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Microsoft Security Essentials

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by JD, Jan 11, 2010.

  1. JD

    JD Flightless Bird

    After recent bad experiences with CA Anti-virus (false positives), I'm
    thinking of switching to MSE. I downloaded the setup file but have not
    installed it yet.
    I know it's only been out for a short while, but has anyone bad, or good,
    experiences with it?
    Should I uninstall my current AV program before installing MSE?
    I also run Windows Defender. Will that conflict with MSE, or should it be
    uninstalled also?
     
  2. Bruce Hagen

    Bruce Hagen Flightless Bird

    "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    news:-Oa2gM1hkKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > After recent bad experiences with CA Anti-virus (false positives), I'm
    > thinking of switching to MSE. I downloaded the setup file but have not
    > installed it yet.
    > I know it's only been out for a short while, but has anyone bad, or
    > good, experiences with it?
    > Should I uninstall my current AV program before installing MSE?
    > I also run Windows Defender. Will that conflict with MSE, or should it
    > be uninstalled also?
    >



    I have been using MSE for a few months and find it to work very well. MSE
    contains Windows Defender and will either disable or remove your current
    WD download.
    --
    Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP [Mail]
    Imperial Beach, CA


    Download and Save MSE. Close all online programs. Remove your current AV
    and then install MSE.
     
  3. Nil

    Nil Flightless Bird

    On 10 Jan 2010, "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

    > Should I uninstall my current AV program before installing MSE?


    You don't need to uninstall it, but you must disable it's resident and
    automatic scanning features. It's OK to keep it around for the
    occasional on-demand scan.

    > I also run Windows Defender. Will that conflict with MSE, or
    > should it be uninstalled also?


    I believe MSE will disable WD during its installation.
     
  4. JD

    JD Flightless Bird

    Thanks Bruce. I will do as you suggest. Since MSE "contains" Windows
    Defender, it seems to make sense to remove it as well.
    Do I assume correctly that MSE will provide frequent (maybe daily) updates,
    and allow the occasional "full system scan"?
    BTW, is this essentially the same as the online scan offered by
    Microsoft--which includes, interestingly, an option to "clean" the Registry?
    "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    news:-OS0eo7hkKHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >
    > "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:-Oa2gM1hkKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >> After recent bad experiences with CA Anti-virus (false positives), I'm
    >> thinking of switching to MSE. I downloaded the setup file but have not
    >> installed it yet.
    >> I know it's only been out for a short while, but has anyone bad, or good,
    >> experiences with it?
    >> Should I uninstall my current AV program before installing MSE?
    >> I also run Windows Defender. Will that conflict with MSE, or should it be
    >> uninstalled also?
    >>

    >
    >
    > I have been using MSE for a few months and find it to work very well. MSE
    > contains Windows Defender and will either disable or remove your current
    > WD download.
    > --
    > Bruce Hagen
    > MS-MVP [Mail]
    > Imperial Beach, CA
    >
    >
    > Download and Save MSE. Close all online programs. Remove your current AV
    > and then install MSE.
     
  5. Bruce Hagen

    Bruce Hagen Flightless Bird

    "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    news:eeLP7%23ikKHA.5608@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > Thanks Bruce. I will do as you suggest. Since MSE "contains" Windows
    > Defender, it seems to make sense to remove it as well.
    > Do I assume correctly that MSE will provide frequent (maybe daily)
    > updates, and allow the occasional "full system scan"?
    > BTW, is this essentially the same as the online scan offered by
    > Microsoft--which includes, interestingly, an option to "clean" the
    > Registry?



    It doesn't clean the registry. Can you show me a link to what you are
    referring to?

    It will give you updates as they are available. You can do Quick or Full
    scans manually and set a time & day to run scans if you wish.

