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Not just Internet Explorer then...?

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Stefan Patric

Flightless Bird
Re: W7 and OSX Dual Boot (was Re: Not just Internet Explorerthen...?)

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:25:38 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Stefan Patric <not@this.address.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm running Windows 7 on a *MacBook*, on which I *formatted over* OS
>>> X, because I found its dual-boot scheme fucked up Windows' usefulness
>>> in a certain way.
>>
>>What way? I've never heard any complaints from other Mac users who dual
>>boot Windows and OSX.
>
>
> You can't hibernate Windows the normal way (at least with 10.6.2, Boot
> Camp 3.1, and Win7 Home Premium 32-bit - Windows choked on the resume,
> and started a new session instead), but have to use Boot Camp's "Restart
> in Mac OS X" function, which hibernates Windows in some specific way,
> and then hibernate OS X. Obviously not a great scenario for a laptop,
> when I had decided I didn't like using OS X as the main OS.

Overwriting OS X seems a rather drastic (and expensive) solution to such
a small glitch. Perhaps the Mac community could have helped. Too late,
now.

> Then again, I'd only used OS X for three weeks. I've always been a
> Windows person, although experimenting with Linux and OS X *has* been
> very rewarding experience, if not what I would do day-to-day.

Curious: If you've been a life-long Windows person, why did you buy a
Mac notebook? A Windows notebook would have been a lot less expensive.

Stef
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
Re: W7 and OSX Dual Boot (was Re: Not just Internet Explorer then...?)

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:16:24 GMT, Stefan Patric wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:25:38 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> Stefan Patric <not@this.address.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm running Windows 7 on a *MacBook*, on which I *formatted over* OS
>>>> X, because I found its dual-boot scheme fucked up Windows' usefulness
>>>> in a certain way.
>>>
>>>What way? I've never heard any complaints from other Mac users who dual
>>>boot Windows and OSX.
>>
>>
>> You can't hibernate Windows the normal way (at least with 10.6.2, Boot
>> Camp 3.1, and Win7 Home Premium 32-bit - Windows choked on the resume,
>> and started a new session instead), but have to use Boot Camp's "Restart
>> in Mac OS X" function, which hibernates Windows in some specific way,
>> and then hibernate OS X. Obviously not a great scenario for a laptop,
>> when I had decided I didn't like using OS X as the main OS.
>
> Overwriting OS X seems a rather drastic (and expensive) solution to such
> a small glitch. Perhaps the Mac community could have helped. Too late,
> now.

Not really too late. Apple provides an OS disk which will recreate the
factory state. No activation required :)

It's pretty easy to make clone backups too. They are bootable, too. There
is both free and pay software for that. If the OP did that, he will have
his new data and software too.

>> Then again, I'd only used OS X for three weeks. I've always been a
>> Windows person, although experimenting with Linux and OS X *has* been
>> very rewarding experience, if not what I would do day-to-day.
>
> Curious: If you've been a life-long Windows person, why did you buy a
> Mac notebook? A Windows notebook would have been a lot less expensive.
>
> Stef

Speaking for myself, not the OP: sometimes ya just gotta break out of the
mold. It took me a couple of years to break back in - I returned to the
dark side, partly because I had to run Windows anyway, in a virtual
machine, to do some things that aren't available on the Mac (as far as I
know).

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Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
 
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Joel

Flightless Bird
Re: W7 and OSX Dual Boot (was Re: Not just Internet Explorer then...?)

Stefan Patric <not@this.address.com> wrote:

>> You can't hibernate Windows the normal way (at least with 10.6.2, Boot
>> Camp 3.1, and Win7 Home Premium 32-bit - Windows choked on the resume,
>> and started a new session instead), but have to use Boot Camp's "Restart
>> in Mac OS X" function, which hibernates Windows in some specific way,
>> and then hibernate OS X. Obviously not a great scenario for a laptop,
>> when I had decided I didn't like using OS X as the main OS.
>
>Overwriting OS X seems a rather drastic (and expensive) solution to such
>a small glitch. Perhaps the Mac community could have helped. Too late,
>now.


