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Memo for Windows7.general Posters

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Pete S

Flightless Bird
Re: Memo for Windows7.general Posters (yeah, more OT garbage)

"Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "I have been a Provo now for 15 years or more,
> with Armalites and mortarbombs I thought I knew the score
> But now we have a weapon we've never used before
> The Brits are looking worried, and they're going to worry more
>
> Tiocfaidh ár lá, sing up the 'RA
> SAM missiles, in the sky
>
> I started off with petrol bombs, and throwing bricks and stones,
> with a hundred more lads like me, I never was alone
> But soon I learned that bricks and stones won't drive the Brits away
> It wasn't long before I joined the IRA"
>
> Great song, eh? I have Athenrye's recording, from one of the times they
> came to my city. Very nice guys, really.
>



Ow happy days, brings back my army days that one does.
Derry in 77 and Bleek in 79, I do love the old rebel songs from both sides.
You do know what three things it takes to make a great Irish rebel song
don't you ?


1- brave
2- outgunned
3- dead


Got a great one about when the SAS took out the gang in Gibraltar,
also this one which I think every squady had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9C4fj5CfvA
As per the quote on the comments page I also think its so ironic that for
many years, the IRA was funded by practically America (not blaming
anyone)?, and it only stopped when America declared war on terror because
then the IRA had no were to get their guns/Bombs From.

By the way, If I met Terry Prachett ( lives just down the road), I'll tell
him that you like his books.

--

Pete S
 
L

Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"Barking Mad" <nope@falseaddress.com> wrote in message
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> "Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
> news:hk74l3$q32$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Barking Mad" <nope@falseaddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:3oj9n.33852$Ym4.16977@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>> "Death" <death@rottingcorpses.x-x> wrote in message
>>> news:4b65b169$1@news.x-privat.org...
>>>> Richard Tanner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people think it's not the United State *of* America but the
>>>>>> United
>>>>>> States *is* America.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most Yanks?
>>>>
>>>> We also belive that the Sun & Moon only appear in our sky.
>>>> As it should.
>>>>
>>> Ah ! the "Sun and Moon " is singular and the sky is "our"'s , Kinda
>>> makes you proud don't it.

>>
>> Is this intended to mean anything? Looks like gibberish, eh?

>
> Yes your Lordship it was meant to mean something - clearly I failed
> miserably. I prostrate myself before you in token of the humiliation I
> feel for my failure.


What a damned shame. I suppose it's too late for you to grow a sense of
humor, eh? Snark, snark, snark.

At any rate, since you fail to grasp the hilarity of your words, allow me to
clarify. Your feeble attempt to correct Death is dhammd funny. Before you
do so again, perhaps you could take the time to learn English? Heh. Oh,
and since you have difficulty parsing English, let me make it clearer.
"our" relates to "we" (you know, at the beginning of the sentence), NOT to
"sun and moon". Also, you posted «the sky is "our"'s», which IS GIBBERISH,
son. See, "our" is correct, in that context, while "ours" would be correct,
if he'd said something like "the sky is ours". Either way, you're wrong,
wrong, wrongity wrong. Heheh.

I HAD expected too much of you, apparently. 'Tis a pity, that you are proud
to parade your ignorance before the world.

> In future I will remember that in posting here we expose ourselves to the
> gaze of your fearsome critical scrutiny and the incisive erudition of
> your omniscient judgment . Clearly, this was a grave error and one from
> which I will certainly learn.


I think it unlikely that you'll ever learn anything. You decided to be
offended, when no offense was intended.

>>> Still what does it matter ? - as you so clearly point out we'll all be
>>> dead soon anyway.

>>
>> Soon? How soon?

>
> Sooner for me than you I would imagine. However, I was referring to to
> "Death" 's signature tag .


D'oh! You may just want to do something about your mental fog. You jump to
conclusion after conclusion, missing the mark every time.
 