    With some operating systems, MSE removes Windows Defender, and some just
    disable it. I don't recall which is which at the moment, but if you still
    see it in Add/Remove when you have MSE installed, you can remove it if you
    wish.
    --
    Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP [Mail]
    Imperial Beach, CA


    Microsoft Security Essentials:
    http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/default.aspx





    > "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:-OS0eo7hkKHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >> news:-Oa2gM1hkKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>> After recent bad experiences with CA Anti-virus (false positives), I'm
    >>> thinking of switching to MSE. I downloaded the setup file but have not
    >>> installed it yet.
    >>> I know it's only been out for a short while, but has anyone bad, or
    >>> good, experiences with it?
    >>> Should I uninstall my current AV program before installing MSE?
    >>> I also run Windows Defender. Will that conflict with MSE, or should it
    >>> be uninstalled also?
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> I have been using MSE for a few months and find it to work very well.
    >> MSE contains Windows Defender and will either disable or remove your
    >> current WD download.
    >> --
    >> Bruce Hagen
    >> MS-MVP [Mail]
    >> Imperial Beach, CA
    >>
    >>
    >> Download and Save MSE. Close all online programs. Remove your current
    >> AV and then install MSE.

    >
    >
     
  6. JD

    JD Flightless Bird

    I was referring to the Windows OneCare Safety Scanner, which offers three
    different scans, one of which claims to "clean" the registry.
    http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm
    "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    news:eMeivOjkKHA.1648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >
    > "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:eeLP7%23ikKHA.5608@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> Thanks Bruce. I will do as you suggest. Since MSE "contains" Windows
    >> Defender, it seems to make sense to remove it as well.
    >> Do I assume correctly that MSE will provide frequent (maybe daily)
    >> updates, and allow the occasional "full system scan"?
    >> BTW, is this essentially the same as the online scan offered by
    >> Microsoft--which includes, interestingly, an option to "clean" the
    >> Registry?

    >
    >
    > It doesn't clean the registry. Can you show me a link to what you are
    > referring to?
    >
    > It will give you updates as they are available. You can do Quick or Full
    > scans manually and set a time & day to run scans if you wish.
    >
    > With some operating systems, MSE removes Windows Defender, and some just
    > disable it. I don't recall which is which at the moment, but if you still
    > see it in Add/Remove when you have MSE installed, you can remove it if you
    > wish.
    > --
    > Bruce Hagen
    > MS-MVP [Mail]
    > Imperial Beach, CA
    >
    >
    > Microsoft Security Essentials:
    > http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/default.aspx
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:-OS0eo7hkKHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>
    >>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:-Oa2gM1hkKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>> After recent bad experiences with CA Anti-virus (false positives), I'm
    >>>> thinking of switching to MSE. I downloaded the setup file but have not
    >>>> installed it yet.
    >>>> I know it's only been out for a short while, but has anyone bad, or
    >>>> good, experiences with it?
    >>>> Should I uninstall my current AV program before installing MSE?
    >>>> I also run Windows Defender. Will that conflict with MSE, or should it
    >>>> be uninstalled also?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I have been using MSE for a few months and find it to work very well.
    >>> MSE contains Windows Defender and will either disable or remove your
    >>> current WD download.
    >>> --
    >>> Bruce Hagen
    >>> MS-MVP [Mail]
    >>> Imperial Beach, CA
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Download and Save MSE. Close all online programs. Remove your current AV
    >>> and then install MSE.

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  7. Bruce Hagen

    Bruce Hagen Flightless Bird

    That is a defunct program that was replaced with MSE.

    Windows Live™ OneCare® End of Sale Guidance Page
    http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-US/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm
    --
    Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP [Mail]
    Imperial Beach, CA




    "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    news:%23QC74TkkKHA.5608@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >I was referring to the Windows OneCare Safety Scanner, which offers three
    >different scans, one of which claims to "clean" the registry.
    > http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm
    > "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:eMeivOjkKHA.1648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >> news:eeLP7%23ikKHA.5608@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>> Thanks Bruce. I will do as you suggest. Since MSE "contains" Windows
    >>> Defender, it seems to make sense to remove it as well.
    >>> Do I assume correctly that MSE will provide frequent (maybe daily)
    >>> updates, and allow the occasional "full system scan"?
    >>> BTW, is this essentially the same as the online scan offered by
    >>> Microsoft--which includes, interestingly, an option to "clean" the
    >>> Registry?

