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Making XP desktop look like Win98

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by jerome.hill@nospam.com, Jun 6, 2010.

  1. Robert Macy

    Robert Macy Flightless Bird

    On Jun 9, 8:55 am, "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote:
    > "Robert Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:0db68647-af53-4bab-adf0-8aa959fcd98c@s4g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
    >
    > > snip
    > >And as I said, THIS group has ALWAYS provided more, and more
    > >effective, help than the WinXP group.

    >
    > LOL!  Did you look at where this post is being read, Robert?  It's being
    > crossposted to both the 98 general group AND the XP general group.  Tim
    > and others are replying from the XP group...they don't hang out in the
    > 98 group.  You're getting your help from the folks in XP general,
    > despite what you might think.
    > --
    > Glen Ventura, MS MVP  Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    > A+http://dts-l.net/


    ARRRGGG!!! just noticed it too! ...with face turned red

    Now, where's that sauce to make my words taste better?
     
  2. apistomaster(nospam)

    apistomaster(nospam) Flightless Bird

    On Jun 9, 12:40 pm, Robert Macy <m...@california.com> wrote:
    > On Jun 9, 8:55 am, "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > "Robert Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message

    >
    > >news:0db68647-af53-4bab-adf0-8aa959fcd98c@s4g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

    >
    > > > snip
    > > >And as I said, THIS group has ALWAYS provided more, and more
    > > >effective, help than the WinXP group.

    >
    > > LOL!  Did you look at where this post is being read, Robert?  It's being
    > > crossposted to both the 98 general group AND the XP general group.  Tim
    > > and others are replying from the XP group...they don't hang out in the
    > > 98 group.  You're getting your help from the folks in XP general,
    > > despite what you might think.
    > > --
    > > Glen Ventura, MS MVP  Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    > > A+http://dts-l.net/

    >
    > ARRRGGG!!!  just noticed it too! ...with face turned red
    >
    > Now, where's that sauce to make my words taste better?


    Still using a CRT Monitor, too, no doubt?
    All my Win 7 machines boot faster than my XP machine but I use an all
    wireless network so I probably shouldn't say much about antiques.
    PC Luddites.
     
  3. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    "apistomaster(nospam)" <apistomaster@clearwire.net> wrote in message
    news:df0310cc-32fa-409b-9307-136a729e571a@v12g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
    On Jun 9, 12:40 pm, Robert Macy <m...@california.com> wrote:
    > On Jun 9, 8:55 am, "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > "Robert Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message

    >
    > >news:0db68647-af53-4bab-adf0-8aa959fcd98c@s4g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

    >
    > > > snip
    > > >And as I said, THIS group has ALWAYS provided more, and more
    > > >effective, help than the WinXP group.

    >
    > > LOL! Did you look at where this post is being read, Robert? It's
    > > being
    > > crossposted to both the 98 general group AND the XP general group.
    > > Tim
    > > and others are replying from the XP group...they don't hang out in
    > > the
    > > 98 group. You're getting your help from the folks in XP general,
    > > despite what you might think.
    > > --
    > > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    > > A+http://dts-l.net/

    >
    > ARRRGGG!!! just noticed it too! ...with face turned red
    >
    > Now, where's that sauce to make my words taste better?


    Still using a CRT Monitor, too, no doubt?
    All my Win 7 machines boot faster than my XP machine but I use an all
    wireless network so I probably shouldn't say much about antiques.
    PC Luddites.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Pity you don't have a newsreader, so you must post via Google Groups,
    and using Quoted Printable as well, so quoted replies are fubar'd.

    XP SP3 is still a supported OS under the MS Lifecycle. You think
    because someone uses or supports an older OS that they don't also use
    the newer ones? My Windows 7 system boots faster than XP, but not by a
    lot....and the XP system is a multiple-boot so there's a delay added
    from going through the third-party boot manager.

    You think using ClearWire all-wireless makes you "progressive"? LOL!
    It performs poorly in my area, with frequent down time as well.
    Everyone I know who was using it has switched to cable internet for a
    more reliable and high speed connection. "Antiques" has nothing to do
    with it.
    PC Elitists. ;-)
    --
    Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    A+
    http://dts-l.net/
     
  4. Tim Meddick

    Tim Meddick Flightless Bird

    "Robert Macy" - It's no shame to have cross-posted to the WinXP group, it
    was YOUR cleverness to have successfully got your answers by posting to
    those groups YOU chose.

    "glee" - I myself have a "Made for WinXP" XP-compliant PC, with Pentium4
    and 512Mb RAM

    Although it takes no time to boot to the Welcome screen, it does take an
    age to logon to my profile.

    Whereas Win98 had only relatively few Microsoft-originated background
    applications / processes, nowadays, XP had bundles of them (background
    processes).

    ....and seemingly more and more with every "Windows Update" and added
    "Hotfix"!!

    But, once going, as long as I respect what [background] processes are
    active and competing with the current user-focused application, we get
    along just fine.

    Even Microsoft admit that XP (and previous Win OSs) takes too long to boot,
    as they addressed this very issue in the currently running advertisements
    for Windows 7!

    Windows will NEVER be as fast as some other computers and their operating
    systems, but I will always prefer the "usability" of Windows, and the way I
    can make it do the unorthodox in the way I want.

    So, with home computers, it's a case of speed and "slickness" versus the
    overall "versatility" of Windows (especially XP)!

    ==

    Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




    "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    news:huod92$tok$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    > < clipped >
    >
    >
     
  5. Jose

    Jose Flightless Bird

    On Jun 9, 6:55 pm, "Tim Meddick" <timmedd...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
    > "Robert Macy" - It's no shame to have cross-posted to the WinXP group, it
    > was YOUR cleverness to have successfully got your answers by posting to
    > those groups YOU chose.
    >
    > "glee" - I myself have a "Made for WinXP"  XP-compliant PC, with Pentium4
    > and 512Mb RAM
    >
    > Although it takes no time to boot to the Welcome screen, it does take an
    > age to logon to my profile.
    >
    > Whereas Win98 had only relatively few Microsoft-originated background
    > applications / processes, nowadays, XP had bundles of them (background
    > processes).
    >
    > ...and seemingly more and more with every "Windows Update" and added
    > "Hotfix"!!
    >
    > But, once going, as long as I respect what [background] processes are
    > active and competing with the current user-focused application, we get
    > along just fine.
    >
    > Even Microsoft admit that XP (and previous Win OSs) takes too long to boot,
    > as they addressed this very issue in the currently running advertisements
    > for Windows 7!
    >
    > Windows will NEVER be as fast as some other computers and their operating
    > systems, but I will always prefer the "usability" of Windows, and the wayI
    > can make it do the unorthodox in the way I want.
    >
    > So, with home computers, it's a case of speed and "slickness" versus the
    > overall "versatility" of Windows (especially XP)!
    >
    > ==
    >
    > Cheers,    Tim Meddick,    Peckham, London.    :)
    >
    > "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:huod92$tok$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > < clipped >


    Windows 7 was my idea.
     
  6. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    "Jose" <jose_ease@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:4aae4ddc-95df-478b-9754-74d2a6352f06@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
    >
    > >

    > < clipped >
    >
    > Windows 7 was my idea.


