
>I don't doubt that it will be a
>damn sight better than 9.10, but then again, it better not be.
That should say: "... it better be."
--
Joel Crump
D
DanS
Flightless Bird
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
news127r51bavpr0gocv8b9gp02d3s6ld536l@4ax.com:
> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
>
>>> how many people buy all
>>> three of Photoshop, Acrobat and MS Office?
>>
>>Only businesses, either large or (some) small businesses.
>>
>>All other people that use them at home are using illegal
>>copies.
>>
>>The arguments of those users not being able to use the
>>programs they steal on Linux are a moot point.
>
>
> Largely true, except they don't need to pirate them *nor*
> run Linux to obtain comparable ones that are free or
> affordable.
I didn't say they need them. I only mentioned it because 2 of
the 3 titles mentioned are packages usually cited that 'don't
run on Linux', and the reason people will 'never' use Linux.
Sometimes though, it's the developers that are
stubborn.....take GIMP for example. I've used it. It is a very
capable application, and will even fit most professional needs
I'm sure. But, the user interface sucks beyond belief...the
whole multi top-level window thing. That is why people don't
even try to use it. Sure, there was GIMPshop, but that hasn't
been developed in several years.
news
127r51bavpr0gocv8b9gp02d3s6ld536l@4ax.com:> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
>
>>> how many people buy all
>>> three of Photoshop, Acrobat and MS Office?
>>
>>Only businesses, either large or (some) small businesses.
>>
>>All other people that use them at home are using illegal
>>copies.
>>
>>The arguments of those users not being able to use the
>>programs they steal on Linux are a moot point.
>
>
> Largely true, except they don't need to pirate them *nor*
> run Linux to obtain comparable ones that are free or
> affordable.
I didn't say they need them. I only mentioned it because 2 of
the 3 titles mentioned are packages usually cited that 'don't
run on Linux', and the reason people will 'never' use Linux.
Sometimes though, it's the developers that are
stubborn.....take GIMP for example. I've used it. It is a very
capable application, and will even fit most professional needs
I'm sure. But, the user interface sucks beyond belief...the
whole multi top-level window thing. That is why people don't
even try to use it. Sure, there was GIMPshop, but that hasn't
been developed in several years.
D
DanS
Flightless Bird
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
news:m227r5du599n57nujqm7tfcr51ivuhigb3@4ax.com:
> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>
>>> Windows can be used
>>> securely.
>>
>>LOL! Not nearly as easily as Linux.
>
>
> For the stereotypical grandma who does a few simple things,
> sure. Even for a moderately technical (as in someone who
> knows how to get the most out of *applications*, but still
> basically GUI-level) user, probably. To me, it's far
> easier to use Windows, because since I know how to secure
> it, and am not satisfied by letting Ubuntu's package
> manager do everything transparently, Windows lets me just
> use my own brain to manage everything. Linux gets in my
> way.
>
>
>>> If people are genuinely interested in Linux, and
>>> genuinely
>>> find that they prefer it, great - but Ubuntu simply can't
>>> be anywhere near matching Windows, yet. It works
>>> decently for some machines, but not for others, and isn't
>>> polished in any event. Other distros are fairly
>>> polished, but they also don't go balls-out on
>>> bleeding-edge hardware support - Linux remains a
>>> Catch-22, in that respect, but it is improving, and I
>>> *do* believe it will gain usage in the coming years.
>>
>>I guess you haven't heard about the new nVidia drivers for
>>Ubuntu. Read about the changes here:
>>http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1.
>
>
> I'd heard a few vague references to at least a little of
> that, but that is interesting to read as a summary. Not
> very convincing of my point being outdated yet, however. I
> don't doubt that it will be a damn sight better than 9.10,
> but then again, it better not be. In any event, they
> haven't had time to fully implement features and debug
> everything. Not humanly possible. Other distros are more
> honest about this, and simply don't try to support
> everything Windows supports, and focus instead on the
> features and the underlying architecture.