    >>
    >>
    >> It doesn't clean the registry. Can you show me a link to what you are
    >> referring to?
    >>
    >> It will give you updates as they are available. You can do Quick or
    >> Full scans manually and set a time & day to run scans if you wish.
    >>
    >> With some operating systems, MSE removes Windows Defender, and some
    >> just disable it. I don't recall which is which at the moment, but if
    >> you still see it in Add/Remove when you have MSE installed, you can
    >> remove it if you wish.
    >> --
    >> Bruce Hagen
    >> MS-MVP [Mail]
    >> Imperial Beach, CA
    >>
    >>
    >> Microsoft Security Essentials:
    >> http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/default.aspx
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:-OS0eo7hkKHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>
    >>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:-Oa2gM1hkKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> After recent bad experiences with CA Anti-virus (false positives),
    >>>>> I'm thinking of switching to MSE. I downloaded the setup file but
    >>>>> have not installed it yet.
    >>>>> I know it's only been out for a short while, but has anyone bad, or
    >>>>> good, experiences with it?
    >>>>> Should I uninstall my current AV program before installing MSE?
    >>>>> I also run Windows Defender. Will that conflict with MSE, or should
    >>>>> it be uninstalled also?
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I have been using MSE for a few months and find it to work very well.
    >>>> MSE contains Windows Defender and will either disable or remove your
    >>>> current WD download.
    >>>> --
    >>>> Bruce Hagen
    >>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
    >>>> Imperial Beach, CA
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Download and Save MSE. Close all online programs. Remove your current
    >>>> AV and then install MSE.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>

    >
    >
     
  8. Daave

    Daave Flightless Bird

    I think you and JD are talking about different things. He's asking about
    the free online scanning service which is often recommended by MVPs (who
    are quick to add that users should avoid the registry-related "Tune Up"
    option). Again:

    http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm

    Of course, Microsoft is true to form in using almost identical names for
    different products!

    Bruce Hagen wrote:
    > That is a defunct program that was replaced with MSE.
    >
    > Windows Live™ OneCare® End of Sale Guidance Page
    > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-US/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm
    >
    > "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:%23QC74TkkKHA.5608@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> I was referring to the Windows OneCare Safety Scanner, which offers
    >> three different scans, one of which claims to "clean" the registry.
    >> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm
    >> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:eMeivOjkKHA.1648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>
    >>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:eeLP7%23ikKHA.5608@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>> Thanks Bruce. I will do as you suggest. Since MSE "contains"
    >>>> Windows Defender, it seems to make sense to remove it as well.
    >>>> Do I assume correctly that MSE will provide frequent (maybe daily)
    >>>> updates, and allow the occasional "full system scan"?
    >>>> BTW, is this essentially the same as the online scan offered by
    >>>> Microsoft--which includes, interestingly, an option to "clean" the
    >>>> Registry?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> It doesn't clean the registry. Can you show me a link to what you
    >>> are referring to?
    >>>
    >>> It will give you updates as they are available. You can do Quick or
    >>> Full scans manually and set a time & day to run scans if you wish.
    >>>
    >>> With some operating systems, MSE removes Windows Defender, and some
    >>> just disable it. I don't recall which is which at the moment, but if
    >>> you still see it in Add/Remove when you have MSE installed, you can
    >>> remove it if you wish.
    >>> --
    >>> Bruce Hagen
    >>> MS-MVP [Mail]
    >>> Imperial Beach, CA
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Microsoft Security Essentials:
    >>> http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/default.aspx
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:-OS0eo7hkKHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:-Oa2gM1hkKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>> After recent bad experiences with CA Anti-virus (false
    >>>>>> positives), I'm thinking of switching to MSE. I downloaded the
    >>>>>> setup file but have not installed it yet.
    >>>>>> I know it's only been out for a short while, but has anyone bad,
    >>>>>> or good, experiences with it?
    >>>>>> Should I uninstall my current AV program before installing MSE?
    >>>>>> I also run Windows Defender. Will that conflict with MSE, or
    >>>>>> should it be uninstalled also?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have been using MSE for a few months and find it to work very
    >>>>> well. MSE contains Windows Defender and will either disable or
    >>>>> remove your current WD download.
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> Bruce Hagen
    >>>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
    >>>>> Imperial Beach, CA
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Download and Save MSE. Close all online programs. Remove your
    >>>>> current AV and then install MSE.
     
