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Make backup copy of installation disk?

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by aaaaa, Jan 11, 2010.

  1. aaaaa

    aaaaa Flightless Bird

    If I buy a Window 7 system, can I back up the installation DVD to
    guard against the original disk becoming unreadable? If so how?

    I ask because years in the past, when I used NERO to make a CD copy of
    an XP CD installation disk, the second CD disk was not bootable. This
    hurt because when my original XP CD failed, I had to coerce MS to send
    me a new one. Pain.

    I think what I want to do is make an ISO image which when used to
    create a second installation disk, it will be bootable. Sound right?
    If I can do this, then I could store the ISO image file on a backup
    hard drive which I trust more than a DVD disk. I don't trust the
    shelf life of those disks any more.

    Well anyway, I tried Nero again on said old XP CD disk, and it
    generated an .nrg image file, which when I used it to burn a new CD
    disk, that disk would not boot either.

    Can someone advise how I can do what I need to do?
     
  2. Dave-UK

    Dave-UK Flightless Bird

    "aaaaa" <b@c.d> wrote in message news:glckk5lgh9onqi6hpvs156uc194dhitgbj@4ax.com...
    > If I buy a Window 7 system, can I back up the installation DVD to
    > guard against the original disk becoming unreadable? If so how?
    >
    > I ask because years in the past, when I used NERO to make a CD copy of
    > an XP CD installation disk, the second CD disk was not bootable. This
    > hurt because when my original XP CD failed, I had to coerce MS to send
    > me a new one. Pain.
    >
    > I think what I want to do is make an ISO image which when used to
    > create a second installation disk, it will be bootable. Sound right?
    > If I can do this, then I could store the ISO image file on a backup
    > hard drive which I trust more than a DVD disk. I don't trust the
    > shelf life of those disks any more.
    >
    > Well anyway, I tried Nero again on said old XP CD disk, and it
    > generated an .nrg image file, which when I used it to burn a new CD
    > disk, that disk would not boot either.
    >
    > Can someone advise how I can do what I need to do?


    No need to create an ISO, Win7 can make a system image that you can store on a second disk.
    You can also mount the image as a virtual disk drive and edit using Explorer.
    When you create the image Win7 will ask you if you want to create a repair disk.
    This is a bootable CD that you boot from if you ever want to restore the saved image.
     
  3. Alex Clayton

    Alex Clayton Flightless Bird

    "aaaaa" <b@c.d> wrote in message
    news:glckk5lgh9onqi6hpvs156uc194dhitgbj@4ax.com...
    > If I buy a Window 7 system, can I back up the installation DVD to
    > guard against the original disk becoming unreadable? If so how?
    >
    > I ask because years in the past, when I used NERO to make a CD copy of
    > an XP CD installation disk, the second CD disk was not bootable. This
    > hurt because when my original XP CD failed, I had to coerce MS to send
    > me a new one. Pain.
    >
    > I think what I want to do is make an ISO image which when used to
    > create a second installation disk, it will be bootable. Sound right?
    > If I can do this, then I could store the ISO image file on a backup
    > hard drive which I trust more than a DVD disk. I don't trust the
    > shelf life of those disks any more.
    >
    > Well anyway, I tried Nero again on said old XP CD disk, and it
    > generated an .nrg image file, which when I used it to burn a new CD
    > disk, that disk would not boot either.
    >
    > Can someone advise how I can do what I need to do?
    >
    >



    If you buy a new computer some come with a partition to restore them to the
    factory condition, and a disk. Many will allow you to burn recovery disks
    also as a back up. Some will only let you do this one time. I bought a
    couple Gateways for Christmas that did not have a patrician but allowed me
    to make a couple sets of back up disks.
    Win.7 also seems to have a built in program to make a mirror drive image.
    I am assuming like Arconis. Have not tried using it yet.
    Check the one you want to buy and see how it's set up for this.
    --
    There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who
    learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and
    find out for themselves.
    Will Rogers
     
  4. Walter R.

    Walter R. Flightless Bird

    If your Win 7 system is running OK, why don't you make an Acronis Image and
    store it on your hard drive, preferably a second drive.

    That should enable you to recreate you current system at any time in the
    future. I believe Acronis compresses the image file, whereas Win7 image may
    be uncompressed and therefore rather large. No sure about this.

