I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.

I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to connect and I
have sent 2 different messages on differet groups (not at the same time) and
they are getting taken off the server.

I know they are being taken off the server because one of the times the
message was there, then an hour later it was gone.

My reader said the message was no longer on the server.

There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.

Does anyone know why this would be happening?

Thanks,

Tom

 

Your post re Perfmon dated 03/04/2010 is still there

"tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
newsRUVmrN1KHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.
>
> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to connect and I
> have sent 2 different messages on differet groups (not at the same time)
> and they are getting taken off the server.
>
> I know they are being taken off the server because one of the times the
> message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>
> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>
> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.
>
> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
>

 

Right.

But where is the one I did yesterday that is a response to that one.

Also, in the microsoft.public.sqlserver.programming group, I have a response
that I gave (the one I mention disappeared) to John Bell (twice) is gone (it
was there then it wasn't).

Tom

"DL" <invalid@nowhere.com> wrote in message
newsWF9aCO1KHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Your post re Perfmon dated 03/04/2010 is still there
>
> "tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> newsRUVmrN1KHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.
>>
>> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to connect and I
>> have sent 2 different messages on differet groups (not at the same time)
>> and they are getting taken off the server.
>>
>> I know they are being taken off the server because one of the times the
>> message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>>
>> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>>
>> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.
>>
>> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>

 

See
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/9a597161bdff0764

tshad wrote:
> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.
>
> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to connect and I
> have sent 2 different messages on differet groups (not at the same time)
> and
> they are getting taken off the server.
>
> I know they are being taken off the server because one of the times the
> message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>
> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>
> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.
>
> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:euK3wvO1KHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> See
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/9a597161bdff0764
>

That may be the case.

But I still can't get my message to be posted - yet other messages I post
get there fine. So it seems to be something with this message. I have seen
this before where I have posted the same message 3 and 4 times and it
doesn't get posted yet other message I post at the same time do.

Tom
> tshad wrote:
>> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.
>>
>> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to connect and I
>> have sent 2 different messages on differet groups (not at the same time)
>> and
>> they are getting taken off the server.
>>
>> I know they are being taken off the server because one of the times the
>> message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>>
>> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>>
>> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.
>>
>> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom
>

 

Nothing you or anyone else (other than the idiots running the newsservers)
can do about it.

tshad wrote:
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:euK3wvO1KHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> See
>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/9a597161bdff0764
>>
>
> That may be the case.
>
> But I still can't get my message to be posted - yet other messages I post
> get there fine. So it seems to be something with this message. I have
> seen
> this before where I have posted the same message 3 and 4 times and it
> doesn't get posted yet other message I post at the same time do.
>
> Tom
>> tshad wrote:
>>> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.
>>>
>>> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to connect and
>>> I
>>> have sent 2 different messages on differet groups (not at the same time)
>>> and
>>> they are getting taken off the server.
>>>
>>> I know they are being taken off the server because one of the times the
>>> message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>>>
>>> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>>>
>>> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tom

 

"tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote in
newsRUVmrN1KHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.
>
> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to
> connect and I have sent 2 different messages on differet groups
> (not at the same time) and they are getting taken off the server.
>
> I know they are being taken off the server because one of the
> times the message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>
> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>
> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.
>
> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
>

It could be your newsreader.
With some news readers, once you read an article it is marked as "read"
and it will not display it again. So the first time you read your post
it is there but the 2nd time it isn't. Some news readers have an
option to show previously read articles. Check your newsreader manual
or help file.

HTH,
John

 

"John Wunderlich" <jwunderlich@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D517F84D229wunderpsdrscray@138.125.254.103...
> "tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote in
> newsRUVmrN1KHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>
>> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.
>>
>> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to
>> connect and I have sent 2 different messages on differet groups
>> (not at the same time) and they are getting taken off the server.
>>
>> I know they are being taken off the server because one of the
>> times the message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>>
>> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>>
>> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.
>>
>> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>
> It could be your newsreader.
> With some news readers, once you read an article it is marked as "read"
> and it will not display it again. So the first time you read your post
> it is there but the 2nd time it isn't. Some news readers have an
> option to show previously read articles. Check your newsreader manual
> or help file.
I am using Outlook Express.

