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[Martin Langsholt]

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
news:hp4gig$89k$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On April 29th, the Long Term Support version of Ubuntu will be released, a
> release that Mark Shuttleworth devoted all his time to so that Ubuntu will
> finally shoot Windows out of the stratosphere. Get it at
> http://www.ubuntu.com/ You'll be glad you did.
>
> What can be done with Ubuntu:

Yeah! I can't wait! NOT!!

 

[WaterBoy]

Come on Dan, really? I've been dabbling with Linux since the slackware days.
I used a service called Dorsai back in the early 90's. It was Unix based and
I remember downloading floppy disks of slackware because I couldn't stand
Windows 3.11, which is why I used OS/2 as well. So about 20 years of Linux
at the desktop level, and still no push, yeah it's great because it's free,
but for the average user it's a nightmare which is why it will never go
anywhere. For example I Duel boot XP and Ubuntu on my spare drive, and low
and behold Grub was all screwed up, I could only boot into Ubuntu. This is
what I was talking about when I said to fix problems it's cryptic line after
cryptic line. I had issues with Firefox plugins as well (For Linux), Alias
immediately jumped in there and accused me of lying yet again. I needed to
run this cryptic command lines to correct the issue:

sudo mv /boot/grub/device.map /boot/grub/device.map.bak
sudo update-grub

When I rebooted all was working again. This took me all of 20 mins to figure
out, but that time really adds up when you're trying to load multiple
software packages.

I can post about how I got wine to work as well if you'd like. That took me
about 1/2 hour because some files didn't exist. I had to search and
completely remove what I had, redownload a new Wine package and re-run the
install...

WaterBoy


"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
news:Xns9D4E9EC98A458thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
> "WaterBoy" <Waterboy@somewhere.com> wrote in
> news:8aWdnaHgx4MmiCvWnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> I think Frank hit it on the head! Go crawl back into your
>> hole and smoke more hash!
>>
>> No Linux Distro will EVER be a threat to Windows.
>
> You don't know that.
>
>> Like I
>> said before, Linux is more of a hobby OS, but if you use it
>> for basic internet surfing only it's not that bad, except
>> if you need to load flash or most Firefox plug-ins, then it
>> is painful to use.
>
> I've never had a problem with Flash or any other plugins for FF
> under Linux. I suspect most don't have a problem.
>
> FF is a mature cross-platform product, just like Thnderbird.
>
> At least pick out some application that really does have
> widespread problems.
>

 

[DanS]

> Well if it's a simple as you say it is, then what in world
> are all of those poor lost Windows users doing in the Windows
> help ng's? Are they that stupid or what?

 

[Frank]

On 4/3/2010 4:24 PM, DanS wrote:
>
>> Well if it's a simple as you say it is, then what in world
>> are all of those poor lost Windows users doing in the Windows
>> help ng's? Are they that stupid or what?

hehehe...how does it feel to shoot yourself in the foot dan-o?...LOL!

 

[DanS]

"WaterBoy" <Waterboy@somewhere.com> wrote in
news:tb6dnXG9ZuO4wyrWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews.com:

> Come on Dan, really? I've been dabbling with Linux since
> the slackware days. I used a service called Dorsai back in
> the early 90's. It was Unix based and I remember
> downloading floppy disks of slackware because I couldn't
> stand Windows 3.11, which is why I used OS/2 as well. So
> about 20 years of Linux at the desktop level, and still no
> push, yeah it's great because it's free, but for the
> average user it's a nightmare which is why it will never go
> anywhere. For example I Duel boot XP and Ubuntu on my spare
> drive, and low and behold Grub was all screwed up, I could
> only boot into Ubuntu. This is what I was talking about
> when I said to fix problems it's cryptic line after cryptic
> line. I had issues with Firefox plugins as well (For
> Linux), Alias immediately jumped in there and accused me of
> lying yet again. I needed to run this cryptic command lines
> to correct the issue:
>
> sudo mv /boot/grub/device.map /boot/grub/device.map.bak
> sudo update-grub

Those are far from cryptic. You know exactly what sudo is, the
program mv, and two parameters for the program mv.

The second, well, if that's cryptic to you......

What would have been a more accurate b*tch was that you needed
to use the command line. That's also something you need to do
with Windows too, when troubleshooting network issues, for
instance.


