I have Internet Explorer 8, although I mainly use Firefox. But I also
occasionally use Outlook Express. I've been assuming that I had the latest
appropriate version.

But OE Help > About says
6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-215
2004 Microsoft Corporation.

That's 6 years old. I'm sure MSIE 8 can't be that ancient? If I'm right,
then how do I get the latest OE version please? After much googling it's
proving quite elusive.

--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

 

Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:
> I have Internet Explorer 8, although I mainly use Firefox. But I also
> occasionally use Outlook Express. I've been assuming that I had the latest
> appropriate version.
>
> But OE Help > About says
> 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-215
> 2004 Microsoft Corporation.
>
> That's 6 years old. I'm sure MSIE 8 can't be that ancient? If I'm right,
> then how do I get the latest OE version please? After much googling it's
> proving quite elusive.

It has been discontinued. There are no further updates.

 

Bonjour/soir, le Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:59:48 +0100, *Terry Pinnell* a
caressé son clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:

> although I mainly use Firefox

Good choice
Thunderbird is the best choice to replace OE a mail reader from the 20th
century.

--
Utiliser le butineur, le courriéleur, le lecteur de nouvelles
et le SE avec lesquels vous vous sentez le plus sécurisé ...
Posted via www.individual.net
http://mdoucet.wordpress.com/

 

Le 29/08/2010 12:14, Michel Doucet a écrit :
> Bonjour/soir, le Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:59:48 +0100, *Terry Pinnell* a
> caressé son clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:
>
>> although I mainly use Firefox
>
> Good choice
> Thunderbird is the best choice to replace OE a mail reader from the 20th
> century.
>

Le troll international obsessionnel n'a rien perdu de ses réflexes
primitifs de parasite bouffi de suffisance et de bêtise.

 

Bonjour/soir, le Sun, 29 Aug 2010 123:48 +0200, *Averelll* a caressé son
clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:

> Le 29/08/2010 12:14, Michel Doucet a écrit :
>> Bonjour/soir, le Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:59:48 +0100, *Terry Pinnell* a
>> caressé son clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:
>>
>>> although I mainly use Firefox
>>
>> Good choice
>> Thunderbird is the best choice to replace OE a mail reader from the
>> 20th century.
>>
>>
> Le troll international obsessionnel n'a rien perdu de ses réflexes
> primitifs de parasite bouffi de suffisance et de bêtise.

THE village's moron is back !
Don't forget you're on an English newsgroup ... at least write in the
local language so the readers will understand how idiot you are !!!

--
Utiliser le butineur, le courriéleur, le lecteur de nouvelles
et le SE avec lesquels vous vous sentez le plus sécurisé ...
Posted via www.individual.net
http://mdoucet.wordpress.com/

 

Le 29/08/2010 13:07, Michel Doucet a écrit :
> Bonjour/soir, le Sun, 29 Aug 2010 123:48 +0200, *Averelll* a caressé son
> clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:
>
>> Le 29/08/2010 12:14, Michel Doucet a écrit :
>>> Bonjour/soir, le Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:59:48 +0100, *Terry Pinnell* a
>>> caressé son clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant:
>>>
>>>> although I mainly use Firefox
>>>
>>> Good choice
>>> Thunderbird is the best choice to replace OE a mail reader from the
>>> 20th century.
>>>
>>>
>> Le troll international obsessionnel n'a rien perdu de ses réflexes
>> primitifs de parasite bouffi de suffisance et de bêtise.
>
> THE village's moron is back !
> Don't forget you're on an English newsgroup ... at least write in the
> local language so the readers will understand how idiot you are !!!
>
Votre langue, c'est la langue du troll obsessionnel, la langue de vipère
persifleuse que vous pratiquez depuis des années et à laquelle vous
devez votre réputation de taré international.

