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.net framework in xp sp2

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Farhan, Feb 6, 2010.

  1. Farhan

    Farhan Flightless Bird

    does .net framework included in win xp sp2?


    Farhan
     
  2. C

    C Flightless Bird

    Farhan wrote:
    > does .net framework included in win xp sp2?
    >
    >
    > Farhan
    >
    >


    I have SP3 and no .NET *anything* is installed on that computer. So the
    answer is no.

    --
    C
     
  3. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Yes, .NET Framework 1.0 and usually .NET Framework 1.1 SP1.

    How to determine which versions of the .NET Framework are installed and
    whether service packs have been applied
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/kb00318785.aspx

    Note: Extended Support for WinXP SP2 ends on 10 July 2010. After that date,
    computers running WinXP SP2 will NOT be offered any further critical
    security updates, Automatic Updates will not work, and Windows Update
    website will not be accessible until SP3 is installed.

    Trying to install TurboTax or other Intuit Tax Prep software? See...

    Aaron Stebner's WebLog: TurboTax 2009 can fail to install because it thinks
    the .NET Framework is not installed, even when it is
    http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/archive/2010/01/26/9953883.aspx
    --
    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

    Farhan wrote:
    > does .net framework included in win xp sp2?
     
  4. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    C wrote:
    > Farhan wrote:
    >> does .net framework included in win xp sp2?

    >
    > I have SP3 and no .NET *anything* is installed on that computer. So the
    > answer is no.


    Really? What do you find in C:/WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework <=this
    folder?
     
  5. C

    C Flightless Bird

    PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    > C wrote:
    >> Farhan wrote:
    >>> does .net framework included in win xp sp2?

    >>
    >> I have SP3 and no .NET *anything* is installed on that computer. So the
    >> answer is no.

    >
    > Really? What do you find in C:/WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework <=this
    > folder?


    I don't have a directory called Microsoft.NET under C:/WINDOWS

    --
    C
     
  6. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    C wrote:
    >>>> does .net framework included in win xp sp2?
    >>>
    >>> I have SP3 and no .NET *anything* is installed on that computer. So the
    >>> answer is no.

    >>
    >> Really? What do you find in C:/WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework <=this
    >> folder?

    >
    > I don't have a directory called Microsoft.NET under C:/WINDOWS


    Enable 'Show Hidden Files and Folders' then look again:
    http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial62.html
     
  7. C

    C Flightless Bird

    PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    > C wrote:
    >>>>> does .net framework included in win xp sp2?
    >>>>
    >>>> I have SP3 and no .NET *anything* is installed on that computer. So the
    >>>> answer is no.
    >>>
    >>> Really? What do you find in C:/WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework <=this
    >>> folder?

    >>
    >> I don't have a directory called Microsoft.NET under C:/WINDOWS

    >
    > Enable 'Show Hidden Files and Folders' then look again:
    > http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial62.html


    Show hidden files and folders was already enabled. I do have a
    microsoft.net folder under Program Files with a folder called Primary
    Interop Assemblies with two .DLL files in it but nothing under C:/WINDOWS

    --
    C
     
  8. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    C wrote:
    >>>>>> does .net framework included in win xp sp2?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have SP3 and no .NET *anything* is installed on that computer. So
    >>>>> the
    >>>>> answer is no.
    >>>>
    >>>> Really? What do you find in C:/WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework <=this
    >>>> folder?
    >>>
    >>> I don't have a directory called Microsoft.NET under C:/WINDOWS

    >>
    >> Enable 'Show Hidden Files and Folders' then look again:
    >> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial62.html

    >
    > Show hidden files and folders was already enabled. I do have a
    > microsoft.net folder under Program Files with a folder called Primary
    > Interop Assemblies with two .DLL files in it but nothing under C:/WINDOWS


    Open a Windows Explorer Search window [WinKey+F] | In the topmost search
    box, enter "v1.0.3705" (without the quotes) then click on Search Now button:
    Is a folder named "v1.0.3705" listed in the results?

    OT: Why isn't SP3 installed by now? Extended Support for WinXP SP2 ends on
    10 July 2010. After that date, computers running WinXP SP2 will NOT be
    offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will not
    work, and Windows Update website will not be accessible until SP3 is
    installed.
     
