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Machine shuts down, can't find boot device

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Allen, Jan 4, 2010.

  1. Allen

    Allen Flightless Bird

    I have a strange (to me) problem. I am running Win7 Home Premium 32, on
    a Dell Inspiron 531. Four times since some time during the night it has
    shut down for no apparent reason and failed to restart because it could
    not find a boot device. I have to restart with F12 key to bring up the
    boot menu. The error log shows four entries in the "Critical" category,
    all with the description

    Log Name: System
    Source: Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power
    Date: 1/4/2010 7:29:48 AM
    Event ID: 41
    Task Category: (63)
    Level: Critical
    Keywords: (2)
    User: SYSTEM
    Computer: Allen-PC
    Description:
    The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error
    could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power
    unexpectedly.
    Event Xml:
    <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
    <System>
    <Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power"
    Guid="{331C3B3A-2005-44C2-AC5E-77220C37D6B4}" />
    <EventID>41</EventID>
    <Version>2</Version>
    <Level>1</Level>
    <Task>63</Task>
    <Opcode>0</Opcode>
    <Keywords>0x8000000000000002</Keywords>
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2010-01-04T13:29:48.229600000Z" />
    <EventRecordID>303845</EventRecordID>
    <Correlation />
    <Execution ProcessID="4" ThreadID="8" />
    <Channel>System</Channel>
    <Computer>Allen-PC</Computer>
    <Security UserID="S-1-5-18" />
    </System>
    <EventData>
    <Data Name="BugcheckCode">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BugcheckParameter1">0x0</Data>
    <Data Name="BugcheckParameter2">0x0</Data>
    <Data Name="BugcheckParameter3">0x0</Data>
    <Data Name="BugcheckParameter4">0x0</Data>
    <Data Name="SleepInProgress">false</Data>
    <Data Name="PowerButtonTimestamp">0</Data>
    </EventData>
    </Event>

    I tried to run chkdsk (before I thought about the Event Log, but it shut
    down while ckhdsk was running. The boot device is SATA 3, my C: drive. I
    can access all the files on this drive. There have been no power
    failures that I have detected, and I have an APS UPS which is in good
    working condition. And, of course, all four shutdowns happened while I
    wasn't at the computer.

    Hardware? Software? I'm stumped. Does anyone have any ideas?

    Allen
     
  2. Enkidu

    Enkidu Flightless Bird

    Allen wrote:

    > And, of course, all four shutdowns happened while I
    > wasn't at the computer.


    Have you checked your power settings? Could it have been trying to
    hibernate and failed? I'd get it rebooted, turn off all powersaving
    features (disk spin-down, sleep, hibernate, monitor shut-down) and see
    if it happened again. If it does, tell me I'm stupid, and look
    elsewhere. If it doesn't happen, then you've narrowed the problem down.

    --
    Enkidu
     
  3. MJMIII

    MJMIII Flightless Bird

    "Allen" <allent@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:IfidnUiZ4YArot_WnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com...
    > I have a strange (to me) problem. I am running Win7 Home Premium 32, on a
    > Dell Inspiron 531. Four times since some time during the night it has shut
    > down for no apparent reason and failed to restart because it could not
    > find a boot device. I have to restart with F12 key to bring up the boot
    > menu. The error log shows four entries in the "Critical" category, all
    > with the description
    >
    >
    > I tried to run chkdsk (before I thought about the Event Log, but it shut
    > down while ckhdsk was running. The boot device is SATA 3, my C: drive. I
    > can access all the files on this drive. There have been no power failures
    > that I have detected, and I have an APS UPS which is in good working
    > condition. And, of course, all four shutdowns happened while I wasn't at
    > the computer.
    >
    > Hardware? Software? I'm stumped. Does anyone have any ideas?
    >
    > Allen


    Could be a heat problem. Check the fan.
    --


    "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
    If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
     
  4. Allen

    Allen Flightless Bird

    Enkidu wrote:
    > Allen wrote:
    >
    >> And, of course, all four shutdowns happened while I
    >> wasn't at the computer.

