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IE7 Files remaining after IE8 Install

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by HenriK, Feb 8, 2010.

  1. HenriK

    HenriK Flightless Bird

    On a Dell Precision 650 running 32 bit XP-Pro, I recently upgraded from
    IE7 to IE8. After a recent backup session, I see that my C:/ partition
    still contains a large number of files labeled IE7.xxxx.

    Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased or are they integral to
    IE8's proper operation?

    Many thanks for any insight to what I have seen.
     
  2. Leonard Grey

    Leonard Grey Flightless Bird

    "Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased..."
    NO!

    "...or are they integral to IE8's proper operation?"
    YES!
    ---
    Leonard Grey
    Errare humanum est

    HenriK wrote:
    > On a Dell Precision 650 running 32 bit XP-Pro, I recently upgraded from
    > IE7 to IE8. After a recent backup session, I see that my C:/ partition
    > still contains a large number of files labeled IE7.xxxx.
    >
    > Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased or are they integral to
    > IE8's proper operation?
    >
    > Many thanks for any insight to what I have seen.
     
  3. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    First Law of Computers: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

    HenriK wrote:
    > On a Dell Precision 650 running 32 bit XP-Pro, I recently upgraded from
    > IE7 to IE8. After a recent backup session, I see that my C:/ partition
    > still contains a large number of files labeled IE7.xxxx.
    >
    > Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased or are they integral to
    > IE8's proper operation?
    >
    > Many thanks for any insight to what I have seen.
     
  4. Rob

    Rob Flightless Bird

    Leonard Grey <l.grey@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    > "Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased..."
    > NO!
    >
    > "...or are they integral to IE8's proper operation?"
    > YES!
    > ---
    > Leonard Grey


    How is this supposed to be working?

    On a Windows XP install with only IE6 (the default), one can install
    IE8 immediately and there will be only IE8 files.

    Or, one can first install IE7 and then IE8, in which case there are many
    IE7 files left.

    You claim that these are essential for IE8 operation. But how does that
    explain that an immediate install of IE8 works fine and does not install
    those files?

    I have installed both IE7 and IE8 with the /NOBACKUP switch, indicating
    that there is no intention to go back. But still it has left many old
    files and even the entire list of hotfixes ever applied to IE7 in the
    registry.

    Interesting, because if you install e.g. SP3 on an SP2 system with a lot
    of hotfixes, those fixes that are in SP3 are then removed from the list
    of hotfixes in the registry.
    This does not appear to happen for the IE update! Why?
     
  5. Leonard Grey

    Leonard Grey Flightless Bird

    Why are you getting all hot and bothered over something that is of no
    consequence at all?

    Just because you don't understand something is not a reason to delete
    it. I hope you don't look after your car the same way:

    "What's this stupid wire for, anyway? I don't think I need it. I'll just
    rip it out."
    ---
    Leonard Grey
    Errare humanum est

    Rob wrote:
    > Leonard Grey <l.grey@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >> "Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased..."
    >> NO!
    >>
    >> "...or are they integral to IE8's proper operation?"
    >> YES!
    >> ---
    >> Leonard Grey

    >
    > How is this supposed to be working?
    >
    > On a Windows XP install with only IE6 (the default), one can install
    > IE8 immediately and there will be only IE8 files.
    >
    > Or, one can first install IE7 and then IE8, in which case there are many
    > IE7 files left.
    >
    > You claim that these are essential for IE8 operation. But how does that
    > explain that an immediate install of IE8 works fine and does not install
    > those files?
    >
    > I have installed both IE7 and IE8 with the /NOBACKUP switch, indicating
    > that there is no intention to go back. But still it has left many old
    > files and even the entire list of hotfixes ever applied to IE7 in the
    > registry.
    >
    > Interesting, because if you install e.g. SP3 on an SP2 system with a lot
    > of hotfixes, those fixes that are in SP3 are then removed from the list
    > of hotfixes in the registry.
    > This does not appear to happen for the IE update! Why?
     
  6. Jim

    Jim Flightless Bird

    I suppose that you could. However, if you do delete these folders, IE will
    no longer revert to IE7 if you remove IE8.
    When I first noticed the old IE7 folders, the first thought that came to me
    was "so that is why it is so easy to revert the previous version".
    Jim
    "HenriK" <bedpost@attglobal.net> wrote in message
    news:-OArCc1SqKHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > On a Dell Precision 650 running 32 bit XP-Pro, I recently upgraded from
    > IE7 to IE8. After a recent backup session, I see that my C:/ partition
    > still contains a large number of files labeled IE7.xxxx.
    >
    > Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased or are they integral to
    > IE8's proper operation?
    >
    > Many thanks for any insight to what I have seen.
     
  7. Rob

    Rob Flightless Bird

    Leonard Grey <l.grey@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    > Why are you getting all hot and bothered over something that is of no
    > consequence at all?