>
> I would be happy to see further progress, though, including
> for Ubuntu. I have no need for MS to control so much of
> the market. I don't see myself switching anytime soon, but
> if others are interested in other choices (be it some form
> of Linux, or Mac, or anything else), I encourage them to
> investigate them.
Imagine, having an intelligent coversation with someone in
this newsgroup about Linux.....thanks Joel.
This could be a first.
My take on Linux is....don't let anyone tell you what is good
or not. Try things out yourslef, and truly give it an honest
shot. If you don't like it, fine, I don;t care, but at least
you tried something out for yourself.
I have far more respect for that person than the one that
would never even think about looking at it because some monkey
boy keeps insisting 'it's crap'. And worthless, and etc.....
As a matter of fact, as far as life in general, I have far
more respect for anyone that tries and fails, at anything,
than one that never tries at all, because they let someone
else make up their mind for them.
news:m227r5du599n57nujqm7tfcr51ivuhigb3@4ax.com:
> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>
>>> Windows can be used
>>> securely.
>>
>>LOL! Not nearly as easily as Linux.
>
>
> For the stereotypical grandma who does a few simple things,
> sure. Even for a moderately technical (as in someone who
> knows how to get the most out of *applications*, but still
> basically GUI-level) user, probably. To me, it's far
> easier to use Windows, because since I know how to secure
> it, and am not satisfied by letting Ubuntu's package
> manager do everything transparently, Windows lets me just
> use my own brain to manage everything. Linux gets in my
> way.
>
>
>>> If people are genuinely interested in Linux, and
>>> genuinely
>>> find that they prefer it, great - but Ubuntu simply can't
>>> be anywhere near matching Windows, yet. It works
>>> decently for some machines, but not for others, and isn't
>>> polished in any event. Other distros are fairly
>>> polished, but they also don't go balls-out on
>>> bleeding-edge hardware support - Linux remains a
>>> Catch-22, in that respect, but it is improving, and I
>>> *do* believe it will gain usage in the coming years.
>>
>>I guess you haven't heard about the new nVidia drivers for
>>Ubuntu. Read about the changes here:
>>http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1.
>
>
> I'd heard a few vague references to at least a little of
> that, but that is interesting to read as a summary. Not
> very convincing of my point being outdated yet, however. I
> don't doubt that it will be a damn sight better than 9.10,
> but then again, it better not be. In any event, they
> haven't had time to fully implement features and debug
> everything. Not humanly possible. Other distros are more
> honest about this, and simply don't try to support
> everything Windows supports, and focus instead on the
> features and the underlying architecture.
>
> I would be happy to see further progress, though, including
> for Ubuntu. I have no need for MS to control so much of
> the market. I don't see myself switching anytime soon, but
> if others are interested in other choices (be it some form
> of Linux, or Mac, or anything else), I encourage them to
> investigate them.
Imagine, having an intelligent coversation with someone in
this newsgroup about Linux.....thanks Joel.
This could be a first.
My take on Linux is....don't let anyone tell you what is good
or not. Try things out yourslef, and truly give it an honest
shot. If you don't like it, fine, I don;t care, but at least
you tried something out for yourself.
I have far more respect for that person than the one that
would never even think about looking at it because some monkey
boy keeps insisting 'it's crap'. And worthless, and etc.....
As a matter of fact, as far as life in general, I have far
more respect for anyone that tries and fails, at anything,
than one that never tries at all, because they let someone
else make up their mind for them.
M
Muad'Dib
Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Muad'Dib wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> On April 29th, the Long Term Support version of Ubuntu will be
>>> released, a release that Mark Shuttleworth devoted all his time to so
>>> that Ubuntu will finally shoot Windows out of the stratosphere. Get
>>> it at http://www.ubuntu.com/ You'll be glad you did.
>>>
>>> What can be done with Ubuntu:
>>>
>>> Email
>>> Surf the web
>>> Burn CDs.
>>> Rip CDs.
>>> Listen to music.
>>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>>> Scan and print.
>>> Spreadsheets.