That may be the case, but I can't get the message from any of my machines.

Even changing the content slightly didn't help.

Besides the one I mentioned before, was there before and then it showed the
article but then put a line through it saying it wasn't on the server
anymore.

Then it quit showing it.

Thanks,

Tom

>
> HTH,
> John

 

Because Pig-Bear thinks that you are a troll. You have to accept
that all Microsoft Valuable Pigs (or MVPs for short) hanging
around here thinks that they have a god given rights to abuse,
bully and insult anybody who posts messages here. Their first
line of attack is that "It is your fault that you are stupid
enough not to know anything about computers"

Now having said this, you can do something about this. You can
complain to Microsoft about this or you can use Google Groups to
post your messages. Google groups have a system to archive all
messages permanently and so people can always read them whenever
they want to.

Alternatively you could use news://nntp.aioe.org but this too is
not reliable IMHO.

hth


tshad wrote:
>
> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.
>
> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to connect and I
> have sent 2 different messages on differet groups (not at the same time) and
> they are getting taken off the server.
>
> I know they are being taken off the server because one of the times the
> message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>
> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>
> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.
>
> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom

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Tools/Options/Maintenance in OE

There you can monkey around with clearing all messages
downloaded , etc. and if you use the correct settings can "start
all over" in downloading of messages providing that they are
still on the server.

Play around with different settings until you get it right...we
can't tell you how YOU want things to be. Also the HELP function
in OE will help you considerably provided you READ it.

=====

"tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:et9JuUQ1KHA.5536@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "John Wunderlich" <jwunderlich@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D517F84D229wunderpsdrscray@138.125.254.103...
>> "tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote in
>> newsRUVmrN1KHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the
>>> server.
>>>
>>> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to
>>> connect and I have sent 2 different messages on differet
>>> groups
>>> (not at the same time) and they are getting taken off the
>>> server.
>>>
>>> I know they are being taken off the server because one of
>>> the
>>> times the message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>>>
>>> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>>>
>>> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It could be your newsreader.
>> With some news readers, once you read an article it is marked
>> as "read"
>> and it will not display it again. So the first time you read
>> your post
>> it is there but the 2nd time it isn't. Some news readers
>> have an
>> option to show previously read articles. Check your
>> newsreader manual
>> or help file.
> I am using Outlook Express.
>
> That may be the case, but I can't get the message from any of
> my machines.
>
> Even changing the content slightly didn't help.
>
> Besides the one I mentioned before, was there before and then
> it showed the article but then put a line through it saying it
> wasn't on the server anymore.
>
> Then it quit showing it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
>>
>> HTH,
>> John
>
>

 

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:20:05 -0700, "tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote:

>
>Right.
>
>But where is the one I did yesterday that is a response to that one.
>
>Also, in the microsoft.public.sqlserver.programming group, I have a response
>that I gave (the one I mention disappeared) to John Bell (twice) is gone (it
>was there then it wasn't).

You use eternal september. I figured as much. They took lots of
posts off the server a few days ago, including 6 of mine.



>Tom
>
>"DL" <invalid@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>newsWF9aCO1KHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Your post re Perfmon dated 03/04/2010 is still there
>>
>> "tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
>> newsRUVmrN1KHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.
>>>
>>> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to connect and I
>>> have sent 2 different messages on differet groups (not at the same time)
>>> and they are getting taken off the server.
>>>
>>> I know they are being taken off the server because one of the times the
>>> message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>>>
>>> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>>>
>>> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>

 

tshad wrote:
> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.
>
> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to connect and I
> have sent 2 different messages on differet groups (not at the same time) and
> they are getting taken off the server.
>
> I know they are being taken off the server because one of the times the
> message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>
> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>
> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.
>
> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom

Click "View", "Current View", "Show all messages".