  9. Bruce Hagen

    Bruce Hagen Flightless Bird

    You're probably right. I'm not sure anymore if my name is Bruce, brUce, or
    brucE.

    I too would shy away from the reg cleaner aspect. IMHO, it simply is not
    needed, so why take a chance.
    --
    Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP [Mail]
    Imperial Beach, CA


    "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
    news:-ONgkt5lkKHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >I think you and JD are talking about different things. He's asking about
    >the free online scanning service which is often recommended by MVPs (who
    >are quick to add that users should avoid the registry-related "Tune Up"
    >option). Again:
    >
    > http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm
    >
    > Of course, Microsoft is true to form in using almost identical names for
    > different products!
    >
    > Bruce Hagen wrote:
    >> That is a defunct program that was replaced with MSE.
    >>
    >> Windows Live™ OneCare® End of Sale Guidance Page
    >> http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-US/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm
    >>
    >> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >> news:%23QC74TkkKHA.5608@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>> I was referring to the Windows OneCare Safety Scanner, which offers
    >>> three different scans, one of which claims to "clean" the registry.
    >>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm
    >>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:eMeivOjkKHA.1648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>
    >>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:eeLP7%23ikKHA.5608@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> Thanks Bruce. I will do as you suggest. Since MSE "contains"
    >>>>> Windows Defender, it seems to make sense to remove it as well.
    >>>>> Do I assume correctly that MSE will provide frequent (maybe daily)
    >>>>> updates, and allow the occasional "full system scan"?
    >>>>> BTW, is this essentially the same as the online scan offered by
    >>>>> Microsoft--which includes, interestingly, an option to "clean" the
    >>>>> Registry?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> It doesn't clean the registry. Can you show me a link to what you
    >>>> are referring to?
    >>>>
    >>>> It will give you updates as they are available. You can do Quick or
    >>>> Full scans manually and set a time & day to run scans if you wish.
    >>>>
    >>>> With some operating systems, MSE removes Windows Defender, and some
    >>>> just disable it. I don't recall which is which at the moment, but if
    >>>> you still see it in Add/Remove when you have MSE installed, you can
    >>>> remove it if you wish.
    >>>> --
    >>>> Bruce Hagen
    >>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
    >>>> Imperial Beach, CA
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Microsoft Security Essentials:
    >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/default.aspx
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:-OS0eo7hkKHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:-Oa2gM1hkKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>> After recent bad experiences with CA Anti-virus (false
    >>>>>>> positives), I'm thinking of switching to MSE. I downloaded the
    >>>>>>> setup file but have not installed it yet.
    >>>>>>> I know it's only been out for a short while, but has anyone bad,
    >>>>>>> or good, experiences with it?
    >>>>>>> Should I uninstall my current AV program before installing MSE?
    >>>>>>> I also run Windows Defender. Will that conflict with MSE, or
    >>>>>>> should it be uninstalled also?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I have been using MSE for a few months and find it to work very
    >>>>>> well. MSE contains Windows Defender and will either disable or
    >>>>>> remove your current WD download.
    >>>>>> --
    >>>>>> Bruce Hagen
    >>>>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
    >>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Download and Save MSE. Close all online programs. Remove your
    >>>>>> current AV and then install MSE.

    >
    >
     
  10. Daave

    Daave Flightless Bird

    True.