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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
Re: Memo for Windows7.general Posters (yeah, more OT garbage)

"Pete S" <a@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:BKX9n.34671$Ym4.23233@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> "Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
> news:hk7jkn$61c$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "I have been a Provo now for 15 years or more,
>> with Armalites and mortarbombs I thought I knew the score
>> But now we have a weapon we've never used before
>> The Brits are looking worried, and they're going to worry more
>>
>> Tiocfaidh ár lá, sing up the 'RA
>> SAM missiles, in the sky
>>
>> I started off with petrol bombs, and throwing bricks and stones,
>> with a hundred more lads like me, I never was alone
>> But soon I learned that bricks and stones won't drive the Brits away
>> It wasn't long before I joined the IRA"
>>
>> Great song, eh? I have Athenrye's recording, from one of the times they
>> came to my city. Very nice guys, really.
>>

>
>
> Ow happy days, brings back my army days that one does.
> Derry in 77 and Bleek in 79, I do love the old rebel songs from both
> sides.
> You do know what three things it takes to make a great Irish rebel song
> don't you ?
>
>
> 1- brave
> 2- outgunned
> 3- dead
>
>
> Got a great one about when the SAS took out the gang in Gibraltar,
> also this one which I think every squady had
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9C4fj5CfvA
> As per the quote on the comments page I also think its so ironic that for
> many years, the IRA was funded by practically America (not blaming
> anyone)?, and it only stopped when America declared war on terror because
> then the IRA had no were to get their guns/Bombs From.
>
> By the way, If I met Terry Prachett ( lives just down the road), I'll tell
> him that you like his books.


heh...if he remembers me at all (sure, a snowball's chance in hell), I met
him at Capricon 13 (science fiction convention). Due to the way he dressed
for that event, one could've mistaken him for milquetoast. Heheh. Another
guest author at that con was H. P. Lovecraft. I went out of my way to see
if anyone actually showed up at the table for him...nope, no one was dopey
enough.
 
B

Barking Mad

Flightless Bird
"Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
news:hkc9l9$lpb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Barking Mad" <nope@falseaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:CjR9n.34479$Ym4.21053@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> "Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:hk74l3$q32$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Barking Mad" <nope@falseaddress.com> wrote in message
>>> news:3oj9n.33852$Ym4.16977@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>>> "Death" <death@rottingcorpses.x-x> wrote in message
>>>> news:4b65b169$1@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>> Richard Tanner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people think it's not the United State *of* America but the
>>>>>>> United
>>>>>>> States *is* America.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most Yanks?
>>>>>
>>>>> We also belive that the Sun & Moon only appear in our sky.
>>>>> As it should.
>>>>>
>>>> Ah ! the "Sun and Moon " is singular and the sky is "our"'s , Kinda
>>>> makes you proud don't it.
>>>
>>> Is this intended to mean anything? Looks like gibberish, eh?

>>
>> Yes your Lordship it was meant to mean something - clearly I failed
>> miserably. I prostrate myself before you in token of the humiliation I
>> feel for my failure.

>
> What a damned shame. I suppose it's too late for you to grow a sense of
> humor, eh? Snark, snark, snark.
>
> At any rate, since you fail to grasp the hilarity of your words, allow me
> to clarify. Your feeble attempt to correct Death is dhammd funny. Before
> you do so again, perhaps you could take the time to learn English? Heh.
> Oh, and since you have difficulty parsing English, let me make it clearer.
> "our" relates to "we" (you know, at the beginning of the sentence), NOT to
> "sun and moon". Also, you posted «the sky is "our"'s», which IS
> GIBBERISH, son. See, "our" is correct, in that context, while "ours"
> would be correct, if he'd said something like "the sky is ours". Either
> way, you're wrong, wrong, wrongity wrong. Heheh.
>
> I HAD expected too much of you, apparently. 'Tis a pity, that you are
> proud to parade your ignorance before the world.
>
>> In future I will remember that in posting here we expose ourselves to the
>> gaze of your fearsome critical scrutiny and the incisive erudition of
>> your omniscient judgment . Clearly, this was a grave error and one from
>> which I will certainly learn.

>
> I think it unlikely that you'll ever learn anything. You decided to be
> offended, when no offense was intended.
>
>>>> Still what does it matter ? - as you so clearly point out we'll all be
>>>> dead soon anyway.
>>>
>>> Soon? How soon?

>>
>> Sooner for me than you I would imagine. However, I was referring to to
>> "Death" 's signature tag .

>
> D'oh! You may just want to do something about your mental fog. You jump
> to conclusion after conclusion, missing the mark every time.
>

Your Lordship has spoken and spoken so well . May I say how much I enjoy
reading the fine mixture of didactic precision and colloquial friendliness
which characterizes your Lordship's writing . If we could all learn ( in our
plebian way of course) to be as effortlessly analytical as your Lordship
then we would stand in less need of the just chastisement which you have so
fairly dealt out to my unworthy self .
I will try to re-learn parsing ( it is at least 70 years since last I
studied that fascinating subject ) and I might even try learn a bit of
syntax too while I'm at it. Until then I will I will certainly bear in mind
that I should not decide " to be offended, when no offense was intended".
After all only a fool would do that.
 