> When I rebooted all was working again. This took me all of
> 20 mins to figure out, but that time really adds up when
> you're trying to load multiple software packages.
>
> I can post about how I got wine to work as well if you'd
> like. That took me about 1/2 hour because some files didn't
> exist. I had to search and completely remove what I had,
> redownload a new Wine package and re-run the install...

Go ahead, post anything you want. I've never suffered any of
those problems, and most people don't. Comments are made
trying to make any issue what-so-ever seem widespread and a
problem for the majority.


But I digress....my OP was to disagree with this statement.

>>> No Linux Distro will EVER be a threat to Windows.

.....at one time you could have also said....

1) MS will never invest in Apple.
2) The Berlin wall will never come down.
3) The USSR will neer be dissolved.

 

[DanS]

Frank <fb@tbb.moz> wrote in
news:4bb7cfc7$1@news.x-privat.org:

> On 4/3/2010 4:24 PM, DanS wrote:
>>
>>> Well if it's a simple as you say it is, then what in
>>> world are all of those poor lost Windows users doing in
>>> the Windows help ng's? Are they that stupid or what?
>
> hehehe...how does it feel to shoot yourself in the foot
> dan-o?...LOL!

Whatever that means.......

 

[Frank]

On 4/3/2010 4:53 PM, DanS wrote:
> "WaterBoy"<Waterboy@somewhere.com> wrote in
> news:tb6dnXG9ZuO4wyrWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> Come on Dan, really? I've been dabbling with Linux since
>> the slackware days. I used a service called Dorsai back in
>> the early 90's. It was Unix based and I remember
>> downloading floppy disks of slackware because I couldn't
>> stand Windows 3.11, which is why I used OS/2 as well. So
>> about 20 years of Linux at the desktop level, and still no
>> push, yeah it's great because it's free, but for the
>> average user it's a nightmare which is why it will never go
>> anywhere. For example I Duel boot XP and Ubuntu on my spare
>> drive, and low and behold Grub was all screwed up, I could
>> only boot into Ubuntu. This is what I was talking about
>> when I said to fix problems it's cryptic line after cryptic
>> line. I had issues with Firefox plugins as well (For
>> Linux), Alias immediately jumped in there and accused me of
>> lying yet again. I needed to run this cryptic command lines
>> to correct the issue:
>>
>> sudo mv /boot/grub/device.map /boot/grub/device.map.bak
>> sudo update-grub
>
> Those are far from cryptic. You know exactly what sudo is, the
> program mv, and two parameters for the program mv.
>
> The second, well, if that's cryptic to you......
>
> What would have been a more accurate b*tch was that you needed
> to use the command line. That's also something you need to do
> with Windows too, when troubleshooting network issues, for
> instance.
>
>
>> When I rebooted all was working again. This took me all of
>> 20 mins to figure out, but that time really adds up when
>> you're trying to load multiple software packages.
>>
>> I can post about how I got wine to work as well if you'd
>> like. That took me about 1/2 hour because some files didn't
>> exist. I had to search and completely remove what I had,
>> redownload a new Wine package and re-run the install...
>
> Go ahead, post anything you want. I've never suffered any of
> those problems, and most people don't. Comments are made
> trying to make any issue what-so-ever seem widespread and a
> problem for the majority.
>
>
> But I digress....my OP was to disagree with this statement.
>
>>>> No Linux Distro will EVER be a threat to Windows.
>
> ....at one time you could have also said....
>
> 1) MS will never invest in Apple.
> 2) The Berlin wall will never come down.
> 3) The USSR will neer be dissolved.
>
You really just don't get it do you, dan-o!
Oops!

 

[Frank]

On 4/3/2010 4:55 PM, DanS wrote:
> Frank<fb@tbb.moz> wrote in
> news:4bb7cfc7$1@news.x-privat.org:
>
>> On 4/3/2010 4:24 PM, DanS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well if it's a simple as you say it is, then what in
>>>> world are all of those poor lost Windows users doing in
>>>> the Windows help ng's? Are they that stupid or what?
>>
>> hehehe...how does it feel to shoot yourself in the foot
>> dan-o?...LOL!
>
> Whatever that means.......
>
WoW! You didn't even have to duck in order to miss that one.

