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old dos s/w program

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eleaticus

Flightless Bird
I have proved insufficient in finding web solution, so please tell me:

how to get my old DOS database program running on XP? The error message is
that it is trying to access the hard drive??

That's true!

As far as I know there is no firewall, the AVG is out on this inherited
system

Thanks

oren
 
S

SC Tom

Flightless Bird
eleaticus wrote:
> I have proved insufficient in finding web solution, so please tell me:
>
> how to get my old DOS database program running on XP? The error
> message is that it is trying to access the hard drive??
>
> That's true!
>
> As far as I know there is no firewall, the AVG is out on this
> inherited system
>
> Thanks
>
> oren


Cna you tell us the name of the program? Someone here may have had some
experience in getting it to run on XP.
--
SC Tom
 
J

John John - MVP

Flightless Bird
eleaticus wrote:
> I have proved insufficient in finding web solution, so please tell me:
>
> how to get my old DOS database program running on XP? The error message is
> that it is trying to access the hard drive??
>
> That's true!


The program is trying to gain direct access to the hardware, that was
quite common on old DOS applications but Windows XP does not permit
direct disk or hardware access. Try running the application in a
virtual machine or in DOSBox.

John
 
U

User66

Flightless Bird
"eleaticus" <eleaticus@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:hj2omk$f7a$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>I have proved insufficient in finding web solution, so please tell me:
>
> how to get my old DOS database program running on XP? The error message is
> that it is trying to access the hard drive??
>
> That's true!
>
> As far as I know there is no firewall, the AVG is out on this inherited
> system
>
> Thanks
>
> oren
>
>
>


Just do the following to open a DOS window



1. Click 'START', 'All Programs', 'Accessories',' Command Prompt', to open the DOS screen with DOS
prompts C:/

2. Type 'CD\'

3. Type 'CD\your data base directory name'

4. Type either the Batch File or the Database Program name to execute

5. You can expand the little DOS directory by right clicking the 'Command Prompt', and Maximizing
the page.

6. Hope your Batch file is not set for the D: drive, if so change it to C: drive and run the Batch
file



Have fun


- User66
 
E

edfair

Flightless Bird
How did you install it on XP?

One database I use requires the install to be made under DOS (dos
machine)and all the installed files copied into the program directory on
the XP machine with a desktop shortcut pointing to the app.
 
E

eleaticus

Flightless Bird
"SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
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> eleaticus wrote:
> > I have proved insufficient in finding web solution, so please tell me:
> >
> > how to get my old DOS database program running on XP? The error
> > message is that it is trying to access the hard drive??
> >
> > That's true!
> >
> > As far as I know there is no firewall, the AVG is out on this
> > inherited system
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > oren

>
> Cna you tell us the name of the program? Someone here may have had some
> experience in getting it to run on XP.


filePro

Thanks

> --
> SC Tom
>
 
E

eleaticus

Flightless Bird
"edfair" <edfair.450tph@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> How did you install it on XP?
>
> One database I use requires the install to be made under DOS (dos
> machine)and all the installed files copied into the program directory on
> the XP machine with a desktop shortcut pointing to the app.


darn. I don't remember if I copied from CD or installed.

Thanks for these suggestions.

oren
>
>
 
E

eleaticus

Flightless Bird
"John John - MVP" <audetweld@nbnot.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eZjzJ$JmKHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> eleaticus wrote:
> > I have proved insufficient in finding web solution, so please tell me:
> >
> > how to get my old DOS database program running on XP? The error message

is
> > that it is trying to access the hard drive??
> >
> > That's true!

>
> The program is trying to gain direct access to the hardware, that was
> quite common on old DOS applications but Windows XP does not permit
> direct disk or hardware access. Try running the application in a
> virtual machine or in DOSBox.


Virtual machine. Will do.

DOSBox? Commercial, I'm guessing. Will see.