    An Acronis image would avoid the necessity for one of those recovery disks
    or recovery partitions. Faster, too.

    --
    Walter
    www.rationality.net
    -
    "aaaaa" <b@c.d> wrote in message
    news:glckk5lgh9onqi6hpvs156uc194dhitgbj@4ax.com...
    > If I buy a Window 7 system, can I back up the installation DVD to
    > guard against the original disk becoming unreadable? If so how?
    >
    > I ask because years in the past, when I used NERO to make a CD copy of
    > an XP CD installation disk, the second CD disk was not bootable. This
    > hurt because when my original XP CD failed, I had to coerce MS to send
    > me a new one. Pain.
    >
    > I think what I want to do is make an ISO image which when used to
    > create a second installation disk, it will be bootable. Sound right?
    > If I can do this, then I could store the ISO image file on a backup
    > hard drive which I trust more than a DVD disk. I don't trust the
    > shelf life of those disks any more.
    >
    > Well anyway, I tried Nero again on said old XP CD disk, and it
    > generated an .nrg image file, which when I used it to burn a new CD
    > disk, that disk would not boot either.
    >
    > Can someone advise how I can do what I need to do?
     
  5. Jan Alter

    Jan Alter Flightless Bird

    "Walter R." <wr@example.com> wrote in message
    news:hidp0g$4je$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > If your Win 7 system is running OK, why don't you make an Acronis Image
    > and store it on your hard drive, preferably a second drive.
    >
    > That should enable you to recreate you current system at any time in the
    > future. I believe Acronis compresses the image file, whereas Win7 image
    > may be uncompressed and therefore rather large. No sure about this.
    >
    > An Acronis image would avoid the necessity for one of those recovery disks
    > or recovery partitions. Faster, too.
    >
    >
    >


    An Acronis backed up image is great should his system become corrupt and he
    need to resurrect it, but it may not be of any help should his entire
    motherboard become unusable, that's why not only should an image be made of
    the current system but also have a copy of the installation disk. For
    Windows 7 that installation disk would be a DVD.
    So with that thought I'm trying to figure out why the OP couldn't copy
    his original XP CD that wouldn't boot. I've done it many times using Nero 7
    using both cd's and DVD's. All I did was to 'copy cd' and then to have it
    boot go into the bios and make the first boot device the CD-ROM.
    --
    Jan Alter
    bearpuf@verizon.net
     
  6. aaaaa

    aaaaa Flightless Bird

    Re: Re: Make backup copy of installation disk?

    On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:39:13 -0500, "Jan Alter" <bearpuf@verizon.net>
    wrote:


    > So with that thought I'm trying to figure out why the OP couldn't copy
    >his original XP CD that wouldn't boot. I've done it many times using Nero 7
    >using both cd's and DVD's. All I did was to 'copy cd' and then to have it
    >boot go into the bios and make the first boot device the CD-ROM.



    Jan - my thought exactly. I have done what you describe faultlessly.
    But all that would make me still totally dependent on CD and DVD
    disks, which I suddenly do not trust any more. I do trust hard drive
    preservation. And so, I was just thinking that if I could get an ISO
    image of the installation disk on a hard drive, I would sleep better.
    In emergency, I could then make a installation disk from the image,

    Thanks.
     
  7. Tony

    Tony Flightless Bird

    You numbskull when you make a copy of a cd or dvd use the "disk-at-once" option.

    aaaaa wrote:

    > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:39:13 -0500, "Jan Alter" <bearpuf@verizon.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > So with that thought I'm trying to figure out why the OP couldn't copy
    > >his original XP CD that wouldn't boot. I've done it many times using Nero 7
    > >using both cd's and DVD's. All I did was to 'copy cd' and then to have it
    > >boot go into the bios and make the first boot device the CD-ROM.

    >
    > Jan - my thought exactly. I have done what you describe faultlessly.
    > But all that would make me still totally dependent on CD and DVD
    > disks, which I suddenly do not trust any more. I do trust hard drive
    > preservation. And so, I was just thinking that if I could get an ISO
    > image of the installation disk on a hard drive, I would sleep better.
    > In emergency, I could then make a installation disk from the image,
    >
    > Thanks.