>>> Presentations
>>> Newsgroups.
>>> HTML editing.
>>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>>> Make videos.
>>> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
>>> Translations.
>>> Use a dictionary
>>> Learn how to touch type.
>>> Edit images.
>>> Send and receive a fax.
>>> Take screenshots.
>>> Create .PDF files.
>>> Create and use a data base.
>>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one including
>>> Windows Live Messenger.
>>> IRC.
>>> Bluetooth.
>>>
>>> and much more!
>>>
>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>>
>>> Worry about:
>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
>>> DRM,
>>> Viruses,
>>> Root kits,
>>> Spyware,
>>> and
>>> Malware.
>>>
>>
>> Glad to see you are finally recommending an LTS version which is way
>> more sensible for newbies. (General user) I'm looking forward to
>> updating to the new LTS ver, although I'll wait a bit after the
>> initial release as always with ANY OS.
>>
>> G'day
>
> I'll clean install it the day it comes out. If you back up Home, what's
> the risk? This release is supposed to be a Windows breaker now that ext4
> and Grub 2 have matured.
>
Eh,having experienced at least little bugs in whatever new OS release I
have installed has just made me a little careful. No big deal, nor am I
implicating there will be any problems, it is just how _I_ do things.
G'day
> Muad'Dib wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> On April 29th, the Long Term Support version of Ubuntu will be
>>> released, a release that Mark Shuttleworth devoted all his time to so
>>> that Ubuntu will finally shoot Windows out of the stratosphere. Get
>>> it at http://www.ubuntu.com/ You'll be glad you did.
>>>
>>> What can be done with Ubuntu:
>>>
>>> Surf the web
>>> Burn CDs.
>>> Rip CDs.
>>> Listen to music.
>>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>>> Scan and print.
>>> Spreadsheets.
>>> Presentations
>>> Newsgroups.
>>> HTML editing.
>>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>>> Make videos.
>>> Download photos from a camera and organize them.
>>> Translations.
>>> Use a dictionary
>>> Learn how to touch type.
>>> Edit images.
>>> Send and receive a fax.
>>> Take screenshots.
>>> Create .PDF files.
>>> Create and use a data base.
>>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one including
>>> Windows Live Messenger.
>>> IRC.
>>> Bluetooth.
>>>
>>> and much more!
>>>
>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>>
>>> Worry about:
>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
>>> DRM,
>>> Viruses,
>>> Root kits,
>>> Spyware,
>>> and
>>> Malware.
>>>
>>
>> Glad to see you are finally recommending an LTS version which is way
>> more sensible for newbies. (General user) I'm looking forward to
>> updating to the new LTS ver, although I'll wait a bit after the
>> initial release as always with ANY OS.
>>
>> G'day
>
> I'll clean install it the day it comes out. If you back up Home, what's
> the risk? This release is supposed to be a Windows breaker now that ext4
> and Grub 2 have matured.
>
Eh,having experienced at least little bugs in whatever new OS release I
have installed has just made me a little careful. No big deal, nor am I
implicating there will be any problems, it is just how _I_ do things.
G'day
F
Frank
Flightless Bird
On 3/31/2010 1:11 PM, DanS wrote:
> Joel<joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:m227r5du599n57nujqm7tfcr51ivuhigb3@4ax.com:
>
>> Alias<aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>>
>>>> Windows can be used
>>>> securely.
>>>
>>> LOL! Not nearly as easily as Linux.
>>
>>
>> For the stereotypical grandma who does a few simple things,
>> sure. Even for a moderately technical (as in someone who
>> knows how to get the most out of *applications*, but still
>> basically GUI-level) user, probably. To me, it's far
>> easier to use Windows, because since I know how to secure
>> it, and am not satisfied by letting Ubuntu's package
>> manager do everything transparently, Windows lets me just
>> use my own brain to manage everything. Linux gets in my
>> way.