    ROTFL!
    Man, I can't stand those commercials! :)
     
  7. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:-O7O9dbCCLHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > snip
    > "glee" - I myself have a "Made for WinXP" XP-compliant PC, with
    > Pentium4 and 512Mb RAM
    >
    > Although it takes no time to boot to the Welcome screen, it does take
    > an age to logon to my profile.
    >
    > Whereas Win98 had only relatively few Microsoft-originated background
    > applications / processes, nowadays, XP had bundles of them (background
    > processes).
    >
    > ...and seemingly more and more with every "Windows Update" and added
    > "Hotfix"!!
    > snip


    If it takes an age to log onto your profile, it isn't because it's XP.
    I work on a lot of XP systems regularly, including my own, with all
    updates installed, no tweaking of services or anything out of the
    ordinary, and the log-in is quick. I'm using a 1.58GHz Sempron 2300+
    with 1GB RAM, but it originally had 512MB RAM with no appreciable
    difference in log-in time. I think your long log-in time is coming
    from elsewhere.
    --
    Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    A+
    http://dts-l.net/
     
  8. Tim Meddick

    Tim Meddick Flightless Bird

    You don't think it's because of background processes loaded and you think
    "think your long log-in time is coming from elsewhere"....

    At this moment, all I have open is a CMD Prompt, 1 Internet Explorer window
    and OE.

    Here's a reproduction of the current output of Tasklist.exe on my machine :


    Image Name PID Session Name Session# Mem Usage
    ========================= ====== ================
    System Idle Process 0 Console 0 16 K
    System 4 Console 0 44 K
    smss.exe 612 Console 0 44 K
    csrss.exe 688 Console 0 1,580 K
    winlogon.exe 712 Console 0 3,012 K
    services.exe 756 Console 0 1,580 K
    lsass.exe 768 Console 0 1,680 K
    svchost.exe 932 Console 0 1,580 K
    svchost.exe 1052 Console 0 1,684 K
    MsMpEng.exe 1120 Console 0 20,952 K
    RapportMgmtService.exe 1176 Console 0 10,388 K
    svchost.exe 1220 Console 0 23,756 K
    svchost.exe 1304 Console 0 4,616 K
    spoolsv.exe 1576 Console 0 1,324 K
    svchost.exe 1748 Console 0 628 K
    avgwdsvc.exe 1792 Console 0 2,556 K
    svchost.exe 108 Console 0 1,560 K
    jqs.exe 212 Console 0 1,388 K
    SMAgent.exe 456 Console 0 48 K
    svchost.exe 488 Console 0 2,084 K
    avgrsx.exe 396 Console 0 176 K
    timeserv.exe 320 Console 0 44 K
    avgemc.exe 684 Console 0 656 K
    avgcsrvx.exe 2072 Console 0 52 K
    alg.exe 2584 Console 0 780 K
    explorer.exe 3308 Console 0 12,968 K
    RapportService.exe 3348 Console 0 22,076 K
    BlueSoleil.exe 164 Console 0 2,776 K
    avgtray.exe 276 Console 0 4,200 K
    hkcmd.exe 436 Console 0 224 K
    TaskSwitch.exe 2484 Console 0 1,680 K
    MSASCui.exe 3824 Console 0 3,164 K
    Monitor.exe 2720 Console 0 472 K
    jusched.exe 2520 Console 0 52 K
    LUNABAR.EXE 3876 Console 0 1,152 K
    WZQKPICK.EXE 3568 Console 0 260 K
    SAVER.EXE 4048 Console 0 496 K
    ZOOM.EXE 3964 Console 0 280 K
    PrvDisk.exe 1492 Console 0 388 K
    tclock.exe 1476 Console 0 976 K
    Diskmon.exe 2008 Console 0 2,348 K
    CTFMON.EXE 1128 Console 0 460 K
    CLOCK.EXE 2644 Console 0 492 K
    UnlockerAssistant.exe 3244 Console 0 232 K
    TimsMGR.exe 3452 Console 0 1,864 K
    cmd.exe 2380 Console 0 1,080 K
    ntvdm.exe 3792 Console 0 56 K
    explorer.exe 3572 Console 0 1,732 K
    msimn.exe 2708 Console 0 14,864 K
    avgnsx.exe 1652 Console 0 348 K
    iexplore.exe 3684 Console 0 10,852 K
    mscorsvw.exe 6064 Console 0 736 K
    cisvc.exe 3440 Console 0 124 K
    cidaemon.exe 4532 Console 0 200 K
    wuauclt.exe 2928 Console 0 2,260 K
    ServiceLayer.exe 5120 Console 0 2,920 K
    DATALAY.EXE 3712 Console 0 3,168 K
    wmiprvse.exe 4996 Console 0 5,932 K
    tasklist.exe 3272 Console 0 4,904 K


    P.C. Details :

    Fujitsu Siemens Computers Model: Scenic T (i845GL)
    CPU = x86 Family 15 Model 1 Stepping 2 GenuineIntel ~1.7 GHz
    BIOS = Phoenix Technologies Ltd. 4.06 Rev.1.03.1421; 23/07/2002
    Hardware Abstraction 5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)
    Total Physical Memory Available = 512.00 MB



    ==

    Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




    "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
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  9. Jose

    Jose Flightless Bird

    On Jun 9, 8:53 pm, "Tim Meddick" <timmedd...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
    > You don't think it's because of background processes loaded and you think
    > "think your long log-in time is coming from elsewhere"....
    >
    > At this moment, all I have open is a CMD Prompt, 1 Internet Explorer window
    > and OE.
    >
    > Here's a reproduction of the current output of Tasklist.exe on my machine :
    >
    > Image Name                   PID Session Name     Session#    Mem Usage
    > ========================= ====== ================
    > System Idle Process            0 Console                 0         16 K
    > System                         4 Console                 0         44 K
    > smss.exe                     612 Console                 0         44 K
    > csrss.exe                    688 Console                 0      1,580 K
    > winlogon.exe                 712 Console                 0      3,012 K
    > services.exe                 756 Console                 0      1,580 K
    > lsass.exe                    768 Console                 0      1,680 K
    > svchost.exe                  932 Console                 0      1,580 K
    > svchost.exe                 1052 Console                 0      1,684 K
    > MsMpEng.exe                 1120 Console                 0     20,952 K
    > RapportMgmtService.exe      1176 Console                 0     10,388 K
    > svchost.exe                 1220 Console                 0     23,756 K
    > svchost.exe                 1304 Console                 0      4,616 K
    > spoolsv.exe                 1576 Console                 0      1,324 K
    > svchost.exe                 1748 Console                 0        628 K
    > avgwdsvc.exe                1792 Console                 0      2,556 K
    > svchost.exe                  108 Console                 0      1,560 K
    > jqs.exe                      212 Console                 0      1,388 K
    > SMAgent.exe                  456 Console                 0         48 K
    > svchost.exe                  488 Console                 0      2,084 K
    > avgrsx.exe                   396 Console                 0        176 K
    > timeserv.exe                 320 Console                 0         44 K
    > avgemc.exe                   684 Console                 0        656 K
    > avgcsrvx.exe                2072 Console                 0         52 K
    > alg.exe                     2584 Console                 0        780 K
    > explorer.exe                3308 Console                 0     12,968 K
    > RapportService.exe          3348 Console                 0     22,076 K
    > BlueSoleil.exe               164 Console                 0      2,776 K
    > avgtray.exe                  276 Console                 0      4,200 K
    > hkcmd.exe                    436 Console                 0        224 K
    > TaskSwitch.exe              2484 Console                 0      1,680 K
    > MSASCui.exe                 3824 Console                 0      3,164 K
    > Monitor.exe                 2720 Console                 0        472 K
    > jusched.exe                 2520 Console                 0         52 K
    > LUNABAR.EXE                 3876 Console                 0      1,152 K
    > WZQKPICK.EXE                3568 Console                 0        260 K
    > SAVER.EXE                   4048 Console                 0        496 K
    > ZOOM.EXE                    3964 Console                 0        280 K
    > PrvDisk.exe                 1492 Console                 0        388 K
    > tclock.exe                  1476 Console                 0        976 K
    > Diskmon.exe                 2008 Console                 0      2,348 K
    > CTFMON.EXE                  1128 Console                 0        460 K
    > CLOCK.EXE                   2644 Console                 0        492 K
    > UnlockerAssistant.exe       3244 Console                 0        232 K
    > TimsMGR.exe                 3452 Console                 0      1,864 K
    > cmd.exe                     2380 Console                 0      1,080 K
    > ntvdm.exe                   3792 Console                 0         56 K
    > explorer.exe                3572 Console                 0      1,732 K
    > msimn.exe                   2708 Console                 0     14,864 K
    > avgnsx.exe                  1652 Console                 0        348 K
    > iexplore.exe                3684 Console                 0     10,852 K
    > mscorsvw.exe                6064 Console                 0        736 K
    > cisvc.exe                   3440 Console                 0        124 K
    > cidaemon.exe                4532 Console                 0        200 K
    > wuauclt.exe                 2928 Console                 0      2,260 K
    > ServiceLayer.exe            5120 Console                 0      2,920 K
    > DATALAY.EXE                 3712 Console                 0      3,168 K
    > wmiprvse.exe                4996 Console                 0      5,932 K
    > tasklist.exe                3272 Console                 0      4,904 K
    >
    > P.C. Details :
    >
    > Fujitsu Siemens Computers   Model: Scenic T (i845GL)
    > CPU = x86 Family 15 Model 1 Stepping 2 GenuineIntel ~1.7 GHz
    > BIOS = Phoenix Technologies Ltd. 4.06 Rev.1.03.1421; 23/07/2002
    > Hardware Abstraction 5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)
    > Total Physical Memory Available = 512.00 MB
    >
    > ==
    >
    > Cheers,    Tim Meddick,    Peckham, London.    :)
    >
    > "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:hupbv0$sh2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > < clipped >


