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Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by L. V. Bekeris, Apr 6, 2010.

  1. L. V. Bekeris

    L. V. Bekeris Flightless Bird

    Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
    Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
    could I install my news groups?
     
  2. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "L. V. Bekeris" <lvbekeris@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:hpgjeq$ap6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
    > Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
    > could I install my news groups?
    >

    There are plenty of news clients and mail/news client combos, some free,
    some cheap, and some expensive. Try a Google search for each, read the
    reviews, try some of them, and choose for yourself. That would be your best
    course of action.
    --
    SC Tom

    "Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed
    any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician."
    Lt. Col. J.D. "Jeff" Cooper, USMC, Ret.
     
  3. Bruce Hagen

    Bruce Hagen Flightless Bird

    "L. V. Bekeris" <lvbekeris@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:hpgjeq$ap6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with
    > MS Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and
    > how could I install my news groups?
    >



    Do you have an e-mail client installed? XP was the last Windows version to
    use Outlook Express. Vista had Windows Mail. Win7 has none.

    If all you want is a newsreader, there are plenty. Google.

    If you want a "replacement" for Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail is the
    successor to OE and WinMail.

    Windows Live Mail (Overview, Features & Download):
    http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
    --
    Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP [Mail]
    Imperial Beach, CA
     
  4. Ken Blake

    Ken Blake Flightless Bird

    On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 19:25:59 -0500, "L. V. Bekeris"
    <lvbekeris@wi.rr.com> wrote:

    > Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
    > Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express.



    Correct. No version of Windows since Windows XP has included Outlook
    Express.



    > Where, and how
    > could I install my news groups?



    You need to install a newsreader program--or a combination
    newsreader/e-mail program. You have many choices--some free and some
    for sale. Here's my standard message on the subject of
    newsreaders/e-mail programs:


    Outlook Express has been gone for several years. Windows XP was the
    last version of Windows to include it.

    Windows Vista had Windows Mail as its replacement (it's essentially a
    newer version of Outlook Express, with a different name), but that is
    also gone in Windows 7.

    Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
    people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
    since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
    likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and
    from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has
    Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of
    Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available
    for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook
    express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft
    Office.

    Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell
    you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations.
    My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
    Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and FortÊ Agent for newsgroups, but you
    should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
    your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best.
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
     
  5. XS11E

    XS11E Flightless Bird

    "L. V. Bekeris" <lvbekeris@wi.rr.com> wrote:

    > Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop
    > with MS Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express.
    > Where, and how could I install my news groups?


    If you're used to Outlook Express you can install Windows Mail in Win7.

    Windows Mail is the successor to OE that was introduced in Vista.

    Get it here:

    http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/06/05/download-windows-mail-from-vista-for-use-in-windows-7/

    NOTE: Read the entire page before doing anything, OK?

    --
    XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project:
    http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
     
  6. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:54:43 -0700, Ken Blake
    <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote:

    >You need to install a newsreader program--or a combination
    >newsreader/e-mail program. You have many choices--some free and some
    >for sale. Here's my standard message on the subject of
    >newsreaders/e-mail programs:
    >
    >
    >Outlook Express has been gone for several years. Windows XP was the
    >last version of Windows to include it.
    >
    >Windows Vista had Windows Mail as its replacement (it's essentially a
    >newer version of Outlook Express, with a different name), but that is
    >also gone in Windows 7.
    >
    >Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
    >people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
    >since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
    >likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and
    >from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has
    >Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of
    >Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available
    >for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook
    >express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft
    >Office.
    >
    >Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell
    >you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations.
    >My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
    >Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and FortÊ Agent for newsgroups, but you
    >should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
    >your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best.
    >Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003


    Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself
    mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"
     
  7. Joel

    Joel Flightless Bird

    Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    >Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself
    >mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"



    This was the first time I'd seen it, but it is excellent indeed. Not
    to mention his other fine, helpful posts!

    --
    Joel Crump
     
  8. Dave \Crash\ Dummy

    Dave \Crash\ Dummy Flightless Bird

    L. V. Bekeris wrote:
    > Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
    > Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
    > could I install my news groups?