    >
    > Have you checked your power settings? Could it have been trying to
    > hibernate and failed? I'd get it rebooted, turn off all powersaving
    > features (disk spin-down, sleep, hibernate, monitor shut-down) and see
    > if it happened again. If it does, tell me I'm stupid, and look
    > elsewhere. If it doesn't happen, then you've narrowed the problem down.
    >

    Thanks, acquaintance of Gilgamesh. I've checked and all the power
    settings I could find were set to keep running--other than the monitor,
    which cuts off at three hours.
    Allen
     
  5. Allen

    Allen Flightless Bird

    MJMIII wrote:
    > "Allen" <allent@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
    > news:IfidnUiZ4YArot_WnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com...
    >> I have a strange (to me) problem. I am running Win7 Home Premium 32,
    >> on a Dell Inspiron 531. Four times since some time during the night it
    >> has shut down for no apparent reason and failed to restart because it
    >> could not find a boot device. I have to restart with F12 key to bring
    >> up the boot menu. The error log shows four entries in the "Critical"
    >> category, all with the description
    >>
    >>
    >> I tried to run chkdsk (before I thought about the Event Log, but it
    >> shut down while ckhdsk was running. The boot device is SATA 3, my C:
    >> drive. I can access all the files on this drive. There have been no
    >> power failures that I have detected, and I have an APS UPS which is in
    >> good working condition. And, of course, all four shutdowns happened
    >> while I wasn't at the computer.
    >>
    >> Hardware? Software? I'm stumped. Does anyone have any ideas?
    >>
    >> Allen

    >
    > Could be a heat problem. Check the fan.

    I had thought about the power supply, but not about the fan. And I don't
    hear any sound emanating from the case, nor do I feel any flow around
    the grills. I think you have probably solved it. If you're wrong, don't
    worry--I won't kill you, although I'll turn 81 in about six weeks.
    Allen
     
  6. Ato_Zee

    Ato_Zee Flightless Bird

    On 4-Jan-2010, "MJMIII" <balrog@castaway.net> wrote:

    > > Hardware? Software? I'm stumped. Does anyone have any ideas?


    If it can't find boot device, go into BIOS and satisfy yourself that
    all your drives are seen by BIOS, then check boot order and make
    sure the boot drive is the one set to boot from.
    For my BIOS boot order can be set with + or -. to shift
    drives up and down the list.
    Often it is best to put the boot device hard drive on IDE1, or
    in the case of SATA on SATA1, since that is what it usually
    defaults to.
    Then it should see the correct boot device and boot.
    As to a permanent solution, kernal power failure, can
    point to a process not shutting down correctly, usually
    a problem application. So did it always fail to find boot
    device? If it was like that from new it would be a warranty
    problem.
    What you can now try is a process killer, where you can
    select what apps/processes to kill. Takes about 3 secs
    to run, then you should have a clean shutdown.
    There are many, try Aiglon Process Killer.
    Useful for burning, or installing apps, where it says
    close all apps.
    And of course run a full all files rootkit, virus and trojan scan,
    with one of the better, authentic retail, tools.
    There is a tendency to d/l P2P virus tools, substitute a
    patched, compromised .exe, and wonder why the protection
    has failed..

    > > I tried to run chkdsk (before I thought about the Event Log, but it shut
    > > down while ckhdsk was running.


    Not normal, BIOS should show the make of the drive, and the
    drive mfrs site will have a drive test utility, which runs from
    floppy or can be burnt to a boot CD.
    Run the quick and full tests to satisfy yourself the drive
    is OK (athough not necessarily for Win7) since you
    may have to fiddle with the BIOS drive settings before
    Win7 is happy with it.
     
