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Install and run from thumb drive?

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Ed from AZ, Aug 9, 2010.

  1. Ed from AZ

    Ed from AZ Flightless Bird

    I've got an older desk top with an aging hard drive that has a bad
    whine. This machine is used for a very limited application, and is
    fine for that use - except for the noise.

    Can XP SP2 install and run from a thumb drive? THe idea is to tel the
    machine to boot from the thumb drive and run the OS and a couple of
    programs from there. No hard drive, no whine.

    Good idea or bad?
    Ed
     
  2. Bruce Hagen

    Bruce Hagen Flightless Bird

    "Ed from AZ" <prof_ofwhat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:596211d8-52ab-485a-95fe-e2be393711bb@q21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
    > I've got an older desk top with an aging hard drive that has a bad
    > whine. This machine is used for a very limited application, and is
    > fine for that use - except for the noise.
    >
    > Can XP SP2 install and run from a thumb drive? THe idea is to tel the
    > machine to boot from the thumb drive and run the OS and a couple of
    > programs from there. No hard drive, no whine.
    >
    > Good idea or bad?
    > Ed



    I don't know about your question, but hard drives don't usually whine. I
    would be giving the fans a super good cleaning out. Remove them if you can
    and get some 'Air In A Can' to blow them out. Even if they look clean,
    they may well be plugged up internally where you can't see.
    --
    Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP [Mail]
    Imperial Beach, CA
     
  3. LVTravel

    LVTravel Flightless Bird

    "Ed from AZ" <prof_ofwhat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:596211d8-52ab-485a-95fe-e2be393711bb@q21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
    > I've got an older desk top with an aging hard drive that has a bad
    > whine. This machine is used for a very limited application, and is
    > fine for that use - except for the noise.
    >
    > Can XP SP2 install and run from a thumb drive? THe idea is to tel the
    > machine to boot from the thumb drive and run the OS and a couple of
    > programs from there. No hard drive, no whine.
    >
    > Good idea or bad?
    > Ed


    Windows XP and any other later operating systems are designed to NOT be able
    to be installed onto a USB external device. The installation will fail as
    soon as the removable media is detected.
    There has been some reports that people have hacked the OS to be able to do
    this but no one has successfully posted anything about it.

    There are other operating systems, Linux specifically and all it's
    offshoots, that can be booted from a USB device and there are open source
    programs that will read and write to Office standards.

    The issue you may run into with this type of setup is that USB key devices
    (thumb drive) has a finite lifetime in number of read/write cycles they will
    do. They can fail at any time and often do.
     
  4. Mark Adams

    Mark Adams Flightless Bird

    "Ed from AZ" wrote:

    > I've got an older desk top with an aging hard drive that has a bad
    > whine. This machine is used for a very limited application, and is
    > fine for that use - except for the noise.
    >
    > Can XP SP2 install and run from a thumb drive? THe idea is to tel the
    > machine to boot from the thumb drive and run the OS and a couple of
    > programs from there. No hard drive, no whine.
    >
    > Good idea or bad?
    > Ed
    > .
    >


    Bad idea. XP is not designed to run from a USB device, not to mention your
    older hardware may not even be capable of booting from USB. Buy a new hard
    drive and clone the OS to the new drive. If you are really concerned about
    noise, buy a solid state hard drive; no moving parts.
     
  5. Db

    Db Flightless Bird

    yes, you can boot with
    a thumb drive,

    however I don't know
    about running programs
    with the o.s. on the thumb
    drive.

    it would make sense
    that you can't because
    all the programs you
    have have been integrated
    with the o.s. on the hd.

    but if you want to have
    some fun loading the
    o.s. from the thumb
    drive,

    you will need to install
    2 programs on the
    thumb drive.

    I don't remember
    what exactly the do.

    I think 1 program
    formats/prepares
    the thumb drive.

    then the next one
    installs a boot mgr.

    if I recall the 2
    programs can be
    downloaded from
    the hewit packer
    website.

