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Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by ~~Alan~~, Jul 9, 2010.

  1. ~~Alan~~

    ~~Alan~~ Flightless Bird

    My daughter's laptop has Windows 7 Home premium installed. She will be
    taking the system to school with her and her school suggests Windows 7
    Professionial. Her school is offering a substantial student discount for
    Professional and I would like to buy the license and upgrade her system.
    What then becomes of the Home Premium license? Can I use/xfer it to another
    PC?

    thanks,
    ~alan
     
  2. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    On 7/9/2010 5:31 PM, ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    > My daughter's laptop has Windows 7 Home premium installed. She will be
    > taking the system to school with her and her school suggests Windows 7
    > Professionial. Her school is offering a substantial student discount for
    > Professional and I would like to buy the license and upgrade her system.
    > What then becomes of the Home Premium license? Can I use/xfer it to
    > another PC?
    >
    > thanks,
    > ~alan


    No, you lose it. Why, pray tell, does the school require Pro?

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    Alias
     
  3. Gordon

    Gordon Flightless Bird

    On 09/07/2010 16:36, Alias wrote:
    > On 7/9/2010 5:31 PM, ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    >> My daughter's laptop has Windows 7 Home premium installed. She will be
    >> taking the system to school with her and her school suggests Windows 7
    >> Professionial. Her school is offering a substantial student discount for
    >> Professional and I would like to buy the license and upgrade her system.
    >> What then becomes of the Home Premium license? Can I use/xfer it to
    >> another PC?
    >>
    >> thanks,
    >> ~alan

    >
    > No, you lose it. Why, pray tell, does the school require Pro?
    >


    Probably has a domain server. Home editions can't join a Domain Server.
    (They can use network resources, but can't join the domain)

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  4. Gordon

    Gordon Flightless Bird

    On 09/07/2010 16:31, ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    > My daughter's laptop has Windows 7 Home premium installed. She will be
    > taking the system to school with her and her school suggests Windows 7
    > Professionial. Her school is offering a substantial student discount for
    > Professional and I would like to buy the license and upgrade her system.
    > What then becomes of the Home Premium license? Can I use/xfer it to
    > another PC?
    >


    No. The Licence is OEM and cannot be transferred to any other machine...


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  5. R. C. White

    R. C. White Flightless Bird

    Hi, Alan.

    If the laptop was bought with Win7 pre-installed, then that copy of Windows
    is bound forever to that hardware. She could use an Upgrade version of Win7
    Pro, which would be cheaper than "full retail", because it would use the
    existing Win7 installation to qualify for the upgrade price. But the
    student price is probably significantly less than even the retail upgrade
    price, so she can buy that and use it to Upgrade her Home Premium. Or
    "clean install" the student Pro and keep the OEM license on standby, "just
    in case". (She could even clean install Pro into a second partition and
    dual-boot them - but there's probably not much point in that unless she's a
    Computer Science major.)

    I'm no expert on licensing issues, but that is my understanding.

    RC
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    "~~Alan~~" wrote in message news:i17fbu$jh7$1@speranza.aioe.org...

    My daughter's laptop has Windows 7 Home premium installed. She will be
    taking the system to school with her and her school suggests Windows 7
    Professionial. Her school is offering a substantial student discount for
    Professional and I would like to buy the license and upgrade her system.
    What then becomes of the Home Premium license? Can I use/xfer it to another
    PC?

    thanks,
    ~alan
     
  6. ~~Alan~~

    ~~Alan~~ Flightless Bird

    "~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:i17fbu$jh7$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > My daughter's laptop has Windows 7 Home premium installed. She will be
    > taking the system to school with her and her school suggests Windows 7
    > Professionial. Her school is offering a substantial student discount for
    > Professional and I would like to buy the license and upgrade her system.
    > What then becomes of the Home Premium license? Can I use/xfer it to
    > another PC?
    >
    > thanks,
    > ~alan


    Actually, her PC came with XP pre-installed and I bought/purchased from a
    big box retailer, before I saw the school's suggestion, Home Premium
    upgrade.

    and BTW, To Alias: My original post says the schools suggests Professional,
    not requires it.

    So now that this is all cleared up, what becomes of the Home Premium
    license?

    thanks again,
    ~alan
     
  7. Gordon

    Gordon Flightless Bird

    On 09/07/2010 17:23, ~~Alan~~ wrote:

    >
    > Actually, her PC came with XP pre-installed and I bought/purchased from
    > a big box retailer, before I saw the school's suggestion, Home Premium
    > upgrade.
    >


    > So now that this is all cleared up, what becomes of the Home Premium
    > license?
    >


    So presumably it's a RETAIL license, so you can use it on another
    machine BUT you will have to supply a qualifying OS for the upgrade...


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  8. Dave \Crash\ Dummy

    Dave \Crash\ Dummy Flightless Bird

    ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    > My daughter's laptop has Windows 7 Home premium installed. She will
    > be taking the system to school with her and her school suggests
    > Windows 7 Professionial. Her school is offering a substantial
    > student discount for Professional and I would like to buy the license
    > and upgrade her system. What then becomes of the Home Premium
    > license? Can I use/xfer it to another PC?