  9. C

    C Flightless Bird

    PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    >
    > C wrote:
    >>>>>>> does .net framework included in win xp sp2?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I have SP3 and no .NET *anything* is installed on that computer.
    >>>>>> So the
    >>>>>> answer is no.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Really? What do you find in C:/WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework <=this
    >>>>> folder?
    >>>>
    >>>> I don't have a directory called Microsoft.NET under C:/WINDOWS
    >>>
    >>> Enable 'Show Hidden Files and Folders' then look again:
    >>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial62.html

    >>
    >> Show hidden files and folders was already enabled. I do have a
    >> microsoft.net folder under Program Files with a folder called Primary
    >> Interop Assemblies with two .DLL files in it but nothing under C:/WINDOWS

    >
    > Open a Windows Explorer Search window [WinKey+F] | In the topmost search
    > box, enter "v1.0.3705" (without the quotes) then click on Search Now
    > button: Is a folder named "v1.0.3705" listed in the results?


    No.

    > OT: Why isn't SP3 installed by now?


    It is.

    > Extended Support for WinXP SP2 ends
    > on 10 July 2010. After that date, computers running WinXP SP2 will NOT
    > be offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will
    > not work, and Windows Update website will not be accessible until SP3 is
    > installed.


    I know ;-)

    --
    C
     
  10. mm

    mm Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:39:54 +0100, C <nospamming@please.com.invalid>
    wrote:

    >
    >
    >> OT: Why isn't SP3 installed by now?

    >
    >It is.
    >
    >> Extended Support for WinXP SP2 ends
    >> on 10 July 2010. After that date, computers running WinXP SP2 will NOT
    >> be offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will
    >> not work, and Windows Update website will not be accessible until SP3 is
    >> installed.

    >
    >I know ;-)
    >
    >--
    >C


    His last two questions should have gone to the OP. OP?
     
  11. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    C wrote:
    >>>>>>>> does .net framework included in win xp sp2?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I have SP3 and no .NET *anything* is installed on that computer.
    >>>>>>> So the
    >>>>>>> answer is no.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Really? What do you find in C:/WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework
    >>>>>> <=this
    >>>>>> folder?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I don't have a directory called Microsoft.NET under C:/WINDOWS
    >>>>
    >>>> Enable 'Show Hidden Files and Folders' then look again:
    >>>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial62.html
    >>>
    >>> Show hidden files and folders was already enabled. I do have a
    >>> microsoft.net folder under Program Files with a folder called Primary
    >>> Interop Assemblies with two .DLL files in it but nothing under
    >>> C:/WINDOWS

    >>
    >> Open a Windows Explorer Search window [WinKey+F] | In the topmost search
    >> box, enter "v1.0.3705" (without the quotes) then click on Search Now
    >> button: Is a folder named "v1.0.3705" listed in the results?

    >
    > No...


    Your WinXP box wouldn't work if you didn't have .NET Framework 1.0
    installed.
     
  12. C

    C Flightless Bird

    PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    >
    > C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> does .net framework included in win xp sp2?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I have SP3 and no .NET *anything* is installed on that computer.
    >>>>>>>> So the
    >>>>>>>> answer is no.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Really? What do you find in C:/WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework
    >>>>>>> <=this
    >>>>>>> folder?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I don't have a directory called Microsoft.NET under C:/WINDOWS
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Enable 'Show Hidden Files and Folders' then look again:
    >>>>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial62.html
    >>>>
    >>>> Show hidden files and folders was already enabled. I do have a
    >>>> microsoft.net folder under Program Files with a folder called Primary
    >>>> Interop Assemblies with two .DLL files in it but nothing under
    >>>> C:/WINDOWS
    >>>
    >>> Open a Windows Explorer Search window [WinKey+F] | In the topmost search
    >>> box, enter "v1.0.3705" (without the quotes) then click on Search Now
    >>> button: Is a folder named "v1.0.3705" listed in the results?

    >>
    >> No...

    >
    > Your WinXP box wouldn't work if you didn't have .NET Framework 1.0
    > installed.


    Weird because it's been working great since I installed it some six
    months ago. It's XP Pro if that helps.

    --
    C
     
  13. Incognitus

    Incognitus Flightless Bird

    "C" <nospamming@please.com.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hkkukb$a5u$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    >>
    >> C wrote:
    >>>>>>> I have SP3 and no .NET *anything* is installed on that computer.


    Neither do I.

