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MSE slow?

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Teflon, Feb 27, 2010.

  1. Teflon

    Teflon Flightless Bird

    XP Pro SP3 -

    Was using Avira Free, decided to give MSFT's free AV a try. Turned
    off Avira's on demand feature, downloaded and installed MSE. It took
    a long time ( 2+ hours) to install and then download the definitions.
    Took 9 hours to complete the first full scan - 40GB internal HD (< 50%
    full) and 160 GB external HDD (< 40% full).

    Is this SOP for MSE?

    I thought MSE auto-updated the definitions, but no change in
    definition version date since install, 7 days ago. Can not find a
    switch to turn auto-update on (or off). Did I misunderstand?

    Machine's operations are definitly slower with MSE versus Avira. Is
    this normal?

    Is there an MSE-specific forum/newsgroup?
     
  2. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    Uninstall Avira, don't just disable it. If you decide to switch back,
    reinstall it fater you remove MSE.

    From where did you download MSE exactly? It should only take that long
    to download, install and update if you were on dial-up. This is where
    you get the download:
    http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/

    Hers's the forum....be sure to read the Stickies.

    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse

    Some info on updating and settings:

    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/msescan/thread/51798baf-009e-4bcd-b1be-a7b9c5d1e120

    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/msescan/thread/51418aff-7682-41d4-9821-a75cc9fe51fa

    --
    Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    A+
    http://dts-l.net/


    "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:c27edc0f-302b-457b-b078-99e36f72e7d2@b9g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
    > XP Pro SP3 -
    >
    > Was using Avira Free, decided to give MSFT's free AV a try. Turned
    > off Avira's on demand feature, downloaded and installed MSE. It took
    > a long time ( 2+ hours) to install and then download the definitions.
    > Took 9 hours to complete the first full scan - 40GB internal HD (< 50%
    > full) and 160 GB external HDD (< 40% full).
    >
    > Is this SOP for MSE?
    >
    > I thought MSE auto-updated the definitions, but no change in
    > definition version date since install, 7 days ago. Can not find a
    > switch to turn auto-update on (or off). Did I misunderstand?
    >
    > Machine's operations are definitly slower with MSE versus Avira. Is
    > this normal?
    >
    > Is there an MSE-specific forum/newsgroup?
    >
    >
    >
     
  3. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    You must uninstall your current AV app & reboot prior to installing MSE.

    The MSE Support page points you to the folllowing forums for assistance:

    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse
    --
    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

    Teflon wrote:
    > XP Pro SP3 -
    >
    > Was using Avira Free, decided to give MSFT's free AV a try. Turned
    > off Avira's on demand feature, downloaded and installed MSE. It took
    > a long time ( 2+ hours) to install and then download the definitions.
    > Took 9 hours to complete the first full scan - 40GB internal HD (< 50%
    > full) and 160 GB external HDD (< 40% full).
    >
    > Is this SOP for MSE?
    >
    > I thought MSE auto-updated the definitions, but no change in
    > definition version date since install, 7 days ago. Can not find a
    > switch to turn auto-update on (or off). Did I misunderstand?
    >
    > Machine's operations are definitly slower with MSE versus Avira. Is
    > this normal?
    >
    > Is there an MSE-specific forum/newsgroup?
     
  4. David H. Lipman

    David H. Lipman Flightless Bird

    From: "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com>

    | XP Pro SP3 -

    | Was using Avira Free, decided to give MSFT's free AV a try. Turned
    | off Avira's on demand feature, downloaded and installed MSE. It took
    | a long time ( 2+ hours) to install and then download the definitions.
    | Took 9 hours to complete the first full scan - 40GB internal HD (< 50%
    | full) and 160 GB external HDD (< 40% full).

    | Is this SOP for MSE?

    | I thought MSE auto-updated the definitions, but no change in
    | definition version date since install, 7 days ago. Can not find a
    | switch to turn auto-update on (or off). Did I misunderstand?

    | Machine's operations are definitly slower with MSE versus Avira. Is
    | this normal?

    | Is there an MSE-specific forum/newsgroup?