    Here is a selection of mail and news clients (some combined) to look at.

    http://thedatalist.com/pages/Mail_Clients.htm

    http://thedatalist.com/pages/News_Readers.htm

    --
    Crash

    "The fewer the facts, the stronger the opinion."
    ~ Arnold H. Glasow ~
     
  9. Tim Slattery

    Tim Slattery Flightless Bird

  10. Jeff@nospam.fake

    Jeff@nospam.fake Flightless Bird

    On 4/6/2010 8:25 PM, L. V. Bekeris wrote:
    > Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
    > Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
    > could I install my news groups?
    >
    >

    I too used Outlook Express in XP but because it does not work in W 7, I
    evaluated both Windows Live and Thunderbird and settled on TB as the
    better one. Now I am happy I made the switch.
     
  11. Ken Blake

    Ken Blake Flightless Bird

    On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 21:03:32 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
    wrote:

    > On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:54:43 -0700, Ken Blake
    > <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote:
    >
    > >You need to install a newsreader program--or a combination
    > >newsreader/e-mail program. You have many choices--some free and some
    > >for sale. Here's my standard message on the subject of
    > >newsreaders/e-mail programs:
    > >
    > >
    > >Outlook Express has been gone for several years. Windows XP was the
    > >last version of Windows to include it.
    > >
    > >Windows Vista had Windows Mail as its replacement (it's essentially a
    > >newer version of Outlook Express, with a different name), but that is
    > >also gone in Windows 7.
    > >
    > >Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
    > >people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
    > >since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
    > >likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and
    > >from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has
    > >Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of
    > >Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available
    > >for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook
    > >express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft
    > >Office.
    > >
    > >Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell
    > >you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations.
    > >My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
    > >Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and FortÊ Agent for newsgroups, but you
    > >should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
    > >your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best.
    > >Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

    >
    > Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself
    > mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"



    Thanks very much for the kind words.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
     
  12. Ken Blake

    Ken Blake Flightless Bird

    On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 03:53:29 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

    > Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
    >
    > >Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself
    > >mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"

    >
    >
    > This was the first time I'd seen it, but it is excellent indeed. Not
    > to mention his other fine, helpful posts!



    And thanks very much to you too.

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
     
  13. Yousuf Khan

    Yousuf Khan Flightless Bird

    L. V. Bekeris wrote:
    > Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
    > Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
    > could I install my news groups?
    >
    >


    Mozilla Thunderbird.

    Yousuf Khan
     
  14. Zaidy036

    Zaidy036 Flightless Bird

    In article <hpgjeq$ap6$1@news.eternal-september.org>, lvbekeris@wi.rr.com
    says...
    >
    > Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
    > Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
    > could I install my news groups?



    Try the free Gravity at http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpgravity/
     
  15. Tom C

    Tom C Flightless Bird

    "L. V. Bekeris" <lvbekeris@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:hpgjeq$ap6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
    > Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
    > could I install my news groups?
    >


    If you want pretty much the same functionality of Outlook express, download
    and install Windows Live Mail. It has the same user interface and had added
    ability to add email accounts from hotmail, gmail and others. It's fairly
    easy to set up as well. You can even import your contacts from previous
    Outlook express, Microsoft Outlook and even Windows mail.
     
  16. Tom C

    Tom C Flightless Bird

    Ken, you always seem to have your Ps and Qs on board. Great job, and thanks
    for all the help you provide.

    "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
    news:qt6pr5lqp9n1rg1isv5u0u7p0tb0bu22e9@4ax.com...
    > On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 03:53:29 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself
    >> >mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"

    >>
    >>
    >> This was the first time I'd seen it, but it is excellent indeed. Not
    >> to mention his other fine, helpful posts!

    >
    >
    > And thanks very much to you too.
    >
    > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
     
  17. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Tom C wrote:
    >
    >
    > "L. V. Bekeris" <lvbekeris@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
    > news:hpgjeq$ap6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with
    >> MS Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where,
    >> and how could I install my news groups?
    >>

    >
    > If you want pretty much the same functionality of Outlook express,
    > download and install Windows Live Mail. It has the same user interface
    > and had added ability to add email accounts from hotmail, gmail and
    > others. It's fairly easy to set up as well. You can even import your
    > contacts from previous Outlook express, Microsoft Outlook and even
    > Windows mail.


    And just as much of a pain in the ass to back up and restore.

    This is what you have to do to back up WLM:

    http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!174.entry

    Thunderbird would be much better choice unless, of course, one doesn't
    want to back up one's messages, calendar, email accounts, contacts and
    news groups. With Thunderbird, all one has to do is back up two files.