    Here is mine:

    http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6530/taskmanagerv.jpg

    I will reduce your startup/login time.

    My current rate is $1 per second of time decrease measured before and
    after.

    There is no charge for increases.
     
  10. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:esmvVdDCLHA.1072@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >
    > You don't think it's because of background processes loaded and you
    > think "think your long log-in time is coming from elsewhere"....
    >
    > At this moment, all I have open is a CMD Prompt, 1 Internet Explorer
    > window and OE.
    >
    > Here's a reproduction of the current output of Tasklist.exe on my
    > machine :
    >
    >
    > Image Name PID Session Name Session# Mem
    > Usage
    > ========================= ====== ================
    > System Idle Process 0 Console 0 16
    > K
    > System 4 Console 0 44
    > K
    > smss.exe 612 Console 0 44
    > K
    > csrss.exe 688 Console 0 1,580
    > K
    > winlogon.exe 712 Console 0 3,012
    > K
    > services.exe 756 Console 0 1,580
    > K
    > lsass.exe 768 Console 0 1,680
    > K
    > svchost.exe 932 Console 0 1,580
    > K
    > svchost.exe 1052 Console 0 1,684
    > K
    > MsMpEng.exe 1120 Console 0 20,952
    > K
    > RapportMgmtService.exe 1176 Console 0 10,388
    > K
    > svchost.exe 1220 Console 0 23,756
    > K
    > svchost.exe 1304 Console 0 4,616
    > K
    > spoolsv.exe 1576 Console 0 1,324
    > K
    > svchost.exe 1748 Console 0 628
    > K
    > avgwdsvc.exe 1792 Console 0 2,556
    > K
    > svchost.exe 108 Console 0 1,560
    > K
    > jqs.exe 212 Console 0 1,388
    > K
    > SMAgent.exe 456 Console 0 48
    > K
    > svchost.exe 488 Console 0 2,084
    > K
    > avgrsx.exe 396 Console 0 176
    > K
    > timeserv.exe 320 Console 0 44
    > K
    > avgemc.exe 684 Console 0 656
    > K
    > avgcsrvx.exe 2072 Console 0 52
    > K
    > alg.exe 2584 Console 0 780
    > K
    > explorer.exe 3308 Console 0 12,968
    > K
    > RapportService.exe 3348 Console 0 22,076
    > K
    > BlueSoleil.exe 164 Console 0 2,776
    > K
    > avgtray.exe 276 Console 0 4,200
    > K
    > hkcmd.exe 436 Console 0 224
    > K
    > TaskSwitch.exe 2484 Console 0 1,680
    > K
    > MSASCui.exe 3824 Console 0 3,164
    > K
    > Monitor.exe 2720 Console 0 472
    > K
    > jusched.exe 2520 Console 0 52
    > K
    > LUNABAR.EXE 3876 Console 0 1,152
    > K
    > WZQKPICK.EXE 3568 Console 0 260
    > K
    > SAVER.EXE 4048 Console 0 496
    > K
    > ZOOM.EXE 3964 Console 0 280
    > K
    > PrvDisk.exe 1492 Console 0 388
    > K
    > tclock.exe 1476 Console 0 976
    > K
    > Diskmon.exe 2008 Console 0 2,348
    > K
    > CTFMON.EXE 1128 Console 0 460
    > K
    > CLOCK.EXE 2644 Console 0 492
    > K
    > UnlockerAssistant.exe 3244 Console 0 232
    > K
    > TimsMGR.exe 3452 Console 0 1,864
    > K
    > cmd.exe 2380 Console 0 1,080
    > K
    > ntvdm.exe 3792 Console 0 56
    > K
    > explorer.exe 3572 Console 0 1,732
    > K
    > msimn.exe 2708 Console 0 14,864
    > K
    > avgnsx.exe 1652 Console 0 348
    > K
    > iexplore.exe 3684 Console 0 10,852
    > K
    > mscorsvw.exe 6064 Console 0 736
    > K
    > cisvc.exe 3440 Console 0 124
    > K
    > cidaemon.exe 4532 Console 0 200
    > K
    > wuauclt.exe 2928 Console 0 2,260
    > K
    > ServiceLayer.exe 5120 Console 0 2,920
    > K
    > DATALAY.EXE 3712 Console 0 3,168
    > K
    > wmiprvse.exe 4996 Console 0 5,932
    > K
    > tasklist.exe 3272 Console 0 4,904
    > K
    >
    > snip


    LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all these
    background processes, and that post a task list full of third-party
    processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking!

    Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are
    third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or XP
    Power Toys processes), not XP processes:

    RapportMgmtService.exe
    timeserv.exe
    RapportService.exe
    BlueSoleil.exe
    TaskSwitch.exe
    Monitor.exe
    LUNABAR.EXE
    WZQKPICK.EXE
    SAVER.EXE
    ZOOM.EXE
    PrvDisk.exe
    tclock.exe
    Diskmon.exe
    CLOCK.EXE
    UnlockerAssistant.exe
    TimsMGR.exe
    ServiceLayer.exe
    DATALAY.EXE

    NO WONDER you take so long to log on!
    As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes.

    These are AVG anti-virus processes:
    avgwdsvc.exe
    avgrsx.exe
    avgemc.exe
    avgcsrvx.exe

    The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe and
    cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing.

    Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in Windows
    Task Manager
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869

    Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click Properties,
    and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....."