 

"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:npbk76dr0v38und9ndgfomea80ug6f87f9@4ax.com...
>I have Internet Explorer 8, although I mainly use Firefox. But I also
> occasionally use Outlook Express. I've been assuming that I had the
> latest
> appropriate version.
>
> But OE Help > About says
> 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-215
> 2004 Microsoft Corporation.
>
> That's 6 years old. I'm sure MSIE 8 can't be that ancient? If I'm right,
> then how do I get the latest OE version please? After much googling it's
> proving quite elusive.
>
> --
> Terry, East Grinstead, UK


OE has no relationship with IE7 or IE8. You have upgraded IE, but left the
rest of your machine to rot. You are still running Service Pack 2 with
little or no updates. Support for XP/SP2 has ended. Download SP3 ASAP and
any critical updates offered when done. XP/SP3 will be supported until
April, 2014.

OE version will then be 6.00.2900.5XXX

Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3:
http://support.microsoft.com:80/kb/950717

WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldro...requisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm

Download Windows XP Service Pack 3 here, not from Windows Updates.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en

Before you install, turn off your anti-virus and any anti-spyware programs
such as Windows Defender. If you use a third party firewall, disable it
and turn on the Windows Firewall in the Control Panel for the
installation. Once SP3 is in and working, you can enable the third party
firewall and turn of the Windows Firewall. Do not keep both running.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

 

OE and IE8 are unrelated.

OE is an e-mail client, IE is a Web browser. You said that you use FireFox,
which is an equivelent to Internet Explorer. The equivelent to Outlook
Express would be Thunderbird.

OE is no longer supported and has been replaced by MSoft with Windows Live
Mail. Windows Mail comes with Vista and Win7, but not with XP or earlier
Windows operating systems.





"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:npbk76dr0v38und9ndgfomea80ug6f87f9@4ax.com...
>I have Internet Explorer 8, although I mainly use Firefox. But I also
> occasionally use Outlook Express. I've been assuming that I had the latest
> appropriate version.
>
> But OE Help > About says
> 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-215
> 2004 Microsoft Corporation.
>
> That's 6 years old. I'm sure MSIE 8 can't be that ancient? If I'm right,
> then how do I get the latest OE version please? After much googling it's
> proving quite elusive.
>
> --
> Terry, East Grinstead, UK

 

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:i5duo7$70v$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> OE and IE8 are unrelated.
>
> OE is an e-mail client, IE is a Web browser. You said that you use
> FireFox, which is an equivelent to Internet Explorer. The equivelent to
> Outlook Express would be Thunderbird.
>
> OE is no longer supported and has been replaced by MSoft with Windows Live
> Mail. Windows Mail comes with Vista and Win7, but not with XP or earlier
> Windows operating systems.
>

Actually, Win7 does not include any email client.

 

In news:i5dobb$cs0$1@news.eternal-september.org,
Bruce Hagen typed on Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:46:16 -0700:
> "Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:npbk76dr0v38und9ndgfomea80ug6f87f9@4ax.com...
>> I have Internet Explorer 8, although I mainly use Firefox. But I also
>> occasionally use Outlook Express. I've been assuming that I had the
>> latest
>> appropriate version.
>>
>> But OE Help > About says
>> 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-215
>> 2004 Microsoft Corporation.
>>
>> That's 6 years old. I'm sure MSIE 8 can't be that ancient? If I'm
>> right, then how do I get the latest OE version please? After much
>> googling it's proving quite elusive.
>>
>> --
>> Terry, East Grinstead, UK
>
> OE has no relationship with IE7 or IE8. You have upgraded IE, but
> left the rest of your machine to rot. You are still running Service
> Pack 2 with little or no updates. Support for XP/SP2 has ended.
> Download SP3 ASAP and any critical updates offered when done. XP/SP3
> will be supported until April, 2014.

I listened to you and that was a big disaster! Installing SP3 breaks
things and offers no new features. And Windows updates offers two
things, hotfixes and security updates! And installing either or when you
don't need them will only gum up the works and make your computer run
slower.

