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Merging partitions

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Bill in Co., Feb 27, 2010.

  1. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Flightless Bird

    I was wondering if this was even possible, while retaining all date and time
    stamps, even with a third party program. Let me be more specific:

    Suppose you have two partitions, D: and E:, and want to combine them into
    one partition, *AND want to preserve ALL date and time stamps of all the
    previous directories and files contained within each of the two partitions*.
    (I don't think this is possible even with the third party apps, but I'm not
    sure).

    NOTE: simply creating a new partition and copying or merging the data is
    NOT acceptable, because obviously that will not preserve the existing
    date-time stamps of the previous directories.
     
  2. Pegasus [MVP]

    Pegasus [MVP] Flightless Bird

    "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:-OB3trCDuKHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > I was wondering if this was even possible, while retaining all date and
    > time stamps, even with a third party program. Let me be more specific:
    >
    > Suppose you have two partitions, D: and E:, and want to combine them into
    > one partition, *AND want to preserve ALL date and time stamps of all the
    > previous directories and files contained within each of the two
    > partitions*. (I don't think this is possible even with the third party
    > apps, but I'm not sure).
    >
    > NOTE: simply creating a new partition and copying or merging the data is
    > NOT acceptable, because obviously that will not preserve the existing
    > date-time stamps of the previous directories.


    Not necessarily. If you use robocopy
    (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...69-57FF-4AE7-96EE-B18C4790CFFD&displaylang=en)
    to copy the folders then you can use the /dcopy:t switch to preserve the
    folder dates.
     
  3. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Flightless Bird

    Pegasus [MVP] wrote:
    > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:-OB3trCDuKHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> I was wondering if this was even possible, while retaining all date and
    >> time stamps, even with a third party program. Let me be more specific:
    >>
    >> Suppose you have two partitions, D: and E:, and want to combine them into
    >> one partition, *AND want to preserve ALL date and time stamps of all the
    >> previous directories and files contained within each of the two
    >> partitions*. (I don't think this is possible even with the third party
    >> apps, but I'm not sure).
    >>
    >> NOTE: simply creating a new partition and copying or merging the data is
    >> NOT acceptable, because obviously that will not preserve the existing
    >> date-time stamps of the previous directories.

    >
    > Not necessarily. If you use robocopy
    > (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...69-57FF-4AE7-96EE-B18C4790CFFD&displaylang=en)
    > to copy the folders then you can use the /dcopy:t switch to preserve the
    > folder dates.


    Good point. I've used robocopy before, and perhaps that's the only way to
    get around this. Well actually, I have used EasyRoboCopy before, so you
    don't even need to do it at the command line. Just check the right boxes.
    :)

    But AFAIK, this operation apparently can't be done with any Partition
    Manager programs with a selection like "Merge Partitions", for example.
     
  4. Maurice

    Maurice Flightless Bird

    "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:-OB3trCDuKHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >I was wondering if this was even possible, while retaining all date and
    >time stamps, even with a third party program. Let me be more specific:
    >
    > Suppose you have two partitions, D: and E:, and want to combine them into
    > one partition, *AND want to preserve ALL date and time stamps of all the
    > previous directories and files contained within each of the two
    > partitions*. (I don't think this is possible even with the third party
    > apps, but I'm not sure).
    >
    > NOTE: simply creating a new partition and copying or merging the data is
    > NOT acceptable, because obviously that will not preserve the existing
    > date-time stamps of the previous directories.
    >


    check http://www.partition-tool.com/

    Maurice
     
  5. dadiOH

    dadiOH Flightless Bird

    Bill in Co. wrote:
    > I was wondering if this was even possible, while retaining all date
    > and time stamps, even with a third party program. Let me be more
    > specific:
    > Suppose you have two partitions, D: and E:, and want to combine them
    > into one partition, *AND want to preserve ALL date and time stamps of
    > all the previous directories and files contained within each of the
    > two partitions*. (I don't think this is possible even with the third
    > party apps, but I'm not sure).