I could always put it back on (apparently I could even doctor the OS X
install disk to let it install with an MBR-based dual-boot scheme, and
eliminate the Apple-centric problem I encountered, but I dunno if it's
really worth the effort), but I really didn't care for it that much.
It was a great novelty, but I just prefer Win7.


>> Then again, I'd only used OS X for three weeks. I've always been a
>> Windows person, although experimenting with Linux and OS X *has* been
>> very rewarding experience, if not what I would do day-to-day.
>
>Curious: If you've been a life-long Windows person, why did you buy a
>Mac notebook? A Windows notebook would have been a lot less expensive.


I was very interested in trying out OS X, for one thing (and am glad
to have had the experience). I also knew that even in this scenario
(which I didn't expect, but now has happened), I would probably like
Windows better on an Apple laptop than a typical "PC" laptop. The
keyboard layout, trackpad, etc., are nifty. The only problem I've
encountered has to do with the sound drivers, but it's probably
something I can work around - and isn't a *terribly* significant bug
even as is (the sound does work).

--
Joel Crump
 
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Stefan Patric

Flightless Bird
Re: W7 and OSX Dual Boot (was Re: Not just Internet Explorerthen...?)

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:53:54 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:16:24 GMT, Stefan Patric wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>>
>> Overwriting OS X seems a rather drastic (and expensive) solution to
>> such a small glitch. Perhaps the Mac community could have helped. Too
>> late, now.
>
> Not really too late. Apple provides an OS disk which will recreate the
> factory state. No activation required :)

Is the Mac disk a full install one or more like the Windows' CD that uses
a hidden partition on the hard drive to recovery the OS?

Stef
 
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Joel

Flightless Bird
Re: W7 and OSX Dual Boot (was Re: Not just Internet Explorer then...?)

Stefan Patric <not@this.address.com> wrote:

>Is the Mac disk a full install one or more like the Windows' CD that uses
>a hidden partition on the hard drive to recovery the OS?


There are two DVD-ROMs - OS X itself, and an applications disk.
Basically equivalent to a retail copy of Windows, in how it installs
(although it is at least labeled as being specifically for a MacBook
that came with 10.6).

--
Joel Crump
 
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Stefan Patric

Flightless Bird
Re: W7 and OSX Dual Boot (was Re: Not just Internet Explorerthen...?)

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 03:24:36 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Stefan Patric <not@this.address.com> wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>>Overwriting OS X seems a rather drastic (and expensive) solution to such
>>a small glitch. Perhaps the Mac community could have helped. Too late,
>>now.
>
>
> I could always put it back on (apparently I could even doctor the OS X
> install disk to let it install with an MBR-based dual-boot scheme, and
> eliminate the Apple-centric problem I encountered, but I dunno if it's
> really worth the effort), but I really didn't care for it that much. It
> was a great novelty, but I just prefer Win7.

Referring to OS X as a novelty implies a toy, something to play with for
amusement. Most Window-philes just hate OS X on general principles.
You're the first person I've ever talked to who referred to it as "... a
great novelty." What was it about OS X compared to W7 that made it seem
so to you?

>
>>> Then again, I'd only used OS X for three weeks. I've always been a
>>> Windows person, although experimenting with Linux and OS X *has* been
>>> very rewarding experience, if not what I would do day-to-day.
>>
>>Curious: If you've been a life-long Windows person, why did you buy a
>>Mac notebook? A Windows notebook would have been a lot less expensive.
>
>
> I was very interested in trying out OS X, for one thing (and am glad to
> have had the experience). I also knew that even in this scenario (which
> I didn't expect, but now has happened), I would probably like Windows
> better on an Apple laptop than a typical "PC" laptop. The keyboard
> layout, trackpad, etc., are nifty. The only problem I've encountered
> has to do with the sound drivers, but it's probably something I can work
> around - and isn't a *terribly* significant bug even as is (the sound
> does work).

Funny. The two things I hate about Mac notebooks is the keyboard (It
just doesn't "feel" right) and the trackpad. Of course, I just hate
trackpads no matter what machine they are on. I must have a heavy touch
or am surrounded by some mysterious force field, probably related to Dark
Matter, that makes them not work worth a damn.

