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Jose
Flightless Bird
On Feb 28, 1:42 pm, "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nosp...@Verizon.Net>
wrote:
> From: "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com>
>
> < snip >
>
> | I too have been a long-time Avira fan (also an Avast fan), but am now
> | testing MSE on some systems because of Avira's recurrent problem
> | connecting for updates, and because of the excellent reviews of MSE I am
> | seeing, not only in the web pages above, but from trusted colleagues who
> | are handlers in respected malware removal forums.
>
> | YMMV!
>
> You said "testing MSE on some systems".
>
> OK you are deliberately going to malicious URLs ?
>
> You are deliberately trying infect the PC and if infected trying to remove malware
> infections using MSE ?
>
> --
> Davehttp/www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> Multi-AV -http/www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
I do that (deliberately try to infect PCs) frequently.
If I help somebody remove an infection, I would like to know how they
got it so I can hopefully get it too.
When I find something to do that causes a problem, I will see which
protection methods prevent (or warn) about the problem, then I will do
my best to get the infection and see what methods are best to resolve
it - and which ones will miss it or not be able to fix it.
This helps me decide which tools are best to prevent the infection in
the first place, detect it and treat it afterwards.
Microsoft is not in the malicious software detection and removal
business and (IMHO and experience) their products only care about the
files that, in their humble opinion, are important to Windows (3498 at
my last count). But, they HAD to some out with something or the world
would probably be screaming. Some folks have 100% faith and
reliability with anything that says Microsoft on it and think MS has
the answer to everything.
Other companies are in the prevention and removal business - that is
all they do, so it makes sense to me to stick with products where that
is the company specialty.
Sometimes the simplest things out of the ordinary are not even
acknowledged by MS products and will at least generate some kind of
warning with other products like the - hey this doesn't look right and
what do you want to do about it kind of things. They might not always
be malicious, but sometimes curious and at least they get flagged
somehow.
Plus this whole malicious terminology I overuse, but it is generic and
nondescript enough to fit all situations. The bad software you get on
your computer is hardly as malicious as it could be if the authors had
a mind to be, it is all (so far) merely an annoying and temporary
inconvenience.
The people that write the bad code - they know all about the detection
and removal tools and when they know that, they will write their funny
code to do things you can't figure out. Break Task Manager, the
command prompt, regedit, System Restore, Explorer, Safe Mode, Userinit
- it is just a game for them. "I will not really do anything bad to
your system but I will fix it so you can't log in anymore - that's
easy!"
Then someone that is not smart enough to outsmart the software and
unable to figure out the problem will tell you that you have to
reinstall Windows...
wrote:
> From: "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com>
>
> < snip >
>
> | I too have been a long-time Avira fan (also an Avast fan), but am now
> | testing MSE on some systems because of Avira's recurrent problem
> | connecting for updates, and because of the excellent reviews of MSE I am
> | seeing, not only in the web pages above, but from trusted colleagues who
> | are handlers in respected malware removal forums.
>
> | YMMV!
>
> You said "testing MSE on some systems".
>
> OK you are deliberately going to malicious URLs ?
>
> You are deliberately trying infect the PC and if infected trying to remove malware
> infections using MSE ?
>
> --
> Davehttp/www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> Multi-AV -http/www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
I do that (deliberately try to infect PCs) frequently.
If I help somebody remove an infection, I would like to know how they
got it so I can hopefully get it too.
When I find something to do that causes a problem, I will see which
protection methods prevent (or warn) about the problem, then I will do
my best to get the infection and see what methods are best to resolve
it - and which ones will miss it or not be able to fix it.
This helps me decide which tools are best to prevent the infection in
the first place, detect it and treat it afterwards.
Microsoft is not in the malicious software detection and removal
business and (IMHO and experience) their products only care about the
files that, in their humble opinion, are important to Windows (3498 at
my last count). But, they HAD to some out with something or the world
would probably be screaming. Some folks have 100% faith and
reliability with anything that says Microsoft on it and think MS has
the answer to everything.
Other companies are in the prevention and removal business - that is
all they do, so it makes sense to me to stick with products where that
is the company specialty.
Sometimes the simplest things out of the ordinary are not even
acknowledged by MS products and will at least generate some kind of
warning with other products like the - hey this doesn't look right and
what do you want to do about it kind of things. They might not always
be malicious, but sometimes curious and at least they get flagged
somehow.
Plus this whole malicious terminology I overuse, but it is generic and
nondescript enough to fit all situations. The bad software you get on
your computer is hardly as malicious as it could be if the authors had
a mind to be, it is all (so far) merely an annoying and temporary
inconvenience.
The people that write the bad code - they know all about the detection
and removal tools and when they know that, they will write their funny
code to do things you can't figure out. Break Task Manager, the
command prompt, regedit, System Restore, Explorer, Safe Mode, Userinit
- it is just a game for them. "I will not really do anything bad to
your system but I will fix it so you can't log in anymore - that's
easy!"
Then someone that is not smart enough to outsmart the software and
unable to figure out the problem will tell you that you have to
reinstall Windows...