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    Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city

    Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know proper
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    Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first day on
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  8. Gene E. Bloch

    Gene E. Bloch Flightless Bird

    On 1/10/10, aaaaa posted:
    > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:39:13 -0500, "Jan Alter" <bearpuf@verizon.net>
    > wrote:



    >> So with that thought I'm trying to figure out why the OP couldn't copy
    >> his original XP CD that wouldn't boot. I've done it many times using Nero 7
    >> using both cd's and DVD's. All I did was to 'copy cd' and then to have it
    >> boot go into the bios and make the first boot device the CD-ROM.



    > Jan - my thought exactly. I have done what you describe faultlessly.
    > But all that would make me still totally dependent on CD and DVD
    > disks, which I suddenly do not trust any more. I do trust hard drive
    > preservation. And so, I was just thinking that if I could get an ISO
    > image of the installation disk on a hard drive, I would sleep better.
    > In emergency, I could then make a installation disk from the image,


    > Thanks.


    Find, download, and install CDBurnerXP. It's free, and it easily makes
    ISO files and easily burns them to CDs or DVDs.

    --
    Gene Bloch 650.366.4267 lettersatblochg.com
     
  9. Ophelia

    Ophelia Flightless Bird

    "aaaaa" <b@c.d> wrote in message
    news:glckk5lgh9onqi6hpvs156uc194dhitgbj@4ax.com...
    > If I buy a Window 7 system, can I back up the installation DVD to
    > guard against the original disk becoming unreadable? If so how?


    I didn't get any disks with my (new) laptop, so this is what I did:

    Control panel/sytem and security/backup and restore/create system image (I
    used an external drive because it is a huge file)
    and create system repair disc (onto a DVD disc)

    --
    --
    https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
     
  10. aaaaa

    aaaaa Flightless Bird

    Re: Re: Make backup copy of installation disk?

    On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:38:34 -0500, Tony <Tony@TheDeli.Sandwich>
    wrote:

    >You numbskull when you make a copy of a cd or dvd use the "disk-at-once" option.
    >


    That does not get me away from using cd or dvd disks for backup, does
    it.

    numbskull
     
  11. aaaaa

    aaaaa Flightless Bird

    Re: Re: Make backup copy of installation disk?

    On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:33:34 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
    <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote:


    >
    >Find, download, and install CDBurnerXP. It's free, and it easily makes
    >ISO files and easily burns them to CDs or DVDs.


    Thanks

    I have downloaded it and am trying it. My first look at the options
    indicates that just maybe one can make an ISO image file from a
    bootable installation disk and then later when and if needed, one can
    make a bootable installation disk from that ISO file. Hope so.
     
  12. aaaaa

    aaaaa Flightless Bird

    Re: Re: Make backup copy of installation disk?

    On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:33:34 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
    <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote:


    >Find, download, and install CDBurnerXP. It's free, and it easily makes
    >ISO files and easily burns them to CDs or DVDs.



    I tried it twice. Both created CDs (XP installation disk(\) were
    created, but were not bootable. When I read the web instructions, it
    appears that I would need a 'boot image' to make such CDs bootable,
    which I do not have.

    Thanks anyway
     
  13. Tony

    Tony Flightless Bird

    That's what you get for buying dogshit blank dvds/cds from India. Don't be so cheap
    buy something from this list.
    http://www.burnworld.com/dvd/media/burner-media4.htm

    aaaaa wrote:

    > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:38:34 -0500, Tony <Tony@TheDeli.Sandwich>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >You numbskull when you make a copy of a cd or dvd use the "disk-at-once" option.
    > >

    >
    > That does not get me away from using cd or dvd disks for backup, does
    > it.
    >
    > numbskull


    --
    The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG

    Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city

    Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know proper manners

    Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first day on the
    job for potty mouth,

    Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

    El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar

    Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man

    Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions beyond the
    realm of understandability

    Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday
     
  14. Tony

    Tony Flightless Bird

    You nitwit if the original cd or dvd is bootable the cd or dvd image will
    be bootable unless your cd writer is from the early 1990's and even at that
    i doubt there's any copy protection on the cd or dvd in the first place.
    USE THE "DISC-AT-ONCE" OPTION!!! If there's copywrite protection and it's a
    dvd use anydvd from a warez site.

    aaaaa wrote:

    > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:33:34 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
    > <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote:
    >
    > >Find, download, and install CDBurnerXP. It's free, and it easily makes
    > >ISO files and easily burns them to CDs or DVDs.