    >>>>>>> So the
    >>>>>>> answer is no.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Really? What do you find in C:/WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework
    >>>>>> <=this
    >>>>>> folder?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I don't have a directory called Microsoft.NET under C:/WINDOWS


    Neither do I.

    >>>>
    >>>> Enable 'Show Hidden Files and Folders' then look again:
    >>>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial62.html
    >>>
    >>> Show hidden files and folders was already enabled. I do have a
    >>> microsoft.net folder under Program Files with a folder called Primary
    >>> Interop Assemblies with two .DLL files in it but nothing under
    >>> C:/WINDOWS


    I don't have a microsoft.net folder anywhere.

    >>
    >> Open a Windows Explorer Search window [WinKey+F] | In the topmost search
    >> box, enter "v1.0.3705" (without the quotes) then click on Search Now
    >> button: Is a folder named "v1.0.3705" listed in the results?

    >
    > No.


    Neither do I.

    ..NET in any form is missing here as evident by the absence of "NET
    Framework" in the registry.


    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\NET Framework Setup\NDP\v<version>]

    DWord Value Name and Value Data

    SP = <ServiceLevel


    >> OT: Why isn't SP3 installed by now?

    >
    > It is.
    >
    >> Extended Support for WinXP SP2 ends on 10 July 2010. After that date,
    >> computers running WinXP SP2 will NOT be offered any further critical
    >> security updates, Automatic Updates will not work, and Windows Update
    >> website will not be accessible until SP3 is installed.

    >
    > I know ;-)
     
  14. Incognitus

    Incognitus Flightless Bird

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:ejPEVs7pKHA.3748@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> does .net framework included in win xp sp2?


    C didn't write that, Farhan did.

    >>>>>>>> I have SP3 and no .NET *anything* is installed on that computer.
    >>>>>>>> So the
    >>>>>>>> answer is no.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Really? What do you find in C:/WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework
    >>>>>>> <=this
    >>>>>>> folder?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I don't have a directory called Microsoft.NET under C:/WINDOWS
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Enable 'Show Hidden Files and Folders' then look again:
    >>>>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial62.html
    >>>>
    >>>> Show hidden files and folders was already enabled. I do have a
    >>>> microsoft.net folder under Program Files with a folder called Primary
    >>>> Interop Assemblies with two .DLL files in it but nothing under
    >>>> C:/WINDOWS
    >>>
    >>> Open a Windows Explorer Search window [WinKey+F] | In the topmost search
    >>> box, enter "v1.0.3705" (without the quotes) then click on Search Now
    >>> button: Is a folder named "v1.0.3705" listed in the results?

    >>
    >> No...

    >
    > Your WinXP box wouldn't work if you didn't have .NET Framework 1.0
    > installed.


    Mine seems to work just fine apparently without any .NET Framework of any
    version.
     
  15. mm

    mm Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:01:10 -0500, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
    <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:

    >
    >C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> does .net framework included in win xp sp2?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I have SP3 and no .NET *anything* is installed on that computer.
    >>>>>>>> So the
    >>>>>>>> answer is no.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Really? What do you find in C:/WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework
    >>>>>>> <=this
    >>>>>>> folder?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I don't have a directory called Microsoft.NET under C:/WINDOWS
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Enable 'Show Hidden Files and Folders' then look again:
    >>>>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial62.html
    >>>>
    >>>> Show hidden files and folders was already enabled. I do have a
    >>>> microsoft.net folder under Program Files with a folder called Primary
    >>>> Interop Assemblies with two .DLL files in it but nothing under
    >>>> C:/WINDOWS
    >>>
    >>> Open a Windows Explorer Search window [WinKey+F] | In the topmost search
    >>> box, enter "v1.0.3705" (without the quotes) then click on Search Now
    >>> button: Is a folder named "v1.0.3705" listed in the results?

    >>
    >> No...

    >
    >Your WinXP box wouldn't work if you didn't have .NET Framework 1.0
    >installed.


    Well, I had XP SP3 and it was working fine, then after 3 weeks it
    wasnt' working fine and I had to uncheck Shell and UPS services.

    It was working fine then and I don't know if I had anything with .net
    in it. but after I installed a used but newer (ATI 7000, with real
    3D) video card, then it insisted I install .net Framework. It didn't
    say upgrade, and it took a relatively long time, so I don't think I
    had it before. Without it I could still get some resolutions on my
    monitor, but either I coudlnt't get all or I couldn't run the ATI
    software that does other things to the monitor output.