    --
    Alias
     
  18. Ken Blake

    Ken Blake Flightless Bird

    On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 07:17:41 -0700, "Tom C" <bettablue@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    > Ken, you always seem to have your Ps and Qs on board. Great job, and thanks
    > for all the help you provide.



    Thanks very much, Tom.



    > "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
    > news:qt6pr5lqp9n1rg1isv5u0u7p0tb0bu22e9@4ax.com...
    > > On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 03:53:29 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself
    > >> >mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> This was the first time I'd seen it, but it is excellent indeed. Not
    > >> to mention his other fine, helpful posts!

    > >
    > >
    > > And thanks very much to you too.
    > >
    > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
     
  19. Mortimer

    Mortimer Flightless Bird

    "Alias" <aka@maskedandanymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
    news:hpkp0q$jns$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Tom C wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> "L. V. Bekeris" <lvbekeris@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
    >> news:hpgjeq$ap6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with
    >>> MS Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where,
    >>> and how could I install my news groups?
    >>>

    >>
    >> If you want pretty much the same functionality of Outlook express,
    >> download and install Windows Live Mail. It has the same user interface
    >> and had added ability to add email accounts from hotmail, gmail and
    >> others. It's fairly easy to set up as well. You can even import your
    >> contacts from previous Outlook express, Microsoft Outlook and even
    >> Windows mail.

    >
    > And just as much of a pain in the ass to back up and restore.
    >
    > This is what you have to do to back up WLM:
    >
    > http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!174.entry
    >
    > Thunderbird would be much better choice unless, of course, one doesn't
    > want to back up one's messages, calendar, email accounts, contacts and
    > news groups. With Thunderbird, all one has to do is back up two files.


    The problem with that (and it also affects Outlook) is that every time you
    make a small change to the set of emails (receive more, delete some, move
    them from one folder to another) you have to back up a humungous file which
    takes ages. With all the email and news messages in separate files (or else
    in one file per folder/newgroup) you only have to back up what's changed and
    not everything else.

    I back up the whole of the folder \users\<my user>\apps\windows\windows live
    mail so I can restore saved mail if it goes missing or I delete an email by
    mistake. I've also generated .iaf files for each of the accounts (once set
    up, these never change) so I can regenerate those as well - though I know
    the settings so I could do it from scratch if needed.

    Most of the time, the only files that change in this folder are the new
    emails and the renames for messages that I've moved from one folder to
    another. MS SyncToy is great for backing up things like this.
     
  20. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Mortimer wrote:
    > "Alias" <aka@maskedandanymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
    > news:hpkp0q$jns$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> Tom C wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "L. V. Bekeris" <lvbekeris@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:hpgjeq$ap6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>>> Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with
    >>>> MS Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where,
    >>>> and how could I install my news groups?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> If you want pretty much the same functionality of Outlook express,
    >>> download and install Windows Live Mail. It has the same user interface
    >>> and had added ability to add email accounts from hotmail, gmail and
    >>> others. It's fairly easy to set up as well. You can even import your
    >>> contacts from previous Outlook express, Microsoft Outlook and even
    >>> Windows mail.

    >>
    >> And just as much of a pain in the ass to back up and restore.
    >>
    >> This is what you have to do to back up WLM:
    >>
    >> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!174.entry
    >>
    >> Thunderbird would be much better choice unless, of course, one doesn't
    >> want to back up one's messages, calendar, email accounts, contacts and
    >> news groups. With Thunderbird, all one has to do is back up two files.

    >
    > The problem with that (and it also affects Outlook) is that every time
    > you make a small change to the set of emails (receive more, delete some,
    > move them from one folder to another) you have to back up a humungous
    > file which takes ages.


    Define "ages". Ever hear of USB 3.0?

    With all the email and news messages in separate
    > files (or else in one file per folder/newgroup) you only have to back up
    > what's changed and not everything else.
    >
    > I back up the whole of the folder \users\<my user>\apps\windows\windows
    > live mail so I can restore saved mail if it goes missing or I delete an
    > email by mistake. I've also generated .iaf files for each of the
    > accounts (once set up, these never change) so I can regenerate those as
    > well - though I know the settings so I could do it from scratch if needed.
    >
    > Most of the time, the only files that change in this folder are the new
    > emails and the renames for messages that I've moved from one folder to
    > another. MS SyncToy is great for backing up things like this.


    Still more complicated than backing up two files. With Outlook, even,
    it's at least three files: .pst, n2k and signatures.


    --
    Alias
     

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