  7. Ophelia

    Ophelia Flightless Bird

    "MJMIII" <balrog@castaway.net> wrote in message
    news:lbWdneVtwYZC2d_WnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
    > "Allen" <allent@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
    > news:IfidnUiZ4YArot_WnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com...
    >> I have a strange (to me) problem. I am running Win7 Home Premium 32, on a
    >> Dell Inspiron 531. Four times since some time during the night it has
    >> shut down for no apparent reason and failed to restart because it could
    >> not find a boot device. I have to restart with F12 key to bring up the
    >> boot menu. The error log shows four entries in the "Critical" category,
    >> all with the description
    >>
    >>
    >> I tried to run chkdsk (before I thought about the Event Log, but it shut
    >> down while ckhdsk was running. The boot device is SATA 3, my C: drive. I
    >> can access all the files on this drive. There have been no power failures
    >> that I have detected, and I have an APS UPS which is in good working
    >> condition. And, of course, all four shutdowns happened while I wasn't at
    >> the computer.
    >>
    >> Hardware? Software? I'm stumped. Does anyone have any ideas?
    >>
    >> Allen

    >
    > Could be a heat problem. Check the fan.


    I had that problem with my previous laptop. I bought a fan thingy from pc
    world. It is like a tray that the laptop sits on and it has a fan
    incorporated. Sorry can't remember what it was called. It worked ok
    though.
    --
    --

    https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
     
  8. Grenou

    Grenou Flightless Bird

    "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
    news:7qgiofFj9uU1@mid.individual.net...
    >

    -snip-
    >>
    >> Could be a heat problem. Check the fan.

    >
    > I had that problem with my previous laptop. I bought a fan thingy from pc
    > world. It is like a tray that the laptop sits on and it has a fan
    > incorporated. Sorry can't remember what it was called. It worked ok
    > though.
    > --
    > --
    >
    > https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/


    It's called a Laptop Cooling Pad ;-)

    Grenou
     
  9. Ophelia

    Ophelia Flightless Bird

    "Grenou" <Iamhere@someofthetime.com> wrote in message
    news:Ra-dnXWlrdrUgN7WnZ2dnUVZ8iidnZ2d@bt.com...
    >
    >
    > "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
    > news:7qgiofFj9uU1@mid.individual.net...
    >>

    > -snip-
    >>>
    >>> Could be a heat problem. Check the fan.

    >>
    >> I had that problem with my previous laptop. I bought a fan thingy from
    >> pc world. It is like a tray that the laptop sits on and it has a fan
    >> incorporated. Sorry can't remember what it was called. It worked ok
    >> though.


    > It's called a Laptop Cooling Pad ;-)


    Ahaaaaaaaa thank you m'dear:))

    --
    --

    https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
     
  10. James@nowhere.com

    James@nowhere.com Flightless Bird

    On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:06:48 -0000, "Grenou"
    <Iamhere@someofthetime.com> wrote:

    >
    >
    >"Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
    >news:7qgiofFj9uU1@mid.individual.net...
    >>

    >-snip-
    >>>
    >>> Could be a heat problem. Check the fan.

    >>
    >> I had that problem with my previous laptop. I bought a fan thingy from pc
    >> world. It is like a tray that the laptop sits on and it has a fan
    >> incorporated. Sorry can't remember what it was called. It worked ok
    >> though.
    >> --
    >> --
    >>
    >> https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

    >
    >It's called a Laptop Cooling Pad ;-)
    >
    >Grenou



    Slightly off the point, but I use a transformer-powered cooling pad
    inside my audio system cabinet to keep airflow around the equipment.
    Used to lose DVR recording due to heat; now it doesn't. (Note to
    trollers: I can't install a permanent fan because of the design and
    layout of the cabinet.)

