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Need a new boot manager - fixed usenet reply

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Splork, Jun 19, 2010.

  1. Splork

    Splork Flightless Bird

    Hi,

    I am building a new system. Will use XP and eventually install
    Win7 on another partition.

    I like keeping things separate. Previously used FAT32 and
    System Commander. System Commander requires a fat partition.

    If I create a fat partition, above or below the target
    partition, XP installs it's boot files there and labels it
    drive C: D: gets the windows install.

    Leaving all the unused space on the drive
    unpartitioned/unformatted I get XP properly installed on the
    Second partition area. System Commander will not function
    though. I suppose I could try adding the fat partition after
    the OS install, but that gets cumbersome when it comes time to
    install Win7. Deleting the dos partition to install Win7 makes
    the boot manager fail. Would be lots of creating and deleting
    that partition if it succeeds at all.

    Is there a boot manager that you folks know about that will
    allow me to have the booted OS show up as drive C:

    Win 98 and WinXP coexisted well and behaved under system
    commander. Can I get this functionality back for NTFS OSs

    Suggestions welcome
     
  2. Trimble Bracegirdle

    Trimble Bracegirdle Flightless Bird

    Its best to have different O/S's on different Physical drives
    then switch between them by selecting in the Motherboard BIOS the disk
    to boot first.

    You will have to find a new Boot Manager but bear in mind that Windows 7
    own boot manager can competently cope with Multi-boot
    with other older O/S's.

    Install the newest system first then older onto that.
    All versions of Windows ever, require use of the first part of a HD
    Boot Sector (shared or not) to start.

    Do you really need FAT32 ???? convert to NFTS if possible.
    Remember FAT32 can not do files larger than 4 GB & cannot
    manage large modern disc capacities over 32GB with out problems.
    (\__/)
    (='.':]
    (")_(") mouse (He Makes His Own Newsgroups....Wow !!!)
     
  3. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    On 6/19/2010 5:32 PM, Splork wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > I am building a new system. Will use XP and eventually install
    > Win7 on another partition.
    >
    > I like keeping things separate. Previously used FAT32 and
    > System Commander. System Commander requires a fat partition.
    >
    > If I create a fat partition, above or below the target
    > partition, XP installs it's boot files there and labels it
    > drive C: D: gets the windows install.
    >
    > Leaving all the unused space on the drive
    > unpartitioned/unformatted I get XP properly installed on the
    > Second partition area. System Commander will not function
    > though. I suppose I could try adding the fat partition after
    > the OS install, but that gets cumbersome when it comes time to
    > install Win7. Deleting the dos partition to install Win7 makes
    > the boot manager fail. Would be lots of creating and deleting
    > that partition if it succeeds at all.
    >
    > Is there a boot manager that you folks know about that will
    > allow me to have the booted OS show up as drive C:
    >
    > Win 98 and WinXP coexisted well and behaved under system
    > commander. Can I get this functionality back for NTFS OSs
    >
    > Suggestions welcome
    >
    >

    Always install the oldest OS first, which in your case would be XP. Then
    install Windows 7 and it's boot loader, BCD, will handle everything,
    giving you a choice at boot up as to which OS you want to boot.
    Forget about using FAT as it is old and not as near as secure as NTFS.
     
  4. Splork

    Splork Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 01:45:10 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
    <no-spam@never.spam> wrote:

    >Its best to have different O/S's on different Physical drives
    >then switch between them by selecting in the Motherboard BIOS the disk
    >to boot first.
    >
    >You will have to find a new Boot Manager but bear in mind that Windows 7
    >own boot manager can competently cope with Multi-boot
    >with other older O/S's.
    >
    >Install the newest system first then older onto that.
    >All versions of Windows ever, require use of the first part of a HD
    >Boot Sector (shared or not) to start.
    >
    >Do you really need FAT32 ???? convert to NFTS if possible.
    >Remember FAT32 can not do files larger than 4 GB & cannot
    >manage large modern disc capacities over 32GB with out problems.
    >(\__/)
    >(='.':]
    >(")_(") mouse (He Makes His Own Newsgroups....Wow !!!)


    Thanks for your reply

    Not using fat32. Otherwise I would be able to do what I wish.
    Had very large FAT32 partitions though. Not limited to 32GB.

    Have one very fast drive for OSs. Will only use 2 OSs but both
    must reside on that drive. Which ever OS I boot, I would like
    it to show up as C:

    Will install XP on back of the drive so Win7 (future) can
    occupy the first part of the drive.

    My old boot manager took control of the boot sector in
    conjunction with some files in a fat partition. Worked great.

    I do not currently have Win7.

    Still need a NTFS boot manager
     
  5. Splork

    Splork Flightless Bird

    On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:56:24 -0700, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:

    >On 6/19/2010 5:32 PM, Splork wrote:
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> I am building a new system. Will use XP and eventually install
    >> Win7 on another partition.
    >>
    >> I like keeping things separate. Previously used FAT32 and
    >> System Commander. System Commander requires a fat partition.
    >>
    >> If I create a fat partition, above or below the target
    >> partition, XP installs it's boot files there and labels it
    >> drive C: D: gets the windows install.
    >>
    >> Leaving all the unused space on the drive
    >> unpartitioned/unformatted I get XP properly installed on the
    >> Second partition area. System Commander will not function
    >> though. I suppose I could try adding the fat partition after
    >> the OS install, but that gets cumbersome when it comes time to
    >> install Win7. Deleting the dos partition to install Win7 makes
    >> the boot manager fail. Would be lots of creating and deleting
    >> that partition if it succeeds at all.
    >>
    >> Is there a boot manager that you folks know about that will
    >> allow me to have the booted OS show up as drive C:
    >>
    >> Win 98 and WinXP coexisted well and behaved under system
    >> commander. Can I get this functionality back for NTFS OSs
    >>
    >> Suggestions welcome
    >>
    >>

    >Always install the oldest OS first, which in your case would be XP. Then
    >install Windows 7 and it's boot loader, BCD, will handle everything,
    >giving you a choice at boot up as to which OS you want to boot.
    >Forget about using FAT as it is old and not as near as secure as NTFS.


