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Microsoft Security Essentials -- how effective?

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Percival P. Cassidy, May 26, 2010.

  1. Percival P. Cassidy

    Percival P. Cassidy Flightless Bird

    On WinXP I was using the CA Internet Security Suite Plus, and I don't
    think there was a day went by without at least one update becoming
    available -- and sometimes two or more.

    On Win7 I have installed Microsoft Security Essentials, and often the
    updates are days apart. Isn't my machine more vulnerable with MSE than
    with the CA product?

    Perce
     
  2. Ken Blake

    Ken Blake Flightless Bird

    On Wed, 26 May 2010 10:01:56 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"
    <Nobody@NotMyISP.com> wrote:

    > On WinXP I was using the CA Internet Security Suite Plus, and I don't
    > think there was a day went by without at least one update becoming
    > available -- and sometimes two or more.
    >
    > On Win7 I have installed Microsoft Security Essentials, and often the
    > updates are days apart. Isn't my machine more vulnerable with MSE than
    > with the CA product?



    There are many differences in quality between different security
    products. Frequency of updating is only one of them. In my view, MSE
    is the better of the two products.


    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
     
  3. Dave

    Dave Flightless Bird

    "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.com> wrote in message
    news:htj9kl$um5$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > On WinXP I was using the CA Internet Security Suite Plus, and I don't
    > think there was a day went by without at least one update becoming
    > available -- and sometimes two or more.
    >
    > On Win7 I have installed Microsoft Security Essentials, and often the
    > updates are days apart. Isn't my machine more vulnerable with MSE than
    > with the CA product?
    >
    > Perce


    I haven't done a controlled survey, but it seems like I get an update every
    day with MSE. Either way, what made me decide to switch to MSE was a
    controlled experiment that showed MSE ranked as high or higher than most of
    the well-known antivirus software in catching viruses. I don't think they
    could have gotten that ranking if they weren't current in their definitions.
    I will admit, there are times when I'm going to do a manual scan that I will
    do a manual check for updates so the automatic may not work 100%, I can't
    say. MSE's only real limitation, if you wanted to consider it that, is that
    it is only antivirus and not a suite. Then again, if you add in Windows
    Firewall, that changes somewhat.
    Just my .02 worth,
    Dave
     
  4. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.com> wrote in message
    news:htj9kl$um5$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > On WinXP I was using the CA Internet Security Suite Plus, and I don't
    > think there was a day went by without at least one update becoming
    > available -- and sometimes two or more.
    >
    > On Win7 I have installed Microsoft Security Essentials, and often the
    > updates are days apart. Isn't my machine more vulnerable with MSE than
    > with the CA product?
    >
    > Perce


    I installed MSE on my Win7 notebook and found, like Dave, that it updated
    very day. I felt it worked well while I had it ( I didn't catch anything
    nasty), but I uninstalled it and went back to ZAISS.
    It always seemed to take forever to start up, and would give errors about no
    protection until it finally did. More than half the time, I would have to go
    in and start it up manually since it seemed to hang on not starting. I had
    tried it earlier on my step-daughter's XP machine, and it reacted the same
    way, but I thought maybe it was just an MSE-XP thing.
    Other than the start-up issue, I was pleased enough with it. But I would
    rather have protection when Windows starts and I'm ready to go online or do
    other things, not have to wait for the protection to start or have to start
    it manually.
    --
    SC Tom
     
  5. EW

    EW Flightless Bird

    I've installed MSSE software on 4 Windows systems, 2 Vistas and 2 XP SP2
    machines. I'm convinced it's a fine AV security program and it does as
    advertised! However.....

    MSSE takes control shortly after system boot-up and doesn't let go until
    it's through with its daily updates and whatever else it does. Even
    disabling it in MSCONFIG will not prevent it from its hold on the
    system. The effect on system resources is almost tolerable in Vista but
    tough on older XP systems.

    Nevertheless, it's an effective AV program.