    James
     
  11. Dick Mahar

    Dick Mahar Flightless Bird

    "Allen" <allent@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:IfidnUiZ4YArot_WnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com...
    > I have a strange (to me) problem. I am running Win7 Home Premium 32, on a
    > Dell Inspiron 531. Four times since some time during the night it has shut
    > down for no apparent reason and failed to restart because it could not
    > find a boot device. I have to restart with F12 key to bring up the boot
    > menu. The error log shows four entries in the "Critical" category, all
    > with the description
    >
    > Log Name: System
    > Source: Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power
    > Date: 1/4/2010 7:29:48 AM
    > Event ID: 41
    > Task Category: (63)
    > Level: Critical
    > Keywords: (2)
    > User: SYSTEM
    > Computer: Allen-PC
    > Description:
    > The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error
    > could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power
    > unexpectedly.
    > Event Xml:
    > <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
    > <System>
    > <Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power"
    > Guid="{331C3B3A-2005-44C2-AC5E-77220C37D6B4}" />
    > <EventID>41</EventID>
    > <Version>2</Version>
    > <Level>1</Level>
    > <Task>63</Task>
    > <Opcode>0</Opcode>
    > <Keywords>0x8000000000000002</Keywords>
    > <TimeCreated SystemTime="2010-01-04T13:29:48.229600000Z" />
    > <EventRecordID>303845</EventRecordID>
    > <Correlation />
    > <Execution ProcessID="4" ThreadID="8" />
    > <Channel>System</Channel>
    > <Computer>Allen-PC</Computer>
    > <Security UserID="S-1-5-18" />
    > </System>
    > <EventData>
    > <Data Name="BugcheckCode">0</Data>
    > <Data Name="BugcheckParameter1">0x0</Data>
    > <Data Name="BugcheckParameter2">0x0</Data>
    > <Data Name="BugcheckParameter3">0x0</Data>
    > <Data Name="BugcheckParameter4">0x0</Data>
    > <Data Name="SleepInProgress">false</Data>
    > <Data Name="PowerButtonTimestamp">0</Data>
    > </EventData>
    > </Event>
    >
    > I tried to run chkdsk (before I thought about the Event Log, but it shut
    > down while ckhdsk was running. The boot device is SATA 3, my C: drive. I
    > can access all the files on this drive. There have been no power failures
    > that I have detected, and I have an APS UPS which is in good working
    > condition. And, of course, all four shutdowns happened while I wasn't at
    > the computer.
    >
    > Hardware? Software? I'm stumped. Does anyone have any ideas?
    >
    > Allen


    Check your Sleep and or hibernate settings.
     
  12. Allen

    Allen Flightless Bird

    Dick Mahar wrote:
    >
    >
    > "Allen" <allent@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
    > news:IfidnUiZ4YArot_WnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com...
    >> I have a strange (to me) problem. I am running Win7 Home Premium 32,
    >> on a Dell Inspiron 531. Four times since some time during the night it
    >> has shut down for no apparent reason and failed to restart because it
    >> could not find a boot device. I have to restart with F12 key to bring
    >> up the boot menu. The error log shows four entries in the "Critical"
    >> category, all with the description
    >>
    >> Log Name: System
    >> Source: Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power
    >> Date: 1/4/2010 7:29:48 AM
    >> Event ID: 41
    >> Task Category: (63)
    >> Level: Critical
    >> Keywords: (2)
    >> User: SYSTEM
    >> Computer: Allen-PC
    >> Description:
    >> The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This
    >> error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or
    >> lost power unexpectedly.
    >> Event Xml:
    >> <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
    >> <System>
    >> <Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power"
    >> Guid="{331C3B3A-2005-44C2-AC5E-77220C37D6B4}" />
    >> <EventID>41</EventID>
    >> <Version>2</Version>
    >> <Level>1</Level>
    >> <Task>63</Task>
    >> <Opcode>0</Opcode>
    >> <Keywords>0x8000000000000002</Keywords>
    >> <TimeCreated SystemTime="2010-01-04T13:29:48.229600000Z" />
    >> <EventRecordID>303845</EventRecordID>
    >> <Correlation />
    >> <Execution ProcessID="4" ThreadID="8" />
    >> <Channel>System</Channel>
    >> <Computer>Allen-PC</Computer>
    >> <Security UserID="S-1-5-18" />
    >> </System>
    >> <EventData>
    >> <Data Name="BugcheckCode">0</Data>
    >> <Data Name="BugcheckParameter1">0x0</Data>
    >> <Data Name="BugcheckParameter2">0x0</Data>
    >> <Data Name="BugcheckParameter3">0x0</Data>
    >> <Data Name="BugcheckParameter4">0x0</Data>
    >> <Data Name="SleepInProgress">false</Data>
    >> <Data Name="PowerButtonTimestamp">0</Data>
    >> </EventData>
    >> </Event>
    >>
    >> I tried to run chkdsk (before I thought about the Event Log, but it
    >> shut down while ckhdsk was running. The boot device is SATA 3, my C:
    >> drive. I can access all the files on this drive. There have been no
    >> power failures that I have detected, and I have an APS UPS which is in
    >> good working condition. And, of course, all four shutdowns happened
    >> while I wasn't at the computer.
    >>
    >> Hardware? Software? I'm stumped. Does anyone have any ideas?
    >>
    >> Allen