    Though I've never had the need to merge partitions I have resized them. All
    dates were preserved in the resizing and I would expect that to be true if
    merged as there is no need or reason for the program being used to change
    the dates, merely move something as needed. FWIW, I use Paragon Hard Drive
    Manager.
    _____________

    > NOTE: simply creating a new partition and copying or merging the
    > data is NOT acceptable, because obviously that will not preserve the
    > existing date-time stamps of the previous directories.


    As Pegasus said, that isn't necessarily true. Many programs will do that
    including Karen's Replicator

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  6. Terry R.

    Terry R. Flightless Bird

    On 2/27/2010 11:23 PM On a whim, Bill in Co. pounded out on the keyboard

    > Pegasus [MVP] wrote:
    >> "Bill in Co."<not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >> news:-OB3trCDuKHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>> I was wondering if this was even possible, while retaining all date and
    >>> time stamps, even with a third party program. Let me be more specific:
    >>>
    >>> Suppose you have two partitions, D: and E:, and want to combine them into
    >>> one partition, *AND want to preserve ALL date and time stamps of all the
    >>> previous directories and files contained within each of the two
    >>> partitions*. (I don't think this is possible even with the third party
    >>> apps, but I'm not sure).
    >>>
    >>> NOTE: simply creating a new partition and copying or merging the data is
    >>> NOT acceptable, because obviously that will not preserve the existing
    >>> date-time stamps of the previous directories.

    >>
    >> Not necessarily. If you use robocopy
    >> (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...69-57FF-4AE7-96EE-B18C4790CFFD&displaylang=en)
    >> to copy the folders then you can use the /dcopy:t switch to preserve the
    >> folder dates.

    >
    > Good point. I've used robocopy before, and perhaps that's the only way to
    > get around this. Well actually, I have used EasyRoboCopy before, so you
    > don't even need to do it at the command line. Just check the right boxes.
    > :)
    >
    > But AFAIK, this operation apparently can't be done with any Partition
    > Manager programs with a selection like "Merge Partitions", for example.
    >
    >


    Hi Bill,

    I used Partition Magic for years and it had a Merge function that worked
    well. If it's just data drives, it's best. You don't want to merge
    drives with apps installed because the registry doesn't get properly
    updated with the new drive letter. PM uses a utility to check shortcuts
    for drive changes after a merge, but not the registry.

    But have a good backup before doing anything...


    Terry R.
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    Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
     
  7. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:-OB3trCDuKHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >I was wondering if this was even possible, while retaining all date and
    >time stamps, even with a third party program. Let me be more
    >specific:
    >
    > Suppose you have two partitions, D: and E:, and want to combine them
    > into one partition, *AND want to preserve ALL date and time stamps of
    > all the previous directories and files contained within each of the
    > two partitions*. (I don't think this is possible even with the third
    > party apps, but I'm not sure).
    >
    > NOTE: simply creating a new partition and copying or merging the data
    > is NOT acceptable, because obviously that will not preserve the
    > existing date-time stamps of the previous directories.


    Are you sure the partitioning programs will change the time stamp? I've
    used Partition Magic in the past, and now Acronis True Image, and I
    don't remember seeing any time stamps get changed. I've not used the
    "Merge" option....when PM first came out with its Merge option, it often
    failed....but I have many times resized partitions and moved them, as
    well as copying to a new drive, and never had any time stamps changed.
    --
    Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    A+
    http://dts-l.net/
     
  8. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Flightless Bird

    glee wrote:
    > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:-OB3trCDuKHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> I was wondering if this was even possible, while retaining all date and
    >> time stamps, even with a third party program. Let me be more
    >> specific:
    >>
    >> Suppose you have two partitions, D: and E:, and want to combine them
    >> into one partition, *AND want to preserve ALL date and time stamps of
    >> all the previous directories and files contained within each of the
    >> two partitions*. (I don't think this is possible even with the third
    >> party apps, but I'm not sure).
    >>
    >> NOTE: simply creating a new partition and copying or merging the data
    >> is NOT acceptable, because obviously that will not preserve the
    >> existing date-time stamps of the previous directories.