    I am not hot and bothered, I am interested in how things work and
    I assumed you knew something about it because you made such definite
    statements about it. Apparently not.

    >
    > Just because you don't understand something is not a reason to delete
    > it. I hope you don't look after your car the same way:
    >
    > "What's this stupid wire for, anyway? I don't think I need it. I'll just
    > rip it out."
    > ---
    > Leonard Grey
    > Errare humanum est
    >
    > Rob wrote:
    >> Leonard Grey <l.grey@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >>> "Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased..."
    >>> NO!
    >>>
    >>> "...or are they integral to IE8's proper operation?"
    >>> YES!
    >>> ---
    >>> Leonard Grey

    >>
    >> How is this supposed to be working?
    >>
    >> On a Windows XP install with only IE6 (the default), one can install
    >> IE8 immediately and there will be only IE8 files.
    >>
    >> Or, one can first install IE7 and then IE8, in which case there are many
    >> IE7 files left.
    >>
    >> You claim that these are essential for IE8 operation. But how does that
    >> explain that an immediate install of IE8 works fine and does not install
    >> those files?
    >>
    >> I have installed both IE7 and IE8 with the /NOBACKUP switch, indicating
    >> that there is no intention to go back. But still it has left many old
    >> files and even the entire list of hotfixes ever applied to IE7 in the
    >> registry.
    >>
    >> Interesting, because if you install e.g. SP3 on an SP2 system with a lot
    >> of hotfixes, those fixes that are in SP3 are then removed from the list
    >> of hotfixes in the registry.
    >> This does not appear to happen for the IE update! Why?
     
  8. Kyler_IE8_Team

    Kyler_IE8_Team Flightless Bird

    Jim is correct, they are not required to run IE8, and if you delete them, it
    will not affect IE8 performance. How much space are these files taking up?

    Kyler
    IE8 Outreach Team

    "HenriK" wrote:

    > On a Dell Precision 650 running 32 bit XP-Pro, I recently upgraded from
    > IE7 to IE8. After a recent backup session, I see that my C:/ partition
    > still contains a large number of files labeled IE7.xxxx.
    >
    > Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased or are they integral to
    > IE8's proper operation?
    >
    > Many thanks for any insight to what I have seen.
    > .
    >
     
  9. HenriK

    HenriK Flightless Bird

    Actually, when I saw the IE7.xxxx files after doing the backup, I just
    mentally noted that there seemed to be an awfully large number of these
    IE7.xxxx files and did not actually total up the amount of disk space
    involved. At the same time, I am also mindful of the comment, "If it
    ain't broke, don't fix it." What was originally in the back of my mind
    was getting rid of stuff that actually isn't needed because HD space is
    finite and I wish that guidance existed for all Microsoft products on
    what can and can not be gotten rid of.

    Just to clarify, I had originally upgraded my machine from the default
    IE6 to IE7 sometime back.

    Many thanks to all for an interesting bit of education.

    Kyler_IE8_Team wrote:
    > Jim is correct, they are not required to run IE8, and if you delete them, it
    > will not affect IE8 performance. How much space are these files taking up?
    >
    > Kyler
    > IE8 Outreach Team
    >
    > "HenriK" wrote:
    >
    >> On a Dell Precision 650 running 32 bit XP-Pro, I recently upgraded from
    >> IE7 to IE8. After a recent backup session, I see that my C:/ partition
    >> still contains a large number of files labeled IE7.xxxx.
    >>
    >> Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased or are they integral to
    >> IE8's proper operation?
    >>
    >> Many thanks for any insight to what I have seen.
    >> .
    >>
     
  10. HenriK

    HenriK Flightless Bird

    To add to my confusion, I have just looked at my backup logs more
    carefully and find that in addition to the large number of ie7.xxxx
    files I originally noted in my c:/windows\ie7\xxxx sub-directory
    (folder), I also see a substantial number of ie5.xxxx files in various
    sub-directories (folders) of c:/documents and settings\xxxx. Since the
    PC in question has never had an OS other than XP-Pro installed on it, my
    guess is that these ie5.xxxx files have to refer to something other than
    Internet Explorer 5, the default in Windows 2000-Pro. Can anyone explain?

    Perhaps I should add that this kind of snooping around one's file
    listings is a byproduct of being housebound because of today's massive
    mid-Atlantic blizzard. My yard has 12" of new snow on top of 28" of
    last week's snow and drifts of 60" - 72". Nobody is going anywhere for
    a couple of days.