I got seven Windows XP machines here and I had taken two of them and
stopped all Windows updates to see if any problems show up. And I did
this for a year and they ran flawless. No viruses or anything! And none
is this crap that one update screws something up and you had to wait a
month for Microsoft to release another fix to correct what they screwed
up last time. It is an endless cycle and just full of bull!

Luckily I have been using computers since the 70's. So my long
experience has made me see the light. And IBM's FixPaks was the really
worse in the 90's. Every FixPak made things worse than before. And now
Microsoft is turning out the same kind of crap!

Now I have a big job to remove all of those SP3 on all of those other
Windows XP computers. SP3 was Microsoft's method to turn XP machines
into a slow piece of crap and make it appear that Windows 7 runs much
faster. Well get rid of all of those updates from XP and XP is so much
faster!

Hell I was running IE7 an IE8 for a year on some machines. Both of them
are slow pieces of crap. Put IE6 back on two of my test machines and I
couldn't believe my eyes! IE6 is the fastest browser around. It is so
much faster than IE7 and IE8 and even Firefox! I think people need to
know this truth.

> OE version will then be 6.00.2900.5XXX
>
> Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3:
> http://support.microsoft.com:80/kb/950717
>
> WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldro...requisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx
>
> Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm
>
> Download Windows XP Service Pack 3 here, not from Windows Updates.
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en
>
> Before you install, turn off your anti-virus and any anti-spyware
> programs such as Windows Defender. If you use a third party firewall,
> disable it and turn on the Windows Firewall in the Control Panel for
> the installation. Once SP3 is in and working, you can enable the
> third party firewall and turn of the Windows Firewall. Do not keep
> both running. --
> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP [Mail]
> Imperial Beach, CA

All BS! Here is what SP3 includes:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480

See anything in there you need? I only saw one that I needed and that
was KB909095. So far, I haven't found anything else I needed. Installing
anything and everything you don't need to fix something is very
dangerous! And it is quite stupid to do as well. As all it does is to
harm your computer! Someday you too will learn this awful truth Bruce!

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2

 

In news:i5duo7$70v$1@news.eternal-september.org,
Jeff Strickland typed on Sun, 29 Aug 2010 083:04 -0700:
> OE and IE8 are unrelated.
>
> OE is an e-mail client, IE is a Web browser. You said that you use
> FireFox, which is an equivelent to Internet Explorer. The equivelent
> to Outlook Express would be Thunderbird.

Don't you ever feel all of the pain of all the harm that you have
caused? I used Thunderbird for years and it is just awful! As it is so
complicated to do the simplest things! You have to set up rules
individually for every single newsgroup. Set up a signature for every
single account! Setup where all of the folders are at for every single
account. And that tab thing under Thunderbird 3 is just awful! I want
windows, not tabs! What good is a GUI if you don't have windows? Sure
you can have a window under Thunderbird 3, but it is more work for each
and every message. Thunderbird is really brain dead compared to OE6 with
OE-QuoteFix. There is no CTRL-H feature either! That makes Thunderbird
totally useless for newbies and experts alike!

> OE is no longer supported and has been replaced by MSoft with Windows
> Live Mail. Windows Mail comes with Vista and Win7, but not with XP or
> earlier Windows operating systems.

Bull! Any Windows XP user can download Windows Live Mail for free from
Microsoft if they want too. And no Windows 7 doesn't come with any email
software. But WLM is a big step down from OE6. As WLM can't even set the
sync settings globally anymore. What a royal PIA!

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2

 

"KCB" <bcgc_qc@hootmail.com> wrote in message
news:i5h7t8$r2j$4@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:i5duo7$70v$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> OE and IE8 are unrelated.
>>
>> OE is an e-mail client, IE is a Web browser. You said that you use
>> FireFox, which is an equivelent to Internet Explorer. The equivelent to
>> Outlook Express would be Thunderbird.
>>
>> OE is no longer supported and has been replaced by MSoft with Windows
>> Live Mail. Windows Mail comes with Vista and Win7, but not with XP or
>> earlier Windows operating systems.
>>
>
> Actually, Win7 does not include any email client.