Stef
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
Re: W7 and OSX Dual Boot (was Re: Not just Internet Explorer then...?)

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:47:28 GMT, Stefan Patric wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:53:54 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:16:24 GMT, Stefan Patric wrote:
>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Overwriting OS X seems a rather drastic (and expensive) solution to
>>> such a small glitch. Perhaps the Mac community could have helped. Too
>>> late, now.
>>
>> Not really too late. Apple provides an OS disk which will recreate the
>> factory state. No activation required :)
>
> Is the Mac disk a full install one or more like the Windows' CD that uses
> a hidden partition on the hard drive to recovery the OS?
>
> Stef

The *real* Windows CD (actually a DVD) is a full installation disk. The
recovery partition is what is provided with computers *by manufacturers*
who are not licensed to provide a Windows installation disc.

The Apple CD is provided by Apple, of course, since all Macs come from
Apple. It is, as I said, an OS disc. I don't recall if it can be used to
repair an installation without losing the owner's work. The backups I
mentioned (and you clipped) will restore the system to exactly where it was
when the backup was made. No surprise there, yes?

--
Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
 
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Joel

Flightless Bird
Re: W7 and OSX Dual Boot (was Re: Not just Internet Explorer then...?)

Stefan Patric <not@this.address.com> wrote:

>Referring to OS X as a novelty implies a toy, something to play with for
>amusement. Most Window-philes just hate OS X on general principles.
>You're the first person I've ever talked to who referred to it as "... a
>great novelty." What was it about OS X compared to W7 that made it seem
>so to you?


It's a very elegant design, and a fascinating combination of Unix, and
proprietary features. It ran 64-bit in 2 GB RAM easily, whereas I
deliberately chose 32-bit Win7 for the same laptop to fit in 2 GB
effectively. I'm interested in operating systems in general, and even
though I haven't used ones other than Windows heavily (well, not since
my old Apple IIe, as a teenager), hands-on experience is the best way
to get more of an understanding of them.

--
Joel Crump
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
Re: W7 and OSX Dual Boot (was Re: Not just Internet Explorer then...?)

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:44:14 GMT, Stefan Patric wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 03:24:36 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> Stefan Patric <not@this.address.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [snip]
>>>Overwriting OS X seems a rather drastic (and expensive) solution to such
>>>a small glitch. Perhaps the Mac community could have helped. Too late,
>>>now.
>>
>>
>> I could always put it back on (apparently I could even doctor the OS X
>> install disk to let it install with an MBR-based dual-boot scheme, and
>> eliminate the Apple-centric problem I encountered, but I dunno if it's
>> really worth the effort), but I really didn't care for it that much. It
>> was a great novelty, but I just prefer Win7.
>
> Referring to OS X as a novelty implies a toy, something to play with for
> amusement. Most Window-philes just hate OS X on general principles.
> You're the first person I've ever talked to who referred to it as "... a
> great novelty." What was it about OS X compared to W7 that made it seem
> so to you?

In English, "novelty" can also just mean "something new". Or not - I won't
speak for Joel :)

I mention that because your name makes me think that your first language
might be French - and if so, your English is far better than my French,
truth be told.

>>>> Then again, I'd only used OS X for three weeks. I've always been a
>>>> Windows person, although experimenting with Linux and OS X *has* been
>>>> very rewarding experience, if not what I would do day-to-day.
>>>
>>>Curious: If you've been a life-long Windows person, why did you buy a
>>>Mac notebook? A Windows notebook would have been a lot less expensive.
>>
>>
>> I was very interested in trying out OS X, for one thing (and am glad to
>> have had the experience). I also knew that even in this scenario (which
>> I didn't expect, but now has happened), I would probably like Windows
>> better on an Apple laptop than a typical "PC" laptop. The keyboard
>> layout, trackpad, etc., are nifty. The only problem I've encountered
>> has to do with the sound drivers, but it's probably something I can work
>> around - and isn't a *terribly* significant bug even as is (the sound
>> does work).
>
> Funny. The two things I hate about Mac notebooks is the keyboard (It
> just doesn't "feel" right) and the trackpad. Of course, I just hate
> trackpads no matter what machine they are on. I must have a heavy touch
> or am surrounded by some mysterious force field, probably related to Dark
> Matter, that makes them not work worth a damn.