    >
    > Check your Sleep and or hibernate settings.

    They are all off. The only power-limiting setting is 3 hours on the
    monitor display.
    Allen
     
  13. Ato_Zee

    Ato_Zee Flightless Bird

    On 6-Jan-2010, Allen <allent@austin.rr.com> wrote:

    > >> Hardware? Software? I'm stumped. Does anyone have any ideas?
    > >>
    > >> Allen

    > >
    > > Check your Sleep and or hibernate settings.

    > They are all off. The only power-limiting setting is 3 hours on the
    > monitor display.
    > Allen


    You haven't told us what the BIOS says before boot starts, or
    in this case doesn't.
    That's the key, does BIOS correctly identify all the drives, and
    which drive does it show as the boot drive in boot drive
    management.
    I have OS and data drives, C:/ and D:/ respectively, and C:/
    is in a caddy, so I can easily swap OS's. Like XP supports
    some things that Win7 doesn't.
    Occasionally, I get the no boot/system drive message, and when
    I check in BIOS the boot drive is shown as D:/, I just
    reset the boot drive to the C:/ one, and bingo it boots.
    It only happens occasionally after swapping boot drives,
    but provided your BIOS can see the boot drive, and is
    set to boot from it, then it should boot.
     
  14. Ophelia

    Ophelia Flightless Bird

    <James@nowhere.com> wrote in message
    news:5vp6k5p2b1oa70ssabc8dbecje19vu53lr@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:06:48 -0000, "Grenou"
    > <Iamhere@someofthetime.com> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>"Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
    >>news:7qgiofFj9uU1@mid.individual.net...
    >>>

    >>-snip-
    >>>>
    >>>> Could be a heat problem. Check the fan.
    >>>
    >>> I had that problem with my previous laptop. I bought a fan thingy from
    >>> pc
    >>> world. It is like a tray that the laptop sits on and it has a fan
    >>> incorporated. Sorry can't remember what it was called. It worked ok
    >>> though.

    >>
    >>It's called a Laptop Cooling Pad ;-)
    >>
    >>Grenou

    >
    >
    > Slightly off the point, but I use a transformer-powered cooling pad
    > inside my audio system cabinet to keep airflow around the equipment.
    > Used to lose DVR recording due to heat; now it doesn't. (Note to
    > trollers: I can't install a permanent fan because of the design and
    > layout of the cabinet.)


    Oh allright then! <g>
    --
    --

    https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
     
  15. Allen

    Allen Flightless Bird

    Ato_Zee wrote:
    > On 6-Jan-2010, Allen <allent@austin.rr.com> wrote:
    >
    >>>> Hardware? Software? I'm stumped. Does anyone have any ideas?
    >>>>
    >>>> Allen
    >>> Check your Sleep and or hibernate settings.