>>
>>
>>>> If people are genuinely interested in Linux, and
>>>> genuinely
>>>> find that they prefer it, great - but Ubuntu simply can't
>>>> be anywhere near matching Windows, yet. It works
>>>> decently for some machines, but not for others, and isn't
>>>> polished in any event. Other distros are fairly
>>>> polished, but they also don't go balls-out on
>>>> bleeding-edge hardware support - Linux remains a
>>>> Catch-22, in that respect, but it is improving, and I
>>>> *do* believe it will gain usage in the coming years.
>>>
>>> I guess you haven't heard about the new nVidia drivers for
>>> Ubuntu. Read about the changes here:
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1.
>>
>>
>> I'd heard a few vague references to at least a little of
>> that, but that is interesting to read as a summary. Not
>> very convincing of my point being outdated yet, however. I
>> don't doubt that it will be a damn sight better than 9.10,
>> but then again, it better not be. In any event, they
>> haven't had time to fully implement features and debug
>> everything. Not humanly possible. Other distros are more
>> honest about this, and simply don't try to support
>> everything Windows supports, and focus instead on the
>> features and the underlying architecture.
>>
>> I would be happy to see further progress, though, including
>> for Ubuntu. I have no need for MS to control so much of
>> the market. I don't see myself switching anytime soon, but
>> if others are interested in other choices (be it some form
>> of Linux, or Mac, or anything else), I encourage them to
>> investigate them.
>
> Imagine, having an intelligent coversation with someone in
> this newsgroup about Linux.....thanks Joel.
>
> This could be a first.
What a stupid, self-serving comment. This is a Windows 7 ng, not a linux ng.
>
> My take on Linux is....don't let anyone tell you what is good
> or not. Try things out yourslef, and truly give it an honest
> shot. If you don't like it, fine, I don;t care, but at least
> you tried something out for yourself.
>
> I have far more respect for that person than the one that
> would never even think about looking at it because some monkey
> boy keeps insisting 'it's crap'. And worthless, and etc.....
>
> As a matter of fact, as far as life in general, I have far
> more respect for anyone that tries and fails, at anything,
> than one that never tries at all, because they let someone
> else make up their mind for them.
> Joel<joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:m227r5du599n57nujqm7tfcr51ivuhigb3@4ax.com:
>
>> Alias<aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote:
>>
>>>> Windows can be used
>>>> securely.
>>>
>>> LOL! Not nearly as easily as Linux.
>>
>>
>> For the stereotypical grandma who does a few simple things,
>> sure. Even for a moderately technical (as in someone who
>> knows how to get the most out of *applications*, but still
>> basically GUI-level) user, probably. To me, it's far
>> easier to use Windows, because since I know how to secure
>> it, and am not satisfied by letting Ubuntu's package
>> manager do everything transparently, Windows lets me just
>> use my own brain to manage everything. Linux gets in my
>> way.
>>
>>
>>>> If people are genuinely interested in Linux, and
>>>> genuinely
>>>> find that they prefer it, great - but Ubuntu simply can't
>>>> be anywhere near matching Windows, yet. It works
>>>> decently for some machines, but not for others, and isn't
>>>> polished in any event. Other distros are fairly
>>>> polished, but they also don't go balls-out on
>>>> bleeding-edge hardware support - Linux remains a
>>>> Catch-22, in that respect, but it is improving, and I
>>>> *do* believe it will gain usage in the coming years.
>>>
>>> I guess you haven't heard about the new nVidia drivers for
>>> Ubuntu. Read about the changes here:
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1.
>>
>>
>> I'd heard a few vague references to at least a little of
>> that, but that is interesting to read as a summary. Not
>> very convincing of my point being outdated yet, however. I
>> don't doubt that it will be a damn sight better than 9.10,
>> but then again, it better not be. In any event, they
>> haven't had time to fully implement features and debug
>> everything. Not humanly possible. Other distros are more
>> honest about this, and simply don't try to support
>> everything Windows supports, and focus instead on the
>> features and the underlying architecture.