    Cheers!
    --
    Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    A+
    http://dts-l.net/
     
  11. Tim Meddick

    Tim Meddick Flightless Bird

    Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing...

    Quick, aren't you!

    However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the
    differences between XP and the Win98 OSes.

    My tasklist for Win98 went something like :

    systray.exe
    explorer.exe


    ...and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something like :

    smss
    csrss
    winlogon
    services
    lsass
    svchost
    svchost
    MsMpEng
    svchost
    svchost
    spoolsv
    svchost
    avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!)
    svchost
    jqs
    SMAgent
    svchost
    avgrsx (more of the AV)
    avgemc (and more AV)
    avgcsrvx (yet more AV)
    alg
    explorer
    avgtray (and more AV)
    hkcmd
    MSASCui
    Monitor
    jusched
    CTFMON
    Taskmgr
    cmd
    ntvdm
    explorer
    avgnsx (last bit of AV)
    iexplore
    mscorsvw
    cisvc
    cidaemon
    wuauclt
    ServiceLayer
    wuauclt

    ==

    Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




    "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    news:hupg1b$c50$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:esmvVdDCLHA.1072@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >> You don't think it's because of background processes loaded and you
    >> think "think your long log-in time is coming from elsewhere"....
    >>
    >> At this moment, all I have open is a CMD Prompt, 1 Internet Explorer
    >> window and OE.
    >>
    >> Here's a reproduction of the current output of Tasklist.exe on my
    >> machine :
    >>
    >>
    >> Image Name PID Session Name Session# Mem Usage
    >> ========================= ====== ================
    >> System Idle Process 0 Console 0 16 K
    >> System 4 Console 0 44 K
    >> smss.exe 612 Console 0 44 K
    >> csrss.exe 688 Console 0 1,580 K
    >> winlogon.exe 712 Console 0 3,012 K
    >> services.exe 756 Console 0 1,580 K
    >> lsass.exe 768 Console 0 1,680 K
    >> svchost.exe 932 Console 0 1,580 K
    >> svchost.exe 1052 Console 0 1,684 K
    >> MsMpEng.exe 1120 Console 0 20,952 K
    >> RapportMgmtService.exe 1176 Console 0 10,388 K
    >> svchost.exe 1220 Console 0 23,756 K
    >> svchost.exe 1304 Console 0 4,616 K
    >> spoolsv.exe 1576 Console 0 1,324 K
    >> svchost.exe 1748 Console 0 628 K
    >> avgwdsvc.exe 1792 Console 0 2,556 K
    >> svchost.exe 108 Console 0 1,560 K
    >> jqs.exe 212 Console 0 1,388 K
    >> SMAgent.exe 456 Console 0 48 K
    >> svchost.exe 488 Console 0 2,084 K
    >> avgrsx.exe 396 Console 0 176 K
    >> timeserv.exe 320 Console 0 44 K
    >> avgemc.exe 684 Console 0 656 K
    >> avgcsrvx.exe 2072 Console 0 52 K
    >> alg.exe 2584 Console 0 780 K
    >> explorer.exe 3308 Console 0 12,968 K
    >> RapportService.exe 3348 Console 0 22,076 K
    >> BlueSoleil.exe 164 Console 0 2,776 K
    >> avgtray.exe 276 Console 0 4,200 K
    >> hkcmd.exe 436 Console 0 224 K
    >> TaskSwitch.exe 2484 Console 0 1,680 K
    >> MSASCui.exe 3824 Console 0 3,164 K
    >> Monitor.exe 2720 Console 0 472 K
    >> jusched.exe 2520 Console 0 52 K
    >> LUNABAR.EXE 3876 Console 0 1,152 K
    >> WZQKPICK.EXE 3568 Console 0 260 K
    >> SAVER.EXE 4048 Console 0 496 K
    >> ZOOM.EXE 3964 Console 0 280 K
    >> PrvDisk.exe 1492 Console 0 388 K
    >> tclock.exe 1476 Console 0 976 K
    >> Diskmon.exe 2008 Console 0 2,348 K
    >> CTFMON.EXE 1128 Console 0 460 K
    >> CLOCK.EXE 2644 Console 0 492 K
    >> UnlockerAssistant.exe 3244 Console 0 232 K
    >> TimsMGR.exe 3452 Console 0 1,864 K
    >> cmd.exe 2380 Console 0 1,080 K
    >> ntvdm.exe 3792 Console 0 56 K
    >> explorer.exe 3572 Console 0 1,732 K
    >> msimn.exe 2708 Console 0 14,864 K
    >> avgnsx.exe 1652 Console 0 348 K
    >> iexplore.exe 3684 Console 0 10,852 K
    >> mscorsvw.exe 6064 Console 0 736 K
    >> cisvc.exe 3440 Console 0 124 K
    >> cidaemon.exe 4532 Console 0 200 K
    >> wuauclt.exe 2928 Console 0 2,260 K
    >> ServiceLayer.exe 5120 Console 0 2,920 K
    >> DATALAY.EXE 3712 Console 0 3,168 K
    >> wmiprvse.exe 4996 Console 0 5,932 K
    >> tasklist.exe 3272 Console 0 4,904 K
    >>
    >> snip

    >
    > LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all these
    > background processes, and that post a task list full of third-party
    > processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking!
    >
    > Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are
    > third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or XP
    > Power Toys processes), not XP processes:
    >
    > RapportMgmtService.exe
    > timeserv.exe
    > RapportService.exe
    > BlueSoleil.exe
    > TaskSwitch.exe
    > Monitor.exe
    > LUNABAR.EXE
    > WZQKPICK.EXE
    > SAVER.EXE
    > ZOOM.EXE
    > PrvDisk.exe
    > tclock.exe
    > Diskmon.exe
    > CLOCK.EXE
    > UnlockerAssistant.exe
    > TimsMGR.exe
    > ServiceLayer.exe
    > DATALAY.EXE
    >
    > NO WONDER you take so long to log on!
    > As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes.
    >
    > These are AVG anti-virus processes:
    > avgwdsvc.exe
    > avgrsx.exe
    > avgemc.exe
    > avgcsrvx.exe
    >
    > The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe and
    > cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing.
    >
    > Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in Windows
    > Task Manager
    > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869
    >
    > Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click Properties,
    > and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....."
    >
    > Cheers!
    > --
    > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    > A+
    > http://dts-l.net/
    >
     
  12. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    OK...we'll top post.

    1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list.
    2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an
    anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list.
    3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere near
    all processes that were actually running.

    If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer and
    you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the same
    number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even show your
    mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98.