Thanks

oren
> John
 
E

eleaticus

Flightless Bird
"User66" <user66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eTZ19AKmKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "eleaticus" <eleaticus@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:hj2omk$f7a$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >I have proved insufficient in finding web solution, so please tell me:
> >
> > how to get my old DOS database program running on XP? The error message

is
> > that it is trying to access the hard drive??
> >
> > That's true!
> >
> > As far as I know there is no firewall, the AVG is out on this inherited
> > system
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > oren
> >
> >
> >

>
> Just do the following to open a DOS window
>
>
>
> 1. Click 'START', 'All Programs', 'Accessories',' Command Prompt', to open

the DOS screen with DOS
> prompts C:/
>
> 2. Type 'CD\'
>
> 3. Type 'CD\your data base directory name'
>
> 4. Type either the Batch File or the Database Program name to execute
>
> 5. You can expand the little DOS directory by right clicking the 'Command

Prompt', and Maximizing
> the page.
>
> 6. Hope your Batch file is not set for the D: drive, if so change it to C:

drive and run the Batch
> file


If I get you, the execuatables are on the/a CD?

And the data are ...?

Thanks
>
>
>
> Have fun


heh heh

oren
>
> - User66
>
>
 
J

John John - MVP

Flightless Bird
eleaticus wrote:
> "User66" <user66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eTZ19AKmKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "eleaticus" <eleaticus@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:hj2omk$f7a$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> I have proved insufficient in finding web solution, so please tell me:
>>>
>>> how to get my old DOS database program running on XP? The error message

> is
>>> that it is trying to access the hard drive??
>>>
>>> That's true!
>>>
>>> As far as I know there is no firewall, the AVG is out on this inherited
>>> system
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> oren
>>>
>>>
>>>

>> Just do the following to open a DOS window
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Click 'START', 'All Programs', 'Accessories',' Command Prompt', to open

> the DOS screen with DOS
>> prompts C:/
>>
>> 2. Type 'CD\'
>>
>> 3. Type 'CD\your data base directory name'
>>
>> 4. Type either the Batch File or the Database Program name to execute
>>
>> 5. You can expand the little DOS directory by right clicking the 'Command

> Prompt', and Maximizing
>> the page.
>>
>> 6. Hope your Batch file is not set for the D: drive, if so change it to C:

> drive and run the Batch
>> file

>
> If I get you, the execuatables are on the/a CD?


CD is a command, he means to use the Change Directory (CD) command to
navigate to the folder where your DOS application is installed. In any
case the information that he gave you is incorrect, the XP Command
Prompt (cmd.exe) IS NOT DOS, a lot of people think that because it
"looks" like the old DOS console that it must be DOS, they think that
DOS runs on XP as it did on Windows 9x, it doesn't.

John
 
T

Twayne

Flightless Bird
In news:hj2omk$f7a$1@news.eternal-september.org,
eleaticus <eleaticus@bellsouth.net> typed:
> I have proved insufficient in finding web solution, so please tell me:
>
> how to get my old DOS database program running on XP? The error
> message is that it is trying to access the hard drive??
>
> That's true!
>
> As far as I know there is no firewall, the AVG is out on this
> inherited system
>
> Thanks
>
> oren


Have you tried win 98 or 95 Compatability mode?

What is the name of the database program?

How much longer do you expect it to matter if you're running without AV or
firewall? At least turn on the XP firewall for gosh sake!
I predict your computer will crash hard shortly - work fast! A lot of
drive-bys are looking into your open ports.


HTH,

Twayne
 
A

ANONYMOUS

Flightless Bird
It looks like you have a classic problem of dos programs running in XP with
SP2 or higher. I was running Borland Pascal on XP SP2 at one time and the
solution was to make the installed directory of the program readable and
writeable by everybody. To do this you need to make the folder "share this
folder on the network" and also "Allow network users to change my files".

Database, by its very nature is dynamic and so the data is changed
dynamically and so the folder should be writeable.

hth

"eleaticus" <eleaticus@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:hj2omk$f7a$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>I have proved insufficient in finding web solution, so please tell me:
>
> how to get my old DOS database program running on XP? The error message
> is
> that it is trying to access the hard drive??
>
> That's true!
>
> As far as I know there is no firewall, the AVG is out on this inherited
> system
>
> Thanks
>
> oren
>
>
>
 