    Technically, no. Qualifying for the upgrade means transferring the
    license for the qualifying software. But if you have a retail copy of
    Home Premium, I doubt that you have any trouble getting it authorized on
    a different computer. On the other hand, the student prices are so
    ridiculously low, why not just buy the independent install version
    instead of the upgrade? Then you won't have to worry about it.
    --
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    ~ Robert Frost ~
     
  9. relic

    relic Flightless Bird

    "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:i17ihu$v1l$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > On 09/07/2010 17:23, ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> Actually, her PC came with XP pre-installed and I bought/purchased from
    >> a big box retailer, before I saw the school's suggestion, Home Premium
    >> upgrade.
    >>

    >
    >> So now that this is all cleared up, what becomes of the Home Premium
    >> license?
    >>

    >
    > So presumably it's a RETAIL license, so you can use it on another machine
    > BUT you will have to supply a qualifying OS for the upgrade...


    Just install the 'Upgrade' twice. No Qualifying OS is needed.
     
  10. relic

    relic Flightless Bird

    "~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:i17icj$olc$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >
    >
    > So now that this is all cleared up, what becomes of the Home Premium
    > license?


    It's available to be installed on a different machine. It can upgrade Vista,
    but XP will be a quasi clean installation (an Old Windows folder will have
    the data).

    "Clean Install Windows 7 with Upgrade Media:"
    http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/clean_install_upgrade_media.asp
     
  11. Gordon

    Gordon Flightless Bird

    On 09/07/2010 17:55, relic wrote:
    >
    > "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:i17ihu$v1l$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> On 09/07/2010 17:23, ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Actually, her PC came with XP pre-installed and I bought/purchased from
    >>> a big box retailer, before I saw the school's suggestion, Home Premium
    >>> upgrade.
    >>>

    >>
    >>> So now that this is all cleared up, what becomes of the Home Premium
    >>> license?
    >>>

    >>
    >> So presumably it's a RETAIL license, so you can use it on another
    >> machine BUT you will have to supply a qualifying OS for the upgrade...

    >
    > Just install the 'Upgrade' twice. No Qualifying OS is needed.


    Which is technically in breach of the EULA because the "qualifying
    product" - XP - was an OEM version on the other machine and so cannot be
    used as the "qualifying" version on the new machine. I leave it up to
    the OP's conscience...

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  12. ~~Alan~~

    ~~Alan~~ Flightless Bird

    "Dave "Crash" Dummy" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:SgIZn.8652$wm1.4749@newsfe01.iad...
    > ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    >> My daughter's laptop has Windows 7 Home premium installed. She will
    >> be taking the system to school with her and her school suggests
    >> Windows 7 Professionial. Her school is offering a substantial
    >> student discount for Professional and I would like to buy the license
    >> and upgrade her system. What then becomes of the Home Premium
    >> license? Can I use/xfer it to another PC?

    >
    > Technically, no. Qualifying for the upgrade means transferring the
    > license for the qualifying software. But if you have a retail copy of
    > Home Premium, I doubt that you have any trouble getting it authorized on
    > a different computer. On the other hand, the student prices are so
    > ridiculously low, why not just buy the independent install version
    > instead of the upgrade? Then you won't have to worry about it.
    > --
    > Crash


    I do want to buy the student version of W7Pro but use the key to upgrade the
    home premium license rather than reinstall and reconfigure Windows (I can
    choose properties from the control panel and upgrade the license from
    there.) After that, I want to "recycle" the Home Premium key on a different
    PC.

    If I want to rebuild my kid's PC, I suppose I can reinstall W7 Pro with the
    software that I purchase from the school and reuse (as a reinstall/rebuild)
    the W7Pro key.

    ~alan
    >
    > "Something there is that doesn't love a wall, that wants it down."
    > ~ Robert Frost ~
     
  13. Ken Blake

    Ken Blake Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:31:37 -0400, "~~Alan~~"
    <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote:

    > My daughter's laptop has Windows 7 Home premium installed. She will be
    > taking the system to school with her and her school suggests Windows 7
    > Professionial. Her school is offering a substantial student discount for
    > Professional and I would like to buy the license and upgrade her system.
    > What then becomes of the Home Premium license? Can I use/xfer it to another
    > PC?




    No.

    When do you an upgrade, the copy of Windows you upgraded from becomes
    bound to the upgraded version. You end up with one license, not two.

    That's the reason an Upgrade copy costs less than a Full copy.

    If what the school offers is a Full version, I would do a clean
    installation with it, and you can then transfer the Home Premium
    license to another computer.
     
  14. Dave

    Dave Flightless Bird

    "~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:i17tkr$9q7$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >
    >
    > "Dave "Crash" Dummy" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:SgIZn.8652$wm1.4749@newsfe01.iad...
    >> ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    >>> My daughter's laptop has Windows 7 Home premium installed. She will
    >>> be taking the system to school with her and her school suggests
    >>> Windows 7 Professionial. Her school is offering a substantial
    >>> student discount for Professional and I would like to buy the license
    >>> and upgrade her system. What then becomes of the Home Premium
    >>> license? Can I use/xfer it to another PC?