    EW


    On 5/26/2010 9:01 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
    > On WinXP I was using the CA Internet Security Suite Plus, and I don't
    > think there was a day went by without at least one update becoming
    > available -- and sometimes two or more.
    >
    > On Win7 I have installed Microsoft Security Essentials, and often the
    > updates are days apart. Isn't my machine more vulnerable with MSE than
    > with the CA product?
    >
    > Perce
     
  6. Stephen Wolstenholme

    Stephen Wolstenholme Flightless Bird

    On Wed, 26 May 2010 16:13:24 -0500, EW <ewyatt__del__@excite.com>
    wrote:

    >I've installed MSSE software on 4 Windows systems, 2 Vistas and 2 XP SP2
    >machines. I'm convinced it's a fine AV security program and it does as
    >advertised! However.....
    >
    >MSSE takes control shortly after system boot-up and doesn't let go until
    >it's through with its daily updates and whatever else it does. Even
    >disabling it in MSCONFIG will not prevent it from its hold on the
    >system. The effect on system resources is almost tolerable in Vista but
    >tough on older XP systems.
    >
    >Nevertheless, it's an effective AV program.
    >
    >EW


    MSE does not take control so it has no need to let go!

    I have not noticed any startup delay with MSE on any systems no matter
    how old or slow they are.

    Steve

    --
    Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com
    EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. www.easynn.com
    SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com
    JustNN. Just Neural Networks. www.justnn.com
     
  7. XS11E

    XS11E Flightless Bird

    "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote:

    > I installed MSE on my Win7 notebook and found, like Dave, that it
    > updated very day. I felt it worked well while I had it ( I didn't
    > catch anything nasty), but I uninstalled it and went back to
    > ZAISS. It always seemed to take forever to start up, and would
    > give errors about no protection until it finally did. More than
    > half the time, I would have to go in and start it up manually
    > since it seemed to hang on not starting.



    Sounds like ZA failed to uninstall as usual. Did you use add/remove
    programs and then follow their website directions to delete all the
    registry keys, .dll files, folders, etc. that the uninstall leaves
    behind?

    One reason ZA rates near the top of my malware list is the failure of
    it's uninstaller to remove bits that continue to interfere with other
    programs....



    --
    XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project:
    http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
     
  8. Percival P. Cassidy

    Percival P. Cassidy Flightless Bird

    On 05/26/10 03:56 pm, SC Tom wrote:

    >> On WinXP I was using the CA Internet Security Suite Plus, and I don't
    >> think there was a day went by without at least one update becoming
    >> available -- and sometimes two or more.
    >>
    >> On Win7 I have installed Microsoft Security Essentials, and often the
    >> updates are days apart. Isn't my machine more vulnerable with MSE than
    >> with the CA product?


    > I installed MSE on my Win7 notebook and found, like Dave, that it
    > updated very day. I felt it worked well while I had it ( I didn't catch
    > anything nasty), but I uninstalled it and went back to ZAISS.
    > It always seemed to take forever to start up, and would give errors
    > about no protection until it finally did. More than half the time, I
    > would have to go in and start it up manually since it seemed to hang on
    > not starting. I had tried it earlier on my step-daughter's XP machine,
    > and it reacted the same way, but I thought maybe it was just an MSE-XP
    > thing.
    > Other than the start-up issue, I was pleased enough with it. But I would
    > rather have protection when Windows starts and I'm ready to go online or
    > do other things, not have to wait for the protection to start or have to
    > start it manually.


    Win7+MSE starts faster than WinXP+CA_ISSP on the same hardware here, but
    I have no idea whether that's because Win7 is faster or because MSE is
    much "slimmer" than CA_ISSP -- maybe a bit of both.

    Perce
     
  9. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns9D849EC1A3A3Cxs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
    > "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote:
    >
    >> I installed MSE on my Win7 notebook and found, like Dave, that it
    >> updated very day. I felt it worked well while I had it ( I didn't
    >> catch anything nasty), but I uninstalled it and went back to
    >> ZAISS. It always seemed to take forever to start up, and would
    >> give errors about no protection until it finally did. More than
    >> half the time, I would have to go in and start it up manually
    >> since it seemed to hang on not starting.