    Not a good idea. Anti virus isn't a falvour of the week and you just don't go installing
    one or another because you want to give it a go.

    You install anti virus to deal with malware and you do it because it does the bloody jov.

    Avira AntiVir does the job, better than MSE, and there is NO reason to switch.



    --
    Dave
    http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
     
  5. EN59CVH

    EN59CVH Flightless Bird

    If it took 2 + hours to install and further 9 hours to complete first
    full scan then clearly your system is very badly configured and/or
    corrupted in some ways. You would do yourself justice by reformatting
    your HD and starting all over again from Windows XP SP3 Slipstreamed.

    I am using MSE and AVAST and they are pretty fast even on PIII systems
    some 12 years old with 512 MB RAM.

    I have tried AVIRA but I didn't like it because I found it pretty slow
    in many ways. I will never touch it again ever! I was getting pop ups
    to buy full version and I couldn't stand it any more. It is a GERMAN
    product and we Brits avoid anything GERMAN. Unfortunately I can't avoid
    Nero but then I got it free because I cracked it!

    hth

    Teflon wrote:
    >
    > XP Pro SP3 -
    >
    > Was using Avira Free, decided to give MSFT's free AV a try. Turned
    > off Avira's on demand feature, downloaded and installed MSE. It took
    > a long time ( 2+ hours) to install and then download the definitions.
    > Took 9 hours to complete the first full scan - 40GB internal HD (< 50%
    > full) and 160 GB external HDD (< 40% full).
    >
    > Is this SOP for MSE?
    >
    > I thought MSE auto-updated the definitions, but no change in
    > definition version date since install, 7 days ago. Can not find a
    > switch to turn auto-update on (or off). Did I misunderstand?
    >
    > Machine's operations are definitly slower with MSE versus Avira. Is
    > this normal?
    >
    > Is there an MSE-specific forum/newsgroup?
     
  6. Peter Foldes

    Peter Foldes Flightless Bird

    I would leave Avira and not bother with MSE. Avira will do a better job

    --
    Peter

    Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
    Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

    "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:c27edc0f-302b-457b-b078-99e36f72e7d2@b9g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
    > XP Pro SP3 -
    >
    > Was using Avira Free, decided to give MSFT's free AV a try. Turned
    > off Avira's on demand feature, downloaded and installed MSE. It took
    > a long time ( 2+ hours) to install and then download the definitions.
    > Took 9 hours to complete the first full scan - 40GB internal HD (< 50%
    > full) and 160 GB external HDD (< 40% full).
    >
    > Is this SOP for MSE?
    >
    > I thought MSE auto-updated the definitions, but no change in
    > definition version date since install, 7 days ago. Can not find a
    > switch to turn auto-update on (or off). Did I misunderstand?
    >
    > Machine's operations are definitly slower with MSE versus Avira. Is
    > this normal?
    >
    > Is there an MSE-specific forum/newsgroup?
    >
    >
    >
     
  7. Bernd

    Bernd Flightless Bird

  8. EN59CVH

    EN59CVH Flightless Bird

    I drive a Japanese car and it runs well. I can pull women with it and
    even Unknown's mum <unknown@unknown.kom> is excited about it. I am 19
    and god knows how old she is!

    hth



    Bernd wrote:
    >
    > > It is a GERMAN
    > > product and we Brits avoid anything GERMAN.

    >
    > Aha !
    > But:
    >
    > http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080816114645AA7sUxe
    >
    > ;-)
    >
    > Bernd
     
  9. Teflon

    Teflon Flightless Bird

    On Feb 27, 11:01 am, "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote:
    > Uninstall Avira, don't just disable it.  If you decide to switch back,
    > reinstall it fater you remove MSE.


    In a previous post, I was told disabling Avira's Guard was all I had
    to do. That I should keep Avira installed to use as a confirming AV
    scanner. I have Super-Antispyware and Malwarebytes installed. Should
    I uninstall them as well?

    > From where did you download MSE exactly?  It should only take that long
    > to download, install and update if you were on dial-up.  This is where
    > you get the download:http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/


    That's where I got it.