--
Joe =o)

 

mm wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:20:05 -0700, "tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>> Right.
>>
>> But where is the one I did yesterday that is a response to that one.
>>
>> Also, in the microsoft.public.sqlserver.programming group, I have a response
>> that I gave (the one I mention disappeared) to John Bell (twice) is gone (it
>> was there then it wasn't).

>
> You use eternal september. I figured as much. They took lots of
> posts off the server a few days ago, including 6 of mine.
>

Ray is moving the E-S server to a new piece of hardware, and doing it
in stages.

http://groups.google.ca/group/eternal-september.support/msg/6d33ef808339bc8a?dmode=source

I noticed an issue as well, where some articles in my news reader
are no longer accessible. Not many, but a few here and there.

Paul

 

In newsRUVmrN1KHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl,
tshad <tfs@dslextreme.com> typed:
> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the
> server.
> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to
> connect and I have sent 2 different messages on differet
> groups (not at the same time) and they are getting taken
> off the server.
> I know they are being taken off the server because one of
> the times the message was there, then an hour later it was
> gone.
> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>
> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is
> wrong.
> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom

You are probably set up to Hide Read Messages and/or Remove
From Server after reading them. Go thru the options for your
un-named program & see what you can find.

 

In newsgiEOzO1KHA.5972@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
tshad <tfs@dslextreme.com> typed:
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:euK3wvO1KHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> See
>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/9a597161bdff0764
>>
>
> That may be the case.
>
> But I still can't get my message to be posted - yet other
> messages I post get there fine. So it seems to be
> something with this message. I have seen this before where
> I have posted the same message 3 and 4 times and it doesn't
> get posted yet other message I post at the same time do.
> Tom
>> tshad wrote:
>>> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the
>>> server. I have been trying to find out why I can not get
>>> perfmon
>>> to connect and I have sent 2 different messages on
>>> differet groups (not at the same time) and
>>> they are getting taken off the server.
>>>
>>> I know they are being taken off the server because one of
>>> the times the message was there, then an hour later it
>>> was gone. My reader said the message was no longer on the
>>> server.
>>>
>>> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something
>>> is wrong. Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tom

Are you posting in HTML maybe? Try switching to Plain Text if
you are, and see if that doesn't help.

HTH,

Twayne`

 

In news:%23RsNCLR1KHA.5212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
Doug W. <stand@attention> typed:
> Tools/Options/Maintenance in OE
>
> There you can monkey around with clearing all messages
> downloaded , etc. and if you use the correct settings can
> "start all over" in downloading of messages providing that
> they are still on the server.
>
> Play around with different settings until you get it
> right...we can't tell you how YOU want things to be. Also
> the HELP function in OE will help you considerably provided
> you READ it.
> =====
>
> "tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> news:et9JuUQ1KHA.5536@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "John Wunderlich" <jwunderlich@lycos.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D517F84D229wunderpsdrscray@138.125.254.103...
>>> "tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote in
>>> newsRUVmrN1KHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the
>>>> server.
>>>>
>>>> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon
>>>> to connect and I have sent 2 different messages on
>>>> differet groups
>>>> (not at the same time) and they are getting taken off the
>>>> server.
>>>>
>>>> I know they are being taken off the server because one of
>>>> the
>>>> times the message was there, then an hour later it was
>>>> gone. My reader said the message was no longer on the
>>>> server.
>>>>
>>>> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something
>>>> is wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It could be your newsreader.
>>> With some news readers, once you read an article it is
>>> marked as "read"
>>> and it will not display it again. So the first time you
>>> read your post
>>> it is there but the 2nd time it isn't. Some news readers
>>> have an
>>> option to show previously read articles. Check your
>>> newsreader manual
>>> or help file.
>> I am using Outlook Express.
>>
>> That may be the case, but I can't get the message from any
>> of my machines.
>>
>> Even changing the content slightly didn't help.
>>
>> Besides the one I mentioned before, was there before and
>> then it showed the article but then put a line through it
>> saying it wasn't on the server anymore.
>>
>> Then it quit showing it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>> John

Another way is to create another OE account; that will see no
read messages at first and will download all that exist on the
server.