    >
    >
    > Sounds like ZA failed to uninstall as usual. Did you use add/remove
    > programs and then follow their website directions to delete all the
    > registry keys, .dll files, folders, etc. that the uninstall leaves
    > behind?
    >
    > One reason ZA rates near the top of my malware list is the failure of
    > it's uninstaller to remove bits that continue to interfere with other
    > programs....
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
    > The Usenet Improvement Project:
    > http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/


    It wasn't necessary on my stepdaughter's since ZA was never installed. I
    used the ZA removal tool for mine, and it took care of all folders, files,
    etc. MSE still acted the same on both machines.
    --
    SC Tom
     
  10. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:1e6rv595if4kapfedse2f7a8auo620ks80@4ax.com...
    > On Wed, 26 May 2010 16:13:24 -0500, EW <ewyatt__del__@excite.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>I've installed MSSE software on 4 Windows systems, 2 Vistas and 2 XP SP2
    >>machines. I'm convinced it's a fine AV security program and it does as
    >>advertised! However.....
    >>
    >>MSSE takes control shortly after system boot-up and doesn't let go until
    >>it's through with its daily updates and whatever else it does. Even
    >>disabling it in MSCONFIG will not prevent it from its hold on the
    >>system. The effect on system resources is almost tolerable in Vista but
    >>tough on older XP systems.
    >>
    >>Nevertheless, it's an effective AV program.
    >>
    >>EW

    >
    > MSE does not take control so it has no need to let go!
    >
    > I have not noticed any startup delay with MSE on any systems no matter
    > how old or slow they are.
    >
    > Steve
    >
    > --
    > Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com
    > EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. www.easynn.com
    > SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com
    > JustNN. Just Neural Networks. www.justnn.com


    I know what EW is talking about. Once the systems came up and MSE's
    protection started, I guess then it was doing an initial startup scan or
    update or something, because there was a very noticeable slowdown of the
    systems and lack of ability to start anything soon. This would go on for
    anywhere from 3 to 5-6 minutes, every time. Got to the point where I was
    just shutting down once a week and hibernating the rest of the time. Somehow
    I thought it would cohabitate with either version of Windows I tried it on
    :)
    --
    SC Tom
     
  11. Leythos

    Leythos Flightless Bird

    In article <htk2th$cfu$1@news.datemas.de>, ewyatt__del__@excite.com
    says...
    > I've installed MSSE software on 4 Windows systems, 2 Vistas and 2 XP SP2
    > machines. I'm convinced it's a fine AV security program and it does as
    > advertised! However.....
    >


    What do you base your opinion on?

    --
    You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
    voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
    Trust yourself.
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
     
  12. Zaidy036

    Zaidy036 Flightless Bird

    "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote:
    >
    > "Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:1e6rv595if4kapfedse2f7a8auo620ks80@4ax.com...
    > > On Wed, 26 May 2010 16:13:24 -0500, EW <ewyatt__del__@excite.com>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > >>I've installed MSSE software on 4 Windows systems, 2 Vistas and 2 XP
    > > > SP2
    > >>machines. I'm convinced it's a fine AV security program and it does
    > > > as
    > >>advertised! However.....
    > >>
    > >>MSSE takes control shortly after system boot-up and doesn't let go
    > > > until
    > >>it's through with its daily updates and whatever else it does. Even
    > >>disabling it in MSCONFIG will not prevent it from its hold on the
    > >>system. The effect on system resources is almost tolerable in Vista
    > > > but
    > >>tough on older XP systems.
    > >>
    > >>Nevertheless, it's an effective AV program.
    > >>
    > >>EW

    > >
    > > MSE does not take control so it has no need to let go!
    > >
    > > I have not noticed any startup delay with MSE on any systems no
    > > matter
    > > how old or slow they are.
    > >
    > > Steve
    > >
    > > -- > Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com
    > > EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. www.easynn.com
    > > SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com
    > > JustNN. Just Neural Networks. www.justnn.com

    >
    > I know what EW is talking about. Once the systems came up and MSE's
    > protection started, I guess then it was doing an initial startup scan
    > or update or something, because there was a very noticeable slowdown
    > of the systems and lack of ability to start anything soon. This would
    > go on for anywhere from 3 to 5-6 minutes, every time. Got to the point
    > where I was just shutting down once a week and hibernating the rest of
    > the time. Somehow I thought it would cohabitate with either version of
    > Windows I tried it on :)


    Look at what program is actually running and Google it to find out what
    it is associated with.