    --
    --
    db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

    DatabaseBen, Retired Professional

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx


    "Ed from AZ" <prof_ofwhat@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:596211d8-52ab-485a-95fe-e2be393711bb@q21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
    > I've got an older desk top with an aging hard drive that has a bad
    > whine. This machine is used for a very limited application, and is
    > fine for that use - except for the noise.
    >
    > Can XP SP2 install and run from a thumb drive? THe idea is to tel the
    > machine to boot from the thumb drive and run the OS and a couple of
    > programs from there. No hard drive, no whine.
    >
    > Good idea or bad?
    > Ed
     
  6. Db

    Db Flightless Bird

    ps:

    you will need a min
    of 2 gig on thum to
    install the os

    and don't forget to
    change the bootup
    in the bios.

    gl

    --
    --
    db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

    DatabaseBen, Retired Professional

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx


    "Db" <databaseb~@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7D406BE5-6E94-409E-AD52-F4C8176D7DE7@microsoft.com...
    > yes, you can boot with
    > a thumb drive,
    >
    > however I don't know
    > about running programs
    > with the o.s. on the thumb
    > drive.
    >
    > it would make sense
    > that you can't because
    > all the programs you
    > have have been integrated
    > with the o.s. on the hd.
    >
    > but if you want to have
    > some fun loading the
    > o.s. from the thumb
    > drive,
    >
    > you will need to install
    > 2 programs on the
    > thumb drive.
    >
    > I don't remember
    > what exactly the do.
    >
    > I think 1 program
    > formats/prepares
    > the thumb drive.
    >
    > then the next one
    > installs a boot mgr.
    >
    > if I recall the 2
    > programs can be
    > downloaded from
    > the hewit packer
    > website.
    >
    > --
    > --
    > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
    >
    > DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
    >
    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    > This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:
    >
    > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
    >
    >
    > "Ed from AZ" <prof_ofwhat@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:596211d8-52ab-485a-95fe-e2be393711bb@q21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
    >> I've got an older desk top with an aging hard drive that has a bad
    >> whine. This machine is used for a very limited application, and is
    >> fine for that use - except for the noise.
    >>
    >> Can XP SP2 install and run from a thumb drive? THe idea is to tel the
    >> machine to boot from the thumb drive and run the OS and a couple of
    >> programs from there. No hard drive, no whine.
    >>
    >> Good idea or bad?
    >> Ed

    >
     
  7. LVTravel

    LVTravel Flightless Bird

    "Db" <databaseb~@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:C95D781F-555C-4D03-AE8E-A21E7B74E9F7@microsoft.com...
    > ps:
    >
    > you will need a min
    > of 2 gig on thum to
    > install the os
    >
    > and don't forget to
    > change the bootup
    > in the bios.
    >
    > gl
    >
    > --
    > --
    > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
    >
    > DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
    >
    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    > This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:
    >
    > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
    >
    >
    > "Db" <databaseb~@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:7D406BE5-6E94-409E-AD52-F4C8176D7DE7@microsoft.com...
    >> yes, you can boot with
    >> a thumb drive,
    >>
    >> however I don't know
    >> about running programs
    >> with the o.s. on the thumb
    >> drive.
    >>
    >> it would make sense
    >> that you can't because
    >> all the programs you
    >> have have been integrated
    >> with the o.s. on the hd.
    >>
    >> but if you want to have
    >> some fun loading the
    >> o.s. from the thumb
    >> drive,
    >>
    >> you will need to install
    >> 2 programs on the
    >> thumb drive.
    >>
    >> I don't remember
    >> what exactly the do.
    >>
    >> I think 1 program
    >> formats/prepares
    >> the thumb drive.
    >>
    >> then the next one
    >> installs a boot mgr.
    >>
    >> if I recall the 2
    >> programs can be
    >> downloaded from
    >> the hewit packer
    >> website.
    >>
    >> --
    >> --
    >> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
    >>
    >> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
    >>
    >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >> This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:
    >>
    >> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
    >>
    >>
    >> "Ed from AZ" <prof_ofwhat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:596211d8-52ab-485a-95fe-e2be393711bb@q21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
    >>> I've got an older desk top with an aging hard drive that has a bad
    >>> whine. This machine is used for a very limited application, and is
    >>> fine for that use - except for the noise.
    >>>
    >>> Can XP SP2 install and run from a thumb drive? THe idea is to tel the
    >>> machine to boot from the thumb drive and run the OS and a couple of
    >>> programs from there. No hard drive, no whine.
    >>>
    >>> Good idea or bad?
    >>> Ed