Also I do recall a message about the server move possibly
upsetting posts for a few days but they are all supposed to
come back IIRC.

 

"mm" <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:0u2lr51hro7rksqseablcc4ko2b8tko7h3@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:20:05 -0700, "tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Right.
>>
>>But where is the one I did yesterday that is a response to that one.
>>
>>Also, in the microsoft.public.sqlserver.programming group, I have a
>>response
>>that I gave (the one I mention disappeared) to John Bell (twice) is gone
>>(it
>>was there then it wasn't).
>
> You use eternal september. I figured as much. They took lots of
> posts off the server a few days ago, including 6 of mine.
>
>
Eternal september?

Tom

>
>>Tom
>>
>>"DL" <invalid@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>newsWF9aCO1KHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Your post re Perfmon dated 03/04/2010 is still there
>>>
>>> "tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
>>> newsRUVmrN1KHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.
>>>>
>>>> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to connect and
>>>> I
>>>> have sent 2 different messages on differet groups (not at the same
>>>> time)
>>>> and they are getting taken off the server.
>>>>
>>>> I know they are being taken off the server because one of the times the
>>>> message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>>>>
>>>> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>>>>
>>>> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

 

"Elmo" <elmogeek@xxx.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23TWSrAT1KHA.264@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> tshad wrote:
>> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.
>>
>> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to connect and I
>> have sent 2 different messages on differet groups (not at the same time)
>> and
>> they are getting taken off the server.
>>
>> I know they are being taken off the server because one of the times the
>> message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>>
>> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>>
>> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.
>>
>> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom
>
> Click "View", "Current View", "Show all messages".

Already set that way.

Thanks,

Tom

>
> --
> Joe =o)

 

"Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
newsyGPDpb1KHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> In newsRUVmrN1KHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl,
> tshad <tfs@dslextreme.com> typed:
>> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the
>> server.
>> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to
>> connect and I have sent 2 different messages on differet
>> groups (not at the same time) and they are getting taken
>> off the server.
>> I know they are being taken off the server because one of
>> the times the message was there, then an hour later it was
>> gone.
>> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>>
>> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is
>> wrong.
>> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom
>
> You are probably set up to Hide Read Messages and/or Remove From Server
> after reading them. Go thru the options for your un-named program & see
> what you can find.
Actually I am not.

I am set to Show All Messages.

Also, I don't have the problem with my other messages, only this particular
on or thread.

Thanks,

Tom
>

 

On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:12:57 -0700, "tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote:

>
>"mm" <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>news:0u2lr51hro7rksqseablcc4ko2b8tko7h3@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:20:05 -0700, "tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Right.
>>>
>>>But where is the one I did yesterday that is a response to that one.
>>>
>>>Also, in the microsoft.public.sqlserver.programming group, I have a
>>>response
>>>that I gave (the one I mention disappeared) to John Bell (twice) is gone
>>>(it
>>>was there then it wasn't).
>>
>> You use eternal september. I figured as much. They took lots of
>> posts off the server a few days ago, including 6 of mine.
>>
>>
>Eternal september?

Oops. I'm using eternal september. That's why I saw it in the
headers. Never mind!

I guess I saw what I expected to see instead of looking closely.


>Tom
>
>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>"DL" <invalid@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>newsWF9aCO1KHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Your post re Perfmon dated 03/04/2010 is still there
>>>>
>>>> "tshad" <tfs@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
>>>> newsRUVmrN1KHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I am curious why my messages are getting taken off the server.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been trying to find out why I can not get perfmon to connect and
>>>>> I
>>>>> have sent 2 different messages on differet groups (not at the same
>>>>> time)
>>>>> and they are getting taken off the server.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know they are being taken off the server because one of the times the
>>>>> message was there, then an hour later it was gone.
>>>>>
>>>>> My reader said the message was no longer on the server.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no inflammatory language but clearly something is wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know why this would be happening?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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