    >> They are all off. The only power-limiting setting is 3 hours on the
    >> monitor display.
    >> Allen

    >
    > You haven't told us what the BIOS says before boot starts, or
    > in this case doesn't.
    > That's the key, does BIOS correctly identify all the drives, and
    > which drive does it show as the boot drive in boot drive
    > management.
    > I have OS and data drives, C:/ and D:/ respectively, and C:/
    > is in a caddy, so I can easily swap OS's. Like XP supports
    > some things that Win7 doesn't.
    > Occasionally, I get the no boot/system drive message, and when
    > I check in BIOS the boot drive is shown as D:/, I just
    > reset the boot drive to the C:/ one, and bingo it boots.
    > It only happens occasionally after swapping boot drives,
    > but provided your BIOS can see the boot drive, and is
    > set to boot from it, then it should boot.

    I cannot access BIOS, unless there is some way unknown to me to see
    what's in it while the machine is running. When I try to open it with F8
    at boot, I get the same old "no boot device found".
    Allen
     
  16. Ato_Zee

    Ato_Zee Flightless Bird

    On 6-Jan-2010, Allen <allent@austin.rr.com> wrote:

    > I cannot access BIOS, unless there is some way unknown to me to see
    > what's in it while the machine is running. When I try to open it with F8
    > at boot, I get the same old "no boot device found".
    > Allen


    You need to access BIOS before it tries to boot, and for most
    BIOS's you switch on, and keep tapping the Delete key.
    If you have a user manual it may give a different key, or
    a key combination..
    One of the BIOS main functions is to set the device to
    boot from, the boot order, my choices are floppy, if that fails
    CDROM, and finally if none of these are bootable, hard drive.
    Then in hard drive order I can move with + or - which hard
    drive to try to boot from.
    Selecting C:/ the boot drive, it boots.
    The catastrophy for most is hard drive failure when the
    restore sector is on the hard drive that has failed.
    If you have a restore CD then swapping the drive and
    setting to boot from the restore CD may save the
    day. Which starts from accessing the BIOS.
    Only problem with BIOS's is that they have a battery,
    generally a watch type coin cell. After a couple of
    years or so that goes flat, and BIOS settings become
    unreliable.
    With mine it goes to "loading bios defaults" and boots,
    except the date time is the year 1900. Time to change
    the battery.
    Google for your machine model and bios.
     
  17. Enkidu

    Enkidu Flightless Bird

    Allen wrote:

    > I cannot access BIOS, unless there is some way unknown to me to see
    > what's in it while the machine is running. When I try to open it with F8
    > at boot, I get the same old "no boot device found".
    > Allen


    Try F-2 or F-12, or even TAB at boot up. You might have to press it
    several times as the system boots so you get it entered after the
    keyboard is recognized and before it attemts a normal boot.

    --
    Enkidu
     
  18. Allen

    Allen Flightless Bird

    Enkidu wrote:
    > Allen wrote:
    >
    >> I cannot access BIOS, unless there is some way unknown to me to see
    >> what's in it while the machine is running. When I try to open it with F8
    >> at boot, I get the same old "no boot device found".
    >> Allen

    >
    > Try F-2 or F-12, or even TAB at boot up. You might have to press it
    > several times as the system boots so you get it entered after the
    > keyboard is recognized and before it attemts a normal boot.
    >

    As I have said, I CANNOT open BIOS.I've tried all the various keys and
    combinations, and all I get is the same old, same old "no boot device".
    I would be very surprised if the BIOS battery is shot, as the machine is
    21 months old; I have changed a BIOS battery only once, on a CompuAdd
    machine bought about 22 years ago. I was the PC guru (I couldn't get out
    of it) from the first PCs until I retired in 1993 and nne of those
    machines ever had a battery problem.
    Allen
     