    Tim Meddick" <timmeddick@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:ewqfSDECLHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing...
    >
    > Quick, aren't you!
    >
    > However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the
    > differences between XP and the Win98 OSes.
    >
    > My tasklist for Win98 went something like :
    >
    > systray.exe
    > explorer.exe
    >
    >
    > ..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something like
    > :
    >
    > smss
    > csrss
    > winlogon
    > services
    > lsass
    > svchost
    > svchost
    > MsMpEng
    > svchost
    > svchost
    > spoolsv
    > svchost
    > avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!)
    > svchost
    > jqs
    > SMAgent
    > svchost
    > avgrsx (more of the AV)
    > avgemc (and more AV)
    > avgcsrvx (yet more AV)
    > alg
    > explorer
    > avgtray (and more AV)
    > hkcmd
    > MSASCui
    > Monitor
    > jusched
    > CTFMON
    > Taskmgr
    > cmd
    > ntvdm
    > explorer
    > avgnsx (last bit of AV)
    > iexplore
    > mscorsvw
    > cisvc
    > cidaemon
    > wuauclt
    > ServiceLayer
    > wuauclt
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    > news:hupg1b$c50$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>
    >> LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all these
    >> background processes, and that post a task list full of third-party
    >> processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking!
    >>
    >> Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are
    >> third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or XP
    >> Power Toys processes), not XP processes:
    >>
    >> RapportMgmtService.exe
    >> timeserv.exe
    >> RapportService.exe
    >> BlueSoleil.exe
    >> TaskSwitch.exe
    >> Monitor.exe
    >> LUNABAR.EXE
    >> WZQKPICK.EXE
    >> SAVER.EXE
    >> ZOOM.EXE
    >> PrvDisk.exe
    >> tclock.exe
    >> Diskmon.exe
    >> CLOCK.EXE
    >> UnlockerAssistant.exe
    >> TimsMGR.exe
    >> ServiceLayer.exe
    >> DATALAY.EXE
    >>
    >> NO WONDER you take so long to log on!
    >> As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes.
    >>
    >> These are AVG anti-virus processes:
    >> avgwdsvc.exe
    >> avgrsx.exe
    >> avgemc.exe
    >> avgcsrvx.exe
    >>
    >> The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe and
    >> cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing.
    >>
    >> Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in
    >> Windows Task Manager
    >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869
    >>
    >> Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click
    >> Properties, and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....."
    >>
    >> Cheers!


    --
    Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    A+
    http://dts-l.net/
     
  13. Robert Macy

    Robert Macy Flightless Bird

    On Jun 9, 7:23 pm, "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote:
    > OK...we'll top post.
    >
    > 1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list.
    > 2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an
    > anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list.
    > 3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere near
    > all processes that were actually running.
    >
    > If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer and
    > you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the same
    > number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even show your
    > mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98.
    >
    > Tim Meddick" <timmedd...@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
    >
    > news:ewqfSDECLHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing...

    >
    > > Quick, aren't you!

    >
    > > However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the
    > > differences between XP and the Win98 OSes.

    >
    > > My tasklist for Win98 went something like :

    >
    > > systray.exe
    > > explorer.exe

    >
    > > ..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something like
    > > :

    >
    > > smss
    > > csrss
    > > winlogon
    > > services
    > > lsass
    > > svchost
    > > svchost
    > > MsMpEng
    > > svchost
    > > svchost
    > > spoolsv
    > > svchost
    > > avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!)
    > > svchost
    > > jqs
    > > SMAgent
    > > svchost
    > > avgrsx (more of the AV)
    > > avgemc (and more AV)
    > > avgcsrvx (yet more AV)
    > > alg
    > > explorer
    > > avgtray (and more AV)
    > > hkcmd
    > > MSASCui
    > > Monitor
    > > jusched
    > > CTFMON
    > > Taskmgr
    > > cmd
    > > ntvdm
    > > explorer
    > > avgnsx (last bit of AV)
    > > iexplore
    > > mscorsvw
    > > cisvc
    > > cidaemon
    > > wuauclt
    > > ServiceLayer
    > > wuauclt

    >
    > > "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    > >news:hupg1b$c50$1@news.eternal-september.org...

    >
    > >> LOL!  Tim!  Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all these
    > >> background processes, and that post a task list full of third-party
    > >> processes as proof?!   Please tell me you are joking!

    >
    > >> Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are
    > >> third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or XP
    > >> Power Toys processes), not XP processes:

    >
    > >> RapportMgmtService.exe
    > >> timeserv.exe
    > >> RapportService.exe
    > >> BlueSoleil.exe
    > >> TaskSwitch.exe
    > >> Monitor.exe
    > >> LUNABAR.EXE
    > >> WZQKPICK.EXE
    > >> SAVER.EXE
    > >> ZOOM.EXE
    > >> PrvDisk.exe
    > >> tclock.exe
    > >> Diskmon.exe
    > >> CLOCK.EXE
    > >> UnlockerAssistant.exe
    > >> TimsMGR.exe
    > >> ServiceLayer.exe
    > >> DATALAY.EXE

    >
    > >> NO WONDER you take so long to log on!
    > >> As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes.

    >
    > >> These are AVG anti-virus processes:
    > >> avgwdsvc.exe
    > >> avgrsx.exe
    > >> avgemc.exe
    > >> avgcsrvx.exe

    >
    > >> The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe and
    > >> cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing.

    >
    > >> Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in
    > >> Windows Task Manager
    > >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869

    >
    > >> Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click
    > >> Properties, and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....."

    >
    > >> Cheers!

    >
    > --
    > Glen Ventura, MS MVP  Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    > A+http://dts-l.net/


    I found 4 different versions of Process Explorer previously downloaded
    on this machine [Win98]; one is labeled specifically for the WinXP
    none of them appeared to do anything, so...

    Process Explorer 11.3 software download - Windows - VersionTracker
    Feb 16, 2006 ... Find Process Explorer downloads, reviews, and updates
    for ... Windows XP; Windows 2003; Windows 2000; Windows NT; Windows
    98; Windows 95 ...
    www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/win/32005 -

    downled that version, ran it, again, nothing what's it supposed to
    do?
    I did find an entry in the ctrl-alt-del listing showing procexplorer,
    or such, was running, but other than that, nothing going on.

    What is it supposed to do?
     
  14. Bob I

    Bob I Flightless Bird

    Robert Macy wrote:
    > On Jun 9, 7:23 pm, "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote:
    >
    >>OK...we'll top post.
    >>
    >>1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list.
    >>2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an
    >>anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list.
    >>3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere near
    >>all processes that were actually running.
    >>
    >>If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer and
    >>you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the same
    >>number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even show your
    >>mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98.
    >>
    >>Tim Meddick" <timmedd...@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
    >>
    >>news:ewqfSDECLHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing...

    >>
    >>>Quick, aren't you!

    >>
    >>>However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the
    >>>differences between XP and the Win98 OSes.

    >>
    >>>My tasklist for Win98 went something like :

    >>
    >>>systray.exe
    >>>explorer.exe

    >>
    >>>..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something like
    >>>:

    >>
    >>>smss
    >>>csrss
    >>>winlogon
    >>>services
    >>>lsass
    >>>svchost
    >>>svchost
    >>>MsMpEng
    >>>svchost
    >>>svchost
    >>>spoolsv
    >>>svchost
    >>>avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!)
    >>>svchost
    >>>jqs
    >>>SMAgent
    >>>svchost
    >>>avgrsx (more of the AV)
    >>>avgemc (and more AV)
    >>>avgcsrvx (yet more AV)
    >>>alg
    >>>explorer
    >>>avgtray (and more AV)
    >>>hkcmd
    >>>MSASCui
    >>>Monitor
    >>>jusched
    >>>CTFMON
    >>>Taskmgr
    >>>cmd
    >>>ntvdm
    >>>explorer
    >>>avgnsx (last bit of AV)
    >>>iexplore
    >>>mscorsvw
    >>>cisvc
    >>>cidaemon
    >>>wuauclt
    >>>ServiceLayer
    >>>wuauclt

    >>
    >>>"glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    >>>news:hupg1b$c50$1@news.eternal-september.org...

    >>
    >>>>LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all these
    >>>>background processes, and that post a task list full of third-party
    >>>>processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking!