Okay, I did not know that. I thought it had Windows Live Mail. My bad.

 

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
news:i5ha13$5e0$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> In news:i5duo7$70v$1@news.eternal-september.org,
> Jeff Strickland typed on Sun, 29 Aug 2010 083:04 -0700:
>> OE and IE8 are unrelated.
>>
>> OE is an e-mail client, IE is a Web browser. You said that you use
>> FireFox, which is an equivelent to Internet Explorer. The equivelent
>> to Outlook Express would be Thunderbird.
>
> Don't you ever feel all of the pain of all the harm that you have caused?
> I used Thunderbird for years and it is just awful! As it is so complicated
> to do the simplest things! You have to set up rules individually for every
> single newsgroup. Set up a signature for every single account! Setup where
> all of the folders are at for every single account. And that tab thing
> under Thunderbird 3 is just awful! I want windows, not tabs! What good is
> a GUI if you don't have windows? Sure you can have a window under
> Thunderbird 3, but it is more work for each and every message. Thunderbird
> is really brain dead compared to OE6 with OE-QuoteFix. There is no CTRL-H
> feature either! That makes Thunderbird totally useless for newbies and
> experts alike!
>

Sorry, I'm not selling Thunderbird. I do not use it. I used it for about a
week once, and hated it.

I was just giving the OP a point of reference as to where it fits in the
grand scheme of things -- FireFox and Thunderbird come from the same
company, like Internet Explorer and Outlook Express come from the same
company.




>> OE is no longer supported and has been replaced by MSoft with Windows
>> Live Mail. Windows Mail comes with Vista and Win7, but not with XP or
>> earlier Windows operating systems.
>
> Bull! Any Windows XP user can download Windows Live Mail for free from
> Microsoft if they want too. And no Windows 7 doesn't come with any email
> software. But WLM is a big step down from OE6. As WLM can't even set the
> sync settings globally anymore. What a royal PIA!
>
>

My bad, that didn't come out as I intended. OE is not supported anymore,
that is true.

You point out that one can migrate to WLM _if they want to_, but most of the
tech guys would ask, "why would you want to?"

I was not aware that Win7 had no native e-mail client. Besides WLM being a
giant leap backwards, why wouldn't MSoft assume their customers would want
an e-mail client? They assume so many other things about how one will use a
machine, why not assume the customers will actually want to e-mail once in a
while?

 

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> schrieb:

> I listened to you and that was a big disaster! Installing SP3 breaks
> things

Nope.

> And Windows updates offers two
> things, hotfixes and security updates! And installing either or when you
> don't need them will only gum up the works and make your computer run
> slower.

Nope.

> I think people need to know this truth.

Nope, truth yes, but no BS.

Bye,
Freudi

 

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> schrieb:

> OE is no longer supported and has been replaced by MSoft with Windows Live
> Mail.

That's not correct. OE6 is still supported as it's a component included
in Windows XP (SP3) - the same applies even for IE6 in Windows XP (SP3)
<shrug>.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=2578 leeds you to
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=2073 which leads to
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps/ stating for
"Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3" that
"Support ends 24 months after the next service pack releases or at the end
of the product's support lifecycle, whichever comes first." As we all(?)
know, there's no more SP planned for Windows XP and (extended) support for
Windows XP (Home, MCE and Professional) ends on April 8th 2014, see
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean23 and
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223

Bye,
Freudi

 

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> schrieb:

> OE is not supported anymore, that is true.

Nope, see news:8e3hl0FbmfU1@mid.individual.net

Bye,
Freudi

 

Jeff Strickland <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I was not aware that Win7 had no native e-mail client. Besides WLM being a
> giant leap backwards, why wouldn't MSoft assume their customers would want
> an e-mail client? They assume so many other things about how one will use a
> machine, why not assume the customers will actually want to e-mail once in a
> while?