    >>


    But you still can't boot XP from a USB removable drive. It won't allow
    itself to be installed on a USB external drive.
     
  8. Bob I

    Bob I Flightless Bird

    You don't need 2 GB to install MSDOS.

    Db wrote:
    > ps:
    >
    > you will need a min
    > of 2 gig on thum to
    > install the os
    >
    > and don't forget to
    > change the bootup
    > in the bios.
    >
    > gl
    >
     
  9. Ed from AZ

    Ed from AZ Flightless Bird

    But I also need to run Word, Excel, and VB6.
    And have USB support for a four-port hub, because I'll have the drive,
    a keyboard, and a mouse with only two USB ports.

    Ed

    On Aug 10, 4:59 am, Bob I <bire...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > You don't need 2 GB to install MSDOS.
     
  10. LVTravel

    LVTravel Flightless Bird

    "Ed from AZ" <prof_ofwhat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:f3f2ded9-d032-4116-a0a8-e9e09dbcfb55@t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
    > But I also need to run Word, Excel, and VB6.
    > And have USB support for a four-port hub, because I'll have the drive,
    > a keyboard, and a mouse with only two USB ports.
    >
    > Ed
    >
    > On Aug 10, 4:59 am, Bob I <bire...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >> You don't need 2 GB to install MSDOS.


    You also can not install any Office programs to run from a USB removable
    drive. They have to be a "fixed" drive in the system.
     
  11. boatman312

    boatman312 Flightless Bird

    On 08/11/10 2:20 PM, LVTravel wrote:
    >
    >
    > "Ed from AZ" <prof_ofwhat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:f3f2ded9-d032-4116-a0a8-e9e09dbcfb55@t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
    >> But I also need to run Word, Excel, and VB6.
    >> And have USB support for a four-port hub, because I'll have the drive,
    >> a keyboard, and a mouse with only two USB ports.
    >>
    >> Ed
    >>
    >> On Aug 10, 4:59 am, Bob I <bire...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>> You don't need 2 GB to install MSDOS.

    >
    > You also can not install any Office programs to run from a USB removable
    > drive. They have to be a "fixed" drive in the system.


    Except for OpenOffice...

    http://lifehacker.com/5113888/openofficeorg-portable-30-ready-for-your-thumb-drive
     
  12. LVTravel

    LVTravel Flightless Bird

    "boatman312" <eracars@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:i3ur2k$asd$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > On 08/11/10 2:20 PM, LVTravel wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> "Ed from AZ" <prof_ofwhat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:f3f2ded9-d032-4116-a0a8-e9e09dbcfb55@t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
    >>> But I also need to run Word, Excel, and VB6.
    >>> And have USB support for a four-port hub, because I'll have the drive,
    >>> a keyboard, and a mouse with only two USB ports.
    >>>
    >>> Ed
    >>>
    >>> On Aug 10, 4:59 am, Bob I <bire...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>> You don't need 2 GB to install MSDOS.

    >>
    >> You also can not install any Office programs to run from a USB removable
    >> drive. They have to be a "fixed" drive in the system.