    >>
    >>>>Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are
    >>>>third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or XP
    >>>>Power Toys processes), not XP processes:

    >>
    >>>>RapportMgmtService.exe
    >>>>timeserv.exe
    >>>>RapportService.exe
    >>>>BlueSoleil.exe
    >>>>TaskSwitch.exe
    >>>>Monitor.exe
    >>>>LUNABAR.EXE
    >>>>WZQKPICK.EXE
    >>>>SAVER.EXE
    >>>>ZOOM.EXE
    >>>>PrvDisk.exe
    >>>>tclock.exe
    >>>>Diskmon.exe
    >>>>CLOCK.EXE
    >>>>UnlockerAssistant.exe
    >>>>TimsMGR.exe
    >>>>ServiceLayer.exe
    >>>>DATALAY.EXE

    >>
    >>>>NO WONDER you take so long to log on!
    >>>>As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes.

    >>
    >>>>These are AVG anti-virus processes:
    >>>>avgwdsvc.exe
    >>>>avgrsx.exe
    >>>>avgemc.exe
    >>>>avgcsrvx.exe

    >>
    >>>>The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe and
    >>>>cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing.

    >>
    >>>>Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in
    >>>>Windows Task Manager
    >>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869

    >>
    >>>>Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click
    >>>>Properties, and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....."

    >>
    >>>>Cheers!

    >>
    >>--
    >>Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    >>A+http://dts-l.net/

    >
    >
    > I found 4 different versions of Process Explorer previously downloaded
    > on this machine [Win98]; one is labeled specifically for the WinXP
    > none of them appeared to do anything, so...
    >
    > Process Explorer 11.3 software download - Windows - VersionTracker
    > Feb 16, 2006 ... Find Process Explorer downloads, reviews, and updates
    > for ... Windows XP; Windows 2003; Windows 2000; Windows NT; Windows
    > 98; Windows 95 ...
    > www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/win/32005 -
    >
    > downled that version, ran it, again, nothing what's it supposed to
    > do?
    > I did find an entry in the ctrl-alt-del listing showing procexplorer,
    > or such, was running, but other than that, nothing going on.
    >
    > What is it supposed to do?


    See here
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx
     
  15. apistomaster(nospam)

    apistomaster(nospam) Flightless Bird

    On Jun 9, 3:39 pm, "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote:
    > "apistomaster(nospam)" <apistomas...@clearwire.net> wrote in message
    >
    > news:df0310cc-32fa-409b-9307-136a729e571a@v12g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
    > On Jun 9, 12:40 pm, Robert Macy <m...@california.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Jun 9, 8:55 am, "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote:

    >
    > > > "Robert Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message

    >
    > > >news:0db68647-af53-4bab-adf0-8aa959fcd98c@s4g2000prh.googlegroups.com....

    >
    > > > > snip
    > > > >And as I said, THIS group has ALWAYS provided more, and more
    > > > >effective, help than the WinXP group.

    >
    > > > LOL! Did you look at where this post is being read, Robert? It's
    > > > being
    > > > crossposted to both the 98 general group AND the XP general group.
    > > > Tim
    > > > and others are replying from the XP group...they don't hang out in
    > > > the
    > > > 98 group. You're getting your help from the folks in XP general,
    > > > despite what you might think.
    > > > --
    > > > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    > > > A+http://dts-l.net/

    >
    > > ARRRGGG!!! just noticed it too! ...with face turned red

    >
    > > Now, where's that sauce to make my words taste better?

    >
    > Still using a CRT Monitor, too, no doubt?
    > All my Win 7 machines boot faster than my XP machine but I use an all
    > wireless network so I probably shouldn't say much about antiques.
    > PC Luddites.
    > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > Pity you don't have a newsreader, so you must post via Google Groups,
    > and using Quoted Printable as well, so quoted replies are fubar'd.
    >
    > XP SP3 is still a supported OS under the MS Lifecycle.  You think
    > because someone uses or supports an older OS that they don't also use
    > the newer ones?  My Windows 7 system boots faster than XP, but not by a
    > lot....and the XP system is a multiple-boot so there's a delay added
    > from going through the third-party boot manager.
    >
    > You think using ClearWire all-wireless makes you "progressive"?  LOL!
    > It performs poorly in my area, with frequent down time as well.
    > Everyone I know who was using it has switched to cable internet for a
    > more reliable and high speed connection.  "Antiques" has nothing to do
    > with it.
    > PC Elitists.  ;-)
    > --
    > Glen Ventura, MS MVP  Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    > A+http://dts-l.net/


    Dear Glen,
    Over about 6 years I have posted less than 10 times so I never
    bothered to set up the newsreader. Where I live, there are only 3
    choices for ISP's.
    1. clearwire.net not to be confused with clear.com, the erratic, short
    range high speed wireless service which is not available here.
    I was not clear. I run all 3 PC's on a home wireless network using
    a dual channel("G" and "N") wireless router which keeps up with the
    input and doesn't
    drop the internet connection. I get clearwire's highest speed
    package at their lowest speed price and I have never had any problem
    with them.
    Service is much it cheaper by far than Qwest and Cableone.
    2. Qwest Only marginally faster speeds are available here but at a
    much higher price than my present deal with clearwire.
    3. Cableone By far the fastest available speeds in the area. But it is
    the cable company, I do not like the way they do business and they
    charge much more for
    the same speed I am getting from clearwire. Ever try to negotiate
    with a cable company? They can double my speed for almost 4 times the
    price. As long as
    .video streams I can afford to wait for clearwire to increase it's
    local speeds.

    In any case, I always enjoyed this newsgroup. It never fails to
    entertain and I have learned a lot about XP from subscribing to this
    group. I expected the curiously sarcastic style many use in their
    answers so I don't think I was far from the norm by basically saying
    better results are to be had by upgrading one's hard and software as
    things evolve. I imagine it must be cool to be writing an extra $60 a
    month to the cable company for truly fast internet speeds but what I
    have beats dial up about 10 times over. I will miss this group if for
    some reason it doesn't survive the changes because my ISP doesn't
    somehow stay connected to one of the alternative providers. At least
    I've never cross posted or top posted; things that seem to bring out
    the little biters.
     
  16. Tim Meddick

    Tim Meddick Flightless Bird

    You reckon I'll find a comparable number of running processes in Win98
    installation, do you?

    Well, I'll give that a try, I have a W98 installation running as in M$
    Virtual PC.

    But, as it's getting late, I will try that on the morrow.

    BTW - I read the post by "Robert Macy" - will my copy of Process Explorer
    run under Win98?

    Or do I need another version - was a bit hazy about what he wrote, but
    seemed to be having some problems...