    >>
    >> Technically, no. Qualifying for the upgrade means transferring the
    >> license for the qualifying software. But if you have a retail copy of
    >> Home Premium, I doubt that you have any trouble getting it authorized on
    >> a different computer. On the other hand, the student prices are so
    >> ridiculously low, why not just buy the independent install version
    >> instead of the upgrade? Then you won't have to worry about it.
    >> --
    >> Crash

    >
    > I do want to buy the student version of W7Pro but use the key to upgrade
    > the home premium license rather than reinstall and reconfigure Windows
    > (I can choose properties from the control panel and upgrade the license
    > from there.) After that, I want to "recycle" the Home Premium key on a
    > different PC.
    >
    > If I want to rebuild my kid's PC, I suppose I can reinstall W7 Pro with
    > the software that I purchase from the school and reuse (as a
    > reinstall/rebuild) the W7Pro key.
    >
    > ~alan
    >>
    >> "Something there is that doesn't love a wall, that wants it down."
    >> ~ Robert Frost ~

    >


    Alan,
    Check out this site, it is Microsoft's outlet for academic students. These
    are full-blown editions, not student editions and are cheaper than student.
    There are some requirements to prove you are a student and limits on how
    many copies you can buy. Since I've gone back to school I've bought Office
    2007 Professional, Windows 7 Professional 64 Upgrade and just bought Office
    2010 Professional. Prices you see are for download and you can burn them to
    CD or DVD or if you want you can get an official disk for an extra $15
    (IIRC). I chose the official disk option and the packaging does not look
    like the picture, but is still an official MS product and can be resold if
    you later don't need it. I contacted MS before I bought Office 2010 and they
    said it was ok to sell Office 2007. (This is where purchase limits come into
    play so you can't use this as a money-maker.)
    http://www.microsoft.com/student/office/en-us/default.aspx
    HTH,
    Dave
     
  15. Bruce Chambers

    Bruce Chambers Flightless Bird

    ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    > My daughter's laptop has Windows 7 Home premium installed. She will be
    > taking the system to school with her and her school suggests Windows 7
    > Professionial. Her school is offering a substantial student discount
    > for Professional and I would like to buy the license and upgrade her
    > system. What then becomes of the Home Premium license?



    When one uses an Upgrade license, the older license that's used as a
    qualifying product for the Upgrade license cannot legitimately be used
    anywhere else, as it becomes subsumed by, and an inseparable part of,
    the upgrade.


    > Can I use/xfer
    > it to another PC?
    >


    Not legitimately. Further, if the laptop's Windows 7 HP license is
    an OEM (pre-installed at the factory) license, you can't use it anywhere
    else, anyway. An OEM license must be sold with a piece of hardware
    (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC) and is
    _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which it's installed. An OEM
    license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another computer
    under _any_ circumstances.

    Additionally, if the OEM DVD was designed by a specific
    manufacturer, such as eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most
    likely be "BIOS-locked" to install only on the same make/model computer
    for which it was designed, as an additional anti-piracy feature.



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  16. xfile

    xfile Flightless Bird

    Technically speaking, Ken Blake's suggestion is the best for your situation
    since you purchased an upgraded version (and thus can be transferred to
    another system with the qualifying OS ((XP in your case)) plus it is being
    removed from the first system). *If* I remember correctly, student versions
    are FULL versions not upgraded versions.

    As to whether you have to do the technical work for removing the first OS
    and do a clean install again, myself won't do it as long as I own two
    legitimate licenses for two systems.

    "~~Alan~~" <a.shepro-NoSpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:i17tkr$9q7$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >
    >
    > "Dave "Crash" Dummy" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:SgIZn.8652$wm1.4749@newsfe01.iad...
    >> ~~Alan~~ wrote:
    >>> My daughter's laptop has Windows 7 Home premium installed. She will
    >>> be taking the system to school with her and her school suggests
    >>> Windows 7 Professionial. Her school is offering a substantial
    >>> student discount for Professional and I would like to buy the license
    >>> and upgrade her system. What then becomes of the Home Premium
    >>> license? Can I use/xfer it to another PC?

    >>
    >> Technically, no. Qualifying for the upgrade means transferring the
    >> license for the qualifying software. But if you have a retail copy of
    >> Home Premium, I doubt that you have any trouble getting it authorized on
    >> a different computer. On the other hand, the student prices are so
    >> ridiculously low, why not just buy the independent install version
    >> instead of the upgrade? Then you won't have to worry about it.
    >> --
    >> Crash

    >
    > I do want to buy the student version of W7Pro but use the key to upgrade
    > the home premium license rather than reinstall and reconfigure Windows
    > (I can choose properties from the control panel and upgrade the license
    > from there.) After that, I want to "recycle" the Home Premium key on a
    > different PC.
    >
    > If I want to rebuild my kid's PC, I suppose I can reinstall W7 Pro with
    > the software that I purchase from the school and reuse (as a
    > reinstall/rebuild) the W7Pro key.
    >
    > ~alan
    >>
    >> "Something there is that doesn't love a wall, that wants it down."
    >> ~ Robert Frost ~

    >
     

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