    >
    > Except for OpenOffice...
    >
    > http://lifehacker.com/5113888/openofficeorg-portable-30-ready-for-your-thumb-drive


    Correct but the OP was talking about Microsoft Office programs. If he wants
    to run Linux with Open Office linux version that would be perfectly OK just
    as I said in my first response back to the OP.
     
  13. Bob I

    Bob I Flightless Bird

    Humm, I've never seen a mouse with USB ports, much less 2 of them. All
    kidding aside, you aren't going to be running a setup like that with
    Windows XP. The only way Windows XP can even potentially run from a
    drive on USB is you have to hack the USB port recognition features so
    they aren't available any more. Beginning to get the picture?

    Ed from AZ wrote:
    > But I also need to run Word, Excel, and VB6.
    > And have USB support for a four-port hub, because I'll have the drive,
    > a keyboard, and a mouse with only two USB ports.
    >
    > Ed
    >
    > On Aug 10, 4:59 am, Bob I <bire...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >>You don't need 2 GB to install MSDOS.

    >
    >
     
  14. Ed from AZ

    Ed from AZ Flightless Bird

    On Aug 12, 5:13 am, Bob I <bire...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > Beginning to get the picture?


    Long time ago!
    Time to search for a "new" IDE hard drive.
    Geeks.com has a few in the 20-30 dollar range.
    Might even be able to find one locally for less.
    'Course, that's where the current noisy one came from .....

    Oh, well ... the adventure continues!
    Thanks for all the responses.

    Ed
     
  15. Ed from AZ

    Ed from AZ Flightless Bird

    Okay - just gotta ask --
    Can I run either Win 98SE or 2000 off a thumb drive?
    (Just searching for alternate paths that won't cost me anything out of
    pocket!)

    Ed
     
  16. Richard in AZ

    Richard in AZ Flightless Bird

    NO

    "Ed from AZ" <prof_ofwhat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1b1ab609-9fdb-4bfd-9465-192fe46bd0c6@b4g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
    > Okay - just gotta ask --
    > Can I run either Win 98SE or 2000 off a thumb drive?
    > (Just searching for alternate paths that won't cost me anything out of
    > pocket!)
    >
    > Ed
     
  17. Ed from AZ

    Ed from AZ Flightless Bird

    Well, that quick answer saved me some time! 8>)
    Thanks!!

    On Aug 31, 2:19 pm, "Richard in AZ" <m...@mailinator.com> wrote:
    > NO
    >
    > "Ed from AZ" <prof_ofw...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1b1ab609-9fdb-4bfd-9465-192fe46bd0c6@b4g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
    >
    >
    >
    > > Okay - just gotta ask --
    > > Can I run either Win 98SE or 2000 off a thumb drive?
    > > (Just searching for alternate paths that won't cost me anything out of
    > > pocket!)

    >
    > > Ed- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > - Show quoted text -
     
  18. Bob I

    Bob I Flightless Bird

    Alternate paths for what?

    Ed from AZ wrote:
    > Okay - just gotta ask --
    > Can I run either Win 98SE or 2000 off a thumb drive?
    > (Just searching for alternate paths that won't cost me anything out of
    > pocket!)
    >
    > Ed
     
  19. Tim Meddick

    Tim Meddick Flightless Bird

    I've successfully run Windows 3.11 from what you call a "thumb drive" ....

    It is now, for all intents and purposes, classed as legacyware and you can
    freely obtain
    a cd-rom disk-image ISO file from :
    http://rapidshare.com/files/9212261/Windows_3.11.iso

    the setup RAR-file set from :
    http://www.4shared.com/file/ReBJcPdl/Windows_for_Workgroups_311.html


    ==

    Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




    "Ed from AZ" <prof_ofwhat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:1b1ab609-9fdb-4bfd-9465-192fe46bd0c6@b4g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
    > Okay - just gotta ask --
    > Can I run either Win 98SE or 2000 off a thumb drive?
    > (Just searching for alternate paths that won't cost me anything out of
    > pocket!)
    >
    > Ed
     

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