    If Win Defender was on PC before SE then it must be completely removed
    and might not have been during SE install.
     
  13. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Zaidy036" <Zaidy036NoSpam@optonline.com> wrote in message
    news:1343632832296652631.156138Zaidy036NoSpam-optonline.com@news.eternal-september.org...
    > "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote:
    >>
    >> "Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
    >> news:1e6rv595if4kapfedse2f7a8auo620ks80@4ax.com...
    >> > On Wed, 26 May 2010 16:13:24 -0500, EW <ewyatt__del__@excite.com>
    >> > wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>I've installed MSSE software on 4 Windows systems, 2 Vistas and 2 XP
    >> > > SP2
    >> >>machines. I'm convinced it's a fine AV security program and it does
    >> > > as
    >> >>advertised! However.....
    >> >>
    >> >>MSSE takes control shortly after system boot-up and doesn't let go
    >> > > until
    >> >>it's through with its daily updates and whatever else it does. Even
    >> >>disabling it in MSCONFIG will not prevent it from its hold on the
    >> >>system. The effect on system resources is almost tolerable in Vista
    >> > > but
    >> >>tough on older XP systems.
    >> >>
    >> >>Nevertheless, it's an effective AV program.
    >> >>
    >> >>EW
    >> >
    >> > MSE does not take control so it has no need to let go!
    >> >
    >> > I have not noticed any startup delay with MSE on any systems no
    >> > matter
    >> > how old or slow they are.
    >> >
    >> > Steve
    >> >
    >> > -- > Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com
    >> > EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. www.easynn.com
    >> > SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com
    >> > JustNN. Just Neural Networks. www.justnn.com

    >>
    >> I know what EW is talking about. Once the systems came up and MSE's
    >> protection started, I guess then it was doing an initial startup scan
    >> or update or something, because there was a very noticeable slowdown
    >> of the systems and lack of ability to start anything soon. This would
    >> go on for anywhere from 3 to 5-6 minutes, every time. Got to the point
    >> where I was just shutting down once a week and hibernating the rest of
    >> the time. Somehow I thought it would cohabitate with either version of
    >> Windows I tried it on :)

    >
    > Look at what program is actually running and Google it to find out what
    > it is associated with.
    >
    > If Win Defender was on PC before SE then it must be completely removed
    > and might not have been during SE install.


    It was MSE that was hogging the resources. Defender was never installed on
    one system, and totally uninstalled on the other.

    Believe me, I went through all this at the time. I spent more time on Google
    and MS Support/ TechNet/ newsgroups than I did actually doing anything LOL!
    (Since I'm retired, I had the time.) After trying probably hundreds of
    suggestions and possible fixes, I gave up and went back to ZA.
    --
    SC Tom
     
  14. PeeCee

    PeeCee Flightless Bird

    "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    news:M1fLn.22371$mi.15111@newsfe01.iad...
    >
    > "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.com> wrote in message
    > news:htj9kl$um5$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> On WinXP I was using the CA Internet Security Suite Plus, and I don't
    >> think there was a day went by without at least one update becoming
    >> available -- and sometimes two or more.
    >>
    >> On Win7 I have installed Microsoft Security Essentials, and often the
    >> updates are days apart. Isn't my machine more vulnerable with MSE than
    >> with the CA product?
    >>
    >> Perce