 

[Death]

Alias wrote:

> On April 29th, the Long Term Support version of Ubuntu will be released,
> a release that Mark Shuttleworth devoted all his time to so that Ubuntu
> will finally shoot Windows out of the stratosphere. Get it at
> http://www.ubuntushitsthebed.com/ You'll be glad you did.

>
> What can be done with Ubuntushitsthebed:

Nothing that a nice calculator can't do.

I still see you're at that same ubuntard nonsence.
Ubuntu sucks, and if you weren't in a drug induced state of near-death,
you'd know that.

I believe I read before that the silly countdowns to nothing would
cease.

You seem to be a lying sack of excrement.

For Ubuntushitsthebed to increase in popularity past the few cheap ass
shit-for-brains users it has, Shuttlebutt will need to start paying
people to use it.
Download ubuntushitsthebed, and receive $100.

There's a program you should get behind, Alias, before you meet your
maker.

They may get stuck with ubuntushitsthebed, but at least they'll have a
hundred bucks.


--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

 

[WaterBoy]

I guess not Frank! Although I have nothing against Dan, he actually brings
some good points and valid arguments at times. Alias? Well that's a
different story... All he is trying to do it push a product that nobody
really wants or needs...

and for the record Dan, I knew some of these commands. I just needed to
figure out where the grub config files were and perform some trial and
errors... Most Non-technical people would have trouble with this. I am
somewhat technical and I had problems. I'm happy for you that everything
works right of the box with no problems, not everyone shares that same
theory...

WaterBoy

"Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4bb7dc77$1@news.x-privat.org...
> On 4/3/2010 4:53 PM, DanS wrote:
>> "WaterBoy"<Waterboy@somewhere.com> wrote in
>> news:tb6dnXG9ZuO4wyrWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> Come on Dan, really? I've been dabbling with Linux since
>>> the slackware days. I used a service called Dorsai back in
>>> the early 90's. It was Unix based and I remember
>>> downloading floppy disks of slackware because I couldn't
>>> stand Windows 3.11, which is why I used OS/2 as well. So
>>> about 20 years of Linux at the desktop level, and still no
>>> push, yeah it's great because it's free, but for the
>>> average user it's a nightmare which is why it will never go
>>> anywhere. For example I Duel boot XP and Ubuntu on my spare
>>> drive, and low and behold Grub was all screwed up, I could
>>> only boot into Ubuntu. This is what I was talking about
>>> when I said to fix problems it's cryptic line after cryptic
>>> line. I had issues with Firefox plugins as well (For
>>> Linux), Alias immediately jumped in there and accused me of
>>> lying yet again. I needed to run this cryptic command lines
>>> to correct the issue:
>>>
>>> sudo mv /boot/grub/device.map /boot/grub/device.map.bak
>>> sudo update-grub
>>
>> Those are far from cryptic. You know exactly what sudo is, the
>> program mv, and two parameters for the program mv.
>>
>> The second, well, if that's cryptic to you......
>>
>> What would have been a more accurate b*tch was that you needed
>> to use the command line. That's also something you need to do
>> with Windows too, when troubleshooting network issues, for
>> instance.
>>
>>
>>> When I rebooted all was working again. This took me all of
>>> 20 mins to figure out, but that time really adds up when
>>> you're trying to load multiple software packages.
>>>
>>> I can post about how I got wine to work as well if you'd
>>> like. That took me about 1/2 hour because some files didn't
>>> exist. I had to search and completely remove what I had,
>>> redownload a new Wine package and re-run the install...
>>
>> Go ahead, post anything you want. I've never suffered any of
>> those problems, and most people don't. Comments are made
>> trying to make any issue what-so-ever seem widespread and a
>> problem for the majority.
>>
>>
>> But I digress....my OP was to disagree with this statement.
>>
>>>>> No Linux Distro will EVER be a threat to Windows.
>>
>> ....at one time you could have also said....
>>
>> 1) MS will never invest in Apple.
>> 2) The Berlin wall will never come down.
>> 3) The USSR will neer be dissolved.
>>
> You really just don't get it do you, dan-o!
> Oops!

 

[DanS]

"WaterBoy" <Waterboy@somewhere.com> wrote in
news:CJidnUkgDYemviTWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@giganews.com:

> I guess not Frank!