    >
    > Are you sure the partitioning programs will change the time stamp? I've
    > used Partition Magic in the past, and now Acronis True Image, and I
    > don't remember seeing any time stamps get changed. I've not used the
    > "Merge" option....


    But see, and that's specifically what I'm addressing. (Your other points
    are valid).

    > when PM first came out with its Merge option, it often
    > failed....but I have many times resized partitions and moved them, as
    > well as copying to a new drive, and never had any time stamps changed.
    > --
    > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    > A+
    > http://dts-l.net/
     
  9. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Flightless Bird

    dadiOH wrote:
    > Bill in Co. wrote:
    >> I was wondering if this was even possible, while retaining all date
    >> and time stamps, even with a third party program. Let me be more
    >> specific:
    >> Suppose you have two partitions, D: and E:, and want to combine them
    >> into one partition, *AND want to preserve ALL date and time stamps of
    >> all the previous directories and files contained within each of the
    >> two partitions*. (I don't think this is possible even with the third
    >> party apps, but I'm not sure).

    >
    > Though I've never had the need to merge partitions I have resized them.
    > All
    > dates were preserved in the resizing


    As is expected.

    > and I would expect that to be true if merged


    But I'm not so sure that is necessarily true. It's a different operation.

    > as there is no need or reason for the program being used to change
    > the dates, merely move something as needed. FWIW, I use Paragon Hard
    > Drive Manager.
    > _____________
    >
    >> NOTE: simply creating a new partition and copying or merging the
    >> data is NOT acceptable, because obviously that will not preserve the
    >> existing date-time stamps of the previous directories.

    >
    > As Pegasus said, that isn't necessarily true. Many programs will do that
    > including Karen's Replicator


    But again that's ancilliary to my point about *partitioning programs* being
    able to do it.

    > --
    >
    > dadiOH
    > ____________________________
    >
    > dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
    > ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
    > LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
    > Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
     
  10. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Flightless Bird

    Maurice wrote:
    > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:-OB3trCDuKHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> I was wondering if this was even possible, while retaining all date and
    >> time stamps, even with a third party program. Let me be more specific:
    >>
    >> Suppose you have two partitions, D: and E:, and want to combine them into
    >> one partition, *AND want to preserve ALL date and time stamps of all the
    >> previous directories and files contained within each of the two
    >> partitions*. (I don't think this is possible even with the third party
    >> apps, but I'm not sure).
    >>
    >> NOTE: simply creating a new partition and copying or merging the data is
    >> NOT acceptable, because obviously that will not preserve the existing
    >> date-time stamps of the previous directories.
    >>

    >
    > check http://www.partition-tool.com/
    >
    > Maurice


    Thanks. I'm aware of their product, but I don't think you'll find my
    specific issue addressed in their FAQ's. (I currently have BING (BootitNG)
    and Partition Magic here)
     
  11. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:u8xku$KuKHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > glee wrote:
    >> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >> news:-OB3trCDuKHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>> I was wondering if this was even possible, while retaining all date
    >>> and
    >>> time stamps, even with a third party program. Let me be more
    >>> specific:
    >>>
    >>> Suppose you have two partitions, D: and E:, and want to combine them
    >>> into one partition, *AND want to preserve ALL date and time stamps
    >>> of
    >>> all the previous directories and files contained within each of the
    >>> two partitions*. (I don't think this is possible even with the third
    >>> party apps, but I'm not sure).
    >>>
    >>> NOTE: simply creating a new partition and copying or merging the
    >>> data
    >>> is NOT acceptable, because obviously that will not preserve the
    >>> existing date-time stamps of the previous directories.