Because the inclusion of all kinds of application software with the
operating system was coming under more and more scrutiny from authorities
that want a plain playing field for Microsoft and its competition.
They believe (and probably rightly so) that when Microsoft include an
e-mail client in their OS by default, it becomes much more difficult for
other parties to market an alternative program for that purpose. The
average user will just use what is included without looking further.
Now, they will have to make a choice, and it can be a Microsoft product
or a competing product.
They wanted the same thing for the browser, but Microsoft stupidly
integrated it so deeply in the OS that it cannot be uninstalled in
Windows, it can only be hidden from view but it always remains installed.

 

In news:8e3gt5F7ppU1@mid.individual.net,
Ottmar Freudenberger typed on Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:05:42 +0200:
> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> schrieb:
>
>> I listened to you and that was a big disaster! Installing SP3 breaks
>> things
>
> Nope.
>
>> And Windows updates offers two
>> things, hotfixes and security updates! And installing either or when
>> you don't need them will only gum up the works and make your
>> computer run slower.
>
> Nope.
>
>> I think people need to know this truth.
>
> Nope, truth yes, but no BS.
>
> Bye,
> Freudi

Gee you must not be too bright when it comes to this computer stuff, eh?
And second of all, who am I your mother? Do I have to do everything for
your lazy ass? Here try this:

Google -> How to remove SP3
Shows 2,950,000 hits. Why would all of these people be interested in
removing SP3 for? Well probably because many of them found out that it
had broken something that used to work.

Even Microsoft tells you how to remove SP3 as well. Why would they tell
you this if there is no need to ever do this?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950249

Even Leo Notenboom admits so: "Window XP SP3 has had a fairly reasonable
success rate, but it definitely causes some people problems."

http://ask-leo.com/how_do_i_block_windows_xp_service_pack_3.html

Windows Secrets has posted the following:

Here are the most glaring SP3-related problems:

* Internet connectivity fails when using black hole routers, which drop
packets (see Susan Bradley's May 1 column in our paid content and
Microsoft's Knowledge Base article 314825).

* False positives are generated by Norton Internet Security and other
security applications (see my May 2 Top Story).

* Device Manager settings go missing, especially in connection with
using Norton Antivirus (see Susan Bradley's column in the May 29
newsletter as well as KB 953791).

* Repeated rebooting occurs on machines using an AMD processor (see
Susan Bradley's May 22 column and KB 953356).

* You can't install any new updates (see KB 943144).

* Third-party visual styles encounter problems (see the Support Alert
Newsletter of June 19).

http://www.windowssecrets.com/2008/09/11/02-Dont-let-XP-Service-Pack-3-hose-your-system

1) AMD Computers Crash after XP SP3 Installation (via: tomshardware.com)

2) Windows Systems Hangs and Crashes after XP SP3 Installation (via:
tomshardware.com)

3) Blue Screens and Continuous Reboots. (via:efluxmedia.com)

4) Compatibility Issue between Microsoft Dynamics Retail Management
System and SP3 for XP and SP1 for Vista (via:neowin.net)

http://tnerd.com/2008/05/10/microsoft-windows-xp-sp3-service-pack-3-issues-and-bugs/

And of course, you can find probably millions of reports from a search
engine of people having problems with SP3. It is all there if you ever
bothered to look.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2

 

BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
> And of course, you can find probably millions of reports from a search
> engine of people having problems with SP3. It is all there if you ever
> bothered to look.

And of course you do not even TRY to find the problems experienced by
people who have NOT installed SP3!

Especially now that SP2 support has ended, and critical security fixes
no longer appear for SP2 users.

 

"Rob" <nomail@example.com> wrote in message
news:slrni7q0ip.v7j.nomail@xs8.xs4all.nl...
> BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>> And of course, you can find probably millions of reports from a search
>> engine of people having problems with SP3. It is all there if you ever
>> bothered to look.
>
> And of course you do not even TRY to find the problems experienced by
> people who have NOT installed SP3!
>
> Especially now that SP2 support has ended, and critical security fixes
> no longer appear for SP2 users.

I'd be interested in seeing those "millions of reports" being quoted by the
HoopleHead.