  19. Enkidu

    Enkidu Flightless Bird

    Allen wrote:

    > Enkidu wrote:
    >> Allen wrote:
    >>
    >>> I cannot access BIOS, unless there is some way unknown to me to see
    >>> what's in it while the machine is running. When I try to open it with F8
    >>> at boot, I get the same old "no boot device found".
    >>> Allen

    >>
    >> Try F-2 or F-12, or even TAB at boot up. You might have to press it
    >> several times as the system boots so you get it entered after the
    >> keyboard is recognized and before it attemts a normal boot.
    >>

    > As I have said, I CANNOT open BIOS.I've tried all the various keys and
    > combinations, and all I get is the same old, same old "no boot device".
    > I would be very surprised if the BIOS battery is shot, as the machine is
    > 21 months old; I have changed a BIOS battery only once, on a CompuAdd
    > machine bought about 22 years ago. I was the PC guru (I couldn't get out
    > of it) from the first PCs until I retired in 1993 and nne of those
    > machines ever had a battery problem.


    I would be surprised to learn that a dead battery on the MB caused you
    to not be able to access the BIOS. There somply has to be a keyboard
    combination to access the BIOS, but you'd have to enter that key or
    combination repreatedly as you booted up, and it should enter the BIOS
    setup scree before it tried to boot frm the hard drive. If it doesn't,
    your MB or youe BIOS is just dead.

    One other idea - you aren't using a wireless keyboard, are you? If you
    are, get a different wired keyboard and try that. If you're using a USB
    keyboard, try an old PS2 keyboard . . . perhaps your keyboard isn't
    being recognized by the BIOS but by the OS which isn't booting. If that
    were the case, you the computer never sees what you type.

    --
    Enkidu
     
  20. Allen

    Allen Flightless Bird

    Enkidu wrote:
    > Allen wrote:
    >
    >> Enkidu wrote:
    >>> Allen wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I cannot access BIOS, unless there is some way unknown to me to see
    >>>> what's in it while the machine is running. When I try to open it with F8
    >>>> at boot, I get the same old "no boot device found".
    >>>> Allen
    >>> Try F-2 or F-12, or even TAB at boot up. You might have to press it
    >>> several times as the system boots so you get it entered after the
    >>> keyboard is recognized and before it attemts a normal boot.
    >>>

    >> As I have said, I CANNOT open BIOS.I've tried all the various keys and
    >> combinations, and all I get is the same old, same old "no boot device".
    >> I would be very surprised if the BIOS battery is shot, as the machine is
    >> 21 months old; I have changed a BIOS battery only once, on a CompuAdd
    >> machine bought about 22 years ago. I was the PC guru (I couldn't get out
    >> of it) from the first PCs until I retired in 1993 and nne of those
    >> machines ever had a battery problem.

    >
    > I would be surprised to learn that a dead battery on the MB caused you
    > to not be able to access the BIOS. There somply has to be a keyboard
    > combination to access the BIOS, but you'd have to enter that key or
    > combination repreatedly as you booted up, and it should enter the BIOS
    > setup scree before it tried to boot frm the hard drive. If it doesn't,
    > your MB or youe BIOS is just dead.
    >
    > One other idea - you aren't using a wireless keyboard, are you? If you
    > are, get a different wired keyboard and try that. If you're using a USB
    > keyboard, try an old PS2 keyboard . . . perhaps your keyboard isn't
    > being recognized by the BIOS but by the OS which isn't booting. If that
    > were the case, you the computer never sees what you type.
    >

    No, I'm using a USB KB, but I might try another. just in case. Further
    comments: you mentioned pressing F keys multiple times--my rule is to
    press them at least 60 times, unless something happens sooner. And about
    BIOS batteries--my computer is never off for extended periods, except
    for opening the case or when bad weather indicates chances for damage; I
    have had very, very few hardware problems over the years, going back to
    analog days starting in 1954.
    Allen
     

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