In that case, I request that you take this opportunity to solve the mystery
of Dark Matter, since you seem to have a more intimate connection with it
than most astronomers :)

> Stef


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Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
 
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Stefan Patric

Flightless Bird
Re: W7 and OSX Dual Boot (was Re: Not just Internet Explorerthen...?)

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:11:10 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Stefan Patric <not@this.address.com> wrote:
>
>>Referring to OS X as a novelty implies a toy, something to play with for
>>amusement. Most Window-philes just hate OS X on general principles.
>>You're the first person I've ever talked to who referred to it as "... a
>>great novelty." What was it about OS X compared to W7 that made it seem
>>so to you?
>
>
> It's a very elegant design, and a fascinating combination of Unix, and
> proprietary features. It ran 64-bit in 2 GB RAM easily, whereas I
> deliberately chose 32-bit Win7 for the same laptop to fit in 2 GB
> effectively. I'm interested in operating systems in general, and even
> though I haven't used ones other than Windows heavily (well, not since
> my old Apple IIe, as a teenager), hands-on experience is the best way to
> get more of an understanding of them.

Thanks.

Stef
 
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Stefan Patric

Flightless Bird
Re: W7 and OSX Dual Boot (was Re: Not just Internet Explorerthen...?)

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:12:58 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:44:14 GMT, Stefan Patric wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>>> It was a great novelty, but I just prefer Win7.
>>
>> Referring to OS X as a novelty implies a toy, something to play with
>> for amusement. Most Window-philes just hate OS X on general
>> principles. You're the first person I've ever talked to who referred to
>> it as "... a great novelty." What was it about OS X compared to W7
>> that made it seem so to you?
>
> In English, "novelty" can also just mean "something new". Or not - I
> won't speak for Joel :)

Strictly speaking, you are correct, but when I hear "novelty", I think
knickknack. If Joel had referred to OS X as "novel", I would have
interpreted his statement differently. Such is the way of English.
That's what you get with a language that is a compilation of a half dozen
or so others.

> I mention that because your name makes me think that your first language
> might be French - and if so, your English is far better than my French,
> truth be told.

Nope. Born and raised in the USA. Never studied French. Was fairly
fluent in Spanish and German at one time, but have lost most of it from
lack of use.

Stef
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
Re: W7 and OSX Dual Boot (was Re: Not just Internet Explorer then...?)

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 02:11:32 GMT, Stefan Patric wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:12:58 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:44:14 GMT, Stefan Patric wrote:
>>
>>> [snip]
>>>> It was a great novelty, but I just prefer Win7.
>>>
>>> Referring to OS X as a novelty implies a toy, something to play with
>>> for amusement. Most Window-philes just hate OS X on general
>>> principles. You're the first person I've ever talked to who referred to
>>> it as "... a great novelty." What was it about OS X compared to W7
>>> that made it seem so to you?
>>
>> In English, "novelty" can also just mean "something new". Or not - I
>> won't speak for Joel :)
>
> Strictly speaking, you are correct, but when I hear "novelty", I think
> knickknack. If Joel had referred to OS X as "novel", I would have
> interpreted his statement differently. Such is the way of English.
> That's what you get with a language that is a compilation of a half dozen
> or so others.

To tell the truth, I suspect that most languages will let their speakers do
the same - but I'm not able to understand it outside of English.

I agree, thought, that English's tangled linguistic composition helps a
lot. It definitely helps me when I pun.

>> I mention that because your name makes me think that your first language
>> might be French - and if so, your English is far better than my French,
>> truth be told.
>
> Nope. Born and raised in the USA. Never studied French. Was fairly
> fluent in Spanish and German at one time, but have lost most of it from
> lack of use.
>
> Stef

Your English is *still* better than my French :)

But it comforts me that there's half a chance that my *French* (although
like your Spanish & German, it's suffering from lack of use) is better than
your French.

Ciao for now.

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Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
 
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