If you think Frank posts anything that makes any sense, at any
time, you might be as f'd up as he is. Let's hope that's not the
case. Like his one-lie reply to my post. That has absolutely no
meaning to me what-so-ever....just like most of the things he
posts.....and why I didn't reply....it means nothing. There's no
context to even begin to think of what I 'don't get'.

<SNIP>

> and for the record Dan, I knew some of these commands. I
> just needed to figure out where the grub config files were
> and perform some trial and errors... Most Non-technical
> people would have trouble with this.

Possibly.

> I am somewhat
> technical and I had problems. I'm happy for you that
> everything works right of the box with no problems, not
> everyone shares that same theory...

Good. But that is the state of Linux *today*, in five more
years, who knows. It could get 'worse' it could get 'better'. My
whole response was to your comment that 'Linux will NEVER be
threat to Windows'. That was the whole point of my OP in this
thread.

 

[DanS]

DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in
news:Xns9D5157711CBC9thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131:

> "WaterBoy" <Waterboy@somewhere.com> wrote in
> news:CJidnUkgDYemviTWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> I guess not Frank!
>
> If you think Frank posts anything that makes any sense, at
> any time, you might be as f'd up as he is. Let's hope
> that's not the case. Like his one-lie reply to my post.

Correction.....above was supposed to read one-line...but maybe
it was a Freudian slip.

 

[Alias]

WaterBoy wrote:
> Come on Dan, really? I've been dabbling with Linux since the slackware
> days. I used a service called Dorsai back in the early 90's. It was Unix
> based and I remember downloading floppy disks of slackware because I
> couldn't stand Windows 3.11, which is why I used OS/2 as well. So about
> 20 years of Linux at the desktop level, and still no push, yeah it's
> great because it's free, but for the average user it's a nightmare which
> is why it will never go anywhere. For example I Duel boot XP and Ubuntu
> on my spare drive, and low and behold Grub was all screwed up, I could
> only boot into Ubuntu. This is what I was talking about when I said to
> fix problems it's cryptic line after cryptic line. I had issues with
> Firefox plugins as well (For Linux), Alias immediately jumped in there
> and accused me of lying yet again. I needed to run this cryptic command
> lines to correct the issue:
>
> sudo mv /boot/grub/device.map /boot/grub/device.map.bak
> sudo update-grub
>
> When I rebooted all was working again. This took me all of 20 mins to
> figure out, but that time really adds up when you're trying to load
> multiple software packages.
>
> I can post about how I got wine to work as well if you'd like. That took
> me about 1/2 hour because some files didn't exist. I had to search and
> completely remove what I had, redownload a new Wine package and re-run
> the install...
>
> WaterBoy

You've been using Linux that long and still dual boot and use WINE?

--

Alias

 

[Alias]

DanS wrote:
> "WaterBoy"<Waterboy@somewhere.com> wrote in
> news:tb6dnXG9ZuO4wyrWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> Come on Dan, really? I've been dabbling with Linux since
>> the slackware days. I used a service called Dorsai back in
>> the early 90's. It was Unix based and I remember
>> downloading floppy disks of slackware because I couldn't
>> stand Windows 3.11, which is why I used OS/2 as well. So
>> about 20 years of Linux at the desktop level, and still no
>> push, yeah it's great because it's free, but for the
>> average user it's a nightmare which is why it will never go
>> anywhere. For example I Duel boot XP and Ubuntu on my spare
>> drive, and low and behold Grub was all screwed up, I could
>> only boot into Ubuntu. This is what I was talking about
>> when I said to fix problems it's cryptic line after cryptic
>> line. I had issues with Firefox plugins as well (For
>> Linux), Alias immediately jumped in there and accused me of
>> lying yet again. I needed to run this cryptic command lines
>> to correct the issue:
>>
>> sudo mv /boot/grub/device.map /boot/grub/device.map.bak
>> sudo update-grub
>
> Those are far from cryptic. You know exactly what sudo is, the
> program mv, and two parameters for the program mv.
>
> The second, well, if that's cryptic to you......
>
> What would have been a more accurate b*tch was that you needed
> to use the command line. That's also something you need to do
> with Windows too, when troubleshooting network issues, for
> instance.
>
>
>> When I rebooted all was working again. This took me all of
>> 20 mins to figure out, but that time really adds up when
>> you're trying to load multiple software packages.
>>
>> I can post about how I got wine to work as well if you'd
>> like. That took me about 1/2 hour because some files didn't
>> exist. I had to search and completely remove what I had,
>> redownload a new Wine package and re-run the install...
>
> Go ahead, post anything you want. I've never suffered any of
> those problems, and most people don't. Comments are made
> trying to make any issue what-so-ever seem widespread and a
> problem for the majority.
>
>
> But I digress....my OP was to disagree with this statement.
>
>>>> No Linux Distro will EVER be a threat to Windows.
>
> ....at one time you could have also said....
>
> 1) MS will never invest in Apple.
> 2) The Berlin wall will never come down.
> 3) The USSR will neer be dissolved.
>