    Kyler_IE8_Team wrote:
    > Jim is correct, they are not required to run IE8, and if you delete them, it
    > will not affect IE8 performance. How much space are these files taking up?
    >
    > Kyler
    > IE8 Outreach Team
    >
    > "HenriK" wrote:
    >
    >> On a Dell Precision 650 running 32 bit XP-Pro, I recently upgraded from
    >> IE7 to IE8. After a recent backup session, I see that my C:/ partition
    >> still contains a large number of files labeled IE7.xxxx.
    >>
    >> Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased or are they integral to
    >> IE8's proper operation?
    >>
    >> Many thanks for any insight to what I have seen.
    >> .
    >>
     
  11. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Now tell him what he should do if he deleted the files and later wanted or
    needed to uninstall IE8.

    While you're at it, find out if he's installed WinXP SP3 yet, too.


    Kyler_IE8_Team wrote:
    > Jim is correct, they are not required to run IE8, and if you delete them,
    > it
    > will not affect IE8 performance. How much space are these files taking up?
    >
    > Kyler
    > IE8 Outreach Team
    >
    > "HenriK" wrote:
    >
    >> On a Dell Precision 650 running 32 bit XP-Pro, I recently upgraded from
    >> IE7 to IE8. After a recent backup session, I see that my C:/ partition
    >> still contains a large number of files labeled IE7.xxxx.
    >>
    >> Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased or are they integral to
    >> IE8's proper operation?
    >>
    >> Many thanks for any insight to what I have seen.
    >> .
     
  12. HenriK

    HenriK Flightless Bird

    In my case, I am running XP-Pro, SP3.

    It sounds like there is more to the utility of these files that wasn't
    covered in Kyler's response although, in my case, I can't imagine why I
    would want to go back to IE7.

    I am curious, though, what SP3 has to do with the matter and, of most
    interest, how removing the IE7 files would affect deinstalling IE8.


    PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    > Now tell him what he should do if he deleted the files and later wanted
    > or needed to uninstall IE8.
    >
    > While you're at it, find out if he's installed WinXP SP3 yet, too.
    >
    >
    > Kyler_IE8_Team wrote:
    >> Jim is correct, they are not required to run IE8, and if you delete
    >> them, it
    >> will not affect IE8 performance. How much space are these files taking
    >> up?
    >>
    >> Kyler
    >> IE8 Outreach Team
    >>
    >> "HenriK" wrote:
    >>
    >>> On a Dell Precision 650 running 32 bit XP-Pro, I recently upgraded from
    >>> IE7 to IE8. After a recent backup session, I see that my C:/ partition
    >>> still contains a large number of files labeled IE7.xxxx.
    >>>
    >>> Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased or are they integral to
    >>> IE8's proper operation?
    >>>
    >>> Many thanks for any insight to what I have seen.
    >>> .

    >
     
  13. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    A1. See http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/05/05/ie-and-xpsp3.aspx

    A2. You wouldn't be able to uninstall IE8.


    HenriK wrote:
    > In my case, I am running XP-Pro, SP3.
    >
    > It sounds like there is more to the utility of these files that wasn't
    > covered in Kyler's response although, in my case, I can't imagine why I
    > would want to go back to IE7.
    >
    > I am curious, though, what SP3 has to do with the matter and, of most
    > interest, how removing the IE7 files would affect deinstalling IE8.
    >
    >
    > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    >> Now tell him what he should do if he deleted the files and later wanted
    >> or needed to uninstall IE8.
    >>
    >> While you're at it, find out if he's installed WinXP SP3 yet, too.
    >>
    >>
    >> Kyler_IE8_Team wrote:
    >>> Jim is correct, they are not required to run IE8, and if you delete
    >>> them, it
    >>> will not affect IE8 performance. How much space are these files taking
    >>> up?
    >>>
    >>> Kyler
    >>> IE8 Outreach Team
    >>>
    >>> "HenriK" wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On a Dell Precision 650 running 32 bit XP-Pro, I recently upgraded from
    >>>> IE7 to IE8. After a recent backup session, I see that my C:/ partition
    >>>> still contains a large number of files labeled IE7.xxxx.
    >>>>
    >>>> Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased or are they integral to
    >>>> IE8's proper operation?
    >>>>
    >>>> Many thanks for any insight to what I have seen.
    >>>> .
     
  14. Dan

    Dan Flightless Bird

    You don't have any IE5 files if your OS started as Windows XP - you will
    have folders with IE5 in the name though. These are just IE's temporary
    internet files folders - if you need to clear them out use the delete files
    option from within the IE settings. The IE5 in the name is just a hangover
    from the earlier IE version so that upgrades didn't have to worry about
    relocated TIF, they just continued to use the same folders as IE5 did and
    this naming scheme carried through the later versions too.