    Thanks

    So win7 has a good boot manager??

    Will it allow me to install Win7 into an unused space that will
    be a separate partition from the XP Partition?? Independent??

    Will the booted OS be C:/ ??

    I am a bit new to Win7/Vista so I do not know how they do
    things. Win98 and XP behaved well but XP was definitely more
    "bossy"
     
  6. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    On 6/19/2010 6:10 PM, Splork wrote:
    > On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:56:24 -0700, Frank<fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
    >
    >> On 6/19/2010 5:32 PM, Splork wrote:
    >>> Hi,
    >>>
    >>> I am building a new system. Will use XP and eventually install
    >>> Win7 on another partition.
    >>>
    >>> I like keeping things separate. Previously used FAT32 and
    >>> System Commander. System Commander requires a fat partition.
    >>>
    >>> If I create a fat partition, above or below the target
    >>> partition, XP installs it's boot files there and labels it
    >>> drive C: D: gets the windows install.
    >>>
    >>> Leaving all the unused space on the drive
    >>> unpartitioned/unformatted I get XP properly installed on the
    >>> Second partition area. System Commander will not function
    >>> though. I suppose I could try adding the fat partition after
    >>> the OS install, but that gets cumbersome when it comes time to
    >>> install Win7. Deleting the dos partition to install Win7 makes
    >>> the boot manager fail. Would be lots of creating and deleting
    >>> that partition if it succeeds at all.
    >>>
    >>> Is there a boot manager that you folks know about that will
    >>> allow me to have the booted OS show up as drive C:
    >>>
    >>> Win 98 and WinXP coexisted well and behaved under system
    >>> commander. Can I get this functionality back for NTFS OSs
    >>>
    >>> Suggestions welcome
    >>>
    >>>

    >> Always install the oldest OS first, which in your case would be XP. Then
    >> install Windows 7 and it's boot loader, BCD, will handle everything,
    >> giving you a choice at boot up as to which OS you want to boot.
    >> Forget about using FAT as it is old and not as near as secure as NTFS.

    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > So win7 has a good boot manager??
    >
    > Will it allow me to install Win7 into an unused space that will
    > be a separate partition from the XP Partition?? Independent??
    >
    > Will the booted OS be C:/ ??
    >
    > I am a bit new to Win7/Vista so I do not know how they do
    > things. Win98 and XP behaved well but XP was definitely more
    > "bossy"


    Yes to all.
     
  7. none

    none Flightless Bird

    "Splork" <splork@splork.net> wrote in message
    news:hjqq16l4jlcdlemr956g8bt0bv4s5e0rnn@4ax.com...
    > On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:56:24 -0700, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
    > So win7 has a good boot manager??
    >
    > Will it allow me to install Win7 into an unused space that will
    > be a separate partition from the XP Partition?? Independent??
    >
    > Will the booted OS be C:/ ??
    >
    > I am a bit new to Win7/Vista so I do not know how they do
    > things. Win98 and XP behaved well but XP was definitely more
    > "bossy"
    >


    I have a multiboot system (W98,W2K,XP,W7,Linux) and choose to use W7's
    bootloader and BCD. W7's loader is ok but will *NOT* assign whatever OS is
    booted to drive 'C', and to the best of my knowledge CANNOT perform that
    task! Thus if W7 is loaded on drive 'C' it will ALWAYS be drive 'C'.

    So if I followed your trend of thought, you NEED to look for a System
    Commander replacement (and I'd be curious to know what it would be).
     
  8. Gary Richtmeyer

    Gary Richtmeyer Flightless Bird

    On 6/20/2010 6:58 AM, none wrote:
    > "Splork"<splork@splork.net> wrote in message
    > news:hjqq16l4jlcdlemr956g8bt0bv4s5e0rnn@4ax.com...
    >> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:56:24 -0700, Frank<fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
    >> So win7 has a good boot manager??
    >>
    >> Will it allow me to install Win7 into an unused space that will
    >> be a separate partition from the XP Partition?? Independent??
    >>
    >> Will the booted OS be C:/ ??
    >>
    >> I am a bit new to Win7/Vista so I do not know how they do
    >> things. Win98 and XP behaved well but XP was definitely more
    >> "bossy"
    >>

    >
    > I have a multiboot system (W98,W2K,XP,W7,Linux) and choose to use W7's
    > bootloader and BCD. W7's loader is ok but will *NOT* assign whatever OS is
    > booted to drive 'C', and to the best of my knowledge CANNOT perform that
    > task! Thus if W7 is loaded on drive 'C' it will ALWAYS be drive 'C'.
    >
    > So if I followed your trend of thought, you NEED to look for a System
    > Commander replacement (and I'd be curious to know what it would be).


    Take a look at Acronis Disk Director (ADD) - a new release was made
    available a few weeks ago.

    My laptop is setup for multi-boot with a single HD partitioned into 3
    primary partitions for OSes (Win XP Pro, Vista Ultimate 32-bit and Win 7
    Ultimate 64-bit), and 1 extended partition for data available to all
    OSes. When an OS is booted, it's system disk is always C: and the data
    disk is always D:. The other OS disks are E and F which allows
    cross-system work if necessary.

    I chose ADD as it removes any dependence on installing the oldest OS
    first, then the 2nd oldest, etc. Each install stands on its own and
    makes my life easier!

    Gary Richtmeyer
     

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