E

eleaticus

Flightless Bird
"John John - MVP" <audetweld@nbnot.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:ezCjeERmKHA.2164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> eleaticus wrote:
> > "User66" <user66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:eTZ19AKmKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> "eleaticus" <eleaticus@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >> news:hj2omk$f7a$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>> I have proved insufficient in finding web solution, so please tell me:
> >>>
> >>> how to get my old DOS database program running on XP? The error

message
> > is
> >>> that it is trying to access the hard drive??
> >>>
> >>> That's true!
> >>>
> >>> As far as I know there is no firewall, the AVG is out on this

inherited
> >>> system
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> oren
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Just do the following to open a DOS window
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. Click 'START', 'All Programs', 'Accessories',' Command Prompt', to

open
> > the DOS screen with DOS
> >> prompts C:/
> >>
> >> 2. Type 'CD\'
> >>
> >> 3. Type 'CD\your data base directory name'
> >>
> >> 4. Type either the Batch File or the Database Program name to execute
> >>
> >> 5. You can expand the little DOS directory by right clicking the

'Command
> > Prompt', and Maximizing
> >> the page.
> >>
> >> 6. Hope your Batch file is not set for the D: drive, if so change it to

C:
> > drive and run the Batch
> >> file

> >
> > If I get you, the execuatables are on the/a CD?

>
> CD is a command, he means to use the Change Directory (CD) command to
> navigate to the folder where your DOS application is installed. In any
> case the information that he gave you is incorrect, the XP Command
> Prompt (cmd.exe) IS NOT DOS, a lot of people think that because it
> "looks" like the old DOS console that it must be DOS, they think that
> DOS runs on XP as it did on Windows 9x, it doesn't.
>
> John


hmmm.

thanks

oren
 
E

eleaticus

Flightless Bird
"Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:-OsIl%23AkmKHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> In news:hj2omk$f7a$1@news.eternal-september.org,
> eleaticus <eleaticus@bellsouth.net> typed:
> > I have proved insufficient in finding web solution, so please tell me:
> >
> > how to get my old DOS database program running on XP? The error
> > message is that it is trying to access the hard drive??
> >
> > That's true!
> >
> > As far as I know there is no firewall, the AVG is out on this
> > inherited system
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > oren

>
> Have you tried win 98 or 95 Compatability mode?
>
> What is the name of the database program?
>
> How much longer do you expect it to matter if you're running without AV or
> firewall? At least turn on the XP firewall for gosh sake!
> I predict your computer will crash hard shortly - work fast! A lot of
> drive-bys are looking into your open ports.
>


Oh oh!

filepro in all compat modes.

thanks

>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne
>
>
>
 
E

eleaticus

Flightless Bird
"ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message
news:eQ0KJMkmKHA.5840@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> It looks like you have a classic problem of dos programs running in XP

with
> SP2 or higher. I was running Borland Pascal on XP SP2 at one time and the
> solution was to make the installed directory of the program readable and
> writeable by everybody. To do this you need to make the folder "share

this
> folder on the network" and also "Allow network users to change my files".
>
> Database, by its very nature is dynamic and so the data is changed
> dynamically and so the folder should be writeable.


ok. sounds good/possible.

oren
 
T

Twayne

Flightless Bird
In news:hj8nfv$u3r$1@news.eternal-september.org,
eleaticus <eleaticus@bellsouth.net> typed:
> "John John - MVP" <audetweld@nbnot.nb.ca> wrote in message
> news:ezCjeERmKHA.2164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> eleaticus wrote:
>>> "User66" <user66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eTZ19AKmKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> "eleaticus" <eleaticus@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:hj2omk$f7a$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> I have proved insufficient in finding web solution, so please
>>>>> tell me:
>>>>>
>>>>> how to get my old DOS database program running on XP? The error
>>>>> message is that it is trying to access the hard drive??
>>>>>
>>>>> That's true!
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know there is no firewall, the AVG is out on this
>>>>> inherited system
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> oren
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Just do the following to open a DOS window
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Click 'START', 'All Programs', 'Accessories',' Command Prompt',
>>>> to open the DOS screen with DOS prompts C:/
>>>>
>>>> 2. Type 'CD\'
>>>>
>>>> 3. Type 'CD\your data base directory name'
>>>>
>>>> 4. Type either the Batch File or the Database Program name to
>>>> execute
>>>>
>>>> 5. You can expand the little DOS directory by right clicking the
>>>> 'Command Prompt', and Maximizing the page.
>>>>
>>>> 6. Hope your Batch file is not set for the D: drive, if so change
>>>> it to C: drive and run the Batch file
>>>
>>> If I get you, the execuatables are on the/a CD?