S

SC Tom

Flightless Bird
Re: Memo for Windows7.general Posters (yeah, more OT garbage)

"Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
news:hkcai2$uem$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Pete S" <a@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:BKX9n.34671$Ym4.23233@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> "Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:hk7jkn$61c$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "I have been a Provo now for 15 years or more,
>>> with Armalites and mortarbombs I thought I knew the score
>>> But now we have a weapon we've never used before
>>> The Brits are looking worried, and they're going to worry more
>>>
>>> Tiocfaidh ár lá, sing up the 'RA
>>> SAM missiles, in the sky
>>>
>>> I started off with petrol bombs, and throwing bricks and stones,
>>> with a hundred more lads like me, I never was alone
>>> But soon I learned that bricks and stones won't drive the Brits away
>>> It wasn't long before I joined the IRA"
>>>
>>> Great song, eh? I have Athenrye's recording, from one of the times they
>>> came to my city. Very nice guys, really.
>>>

>>
>>
>> Ow happy days, brings back my army days that one does.
>> Derry in 77 and Bleek in 79, I do love the old rebel songs from both
>> sides.
>> You do know what three things it takes to make a great Irish rebel song
>> don't you ?
>>
>>
>> 1- brave
>> 2- outgunned
>> 3- dead
>>
>>
>> Got a great one about when the SAS took out the gang in Gibraltar,
>> also this one which I think every squady had
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9C4fj5CfvA
>> As per the quote on the comments page I also think its so ironic that for
>> many years, the IRA was funded by practically America (not blaming
>> anyone)?, and it only stopped when America declared war on terror because
>> then the IRA had no were to get their guns/Bombs From.
>>
>> By the way, If I met Terry Prachett ( lives just down the road), I'll
>> tell him that you like his books.

>
> heh...if he remembers me at all (sure, a snowball's chance in hell), I met
> him at Capricon 13 (science fiction convention). Due to the way he
> dressed for that event, one could've mistaken him for milquetoast. Heheh.
> Another guest author at that con was H. P. Lovecraft. I went out of my
> way to see if anyone actually showed up at the table for him...nope, no
> one was dopey enough.


No one was dopey enough, or doped up enough, hehe? He was a great writer
IMO, but don't know if I'd want to hang with him or not. (Although that
would be a moot point since he died in '37.)
By the way, "Unseen Academicals" is every bit as good as Terry's previous
books, if you haven't already gotten it.
--
SC Tom
 
L

Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"Barking Mad" <nope@falseaddress.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
> I will try to re-learn parsing ( it is at least 70 years since last I
> studied that fascinating subject ) and I might even try learn a bit of
> syntax too while I'm at it.


Somehow, your words ring false. Gee, does anyone wonder why? I'm not
exactly seeing honesty on your part, dweeb.

> Until then I will I will certainly bear in mind that I should not decide
> " to be offended, when no offense was intended". After all only a fool
> would do that.


It is good of you, to finally admit to being a fool. OTOH, you aren't
required to be a fool, so you may wish to avoid being one in the future. Oh
yes, while you're at it, dump your snarky mouth...it will only lead to bad
times for you, you know.
 
L

Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
Re: Memo for Windows7.general Posters (yeah, more OT garbage)

"SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
news:hkcpkb$7le$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> "Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
> news:hkcai2$uem$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Pete S" <a@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:BKX9n.34671$Ym4.23233@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>> "Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:hk7jkn$61c$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "I have been a Provo now for 15 years or more,
>>>> with Armalites and mortarbombs I thought I knew the score
>>>> But now we have a weapon we've never used before
>>>> The Brits are looking worried, and they're going to worry more
>>>>
>>>> Tiocfaidh ár lá, sing up the 'RA
>>>> SAM missiles, in the sky
>>>>
>>>> I started off with petrol bombs, and throwing bricks and stones,
>>>> with a hundred more lads like me, I never was alone
>>>> But soon I learned that bricks and stones won't drive the Brits away
>>>> It wasn't long before I joined the IRA"
>>>>
>>>> Great song, eh? I have Athenrye's recording, from one of the times
>>>> they came to my city. Very nice guys, really.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ow happy days, brings back my army days that one does.
>>> Derry in 77 and Bleek in 79, I do love the old rebel songs from both
>>> sides.
>>> You do know what three things it takes to make a great Irish rebel song
>>> don't you ?
>>>
>>>
>>> 1- brave
>>> 2- outgunned
>>> 3- dead
>>>
>>>
>>> Got a great one about when the SAS took out the gang in Gibraltar,
>>> also this one which I think every squady had
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9C4fj5CfvA
>>> As per the quote on the comments page I also think its so ironic that
>>> for many years, the IRA was funded by practically America (not blaming
>>> anyone)?, and it only stopped when America declared war on terror
>>> because then the IRA had no were to get their guns/Bombs From.
>>>
>>> By the way, If I met Terry Prachett ( lives just down the road), I'll
>>> tell him that you like his books.