    Bruce Hagen wrote:
    > You're probably right. I'm not sure anymore if my name is Bruce,
    > brUce, or brucE.
    >
    > I too would shy away from the reg cleaner aspect. IMHO, it simply is
    > not needed, so why take a chance.
    >
    > "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:-ONgkt5lkKHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> I think you and JD are talking about different things. He's asking
    >> about the free online scanning service which is often recommended by
    >> MVPs (who are quick to add that users should avoid the
    >> registry-related "Tune Up" option). Again:
    >>
    >> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm
    >>
    >> Of course, Microsoft is true to form in using almost identical names
    >> for different products!
    >>
    >> Bruce Hagen wrote:
    >>> That is a defunct program that was replaced with MSE.
    >>>
    >>> Windows Live™ OneCare® End of Sale Guidance Page
    >>> http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-US/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm
    >>>
    >>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:%23QC74TkkKHA.5608@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>> I was referring to the Windows OneCare Safety Scanner, which offers
    >>>> three different scans, one of which claims to "clean" the registry.
    >>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm
    >>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:eMeivOjkKHA.1648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:eeLP7%23ikKHA.5608@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>> Thanks Bruce. I will do as you suggest. Since MSE "contains"
    >>>>>> Windows Defender, it seems to make sense to remove it as well.
    >>>>>> Do I assume correctly that MSE will provide frequent (maybe
    >>>>>> daily) updates, and allow the occasional "full system scan"?
    >>>>>> BTW, is this essentially the same as the online scan offered by
    >>>>>> Microsoft--which includes, interestingly, an option to "clean"
    >>>>>> the Registry?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> It doesn't clean the registry. Can you show me a link to what you
    >>>>> are referring to?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> It will give you updates as they are available. You can do Quick
    >>>>> or Full scans manually and set a time & day to run scans if you
    >>>>> wish. With some operating systems, MSE removes Windows Defender,
    >>>>> and
    >>>>> some just disable it. I don't recall which is which at the
    >>>>> moment, but if you still see it in Add/Remove when you have MSE
    >>>>> installed, you can remove it if you wish.
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> Bruce Hagen
    >>>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
    >>>>> Imperial Beach, CA
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Microsoft Security Essentials:
    >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/default.aspx
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:-OS0eo7hkKHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:-Oa2gM1hkKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>> After recent bad experiences with CA Anti-virus (false
    >>>>>>>> positives), I'm thinking of switching to MSE. I downloaded the
    >>>>>>>> setup file but have not installed it yet.
    >>>>>>>> I know it's only been out for a short while, but has anyone
    >>>>>>>> bad, or good, experiences with it?
    >>>>>>>> Should I uninstall my current AV program before installing MSE?
    >>>>>>>> I also run Windows Defender. Will that conflict with MSE, or
    >>>>>>>> should it be uninstalled also?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I have been using MSE for a few months and find it to work very
    >>>>>>> well. MSE contains Windows Defender and will either disable or
    >>>>>>> remove your current WD download.
    >>>>>>> --
    >>>>>>> Bruce Hagen
    >>>>>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
    >>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Download and Save MSE. Close all online programs. Remove your
    >>>>>>> current AV and then install MSE.
     
  11. Smirnoff

    Smirnoff Flightless Bird

    "Nil" <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
    news:Xns9CFC85280995Cnilch1@130.133.4.11...
    > On 10 Jan 2010, "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in
    > microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
    >
    >> Should I uninstall my current AV program before installing MSE?

    >
    > You don't need to uninstall it, but you must disable it's resident and
    > automatic scanning features. It's OK to keep it around for the
    > occasional on-demand scan.
    >
    >> I also run Windows Defender. Will that conflict with MSE, or
    >> should it be uninstalled also?

    >
    > I believe MSE will disable WD during its installation.


    Don't agree about just disabling your current AV. Even using it for an
    occasional on-demand scan will clash with MSE. Never run two AVs at the same
    time.

    People have reported problems with MSE even after UNINSTALLING their current
    AV. Remnants of the program still remain and MSE is reported to use large
    amounts of CPU whilst this is the case. See:

    http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/407bf6da-c05d-4546-8788-0aa4c25a1f91

    Use ALL the clean up tools, you may have tried different AVs in the past and
    forgotten about them.

    Anti-malware programmes like Malwarebytes and Superantispyware are a
    different story. If you use the FREE versions, they do not have "real-time"
    protection and these CAN be used to run on-demand scans.
     