    ==

    Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




    "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    news:hupibm$k7p$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > OK...we'll top post.
    >
    > 1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list.
    > 2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an
    > anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list.
    > 3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere near
    > all processes that were actually running.
    >
    > If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer and
    > you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the same
    > number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even show your
    > mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98.
    >
    >
    > Tim Meddick" <timmeddick@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:ewqfSDECLHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >> Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing...
    >>
    >> Quick, aren't you!
    >>
    >> However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the
    >> differences between XP and the Win98 OSes.
    >>
    >> My tasklist for Win98 went something like :
    >>
    >> systray.exe
    >> explorer.exe
    >>
    >>
    >> ..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something like :
    >>
    >> smss
    >> csrss
    >> winlogon
    >> services
    >> lsass
    >> svchost
    >> svchost
    >> MsMpEng
    >> svchost
    >> svchost
    >> spoolsv
    >> svchost
    >> avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!)
    >> svchost
    >> jqs
    >> SMAgent
    >> svchost
    >> avgrsx (more of the AV)
    >> avgemc (and more AV)
    >> avgcsrvx (yet more AV)
    >> alg
    >> explorer
    >> avgtray (and more AV)
    >> hkcmd
    >> MSASCui
    >> Monitor
    >> jusched
    >> CTFMON
    >> Taskmgr
    >> cmd
    >> ntvdm
    >> explorer
    >> avgnsx (last bit of AV)
    >> iexplore
    >> mscorsvw
    >> cisvc
    >> cidaemon
    >> wuauclt
    >> ServiceLayer
    >> wuauclt
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    >> news:hupg1b$c50$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>>
    >>> LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all these
    >>> background processes, and that post a task list full of third-party
    >>> processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking!
    >>>
    >>> Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are
    >>> third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or XP
    >>> Power Toys processes), not XP processes:
    >>>
    >>> RapportMgmtService.exe
    >>> timeserv.exe
    >>> RapportService.exe
    >>> BlueSoleil.exe
    >>> TaskSwitch.exe
    >>> Monitor.exe
    >>> LUNABAR.EXE
    >>> WZQKPICK.EXE
    >>> SAVER.EXE
    >>> ZOOM.EXE
    >>> PrvDisk.exe
    >>> tclock.exe
    >>> Diskmon.exe
    >>> CLOCK.EXE
    >>> UnlockerAssistant.exe
    >>> TimsMGR.exe
    >>> ServiceLayer.exe
    >>> DATALAY.EXE
    >>>
    >>> NO WONDER you take so long to log on!
    >>> As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes.
    >>>
    >>> These are AVG anti-virus processes:
    >>> avgwdsvc.exe
    >>> avgrsx.exe
    >>> avgemc.exe
    >>> avgcsrvx.exe
    >>>
    >>> The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe and
    >>> cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing.
    >>>
    >>> Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in Windows
    >>> Task Manager
    >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869
    >>>
    >>> Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click Properties,
    >>> and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....."
    >>>
    >>> Cheers!

    >
    > --
    > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    > A+
    > http://dts-l.net/
    >
     
  17. Robert Macy

    Robert Macy Flightless Bird

    On Jun 10, 11:59 am, Bob I <bire...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > Robert Macy wrote:
    > > On Jun 9, 7:23 pm, "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote:

    >
    > >>OK...we'll top post.

    >
    > >>1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list.
    > >>2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an
    > >>anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list.
    > >>3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere near
    > >>all processes that were actually running.

    >
    > >>If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer and
    > >>you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the same
    > >>number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even show your
    > >>mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98.

    >
    > >>Tim Meddick" <timmedd...@o2.co.uk> wrote in message

    >
    > >>news:ewqfSDECLHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

    >
    > >>>Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing...

    >
    > >>>Quick, aren't you!

    >
    > >>>However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the
    > >>>differences between XP and the Win98 OSes.

    >
    > >>>My tasklist for Win98 went something like :

    >
    > >>>systray.exe
    > >>>explorer.exe

    >
    > >>>..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something like
    > >>>:

    >
    > >>>smss
    > >>>csrss
    > >>>winlogon
    > >>>services
    > >>>lsass
    > >>>svchost
    > >>>svchost
    > >>>MsMpEng
    > >>>svchost
    > >>>svchost
    > >>>spoolsv
    > >>>svchost
    > >>>avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!)
    > >>>svchost
    > >>>jqs
    > >>>SMAgent
    > >>>svchost
    > >>>avgrsx (more of the AV)
    > >>>avgemc (and more AV)
    > >>>avgcsrvx (yet more AV)
    > >>>alg
    > >>>explorer
    > >>>avgtray (and more AV)
    > >>>hkcmd
    > >>>MSASCui
    > >>>Monitor
    > >>>jusched
    > >>>CTFMON
    > >>>Taskmgr
    > >>>cmd
    > >>>ntvdm
    > >>>explorer
    > >>>avgnsx (last bit of AV)
    > >>>iexplore
    > >>>mscorsvw
    > >>>cisvc
    > >>>cidaemon
    > >>>wuauclt
    > >>>ServiceLayer
    > >>>wuauclt

    >
    > >>>"glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    > >>>news:hupg1b$c50$1@news.eternal-september.org...

    >
    > >>>>LOL!  Tim!  Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all these
    > >>>>background processes, and that post a task list full of third-party
    > >>>>processes as proof?!   Please tell me you are joking!

    >
    > >>>>Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are
    > >>>>third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or XP
    > >>>>Power Toys processes), not XP processes:

    >
    > >>>>RapportMgmtService.exe
    > >>>>timeserv.exe
    > >>>>RapportService.exe
    > >>>>BlueSoleil.exe
    > >>>>TaskSwitch.exe
    > >>>>Monitor.exe
    > >>>>LUNABAR.EXE
    > >>>>WZQKPICK.EXE
    > >>>>SAVER.EXE
    > >>>>ZOOM.EXE
    > >>>>PrvDisk.exe
    > >>>>tclock.exe
    > >>>>Diskmon.exe
    > >>>>CLOCK.EXE
    > >>>>UnlockerAssistant.exe
    > >>>>TimsMGR.exe
    > >>>>ServiceLayer.exe
    > >>>>DATALAY.EXE

    >
    > >>>>NO WONDER you take so long to log on!
    > >>>>As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes.

    >
    > >>>>These are AVG anti-virus processes:
    > >>>>avgwdsvc.exe
    > >>>>avgrsx.exe
    > >>>>avgemc.exe
    > >>>>avgcsrvx.exe

    >
    > >>>>The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe and
    > >>>>cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing.

    >
    > >>>>Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in
    > >>>>Windows Task Manager
    > >>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869

    >
    > >>>>Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click
    > >>>>Properties, and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....."

    >
    > >>>>Cheers!

    >
    > >>--
    > >>Glen Ventura, MS MVP  Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    > >>A+http://dts-l.net/

    >
    > > I found 4 different versions of Process Explorer previously downloaded
    > > on this machine [Win98]; one is labeled specifically for the WinXP
    > > none of them appeared to do anything, so...

    >
    > > Process Explorer 11.3 software download - Windows - VersionTracker
    > > Feb 16, 2006 ... Find Process Explorer downloads, reviews, and updates
    > > for ... Windows XP; Windows 2003; Windows 2000; Windows NT; Windows
    > > 98; Windows 95 ...
    > >www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/win/32005-

    >
    > > downled that version, ran it, again, nothing  what's it supposed to
    > > do?
    > > I did find an entry in the ctrl-alt-del listing showing procexplorer,
    > > or such, was running, but other than that, nothing going on.

    >
    > > What is it supposed to do?

    >
    > See herehttp://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx


    nice pictures, but that version runs on WinXP and higher, doesn't run
    on Win98
     
  18. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    Tim,

    If the email addy you are using here is legit, I can email you a .zip
    file with an older version of Process Explorer that works with Win98.