    Maybe computers that come with later model video cards won't work
    without .net framework.
     
  16. C

    C Flightless Bird

    mm wrote:
    > On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:01:10 -0500, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
    > <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >> C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> does .net framework included in win xp sp2?
    >>>>>>>>> I have SP3 and no .NET *anything* is installed on that computer.
    >>>>>>>>> So the
    >>>>>>>>> answer is no.
    >>>>>>>> Really? What do you find in C:/WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework
    >>>>>>>> <=this
    >>>>>>>> folder?
    >>>>>>> I don't have a directory called Microsoft.NET under C:/WINDOWS
    >>>>>> Enable 'Show Hidden Files and Folders' then look again:
    >>>>>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial62.html
    >>>>> Show hidden files and folders was already enabled. I do have a
    >>>>> microsoft.net folder under Program Files with a folder called Primary
    >>>>> Interop Assemblies with two .DLL files in it but nothing under
    >>>>> C:/WINDOWS
    >>>> Open a Windows Explorer Search window [WinKey+F] | In the topmost search
    >>>> box, enter "v1.0.3705" (without the quotes) then click on Search Now
    >>>> button: Is a folder named "v1.0.3705" listed in the results?
    >>> No...

    >> Your WinXP box wouldn't work if you didn't have .NET Framework 1.0
    >> installed.

    >
    > Well, I had XP SP3 and it was working fine, then after 3 weeks it
    > wasnt' working fine and I had to uncheck Shell and UPS services.
    >
    > It was working fine then and I don't know if I had anything with .net
    > in it. but after I installed a used but newer (ATI 7000, with real
    > 3D) video card, then it insisted I install .net Framework. It didn't
    > say upgrade, and it took a relatively long time, so I don't think I
    > had it before. Without it I could still get some resolutions on my
    > monitor, but either I coudlnt't get all or I couldn't run the ATI
    > software that does other things to the monitor output.
    >
    > Maybe computers that come with later model video cards won't work
    > without .net framework.


    nVidia cards do. ATI has used .NET for ages. I don't use ATI.

    --
    C
     
  17. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    mm wrote:

    > Well, I had XP SP3 and it was working fine, then after 3 weeks it
    > wasnt' working fine and I had to uncheck Shell and UPS services.
    >
    > It was working fine then and I don't know if I had anything with .net
    > in it. but after I installed a used but newer (ATI 7000, with real
    > 3D) video card, then it insisted I install .net Framework. It didn't
    > say upgrade, and it took a relatively long time, so I don't think I
    > had it before. Without it I could still get some resolutions on my
    > monitor, but either I coudlnt't get all or I couldn't run the ATI
    > software that does other things to the monitor output.
    >
    > Maybe computers that come with later model video cards won't work
    > without .net framework.


    You could have avoided that, if you wished.

    ATI splits their install into "driver" and "control panel". The
    control panel software needs .NET 2.0 . If you don't attempt
    to install the control panel, but just install the driver, then
    you don't need to install .NET 2.0.

    ATI offers downloads in either a combined driver+control_panel package,
    or you can download just the driver or just the control panel.

    I'm currently running my computer, without the ATI CCC control panel,
    and just have the driver installed. It means I cannot access advanced
    features via CCC, but I can play 3D games just fine.

    Paul
     
  18. mm

    mm Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:54:07 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.com> wrote:

    >mm wrote:
    >
    >> Well, I had XP SP3 and it was working fine, then after 3 weeks it
    >> wasnt' working fine and I had to uncheck Shell and UPS services.
    >>
    >> It was working fine then and I don't know if I had anything with .net
    >> in it. but after I installed a used but newer (ATI 7000, with real
    >> 3D) video card, then it insisted I install .net Framework. It didn't
    >> say upgrade, and it took a relatively long time, so I don't think I
    >> had it before. Without it I could still get some resolutions on my
    >> monitor, but either I coudlnt't get all or I couldn't run the ATI
    >> software that does other things to the monitor output.
    >>
    >> Maybe computers that come with later model video cards won't work
    >> without .net framework.

    >
    >You could have avoided that, if you wished.
    >
    >ATI splits their install into "driver" and "control panel". The
    >control panel software needs .NET 2.0 . If you don't attempt
    >to install the control panel, but just install the driver, then
    >you don't need to install .NET 2.0.
    >
    >ATI offers downloads in either a combined driver+control_panel package,
    >or you can download just the driver or just the control panel.