I think you can safely say that Frank will not get smarter and he will
continue to spew his usual inanities.

--
Alias

 

[Alias]

WaterBoy wrote:
> I guess not Frank! Although I have nothing against Dan, he actually
> brings some good points and valid arguments at times. Alias? Well that's
> a different story... All he is trying to do it push a product that
> nobody really wants or needs...
>
> and for the record Dan, I knew some of these commands. I just needed to
> figure out where the grub config files were and perform some trial and
> errors... Most Non-technical people would have trouble with this. I am
> somewhat technical and I had problems. I'm happy for you that everything
> works right of the box with no problems, not everyone shares that same
> theory...
>
> WaterBoy

I do. I've never had a problem installing Ubuntu. You say you're a
technical person yet you dual boot and use WINE.

--
Alias

 

[Alias]

Martin Langsholt wrote:
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
> news:hp4gig$89k$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On April 29th, the Long Term Support version of Ubuntu will be
>> released, a release that Mark Shuttleworth devoted all his time to so
>> that Ubuntu will finally shoot Windows out of the stratosphere. Get it
>> at http://www.ubuntu.com/ You'll be glad you did.
>>
>> What can be done with Ubuntu:
>
> Yeah! I can't wait! NOT!!
>
>

Your loss.

--
Alias

 

[Frank]

On 4/5/2010 7:17 AM, Alias wrote:
> DanS wrote:
>> "WaterBoy"<Waterboy@somewhere.com> wrote in
>> news:tb6dnXG9ZuO4wyrWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> Come on Dan, really? I've been dabbling with Linux since
>>> the slackware days. I used a service called Dorsai back in
>>> the early 90's. It was Unix based and I remember
>>> downloading floppy disks of slackware because I couldn't
>>> stand Windows 3.11, which is why I used OS/2 as well. So
>>> about 20 years of Linux at the desktop level, and still no
>>> push, yeah it's great because it's free, but for the
>>> average user it's a nightmare which is why it will never go
>>> anywhere. For example I Duel boot XP and Ubuntu on my spare
>>> drive, and low and behold Grub was all screwed up, I could
>>> only boot into Ubuntu. This is what I was talking about
>>> when I said to fix problems it's cryptic line after cryptic
>>> line. I had issues with Firefox plugins as well (For
>>> Linux), Alias immediately jumped in there and accused me of
>>> lying yet again. I needed to run this cryptic command lines
>>> to correct the issue:
>>>
>>> sudo mv /boot/grub/device.map /boot/grub/device.map.bak
>>> sudo update-grub
>>
>> Those are far from cryptic. You know exactly what sudo is, the
>> program mv, and two parameters for the program mv.
>>
>> The second, well, if that's cryptic to you......
>>
>> What would have been a more accurate b*tch was that you needed
>> to use the command line. That's also something you need to do
>> with Windows too, when troubleshooting network issues, for
>> instance.
>>
>>
>>> When I rebooted all was working again. This took me all of
>>> 20 mins to figure out, but that time really adds up when
>>> you're trying to load multiple software packages.
>>>
>>> I can post about how I got wine to work as well if you'd
>>> like. That took me about 1/2 hour because some files didn't
>>> exist. I had to search and completely remove what I had,
>>> redownload a new Wine package and re-run the install...
>>
>> Go ahead, post anything you want. I've never suffered any of
>> those problems, and most people don't. Comments are made
>> trying to make any issue what-so-ever seem widespread and a
>> problem for the majority.
>>
>>
>> But I digress....my OP was to disagree with this statement.
>>
>>>>> No Linux Distro will EVER be a threat to Windows.
>>
>> ....at one time you could have also said....
>>
>> 1) MS will never invest in Apple.
>> 2) The Berlin wall will never come down.
>> 3) The USSR will neer be dissolved.
>>
>
> I think you can safely say that Frank will not get smarter and he will
> continue to spew his usual inanities.
>
Oh the irony!