    >
    > I tried it twice. Both created CDs (XP installation disk(\) were
    > created, but were not bootable. When I read the web instructions, it
    > appears that I would need a 'boot image' to make such CDs bootable,
    > which I do not have.
    >
    > Thanks anyway


    --
    The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG

    Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city

    Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know proper
    manners

    Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first
    day on the job for potty mouth,

    Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

    El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar

    Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man

    Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions
    beyond the realm of understandability

    Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday
     
  15. Dave-UK

    Dave-UK Flightless Bird

    Re: Re: Make backup copy of installation disk?

    "aaaaa" <b@c.d> wrote in message news:mjkmk51ki7gfqbqjm87t77qum0klev895e@4ax.com...
    > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:33:34 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
    > <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Find, download, and install CDBurnerXP. It's free, and it easily makes
    >>ISO files and easily burns them to CDs or DVDs.

    >
    >
    > I tried it twice. Both created CDs (XP installation disk(\) were
    > created, but were not bootable. When I read the web instructions, it
    > appears that I would need a 'boot image' to make such CDs bootable,
    > which I do not have.
    >
    > Thanks anyway


    You seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill here.
    If you buy a Win7 system which comes with an installation
    DVD just copy the DVD. If the original was bootable then
    the copy will be bootable.
    Use the free Imgburn to read your installation DVD, here
    are the steps to do that:
    http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=6379
    You can select to save between iso, bin or img/cue file types.
    That will create a bootable iso image file.
    Here is how to burn the bootable image file to a blank DVD:
    http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=61

    Download ImgBurn from here:
    http://www.imgburn.com/

    You say you don't trust DVDs for storage but Win7 will be long
    gone before your DVD starts to disintegrate.

    As I said in my first post you don't need to mess about with
    DVDs for storage/backup, just use Win7 to image itself onto
    another hard disk - either internal or external. My Win7 64 C
    drive image is 28 G/b.
    Then if your C drive crashes or you want to fit a bigger drive,
    boot from the Win7 repair CD and restore the image.
    You can create the Win7 repair CD anytime, it's 145 M/b and has
    repair tools on it as well.
     
  16. Seth

    Seth Flightless Bird

    Re: Re: Make backup copy of installation disk?

    "aaaaa" <b@c.d> wrote in message
    news:mjkmk51ki7gfqbqjm87t77qum0klev895e@4ax.com...
    > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:33:34 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
    > <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Find, download, and install CDBurnerXP. It's free, and it easily makes
    >>ISO files and easily burns them to CDs or DVDs.

    >
    >
    > I tried it twice. Both created CDs (XP installation disk(\) were
    > created, but were not bootable. When I read the web instructions, it
    > appears that I would need a 'boot image' to make such CDs bootable,
    > which I do not have.



    If the disk you made the ISO image from was bootable, then the disk you burn
    from the ISO will be bootable too.

    Unless instead of making an image, you are mastering your own disk by copy
    all the files over via the file tree, then yes, you would need a boot image
    to make it bootable with.

    The issue is not with the tools, it is something you are doing wrong because
    I use the same tools to make a bootable backup of a bootable CD or DVD all
    the time with no problems.
     
  17. Lord Vetinari

    Lord Vetinari Flightless Bird

    "Alex Clayton" <Alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:pOudnYNRdugj39fWnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@nventure.com...
    > "aaaaa" <b@c.d> wrote in message
    > news:glckk5lgh9onqi6hpvs156uc194dhitgbj@4ax.com...
    >> If I buy a Window 7 system, can I back up the installation DVD to
    >> guard against the original disk becoming unreadable? If so how?
    >>
    >> I ask because years in the past, when I used NERO to make a CD copy of
    >> an XP CD installation disk, the second CD disk was not bootable. This
    >> hurt because when my original XP CD failed, I had to coerce MS to send
    >> me a new one. Pain.
    >>
    >> I think what I want to do is make an ISO image which when used to
    >> create a second installation disk, it will be bootable. Sound right?
    >> If I can do this, then I could store the ISO image file on a backup
    >> hard drive which I trust more than a DVD disk. I don't trust the
    >> shelf life of those disks any more.
    >>
    >> Well anyway, I tried Nero again on said old XP CD disk, and it
    >> generated an .nrg image file, which when I used it to burn a new CD
    >> disk, that disk would not boot either.
    >>
    >> Can someone advise how I can do what I need to do?