  12. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    If your posts had an MVP tag we might be able to tell you. <eg>

    Bruce Hagen wrote:
    > You're probably right. I'm not sure anymore if my name is Bruce, brUce, or
    > brucE.
    >
    > I too would shy away from the reg cleaner aspect. IMHO, it simply is not
    > needed, so why take a chance.
    >
    > "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:-ONgkt5lkKHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> I think you and JD are talking about different things. He's asking about
    >> the free online scanning service which is often recommended by MVPs (who
    >> are quick to add that users should avoid the registry-related "Tune Up"
    >> option). Again:
    >>
    >> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm
    >>
    >> Of course, Microsoft is true to form in using almost identical names for
    >> different products!
    >>
    >> Bruce Hagen wrote:
    >>> That is a defunct program that was replaced with MSE.
    >>>
    >>> Windows Live™ OneCare® End of Sale Guidance Page
    >>> http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-US/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm
    >>>
    >>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:%23QC74TkkKHA.5608@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>> I was referring to the Windows OneCare Safety Scanner, which offers
    >>>> three different scans, one of which claims to "clean" the registry.
    >>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm
    >>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:eMeivOjkKHA.1648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:eeLP7%23ikKHA.5608@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>> Thanks Bruce. I will do as you suggest. Since MSE "contains"
    >>>>>> Windows Defender, it seems to make sense to remove it as well.
    >>>>>> Do I assume correctly that MSE will provide frequent (maybe daily)
    >>>>>> updates, and allow the occasional "full system scan"?
    >>>>>> BTW, is this essentially the same as the online scan offered by
    >>>>>> Microsoft--which includes, interestingly, an option to "clean" the
    >>>>>> Registry?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> It doesn't clean the registry. Can you show me a link to what you
    >>>>> are referring to?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> It will give you updates as they are available. You can do Quick or
    >>>>> Full scans manually and set a time & day to run scans if you wish.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> With some operating systems, MSE removes Windows Defender, and some
    >>>>> just disable it. I don't recall which is which at the moment, but if
    >>>>> you still see it in Add/Remove when you have MSE installed, you can
    >>>>> remove it if you wish.
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> Bruce Hagen
    >>>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
    >>>>> Imperial Beach, CA
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Microsoft Security Essentials:
    >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/default.aspx
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:-OS0eo7hkKHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:-Oa2gM1hkKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>> After recent bad experiences with CA Anti-virus (false
    >>>>>>>> positives), I'm thinking of switching to MSE. I downloaded the
    >>>>>>>> setup file but have not installed it yet.
    >>>>>>>> I know it's only been out for a short while, but has anyone bad,
    >>>>>>>> or good, experiences with it?
    >>>>>>>> Should I uninstall my current AV program before installing MSE?
    >>>>>>>> I also run Windows Defender. Will that conflict with MSE, or
    >>>>>>>> should it be uninstalled also?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I have been using MSE for a few months and find it to work very
    >>>>>>> well. MSE contains Windows Defender and will either disable or
    >>>>>>> remove your current WD download.
    >>>>>>> --
    >>>>>>> Bruce Hagen
    >>>>>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
    >>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Download and Save MSE. Close all online programs. Remove your
    >>>>>>> current AV and then install MSE.
     
  13. Nil

    Nil Flightless Bird

    On 11 Jan 2010, "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

    > Don't agree about just disabling your current AV. Even using it
    > for an occasional on-demand scan will clash with MSE. Never run
    > two AVs at the same time.


    You're probably right. I have done it before (not with MSE) and there
    could be be potential for a clash.
     
  14. Teflon

    Teflon Flightless Bird

    On Jan 10, 12:01 pm, "JD" <ereh...@example.com> wrote:

    > Do I assume correctly that MSE will provide frequent (maybe daily) updates,


    If so, is this 'frequent' update function provided via Windows
    Update?

    If so, does that mean that WU needs to be set on automatic?

    If so, how does one screen other MS product updates before they are
    unilaterally applied by WU?

    Do I worry needlessly?
     
  15. Smirnoff

    Smirnoff Flightless Bird

    "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1381f471-749c-4f65-9452-b7261411fede@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
    > On Jan 10, 12:01 pm, "JD" <ereh...@example.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Do I assume correctly that MSE will provide frequent (maybe daily)
    >> updates,

    >
    > If so, is this 'frequent' update function provided via Windows
    > Update?
    >
    > If so, does that mean that WU needs to be set on automatic?
    >
    > If so, how does one screen other MS product updates before they are
    > unilaterally applied by WU?
    >
    > Do I worry needlessly?


    Yes, you do worry needlessly.