 

[Frank]

On 4/5/2010 45 AM, DanS wrote:
> "WaterBoy"<Waterboy@somewhere.com> wrote in
> news:CJidnUkgDYemviTWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> I guess not Frank!
>
> If you think Frank posts anything that makes any sense, at any
> time, you might be as f'd up as he is. Let's hope that's not the
> case. Like his one-lie reply to my post. That has absolutely no
> meaning to me what-so-ever....just like most of the things he
> posts.....and why I didn't reply....it means nothing. There's no
> context to even begin to think of what I 'don't get'.
>
> <SNIP>
>
>> and for the record Dan, I knew some of these commands. I
>> just needed to figure out where the grub config files were
>> and perform some trial and errors... Most Non-technical
>> people would have trouble with this.
>
> Possibly.
>
>> I am somewhat
>> technical and I had problems. I'm happy for you that
>> everything works right of the box with no problems, not
>> everyone shares that same theory...
>
> Good. But that is the state of Linux *today*, in five more
> years, who knows. It could get 'worse' it could get 'better'. My
> whole response was to your comment that 'Linux will NEVER be
> threat to Windows'. That was the whole point of my OP in this
> thread.

You are aliases water boy aren't you dan-o!
Oops!...LOL!

 

[Frank]

On 4/5/2010 7:22 AM, Alias wrote:
> Martin Langsholt wrote:
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hp4gig$89k$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On April 29th, the Long Term Support version of Ubuntu will be
>>> released, a release that Mark Shuttleworth devoted all his time to so
>>> that Ubuntu will finally shoot Windows out of the stratosphere. Get it
>>> at http://www.ubuntu.com/ You'll be glad you did.
>>>
>>> What can be done with Ubuntu:
>>
>> Yeah! I can't wait! NOT!!
>>
>>
>
> Your loss.
>
You are sick in your empty head. WTF are you doing in this W 7 ng
besides spamming and trolling linux, huh?
Oops! What a POS loser you are. Get lost asshole.

 

[WaterBoy]

Yes, I only dabble into Linux. I can't really use it for any real work, so I
play with the Linux to keep my skills up, you never know what may fall into
your lap, and I always like to be prepared...

I use Windows7 for 99% of everything I do now, I only duel boot into XP
because I refuse to load iTunes on my everyday machine... I bought my wife
the 5th gen iPod nano and I can't find anything that will load music except
iTunes. For My classic iPod I use winamp, which is awesome!

WaterBoy

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
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> WaterBoy wrote:
>> Come on Dan, really? I've been dabbling with Linux since the slackware
>> days. I used a service called Dorsai back in the early 90's. It was Unix
>> based and I remember downloading floppy disks of slackware because I
>> couldn't stand Windows 3.11, which is why I used OS/2 as well. So about
>> 20 years of Linux at the desktop level, and still no push, yeah it's
>> great because it's free, but for the average user it's a nightmare which
>> is why it will never go anywhere. For example I Duel boot XP and Ubuntu
>> on my spare drive, and low and behold Grub was all screwed up, I could
>> only boot into Ubuntu. This is what I was talking about when I said to
>> fix problems it's cryptic line after cryptic line. I had issues with
>> Firefox plugins as well (For Linux), Alias immediately jumped in there
>> and accused me of lying yet again. I needed to run this cryptic command
>> lines to correct the issue:
>>
>> sudo mv /boot/grub/device.map /boot/grub/device.map.bak
>> sudo update-grub
>>
>> When I rebooted all was working again. This took me all of 20 mins to
>> figure out, but that time really adds up when you're trying to load
>> multiple software packages.
>>
>> I can post about how I got wine to work as well if you'd like. That took
>> me about 1/2 hour because some files didn't exist. I had to search and
>> completely remove what I had, redownload a new Wine package and re-run
>> the install...
>>
>> WaterBoy
>
> You've been using Linux that long and still dual boot and use WINE?
>
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> Alias