    Dan


    "HenriK" <bedpost@attglobal.net> wrote in message
    news:-OMb6x$pqKHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > To add to my confusion, I have just looked at my backup logs more
    > carefully and find that in addition to the large number of ie7.xxxx files
    > I originally noted in my c:/windows\ie7\xxxx sub-directory (folder), I
    > also see a substantial number of ie5.xxxx files in various sub-directories
    > (folders) of c:/documents and settings\xxxx. Since the PC in question
    > has never had an OS other than XP-Pro installed on it, my guess is that
    > these ie5.xxxx files have to refer to something other than Internet
    > Explorer 5, the default in Windows 2000-Pro. Can anyone explain?
    >
    > Perhaps I should add that this kind of snooping around one's file listings
    > is a byproduct of being housebound because of today's massive mid-Atlantic
    > blizzard. My yard has 12" of new snow on top of 28" of last week's snow
    > and drifts of 60" - 72". Nobody is going anywhere for a couple of days.
    >
    >
    > Kyler_IE8_Team wrote:
    >> Jim is correct, they are not required to run IE8, and if you delete them,
    >> it will not affect IE8 performance. How much space are these files taking
    >> up?
    >>
    >> Kyler
    >> IE8 Outreach Team
    >>
    >> "HenriK" wrote:
    >>
    >>> On a Dell Precision 650 running 32 bit XP-Pro, I recently upgraded from
    >>> IE7 to IE8. After a recent backup session, I see that my C:/ partition
    >>> still contains a large number of files labeled IE7.xxxx.
    >>>
    >>> Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased or are they integral to
    >>> IE8's proper operation?
    >>>
    >>> Many thanks for any insight to what I have seen.
    >>> .
    >>>
     
  15. HenriK

    HenriK Flightless Bird

    Thank you. I have learned something.


    PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    > A1. See http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/05/05/ie-and-xpsp3.aspx
    >
    > A2. You wouldn't be able to uninstall IE8.
    >
    >
    > HenriK wrote:
    >> In my case, I am running XP-Pro, SP3.
    >>
    >> It sounds like there is more to the utility of these files that wasn't
    >> covered in Kyler's response although, in my case, I can't imagine why I
    >> would want to go back to IE7.
    >>
    >> I am curious, though, what SP3 has to do with the matter and, of most
    >> interest, how removing the IE7 files would affect deinstalling IE8.
    >>
    >>
    >> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    >>> Now tell him what he should do if he deleted the files and later wanted
    >>> or needed to uninstall IE8.
    >>>
    >>> While you're at it, find out if he's installed WinXP SP3 yet, too.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Kyler_IE8_Team wrote:
    >>>> Jim is correct, they are not required to run IE8, and if you delete
    >>>> them, it
    >>>> will not affect IE8 performance. How much space are these files taking
    >>>> up?
    >>>>
    >>>> Kyler
    >>>> IE8 Outreach Team
    >>>>
    >>>> "HenriK" wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On a Dell Precision 650 running 32 bit XP-Pro, I recently upgraded
    >>>>> from
    >>>>> IE7 to IE8. After a recent backup session, I see that my C:/
    >>>>> partition
    >>>>> still contains a large number of files labeled IE7.xxxx.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased or are they integral to
    >>>>> IE8's proper operation?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Many thanks for any insight to what I have seen.
    >>>>> .

    >
     
  16. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    You're welcome. That's why they pay us the big bucks!

    NOT!


    HenriK wrote:
    > Thank you. I have learned something.
    >
    >
    > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    >> A1. See http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/05/05/ie-and-xpsp3.aspx
    >>
    >> A2. You wouldn't be able to uninstall IE8.
    >>
    >>
    >> HenriK wrote:
    >>> In my case, I am running XP-Pro, SP3.
    >>>
    >>> It sounds like there is more to the utility of these files that wasn't
    >>> covered in Kyler's response although, in my case, I can't imagine why I
    >>> would want to go back to IE7.
    >>>
    >>> I am curious, though, what SP3 has to do with the matter and, of most
    >>> interest, how removing the IE7 files would affect deinstalling IE8.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    >>>> Now tell him what he should do if he deleted the files and later wanted
    >>>> or needed to uninstall IE8.
    >>>>
    >>>> While you're at it, find out if he's installed WinXP SP3 yet, too.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Kyler_IE8_Team wrote:
    >>>>> Jim is correct, they are not required to run IE8, and if you delete
    >>>>> them, it
    >>>>> will not affect IE8 performance. How much space are these files taking
    >>>>> up?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Kyler
    >>>>> IE8 Outreach Team
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "HenriK" wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On a Dell Precision 650 running 32 bit XP-Pro, I recently upgraded
    >>>>>> from
    >>>>>> IE7 to IE8. After a recent backup session, I see that my C:/
    >>>>>> partition
    >>>>>> still contains a large number of files labeled IE7.xxxx.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Can these IE7 labeled files be manually erased or are they integral
    >>>>>> to
    >>>>>> IE8's proper operation?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Many thanks for any insight to what I have seen.
    >>>>>> .
     

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