    >
    > I installed MSE on my Win7 notebook and found, like Dave, that it updated
    > very day. I felt it worked well while I had it ( I didn't catch anything
    > nasty), but I uninstalled it and went back to ZAISS.
    > It always seemed to take forever to start up, and would give errors about
    > no protection until it finally did. More than half the time, I would have
    > to go in and start it up manually since it seemed to hang on not starting.
    > I had tried it earlier on my step-daughter's XP machine, and it reacted
    > the same way, but I thought maybe it was just an MSE-XP thing.
    > Other than the start-up issue, I was pleased enough with it. But I would
    > rather have protection when Windows starts and I'm ready to go online or
    > do other things, not have to wait for the protection to start or have to
    > start it manually.
    > --
    > SC Tom
    >


    SC Tom

    Putting it on a lower spec machine with not enough RAM and a well worn OS is
    almost guaranteed to cause MSE to take 10 - 15 minutes to start up.
    Seen it many times on budget XP machines with sub 1GB of RAM.
    Throwing in another 1GB of RAM usually improves it considerably.

    Best
    Paul.
     
  15. Stephen Wolstenholme

    Stephen Wolstenholme Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 28 May 2010 23:49:50 +1200, "PeeCee" <abuse@local.host> wrote:

    >Putting it on a lower spec machine with not enough RAM and a well worn OS is
    >almost guaranteed to cause MSE to take 10 - 15 minutes to start up.
    >Seen it many times on budget XP machines with sub 1GB of RAM.
    >Throwing in another 1GB of RAM usually improves it considerably.
    >


    I don't think that's the cause of slow start up. I use MSE on an old
    XP system with only 512MB of RAM. It takes about a minute to start.
    MSE on my 4GB Windows 7 system is no faster. I still haven't seen this
    slow start problem. It could be something to do with update or scan
    timing.

    Steve

    --
    Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com
    EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. www.easynn.com
    SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com
    JustNN. Just Neural Networks. www.justnn.com
     
  16. Bogey Man

    Bogey Man Flightless Bird

    "Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:hnbvv5t6dpvfcdmeretqr44ejks1vvq886@4ax.com...
    > On Fri, 28 May 2010 23:49:50 +1200, "PeeCee" <abuse@local.host> wrote:
    >
    >>Putting it on a lower spec machine with not enough RAM and a well worn OS
    >>is
    >>almost guaranteed to cause MSE to take 10 - 15 minutes to start up.
    >>Seen it many times on budget XP machines with sub 1GB of RAM.
    >>Throwing in another 1GB of RAM usually improves it considerably.
    >>

    >
    > I don't think that's the cause of slow start up. I use MSE on an old
    > XP system with only 512MB of RAM. It takes about a minute to start.
    > MSE on my 4GB Windows 7 system is no faster. I still haven't seen this
    > slow start problem. It could be something to do with update or scan
    > timing.
    >
    > Steve


    I get the same results with a similar machine.

    If my wireless network is slow for some reason then the boots takes a little
    longer.
     
  17. Stephen Wolstenholme

    Stephen Wolstenholme Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 28 May 2010 09:46:38 -0400, "Bogey Man" <newdoverman@yahoo.ca>
    wrote:

    >
    >
    >"Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
    >news:hnbvv5t6dpvfcdmeretqr44ejks1vvq886@4ax.com...
    >> On Fri, 28 May 2010 23:49:50 +1200, "PeeCee" <abuse@local.host> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Putting it on a lower spec machine with not enough RAM and a well worn OS
    >>>is
    >>>almost guaranteed to cause MSE to take 10 - 15 minutes to start up.
    >>>Seen it many times on budget XP machines with sub 1GB of RAM.
    >>>Throwing in another 1GB of RAM usually improves it considerably.
    >>>

    >>
    >> I don't think that's the cause of slow start up. I use MSE on an old
    >> XP system with only 512MB of RAM. It takes about a minute to start.
    >> MSE on my 4GB Windows 7 system is no faster. I still haven't seen this
    >> slow start problem. It could be something to do with update or scan
    >> timing.
    >>
    >> Steve

    >
    >I get the same results with a similar machine.
    >
    >If my wireless network is slow for some reason then the boots takes a little
    >longer.