    I have MS updates set to "Notify but not download or install".

    However, MSE definition updates install automatically. If I look at "Review
    update history" in MS updates under "Source", it tells me that these are
    from "Other source" (i.e. not Microsoft update or automatic update").

    In my case, MSE updates daily about 10 minutes after boot up. If it finds a
    file that it isn't sure of, it will call for the latest definition updates
    at ANY time.

    There is no need to set MS updates to automatic, I am still only informed of
    normal/critical updates as my setting requests.
     
  16. Teflon

    Teflon Flightless Bird

    On Jan 12, 12:27 am, "Smirnoff" <some...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    > "Teflon" <spambaitmeis...@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:1381f471-749c-4f65-9452-b7261411fede@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
    >
    > > On Jan 10, 12:01 pm, "JD" <ereh...@example.com> wrote:

    >
    > >> Do I assume correctly that MSE will provide frequent (maybe daily)
    > >> updates,

    >
    > > If so, is this 'frequent' update function provided via Windows
    > > Update?

    >
    > > If so, does that mean that WU needs to be set on automatic?

    >
    > > If so, how does one screen other MS product updates before they are
    > > unilaterally applied by WU?

    >
    > > Do I worry needlessly?

    >
    > Yes, you do worry needlessly.
    >
    > I have MS updates set to "Notify but not download  or install".
    >
    > However, MSE definition updates install automatically. If I look at "Review
    > update history" in MS updates under "Source", it tells me that these are
    > from "Other source" (i.e. not Microsoft update or automatic update").
    >
    > In my case, MSE updates daily about 10 minutes after boot up. If it findsa
    > file that it isn't sure of, it will call for the latest definition updates
    > at ANY time.
    >
    > There is no need to set MS updates to automatic, I am still only informedof
    > normal/critical updates as my setting requests.


    Thank you for clarifying that. I appreciate the thoroughness and
    upbeat tone of your response. Some of the Usenet 'experts' write with
    such a demeaning tone, I wonder why they bother to respond. Must be
    to salve some personal demons. Thanks again.
     
  17. Smirnoff

    Smirnoff Flightless Bird

    "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:2e70a259-023e-466e-bbc6-aa5e78fbd459@p24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
    > On Jan 12, 12:27 am, "Smirnoff" <some...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    >> "Teflon" <spambaitmeis...@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:1381f471-749c-4f65-9452-b7261411fede@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
    >>
    >> > On Jan 10, 12:01 pm, "JD" <ereh...@example.com> wrote:

    >>
    >> >> Do I assume correctly that MSE will provide frequent (maybe daily)
    >> >> updates,

    >>
    >> > If so, is this 'frequent' update function provided via Windows
    >> > Update?

    >>
    >> > If so, does that mean that WU needs to be set on automatic?

    >>
    >> > If so, how does one screen other MS product updates before they are
    >> > unilaterally applied by WU?

    >>
    >> > Do I worry needlessly?

    >>
    >> Yes, you do worry needlessly.
    >>
    >> I have MS updates set to "Notify but not download or install".
    >>
    >> However, MSE definition updates install automatically. If I look at
    >> "Review
    >> update history" in MS updates under "Source", it tells me that these are
    >> from "Other source" (i.e. not Microsoft update or automatic update").
    >>
    >> In my case, MSE updates daily about 10 minutes after boot up. If it finds
    >> a
    >> file that it isn't sure of, it will call for the latest definition
    >> updates
    >> at ANY time.
    >>
    >> There is no need to set MS updates to automatic, I am still only informed
    >> of
    >> normal/critical updates as my setting requests.

    >
    > Thank you for clarifying that. I appreciate the thoroughness and
    > upbeat tone of your response. Some of the Usenet 'experts' write with
    > such a demeaning tone, I wonder why they bother to respond. Must be
    > to salve some personal demons. Thanks again.


    You're welcome.

    Please see my other post in this thread. MSE doesn't like remnants of any
    other AV programme, even if they have been uninstalled!

    Free versions of Malwarebytes and Superantispyware are OK. They are not AV
    programmes but anti-malware and they don't have "real-time" protection.
    Handy for occasional on-demand scan.
     

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