    Use one of the .iso programs. They make good .iso images, and I've never
    had any trouble with them, aside from the fact that Neverwinter Nights won't
    recognize a copy of the play disc. I expect there's a solution to that, but
    until I finish moving, I don't have time to mess with it.

    > If you buy a new computer some come with a partition to restore them to
    > the factory condition, and a disk. Many will allow you to burn recovery
    > disks also as a back up. Some will only let you do this one time. I bought
    > a couple Gateways for Christmas that did not have a patrician but allowed
    > me to make a couple sets of back up disks.


    Fortunately for me, I _am_ the patrician!

    > Win.7 also seems to have a built in program to make a mirror drive image.
    > I am assuming like Arconis. Have not tried using it yet.
    > Check the one you want to buy and see how it's set up for this.
    > --
    > There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who
    > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
    > and find out for themselves.
    > Will Rogers
     
  18. Gene E. Bloch

    Gene E. Bloch Flightless Bird

    On 1/11/10, aaaaa posted:
    > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:33:34 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
    > <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote:



    >> Find, download, and install CDBurnerXP. It's free, and it easily makes
    >> ISO files and easily burns them to CDs or DVDs.



    > I tried it twice. Both created CDs (XP installation disk(\) were
    > created, but were not bootable. When I read the web instructions, it
    > appears that I would need a 'boot image' to make such CDs bootable,
    > which I do not have.


    > Thanks anyway


    Were you careful to choose the option "Burn ISO image"? If you burned
    the ISO to the disc as a *data* disc, it won't be bootable. It won't be
    much of anything...

    --
    Gene Bloch 650.366.4267 lettersatblochg.com
     
  19. Lord Vetinari

    Lord Vetinari Flightless Bird

    "Gene E. Bloch" <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hilkp1$9ek$1@news.albasani.net...
    > On 1/11/10, aaaaa posted:
    >> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:33:34 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
    >> <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote:

    >
    >
    >>> Find, download, and install CDBurnerXP. It's free, and it easily makes
    >>> ISO files and easily burns them to CDs or DVDs.

    >
    >
    >> I tried it twice. Both created CDs (XP installation disk(\) were
    >> created, but were not bootable. When I read the web instructions, it
    >> appears that I would need a 'boot image' to make such CDs bootable,
    >> which I do not have.

    >
    >> Thanks anyway

    >
    > Were you careful to choose the option "Burn ISO image"? If you burned the
    > ISO to the disc as a *data* disc, it won't be bootable. It won't be much
    > of anything...


    Heh...a couple of times, I accidentally burned to a DVD, when it needed to
    be a CD, and vice versa. Took a couple of minutes to figure out what I'd
    done wrong.
     
  20. Gene E. Bloch

    Gene E. Bloch Flightless Bird

    On 1/14/10, Lord Vetinari posted:
    > "Gene E. Bloch" <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:hilkp1$9ek$1@news.albasani.net...
    >> On 1/11/10, aaaaa posted:
    >>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:33:34 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
    >>> <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote:

    >>
    >>
    >>>> Find, download, and install CDBurnerXP. It's free, and it easily makes
    >>>> ISO files and easily burns them to CDs or DVDs.

    >>
    >>
    >>> I tried it twice. Both created CDs (XP installation disk(\) were
    >>> created, but were not bootable. When I read the web instructions, it
    >>> appears that I would need a 'boot image' to make such CDs bootable,
    >>> which I do not have.

    >>
    >>> Thanks anyway

    >>
    >> Were you careful to choose the option "Burn ISO image"? If you burned the
    >> ISO to the disc as a *data* disc, it won't be bootable. It won't be much of
    >> anything...


    > Heh...a couple of times, I accidentally burned to a DVD, when it needed to be
    > a CD, and vice versa. Took a couple of minutes to figure out what I'd done
    > wrong.


    Interesting. I had assumed that doing that would just waste a few GB of
    unused track and a few pennies.

    Meaning that say 100 MB is about 1/7 of a CD and 1/44 of a DVD, but I
    thought either one would boot the same.

    Needless to say, I never tried that, so I had no way of knowing.

    --
    Gene Bloch 650.366.4267 lettersatblochg.com
     

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