    I timed MSE from red to green after a restart on my old slow 512MB
    machine. It took 32 seconds.

    Steve

    --
    Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com
    EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. www.easynn.com
    SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com
    JustNN. Just Neural Networks. www.justnn.com
     
  18. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "PeeCee" <abuse@local.host> wrote in message
    news:htoal0$ags$1@news.albasani.net...
    >
    > "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    > news:M1fLn.22371$mi.15111@newsfe01.iad...
    >>
    >> "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.com> wrote in message
    >> news:htj9kl$um5$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>> On WinXP I was using the CA Internet Security Suite Plus, and I don't
    >>> think there was a day went by without at least one update becoming
    >>> available -- and sometimes two or more.
    >>>
    >>> On Win7 I have installed Microsoft Security Essentials, and often the
    >>> updates are days apart. Isn't my machine more vulnerable with MSE than
    >>> with the CA product?
    >>>
    >>> Perce

    >>
    >> I installed MSE on my Win7 notebook and found, like Dave, that it updated
    >> very day. I felt it worked well while I had it ( I didn't catch anything
    >> nasty), but I uninstalled it and went back to ZAISS.
    >> It always seemed to take forever to start up, and would give errors about
    >> no protection until it finally did. More than half the time, I would have
    >> to go in and start it up manually since it seemed to hang on not
    >> starting. I had tried it earlier on my step-daughter's XP machine, and it
    >> reacted the same way, but I thought maybe it was just an MSE-XP thing.
    >> Other than the start-up issue, I was pleased enough with it. But I would
    >> rather have protection when Windows starts and I'm ready to go online or
    >> do other things, not have to wait for the protection to start or have to
    >> start it manually.
    >> --
    >> SC Tom
    >>

    >
    > SC Tom
    >
    > Putting it on a lower spec machine with not enough RAM and a well worn OS
    > is almost guaranteed to cause MSE to take 10 - 15 minutes to start up.
    > Seen it many times on budget XP machines with sub 1GB of RAM.
    > Throwing in another 1GB of RAM usually improves it considerably.
    >
    > Best
    > Paul.

    Since I have a 2.4GHz processor, 280GB HDD free space, and 4GB RAM in my
    notebook, I wouldn't really consider it a "lower spec machine." I also
    wouldn't consider Windows 7 a "well worn OS." Or did you mean to reply to
    someone else? ;-)
    --
    SC Tom
     
  19. Agent_C

    Agent_C Flightless Bird

    On Wed, 26 May 2010 10:01:56 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"
    <Nobody@NotMyISP.com> wrote:

    >On WinXP I was using the CA Internet Security Suite Plus, and I don't
    >think there was a day went by without at least one update becoming
    >available -- and sometimes two or more.
    >
    >On Win7 I have installed Microsoft Security Essentials, and often the
    >updates are days apart. Isn't my machine more vulnerable with MSE than
    >with the CA product?
    >
    >Perce


    AFAIC, Microsoft Security Essentials is a complete game changer.

    Better than McAfee or Norton; with the HUGE advantage of not being a
    performance hog.

    Oh yeah, it's free too.

    A_C
     
  20. Dave

    Dave Flightless Bird

    "PeeCee" <abuse@local.host> wrote in message
    news:htoal0$ags$1@news.albasani.net...
    snip
    > SC Tom
    >
    > Putting it on a lower spec machine with not enough RAM and a well worn OS
    > is almost guaranteed to cause MSE to take 10 - 15 minutes to start up.
    > Seen it many times on budget XP machines with sub 1GB of RAM.
    > Throwing in another 1GB of RAM usually improves it considerably.
    >
    > Best
    > Paul.


    I put MSE on my brother's laptop that had 512MB RAM, running XP and MSE ran
    and started fine. After changing to 1GB RAM and refreshing the HD w/XP Pro
    w/SP3 I don't see any difference in how MSE runs or starts up. Both seemed
    to be the same as my boxes w/Win 7, and when I ran MSE on Vista I didn't
    have any problems. There must be some other issue causing the problem.
    Dave
     

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