    >>
    >> Are you sure the partitioning programs will change the time stamp?
    >> I've
    >> used Partition Magic in the past, and now Acronis True Image, and I
    >> don't remember seeing any time stamps get changed. I've not used the
    >> "Merge" option....

    >
    > But see, and that's specifically what I'm addressing. (Your other
    > points are valid).
    >
    >> when PM first came out with its Merge option, it often
    >> failed....but I have many times resized partitions and moved them, as
    >> well as copying to a new drive, and never had any time stamps
    >> changed.


    So why do you think Merge will change all your time stamps when Move or
    Resize don't? Have you tried it by making a couple of tiny test
    partitions to play with? Have you already seen the behaviour occur
    using Merge and need an alternative? Or are you concerned about it but
    just don't know?

    I would shrink a partition temporarily, make two small ones in the
    unallocated space, start Windows and copy some files to each and make
    some new files, then go back and merge them and see what changes if
    anything.

    OR, you could contact support for the program or check for forums for
    the program, and find out from someone who knows.

    That's what I'd do, anyway.
    --
    Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    A+
    http://dts-l.net/
     
  12. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Flightless Bird

    glee wrote:
    > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:u8xku$KuKHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >> glee wrote:
    >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:-OB3trCDuKHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>> I was wondering if this was even possible, while retaining all date
    >>>> and time stamps, even with a third party program. Let me be more
    >>>> specific:
    >>>>
    >>>> Suppose you have two partitions, D: and E:, and want to combine them
    >>>> into one partition, *AND want to preserve ALL date and time stamps
    >>>> of all the previous directories and files contained within each of the
    >>>> two partitions*. (I don't think this is possible even with the third
    >>>> party apps, but I'm not sure).
    >>>>
    >>>> NOTE: simply creating a new partition and copying or merging the
    >>>> data is NOT acceptable, because obviously that will not preserve the
    >>>> existing date-time stamps of the previous directories.
    >>>
    >>> Are you sure the partitioning programs will change the time stamp?
    >>> I've
    >>> used Partition Magic in the past, and now Acronis True Image, and I
    >>> don't remember seeing any time stamps get changed. I've not used the
    >>> "Merge" option....

    >>
    >> But see, and that's specifically what I'm addressing. (Your other
    >> points are valid).
    >>
    >>> when PM first came out with its Merge option, it often
    >>> failed....but I have many times resized partitions and moved them, as
    >>> well as copying to a new drive, and never had any time stamps
    >>> changed.

    >
    > So why do you think Merge will change all your time stamps when Move or
    > Resize don't?


    It's a completely different operation.

    > Have you tried it by making a couple of tiny test partitions to play with?


    I could do that, but it's a bit messy (in messing up the drive assignments
    and what-not) and would prefer not to, until and unless I need to. So I was
    just curious.

    > Have you already seen the behaviour occur
    > using Merge and need an alternative? Or are you concerned about it but
    > just don't know?


    The latter. I was just interested in it at this point, as the need hasn't
    arisen, just yet.

    > I would shrink a partition temporarily, make two small ones in the
    > unallocated space, start Windows and copy some files to each and make
    > some new files, then go back and merge them and see what changes if
    > anything.
    >
    > OR, you could contact support for the program or check for forums for
    > the program, and find out from someone who knows.


    Well, that's why I was asking here - I just figured at least someone in here
    knew already from firsthand experience.
     
  13. dadiOH

    dadiOH Flightless Bird

    Bill in Co. wrote:
    > dadiOH wrote:


    >>
    >>> NOTE: simply creating a new partition and copying or merging the
    >>> data is NOT acceptable, because obviously that will not preserve the
    >>> existing date-time stamps of the previous directories.

    >>
    >> As Pegasus said, that isn't necessarily true. Many programs will do
    >> that including Karen's Replicator

    >
    > But again that's ancilliary to my point about *partitioning programs*
    > being able to do it.


    It is pertinent to your note...the one about creating a new partition and
    copying data to it.

    --

    dadiOH
    ____________________________

    dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
    ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
    LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
    Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
     

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