    --
    Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    A+
    http://dts-l.net/


    "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:-OT%23J7xOCLHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >
    > You reckon I'll find a comparable number of running processes in Win98
    > installation, do you?
    >
    > Well, I'll give that a try, I have a W98 installation running as in M$
    > Virtual PC.
    >
    > But, as it's getting late, I will try that on the morrow.
    >
    > BTW - I read the post by "Robert Macy" - will my copy of Process
    > Explorer run under Win98?
    >
    > Or do I need another version - was a bit hazy about what he wrote, but
    > seemed to be having some problems...
    >
    > ==
    >
    > Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    > news:hupibm$k7p$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> OK...we'll top post.
    >>
    >> 1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list.
    >> 2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an
    >> anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list.
    >> 3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere
    >> near all processes that were actually running.
    >>
    >> If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer
    >> and you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the
    >> same number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even
    >> show your mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98.
    >>
    >>
    >> Tim Meddick" <timmeddick@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
    >> news:ewqfSDECLHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>> Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing...
    >>>
    >>> Quick, aren't you!
    >>>
    >>> However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the
    >>> differences between XP and the Win98 OSes.
    >>>
    >>> My tasklist for Win98 went something like :
    >>>
    >>> systray.exe
    >>> explorer.exe
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> ..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something
    >>> like :
    >>>
    >>> smss
    >>> csrss
    >>> winlogon
    >>> services
    >>> lsass
    >>> svchost
    >>> svchost
    >>> MsMpEng
    >>> svchost
    >>> svchost
    >>> spoolsv
    >>> svchost
    >>> avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!)
    >>> svchost
    >>> jqs
    >>> SMAgent
    >>> svchost
    >>> avgrsx (more of the AV)
    >>> avgemc (and more AV)
    >>> avgcsrvx (yet more AV)
    >>> alg
    >>> explorer
    >>> avgtray (and more AV)
    >>> hkcmd
    >>> MSASCui
    >>> Monitor
    >>> jusched
    >>> CTFMON
    >>> Taskmgr
    >>> cmd
    >>> ntvdm
    >>> explorer
    >>> avgnsx (last bit of AV)
    >>> iexplore
    >>> mscorsvw
    >>> cisvc
    >>> cidaemon
    >>> wuauclt
    >>> ServiceLayer
    >>> wuauclt
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:hupg1b$c50$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>>>
    >>>> LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all
    >>>> these background processes, and that post a task list full of
    >>>> third-party processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking!
    >>>>
    >>>> Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are
    >>>> third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or
    >>>> XP Power Toys processes), not XP processes:
    >>>>
    >>>> RapportMgmtService.exe
    >>>> timeserv.exe
    >>>> RapportService.exe
    >>>> BlueSoleil.exe
    >>>> TaskSwitch.exe
    >>>> Monitor.exe
    >>>> LUNABAR.EXE
    >>>> WZQKPICK.EXE
    >>>> SAVER.EXE
    >>>> ZOOM.EXE
    >>>> PrvDisk.exe
    >>>> tclock.exe
    >>>> Diskmon.exe
    >>>> CLOCK.EXE
    >>>> UnlockerAssistant.exe
    >>>> TimsMGR.exe
    >>>> ServiceLayer.exe
    >>>> DATALAY.EXE
    >>>>
    >>>> NO WONDER you take so long to log on!
    >>>> As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes.
    >>>>
    >>>> These are AVG anti-virus processes:
    >>>> avgwdsvc.exe
    >>>> avgrsx.exe
    >>>> avgemc.exe
    >>>> avgcsrvx.exe
    >>>>
    >>>> The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe
    >>>> and cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing.
    >>>>
    >>>> Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in
    >>>> Windows Task Manager
    >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869
    >>>>
    >>>> Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click
    >>>> Properties, and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....."
    >>>>
    >>>> Cheers!

    >>
    >> --
    >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    >> A+
    >> http://dts-l.net/
    >>

    >
     
  19. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    Robert,

    If the email addy you are using here is legit, I can email you a .zip
    file with an older version of Process Explorer that works with Win98.
    --
    Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    A+
    http://dts-l.net/


    "Robert Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
    news:4a673e50-af1f-4a57-9b4a-d465f241b725@j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
    On Jun 9, 7:23 pm, "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote:
    > OK...we'll top post.
    >
    > 1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list.
    > 2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an
    > anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list.
    > 3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere
    > near
    > all processes that were actually running.
    >
    > If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer
    > and
    > you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the same
    > number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even show
    > your
    > mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98.
    >
    > Tim Meddick" <timmedd...@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
    >
    > news:ewqfSDECLHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing...

    >
    > > Quick, aren't you!

    >
    > > However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the
    > > differences between XP and the Win98 OSes.

    >
    > > My tasklist for Win98 went something like :

    >
    > > systray.exe
    > > explorer.exe

    >
    > > ..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something
    > > like
    > > :

    >
    > > smss
    > > csrss
    > > winlogon
    > > services
    > > lsass
    > > svchost
    > > svchost
    > > MsMpEng
    > > svchost
    > > svchost
    > > spoolsv
    > > svchost
    > > avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!)
    > > svchost
    > > jqs
    > > SMAgent
    > > svchost
    > > avgrsx (more of the AV)
    > > avgemc (and more AV)
    > > avgcsrvx (yet more AV)
    > > alg
    > > explorer
    > > avgtray (and more AV)
    > > hkcmd
    > > MSASCui
    > > Monitor
    > > jusched
    > > CTFMON
    > > Taskmgr
    > > cmd
    > > ntvdm
    > > explorer
    > > avgnsx (last bit of AV)
    > > iexplore
    > > mscorsvw
    > > cisvc
    > > cidaemon
    > > wuauclt
    > > ServiceLayer
    > > wuauclt

    >
    > > "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    > >news:hupg1b$c50$1@news.eternal-september.org...

    >
    > >> LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all these
    > >> background processes, and that post a task list full of third-party
    > >> processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking!

    >
    > >> Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are
    > >> third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or
    > >> XP
    > >> Power Toys processes), not XP processes:

    >
    > >> RapportMgmtService.exe
    > >> timeserv.exe
    > >> RapportService.exe
    > >> BlueSoleil.exe
    > >> TaskSwitch.exe
    > >> Monitor.exe
    > >> LUNABAR.EXE
    > >> WZQKPICK.EXE
    > >> SAVER.EXE
    > >> ZOOM.EXE
    > >> PrvDisk.exe
    > >> tclock.exe
    > >> Diskmon.exe
    > >> CLOCK.EXE
    > >> UnlockerAssistant.exe
    > >> TimsMGR.exe
    > >> ServiceLayer.exe
    > >> DATALAY.EXE

    >
    > >> NO WONDER you take so long to log on!
    > >> As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes.

    >
    > >> These are AVG anti-virus processes:
    > >> avgwdsvc.exe
    > >> avgrsx.exe
    > >> avgemc.exe
    > >> avgcsrvx.exe

    >
    > >> The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe
    > >> and
    > >> cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing.

    >
    > >> Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in
    > >> Windows Task Manager
    > >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869

    >
    > >> Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click
    > >> Properties, and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....."

    >
    > >> Cheers!

    >
    > --
    > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    > A+http://dts-l.net/


    I found 4 different versions of Process Explorer previously downloaded
    on this machine [Win98]; one is labeled specifically for the WinXP
    none of them appeared to do anything, so...

    Process Explorer 11.3 software download - Windows - VersionTracker
    Feb 16, 2006 ... Find Process Explorer downloads, reviews, and updates
    for ... Windows XP; Windows 2003; Windows 2000; Windows NT; Windows
    98; Windows 95 ...
    www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/win/32005 -

    downled that version, ran it, again, nothing what's it supposed to
    do?
    I did find an entry in the ctrl-alt-del listing showing procexplorer,
    or such, was running, but other than that, nothing going on.

    What is it supposed to do?
     
  20. Tim Meddick

    Tim Meddick Flightless Bird

    It is.

    Please do.

    Thanks.

    ==

    Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




    "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
    news:hus2v0$2ng$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Tim,
    >
    > If the email addy you are using here is legit, I can email you a .zip
    > file with an older version of Process Explorer that works with Win98.
    >
    > --
    > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    > A+
    > http://dts-l.net/
    >
    >
    > < clipped >
     

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