    > Hers's the forum....be sure to read the Stickies.
    >
    > http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse
    >
    > Some info on updating and settings:
    >
    > http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/msescan/thread/51798...
    >
    > http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/msescan/thread/51418...


    Glen, thanks for the pointers, and for responding.

    > Glen Ventura, MS MVP  Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    > A+http://dts-l.net/
    >
    > "Teflon" <spambaitmeis...@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:c27edc0f-302b-457b-b078-99e36f72e7d2@b9g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
    >
    > > XP Pro SP3 -

    >
    > > Was using Avira Free, decided to give MSFT's free AV a try.  Turned
    > > off Avira's on demand feature, downloaded and installed MSE.  It took
    > > a long time ( 2+ hours) to install and then download the definitions.
    > > Took 9 hours to complete the first full scan - 40GB internal HD (< 50%
    > > full) and 160 GB external HDD (< 40% full).

    >
    > > Is this SOP for MSE?

    >
    > > I thought MSE auto-updated the definitions, but no change in
    > > definition version date since install, 7 days ago.  Can not find a
    > > switch to turn auto-update on (or off).  Did I misunderstand?

    >
    > > Machine's operations are definitly slower with MSE versus Avira. Is
    > > this normal?

    >
    > > Is there an MSE-specific forum/newsgroup?
     
  10. Teflon

    Teflon Flightless Bird

    On Feb 27, 11:23 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > You must uninstall your current AV app & reboot prior to installing MSE.
    >
    > The MSE Support page points you to the folllowing forums for assistance:
    >
    > http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse
    > --
    > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    >


    Thank you for responding. I'll give that process a go. Will MSE auto-
    update then?
     
  11. Teflon

    Teflon Flightless Bird

    On Feb 27, 1:43 pm, "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nosp...@Verizon.Net>
    wrote:
    >
    > Not a good idea.  Anti virus isn't a falvour of the week and you just don't go installing
    > one or another because you want to give it a go.
    >
    > You install anti virus to deal with malware and you do it because it doesthe bloody jov.
    >
    > Avira AntiVir does the job, better than MSE, and there is NO reason to switch.
    >


    Thanks for responding and sharing your view of MSE versus Avira,
    though there seems to be those who would differ with you.

    I decided to give MSE a try because I periodically had update-server
    availability problems with Avira over the past year, and in 4 years of
    use, Avira has not found a single problem on my system, or in any file
    I've accessed, though there is a perceptible drain on system resources
    when it's doing its thing. Malwarebytes found several problems, but
    none of any consequences. I just wanted to see if the MSE fans were
    right. Still don't know.

    > Davehttp://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    > Multi-AV -http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
     
  12. Teflon

    Teflon Flightless Bird

    On Feb 27, 2:28 pm, "Peter Foldes" <ok...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > I would leave Avira and not bother with MSE. Avira will do a better job
    >
    > --
    > Peter
    >


    That settles it, I have no idea which way to go, but thanks to all for
    responding.
     
  13. David H. Lipman

    David H. Lipman Flightless Bird

    From: "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com>

    | On Feb 27, 1:43 pm, "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nosp...@Verizon.Net>
    | wrote:

    >> Not a good idea. Anti virus isn't a falvour of the week and you just don't go
    >> installing
    >> one or another because you want to give it a go.


    >> You install anti virus to deal with malware and you do it because it does the bloody
    >> jov.


    >> Avira AntiVir does the job, better than MSE, and there is NO reason to switch.



    | Thanks for responding and sharing your view of MSE versus Avira,
    | though there seems to be those who would differ with you.

    | I decided to give MSE a try because I periodically had update-server
    | availability problems with Avira over the past year, and in 4 years of
    | use, Avira has not found a single problem on my system, or in any file
    | I've accessed, though there is a perceptible drain on system resources
    | when it's doing its thing. Malwarebytes found several problems, but
    | none of any consequences. I just wanted to see if the MSE fans were
    | right. Still don't know.