>>
>> heh...if he remembers me at all (sure, a snowball's chance in hell), I
>> met him at Capricon 13 (science fiction convention). Due to the way he
>> dressed for that event, one could've mistaken him for milquetoast.
>> Heheh. Another guest author at that con was H. P. Lovecraft. I went out
>> of my way to see if anyone actually showed up at the table for
>> him...nope, no one was dopey enough.

>
> No one was dopey enough, or doped up enough, hehe? He was a great writer
> IMO, but don't know if I'd want to hang with him or not. (Although that
> would be a moot point since he died in '37.)
> By the way, "Unseen Academicals" is every bit as good as Terry's previous
> books, if you haven't already gotten it.


Perhaps I'll remember to hit a bookstore on the way home tonight.
 
B

Barking Mad

Flightless Bird
"Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
news:hkf4ge$3d9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Barking Mad" <nope@falseaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:0lkan.35283$Ym4.19335@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> [snip]
>> I will try to re-learn parsing ( it is at least 70 years since last I
>> studied that fascinating subject ) and I might even try learn a bit of
>> syntax too while I'm at it.

>
> Somehow, your words ring false. Gee, does anyone wonder why? I'm not
> exactly seeing honesty on your part, dweeb.
>
>> Until then I will I will certainly bear in mind that I should not decide
>> " to be offended, when no offense was intended". After all only a fool
>> would do that.

>
> It is good of you, to finally admit to being a fool. OTOH, you aren't
> required to be a fool, so you may wish to avoid being one in the future.
> Oh yes, while you're at it, dump your snarky mouth...it will only lead to
> bad times for you, you know.
>

Well, once again may I thank your Lordship -wise words indeed .
"Dweeb" and "snarky" are two words I had neither heard nor read till I met
with them in your admonishment . I had to look them up - ridiculous isn't it
! I am a fool indeed - but not ungrateful -if I ever meet with these words
again I will be sure to remember your Lordship.
 
P

Pete S

Flightless Bird
Re: Memo for Windows7.general Posters (yeah, more OT garbage)

"SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
news:hkcpkb$7le$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> "Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
> news:hkcai2$uem$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Pete S" <a@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:BKX9n.34671$Ym4.23233@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>> "Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:hk7jkn$61c$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "I have been a Provo now for 15 years or more,
>>>> with Armalites and mortarbombs I thought I knew the score
>>>> But now we have a weapon we've never used before
>>>> The Brits are looking worried, and they're going to worry more
>>>>
>>>> Tiocfaidh ár lá, sing up the 'RA
>>>> SAM missiles, in the sky
>>>>
>>>> I started off with petrol bombs, and throwing bricks and stones,
>>>> with a hundred more lads like me, I never was alone
>>>> But soon I learned that bricks and stones won't drive the Brits away
>>>> It wasn't long before I joined the IRA"
>>>>
>>>> Great song, eh? I have Athenrye's recording, from one of the times
>>>> they came to my city. Very nice guys, really.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ow happy days, brings back my army days that one does.
>>> Derry in 77 and Bleek in 79, I do love the old rebel songs from both
>>> sides.
>>> You do know what three things it takes to make a great Irish rebel song
>>> don't you ?
>>>
>>>
>>> 1- brave
>>> 2- outgunned
>>> 3- dead
>>>
>>>
>>> Got a great one about when the SAS took out the gang in Gibraltar,
>>> also this one which I think every squady had
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9C4fj5CfvA
>>> As per the quote on the comments page I also think its so ironic that
>>> for many years, the IRA was funded by practically America (not blaming
>>> anyone)?, and it only stopped when America declared war on terror
>>> because then the IRA had no were to get their guns/Bombs From.
>>>
>>> By the way, If I met Terry Prachett ( lives just down the road), I'll
>>> tell him that you like his books.