    I sort of thought that was the case. I especially thought about it
    when the install was running. grin. I took comfort in the fact that
    it was free, so I got something free! Whoopee.

    >I'm currently running my computer, without the ATI CCC control panel,
    >and just have the driver installed. It means I cannot access advanced
    >features via CCC, but I can play 3D games just fine.


    I first wanted a newer card to use Google Earth, but just Thursday I
    started using it to output to my TVs too.

    Do you think I could have done that without the ati control panel?
    Serious question.

    When I first plugged the tv in, the picture was blank and I had to go
    into the control panel and set TV Output On. I"m guessing that means
    I needed the control panel, but maybe not.

    > Paul
     
  19. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    mm wrote:
    > On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:54:07 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.com> wrote:
    >
    >> mm wrote:
    >>
    >>> Well, I had XP SP3 and it was working fine, then after 3 weeks it
    >>> wasnt' working fine and I had to uncheck Shell and UPS services.
    >>>
    >>> It was working fine then and I don't know if I had anything with .net
    >>> in it. but after I installed a used but newer (ATI 7000, with real
    >>> 3D) video card, then it insisted I install .net Framework. It didn't
    >>> say upgrade, and it took a relatively long time, so I don't think I
    >>> had it before. Without it I could still get some resolutions on my
    >>> monitor, but either I coudlnt't get all or I couldn't run the ATI
    >>> software that does other things to the monitor output.
    >>>
    >>> Maybe computers that come with later model video cards won't work
    >>> without .net framework.

    >> You could have avoided that, if you wished.
    >>
    >> ATI splits their install into "driver" and "control panel". The
    >> control panel software needs .NET 2.0 . If you don't attempt
    >> to install the control panel, but just install the driver, then
    >> you don't need to install .NET 2.0.
    >>
    >> ATI offers downloads in either a combined driver+control_panel package,
    >> or you can download just the driver or just the control panel.

    >
    > I sort of thought that was the case. I especially thought about it
    > when the install was running. grin. I took comfort in the fact that
    > it was free, so I got something free! Whoopee.
    >
    >> I'm currently running my computer, without the ATI CCC control panel,
    >> and just have the driver installed. It means I cannot access advanced
    >> features via CCC, but I can play 3D games just fine.

    >
    > I first wanted a newer card to use Google Earth, but just Thursday I
    > started using it to output to my TVs too.
    >
    > Do you think I could have done that without the ati control panel?
    > Serious question.
    >
    > When I first plugged the tv in, the picture was blank and I had to go
    > into the control panel and set TV Output On. I"m guessing that means
    > I needed the control panel, but maybe not.
    >
    >> Paul

    >


    For anything non-trivial, you should have the control panel installed.

    And that would include doing things like setting up multiple monitors.
    I just change OSes, as my Win2K boot disk has CCC installed and
    I can test multiple monitor configurations there if I need to.

    One reason for not using CCC, is it wastes RAM when it loads. That
    is my philosophical objection to using it. Software which is not
    being used, should not burn up RAM for nothing. My attitude might have
    been different, if a lightweight process sat there waiting for me
    to click the CCC icon, and then loaded the software at that
    point in time. That would mean most of the time, I'd get to keep
    my RAM for more useful things.

    I only own one good monitor, and the TV output on my video card
    sucks so bad, I have no wish to use that again. So at least while
    I'm running WinXP, the single monitor and no CCC works out fine.

    (Why do I run Win2K ? That is my "dirty" OS, where I test cruft, like
    200MB commercial software packages. I try to keep WinXP a little cleaner,
    by not installing the junk I use on the Win2K partition. If the Win2K
    partition falls over, there isn't much to lose.)

    Paul
     
  20. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:41:43 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.com> wrote:


    > One reason for not using CCC, is it wastes RAM when it loads. That
    > is my philosophical objection to using it. Software which is not
    > being used, should not burn up RAM for nothing.



    I don't know anything about CCC (not even what it is), but the
    statement "Software which is not being used, should not burn up RAM
    for nothing" is generally incorrect.

    Yes, a program which is started uses RAM, but if other programs need
    RAM, and the program in question is not used, the memory that it uses
    very quickly gets paged out and has no impact on performance at all.
    What gets paged out is the least-recently-used memory.

    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     

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