    Leave that to peolle experinced in actually handling malware. That is those who regurly
    download install and test malware for their capabilities athe software used to remove
    them.

    Installing, removing, re-installing, modifying, etc., only makes the pC unstable and it
    was shown in this thread that you don't comprehende the concept because you installed MSE
    over Avira while only disabling it.

    While this may not be understood by you there are possible consequences initiated through
    the Chaos and Complex Systems in a Computing Platform postulate.

    Like I said earlier, Avira AntiVir is a better solution and is not just a falour of the
    week.

    --
    Dave
    http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
     
  14. Terry R.

    Terry R. Flightless Bird

    On 2/28/2010 7:51 AM On a whim, Teflon pounded out on the keyboard

    > On Feb 27, 1:43 pm, "David H. Lipman"<DLipman~nosp...@Verizon.Net>
    > wrote:
    >>
    >> Not a good idea. Anti virus isn't a falvour of the week and you just don't go installing
    >> one or another because you want to give it a go.
    >>
    >> You install anti virus to deal with malware and you do it because it does the bloody jov.
    >>
    >> Avira AntiVir does the job, better than MSE, and there is NO reason to switch.
    >>

    >
    > Thanks for responding and sharing your view of MSE versus Avira,
    > though there seems to be those who would differ with you.


    I have used and installed AntiVir on machines for years. It is one of
    the best out there. Much better than MSE. Don't know who "those" people
    are that think otherwise.

    >
    > I decided to give MSE a try because I periodically had update-server
    > availability problems with Avira over the past year, and in 4 years of
    > use, Avira has not found a single problem on my system, or in any file
    > I've accessed, though there is a perceptible drain on system resources
    > when it's doing its thing. Malwarebytes found several problems, but
    > none of any consequences. I just wanted to see if the MSE fans were
    > right. Still don't know.
    >


    AntiVir uses less resources than any I've uninstalled, which has been a
    lot of retail packages.

    I have to wonder since you just disabled your AV and installed another
    AV on top of it, whether your issues are self-inflicted.

    Never take the advice of "fans".



    Terry R.
    --
    Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
    Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
     
  15. Terry R.

    Terry R. Flightless Bird

    On 2/27/2010 2:01 PM On a whim, EN59CVH pounded out on the keyboard


    > I have tried AVIRA but I didn't like it because I found it pretty slow
    > in many ways. I will never touch it again ever! I was getting pop ups
    > to buy full version and I couldn't stand it any more. It is a GERMAN
    > product and we Brits avoid anything GERMAN. Unfortunately I can't avoid
    > Nero but then I got it free because I cracked it!
    >


    Avira does give a once a day pop up offering the retail version. I tell
    clients that it tells them their software has been updated. It's better
    to know it's updating than the hundreds of people I found with expired
    subscriptions thinking they were being protected.

    And for those that don't care to know, the pop up can be disabled.

    So you'll criticize one German product but use another. I see you are
    completely unbiased...

    Terry R.
    --
    Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
    Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
     
  16. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Teflon wrote:
    >> You must uninstall your current AV app & reboot prior to installing MSE.
    >>
    >> The MSE Support page points you to the folllowing forums for assistance:
    >>
    >> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse
    >>

    > Thank you for responding. I'll give that process a go. Will MSE auto-
    > update then?


    If all is well, yes. If you need further assistance, begin a new thread in
    the appropriate MSE-specific forum:
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse

    As for MSE vs Avira AntiVir, see this discussion:
    http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=43119
     
  17. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    replies inline...
    "Terry R." <F1Com@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote in message
    news:-OOoW2YJuKHA.3360@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >
    > I have used and installed AntiVir on machines for years. It is one of
    > the best out there. Much better than MSE. Don't know who "those"
    > people are that think otherwise.



    "These" people seem to think otherwise:

    Free anti-virus applications compared -
    http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/internet-security/274933/free-anti-virus-applications-compared

    AV-Comparatives picks six malware removal winners
    http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2009/10/av-comparatives-picks-six-malware-removal-winners.ars


    > AntiVir uses less resources than any I've uninstalled, which has been
    > a lot of retail packages.