>>
>> heh...if he remembers me at all (sure, a snowball's chance in hell), I
>> met him at Capricon 13 (science fiction convention). Due to the way he
>> dressed for that event, one could've mistaken him for milquetoast.
>> Heheh. Another guest author at that con was H. P. Lovecraft. I went out
>> of my way to see if anyone actually showed up at the table for
>> him...nope, no one was dopey enough.

>
> No one was dopey enough, or doped up enough, hehe? He was a great writer
> IMO, but don't know if I'd want to hang with him or not. (Although that
> would be a moot point since he died in '37.)
> By the way, "Unseen Academicals" is every bit as good as Terry's previous
> books, if you haven't already gotten it.
> --
> SC Tom
>



Sorry, I think its one of the worst he has ever done.

Top six in my humble view are-
1- 5th Eliphant
2 - Nightwatch
3 - Guards Guards Guards
4 - Going postale
5 - Wintersmith
and no 6 hogfather


--

Pete S
 
S

SC Tom

Flightless Bird
Re: Memo for Windows7.general Posters (yeah, more OT garbage)

"Pete S" <a@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:XhGan.35842$Ym4.3978@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
> news:hkcpkb$7le$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>
>> "Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:hkcai2$uem$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Pete S" <a@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:BKX9n.34671$Ym4.23233@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>>> "Lord Vetinari" <ghod@att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:hk7jkn$61c$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>
>>>>> "I have been a Provo now for 15 years or more,
>>>>> with Armalites and mortarbombs I thought I knew the score
>>>>> But now we have a weapon we've never used before
>>>>> The Brits are looking worried, and they're going to worry more
>>>>>
>>>>> Tiocfaidh ár lá, sing up the 'RA
>>>>> SAM missiles, in the sky
>>>>>
>>>>> I started off with petrol bombs, and throwing bricks and stones,
>>>>> with a hundred more lads like me, I never was alone
>>>>> But soon I learned that bricks and stones won't drive the Brits away
>>>>> It wasn't long before I joined the IRA"
>>>>>
>>>>> Great song, eh? I have Athenrye's recording, from one of the times
>>>>> they came to my city. Very nice guys, really.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ow happy days, brings back my army days that one does.
>>>> Derry in 77 and Bleek in 79, I do love the old rebel songs from both
>>>> sides.
>>>> You do know what three things it takes to make a great Irish rebel song
>>>> don't you ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1- brave
>>>> 2- outgunned
>>>> 3- dead
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Got a great one about when the SAS took out the gang in Gibraltar,
>>>> also this one which I think every squady had
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9C4fj5CfvA
>>>> As per the quote on the comments page I also think its so ironic that
>>>> for many years, the IRA was funded by practically America (not blaming
>>>> anyone)?, and it only stopped when America declared war on terror
>>>> because then the IRA had no were to get their guns/Bombs From.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, If I met Terry Prachett ( lives just down the road), I'll
>>>> tell him that you like his books.
>>>
>>> heh...if he remembers me at all (sure, a snowball's chance in hell), I
>>> met him at Capricon 13 (science fiction convention). Due to the way he
>>> dressed for that event, one could've mistaken him for milquetoast.
>>> Heheh. Another guest author at that con was H. P. Lovecraft. I went out
>>> of my way to see if anyone actually showed up at the table for
>>> him...nope, no one was dopey enough.

>>
>> No one was dopey enough, or doped up enough, hehe? He was a great writer
>> IMO, but don't know if I'd want to hang with him or not. (Although that
>> would be a moot point since he died in '37.)
>> By the way, "Unseen Academicals" is every bit as good as Terry's previous
>> books, if you haven't already gotten it.
>> --
>> SC Tom
>>

>
>
> Sorry, I think its one of the worst he has ever done.
>
> Top six in my humble view are-
> 1- 5th Eliphant
> 2 - Nightwatch
> 3 - Guards Guards Guards
> 4 - Going postale
> 5 - Wintersmith
> and no 6 hogfather
>
>
> --
>
> Pete S


That's why authors make money- people have different opinions of their
books. Kinda like King's Cujo- a lot of people thought it was great; I
thought it sucked. Lots of people liked Pet Sematary; I thought it had the
potential to be made into a great book, but for the most part, wasn't that
good, and the ending was rushed.
I like your list, and would have to add Making Money in there. I probably
wouldn't put Unseen in that list, but I thought it was well written in the
typically Pratchett style.
--
SC Tom
 
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