>>
>> I would be happy to see further progress, though, including
>> for Ubuntu. I have no need for MS to control so much of
>> the market. I don't see myself switching anytime soon, but
>> if others are interested in other choices (be it some form
>> of Linux, or Mac, or anything else), I encourage them to
>> investigate them.
>
> Imagine, having an intelligent coversation with someone in
> this newsgroup about Linux.....thanks Joel.
>
> This could be a first.
What a stupid, self-serving comment. This is a Windows 7 ng, not a linux ng.
>
> My take on Linux is....don't let anyone tell you what is good
> or not. Try things out yourslef, and truly give it an honest
> shot. If you don't like it, fine, I don;t care, but at least
> you tried something out for yourself.
>
> I have far more respect for that person than the one that
> would never even think about looking at it because some monkey
> boy keeps insisting 'it's crap'. And worthless, and etc.....
>
> As a matter of fact, as far as life in general, I have far
> more respect for anyone that tries and fails, at anything,
> than one that never tries at all, because they let someone
> else make up their mind for them.
A
Andrew
Flightless Bird
"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
news:Xns9D4C4A16E22AAthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
> "Andrew" <yogig@no.spam.hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:hou1g7$vd9$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>>
>>
>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote
>> in message
>> news:Xns9D4BBFC2285CEthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would I want to waste my time trying to fit software
>>>> programs with that SHITTY Ubuntu? You are damn stupid.
>>>> I run Microsoft SQL Server and Visual Studio you douche
>>>> bag. They need Windows to run, not that INFERIOR Ubuntu.
>>>> Therefore Ubuntu is worth exactly what you pay for it:
>>>> NOTHING. No wonder you use Ubuntu: You are as dumb as a
>>>> ROCK.
>>>
>>> YEAH!!!! Let's here it for the millions and millions of
>>> home users writing SQL queries......oh. Nevermind.
>>
>> How about the millions and millions doing SQL inserts when
>> they enter form data in a webpage or app?
>
> Apps home users use don't use MS SQL Server.
I've worked on a bunch of apps for MS/HP/Spherion/Lowes that use SQL Express
2005/2008 to create a local database on the users machine and populate it
with form data or data from imports.
You can write apps that use SQL Express also (and if you use the webinstall
wrapper you'll be using one of my products.)
http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/ar...he-sql-express-2008-installation-package.aspx
>
> Anything done on a webpage is done on a server somewhere, not
> on the user PC and essentially, cross-platform. There's as
> much of a chance he web server is Linux based and using MySQL
> than it is MS & MS SQL Server.
Not disagreeing on this point.
--
Andrew
news:Xns9D4C4A16E22AAthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
> "Andrew" <yogig@no.spam.hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:hou1g7$vd9$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>>
>>
>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote
>> in message
>> news:Xns9D4BBFC2285CEthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would I want to waste my time trying to fit software
>>>> programs with that SHITTY Ubuntu? You are damn stupid.
>>>> I run Microsoft SQL Server and Visual Studio you douche
>>>> bag. They need Windows to run, not that INFERIOR Ubuntu.
>>>> Therefore Ubuntu is worth exactly what you pay for it:
>>>> NOTHING. No wonder you use Ubuntu: You are as dumb as a
>>>> ROCK.
>>>
>>> YEAH!!!! Let's here it for the millions and millions of
>>> home users writing SQL queries......oh. Nevermind.
>>
>> How about the millions and millions doing SQL inserts when
>> they enter form data in a webpage or app?
>
> Apps home users use don't use MS SQL Server.
I've worked on a bunch of apps for MS/HP/Spherion/Lowes that use SQL Express
2005/2008 to create a local database on the users machine and populate it
with form data or data from imports.
You can write apps that use SQL Express also (and if you use the webinstall
wrapper you'll be using one of my products.)
http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/ar...he-sql-express-2008-installation-package.aspx
>
> Anything done on a webpage is done on a server somewhere, not
> on the user PC and essentially, cross-platform. There's as
> much of a chance he web server is Linux based and using MySQL
> than it is MS & MS SQL Server.
Not disagreeing on this point.
--
Andrew