    AV-Comparatives Rates Anti-Malware Performance - Security Watch
    http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2009/12/av-comparatives_rates_anti-mal.php

    Rates both Avira and MSE 3-stars for low peformance impact.


    > I have to wonder since you just disabled your AV and installed another
    > AV on top of it, whether your issues are self-inflicted.
    >
    > Never take the advice of "fans".


    That's a humorous statement considering you are a self-avowed "fan" of
    Avira, based on the statement with which you opened your reply! ;-)

    I too have been a long-time Avira fan (also an Avast fan), but am now
    testing MSE on some systems because of Avira's recurrent problem
    connecting for updates, and because of the excellent reviews of MSE I am
    seeing, not only in the web pages above, but from trusted colleagues who
    are handlers in respected malware removal forums.

    YMMV! :)
    --
    Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    A+
    http://dts-l.net/
     
  18. David H. Lipman

    David H. Lipman Flightless Bird

    From: "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>

    < snip >

    | I too have been a long-time Avira fan (also an Avast fan), but am now
    | testing MSE on some systems because of Avira's recurrent problem
    | connecting for updates, and because of the excellent reviews of MSE I am
    | seeing, not only in the web pages above, but from trusted colleagues who
    | are handlers in respected malware removal forums.

    | YMMV! :)

    You said "testing MSE on some systems".

    OK you are deliberately going to malicious URLs ?

    You are deliberately trying infect the PC and if infected trying to remove malware
    infections using MSE ?


    --
    Dave
    http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
     
  19. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
    news:enj9AXKuKHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > From: "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>
    >
    > < snip >
    >
    > | I too have been a long-time Avira fan (also an Avast fan), but am
    > now
    > | testing MSE on some systems because of Avira's recurrent problem
    > | connecting for updates, and because of the excellent reviews of MSE
    > I am
    > | seeing, not only in the web pages above, but from trusted colleagues
    > who
    > | are handlers in respected malware removal forums.
    >
    > | YMMV! :)
    >
    > You said "testing MSE on some systems".
    >
    > OK you are deliberately going to malicious URLs ?
    >
    > You are deliberately trying infect the PC and if infected trying to
    > remove malware
    > infections using MSE ?


    'Testing' is probably the wrong word...'trying' might be more accurate.
    I am using MSE to see how well it updates and performs on some friends'
    systems, that formerly had Avira installed. They were getting periodic
    failed updates, plus Avira does not detect attempts to install things
    like the "Rogue/FakeAV" malware, and I want to see if MSE fares any
    better. I don't have time ATM to "test" them in the method you
    describe.

    Have you tested Avira and MSE by deliberately infecting a machine? What
    were the results and what infections did you use? I am using the
    testing results I have seen online, where the type tests you describe
    were done. Is there some reason I should discount those results?
    --
    Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    A+
    http://dts-l.net/
     
  20. David H. Lipman

    David H. Lipman Flightless Bird

    From: "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com>


    | 'Testing' is probably the wrong word...'trying' might be more accurate.
    | I am using MSE to see how well it updates and performs on some friends'
    | systems, that formerly had Avira installed. They were getting periodic
    | failed updates, plus Avira does not detect attempts to install things
    | like the "Rogue/FakeAV" malware, and I want to see if MSE fares any
    | better. I don't have time ATM to "test" them in the method you
    | describe.

    | Have you tested Avira and MSE by deliberately infecting a machine? What
    | were the results and what infections did you use? I am using the
    | testing results I have seen online, where the type tests you describe
    | were done. Is there some reason I should discount those results?

    No. Due to my full time profession, I can not afford to directly infect computers.

    The only comparison test (and this I very limited in scope and capability) is testing
    large number of malware on Virus Total which doesn't paint a full picture. However the I
    do find that Avira AtiVir consistently has had a higher catch rate than Microsoft's anti
    virus solutions.

    Knowing and trusting you, I wanted to see how far you were going since you yused the word
    'test'.

    Thanx for the qualification.


    --
    Dave
    http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
     

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