>>
>> CD is a command, he means to use the Change Directory (CD) command to
>> navigate to the folder where your DOS application is installed. In
>> any case the information that he gave you is incorrect, the XP
>> Command Prompt (cmd.exe) IS NOT DOS, a lot of people think that
>> because it "looks" like the old DOS console that it must be DOS,
>> they think that DOS runs on XP as it did on Windows 9x, it doesn't.


There IS DOS on windows, and even Microsoft documents and recognizes it.
Would you call a piece of cake not cake because the whole cake isn't there?
You might rename it to a "piece of cake", b ut it's still cake.
The fact that it's a subset of the commonly known DOS commands does not
make it not a DOS.
The fact that its total repertoire of commands exceeds the old DOS
commands my many magnitudes does not say it's not DOS.
"DOS" is a name, NOT an operating sytem in these senses and there is
nothing I've seen where people often think anything about whether XP is
"running on" DOS! They simply haven't noticed that MS in their infinite
wisdom chose to rename it to a Command Prompt, but even MS describes it as A
DOS window.

Should a program try to use any of the removed DOS capabilities, or write
directly to disk which XP forbids, etc., then it's going to fail.
Compatability mode can help that in some cases but not all.




>>
>> John

>
> hmmm.
>
> thanks
>
> oren
 
J

John John - MVP

Flightless Bird
Twayne wrote:

> There IS DOS on windows, and even Microsoft documents and recognizes
> it. Would you call a piece of cake not cake because the whole cake isn't
> there? You might rename it to a "piece of cake", b ut it's still cake.
> The fact that it's a subset of the commonly known DOS commands does
> not make it not a DOS.
> The fact that its total repertoire of commands exceeds the old DOS
> commands my many magnitudes does not say it's not DOS.
> "DOS" is a name, NOT an operating sytem in these senses and there is
> nothing I've seen where people often think anything about whether XP is
> "running on" DOS! They simply haven't noticed that MS in their infinite
> wisdom chose to rename it to a Command Prompt, but even MS describes it
> as A DOS window.


Once again your are deliberately trying to muddle the issue, read the
subject header: "old dos s/w program". The OP is trying to run an old
16-bit DOS application, you ranting on that the 32-bit command processor
is DOS is not helping anything, you can't run any DOS applications in
the native command processor. When people speak of DOS they think back
to the old IBM DOS or the MS-DOS 16-bit operating systems and
applications. There is no DOS in Windows XP, all 16-bit applications
run inside a 32-bit virtual DOS machine.

John
 
U

Unknown

Flightless Bird
Could it possibly be that registry cleaners act on Twaynes brain instead of
his computer?
"John John - MVP" <audetweld@nbnot.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:-OEp5Ib7mKHA.1548@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Twayne wrote:
>
>> There IS DOS on windows, and even Microsoft documents and recognizes it.
>> Would you call a piece of cake not cake because the whole cake isn't
>> there? You might rename it to a "piece of cake", b ut it's still cake.
>> The fact that it's a subset of the commonly known DOS commands does not
>> make it not a DOS.
>> The fact that its total repertoire of commands exceeds the old DOS
>> commands my many magnitudes does not say it's not DOS.
>> "DOS" is a name, NOT an operating sytem in these senses and there is
>> nothing I've seen where people often think anything about whether XP is
>> "running on" DOS! They simply haven't noticed that MS in their infinite
>> wisdom chose to rename it to a Command Prompt, but even MS describes it
>> as A DOS window.

>
> Once again your are deliberately trying to muddle the issue, read the
> subject header: "old dos s/w program". The OP is trying to run an old
> 16-bit DOS application, you ranting on that the 32-bit command processor
> is DOS is not helping anything, you can't run any DOS applications in the
> native command processor. When people speak of DOS they think back to the
> old IBM DOS or the MS-DOS 16-bit operating systems and applications.
> There is no DOS in Windows XP, all 16-bit applications run inside a 32-bit
> virtual DOS machine.
>
> John
 
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