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I can't get permission....

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Ophelia

Flightless Bird
"Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
news:AJydnbiL98_3gibRnZ2dnUVZ8i6dnZ2d@giganews.com...

> I remember a long thread ( quelle suprise! ) on a microsoft vista
> newsgroup
> where Valorie, as she was then, complained about an orphaned context menu
> entry still on her computer even though she had uninstalled the program.
> I think it was SuperAntiSpyware (or maybe Spybot). Same old story of
> plenty
> of help but all of it seeming to confuse her even further. Of course it
> was because
> everyone trying to help was a 'techie' talking technical stuff and all she
> wanted was help that a normal person could understand.
> Back then she used to get her next door neighbour's son to fix her
> computer because
> he was ' a geek '. I wonder what happened to him.


Oh dear...

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relic

Flightless Bird
"Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
news:AJydnbiL98_3gibRnZ2dnUVZ8i6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "relic" <relic211@cjb.net> wrote in message
> news:45bras.kng.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>
>> "Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
>> news:leqdnU3hJ6JRYSfRnZ2dnUVZ8uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Jack" <nospam@invalid.not> wrote in message
>>> news:tjCuo.1312$TJ7.333@newsfe11.iad...
>>>>
>>>> "Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:T5SdnZ9QO7rOUSfRnZ2dnUVZ8oSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Valorie *~" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4cba6fa0@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> " "Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> Try here then:
>>>>>>> http://www.mediafire.com/?ckn5r8ilnxkh6jc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That took me to Facebook and I didn't see anywhere to download
>>>>>> anything on the Facebook page. I'm not looking for filesharing
>>>>>> software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else ending up on Facebook, or is it just happening to Valorie
>>>>> *~ ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ownership.zip ...as usual, just Valorie *~
>>>
>>> Maybe Valorie *~ has some malware onboard.
>>>
>>>

>>
>> I think I would bet on that, but she probably only uses 'freebies' which
>> often won't detect the newest Malware.
>>
>> She should run some of the better on-line scans, Spysweeper is a
>> top-rated product with a scan available. SuperAntiSpyware is pretty good
>> too.
>>
>>

>
> I remember a long thread ( quelle suprise! ) on a microsoft vista
> newsgroup
> where Valorie, as she was then, complained about an orphaned context menu
> entry still on her computer even though she had uninstalled the program.
> I think it was SuperAntiSpyware (or maybe Spybot). Same old story of
> plenty
> of help but all of it seeming to confuse her even further. Of course it
> was because
> everyone trying to help was a 'techie' talking technical stuff and all she
> wanted was help that a normal person could understand.
> Back then she used to get her next door neighbour's son to fix her
> computer because
> he was ' a geek '. I wonder what happened to him.


I earned my living with large mainframe systems, so I wasn't much of a
techie on PCs. Since I retired, I have spent a lot of time with all the PCs
around my neighborhood and become pretty good at it; no one has ever had her
problems. That's why I suspect Malware.

I've read her threads but since there's never any useful information given,
I usually just ignore her problems. Just once I'd like to see something
like, "I installed a trial version of xxxx and decided I didn't like it."
Any information would be helpful. When she does give some information, it's
spoon-fed.
 
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Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:47:05 -0700, "relic" <relic211@cjb.net> wrote:

>"Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
>news:leqdnU3hJ6JRYSfRnZ2dnUVZ8uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> Maybe Valorie *~ has some malware onboard.

>
>I think I would bet on that, but she probably only uses 'freebies' which
>often won't detect the newest Malware.


In the tests I've seen, the freebies do as good a job as the paid
stuff, and often better.

I recommend Avira or Avast as antivirus, and MalwareBytes and
SuperAntiSpyware as malware scanners. All are free for personal use.
 
K

Ken Blake

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:03:46 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
wrote:


> In the tests I've seen, the freebies do as good a job as the paid
> stuff, and often better.
>
> I recommend Avira or Avast as antivirus, and MalwareBytes and
> SuperAntiSpyware as malware scanners. All are free for personal use.



All good recommendations. I agree. I would add two programs to your
list:

Microsoft Security Essentials (also free)

eSet NOD32 (not free, but the best of all anti-virus programs).
 
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Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:26:18 -0700, Ken Blake <kblake@kb.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:03:46 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>
>> In the tests I've seen, the freebies do as good a job as the paid
>> stuff, and often better.
>>
>> I recommend Avira or Avast as antivirus, and MalwareBytes and
>> SuperAntiSpyware as malware scanners. All are free for personal use.

>
>
>All good recommendations. I agree. I would add two programs to your
>list:
>
>Microsoft Security Essentials (also free)
>
>eSet NOD32 (not free, but the best of all anti-virus programs).


Yep, I like those as well.
 
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relic

Flightless Bird
"Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
news:e0imb6557fpubcj11iekmertce8jebleib@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:47:05 -0700, "relic" <relic211@cjb.net> wrote:
>
>>"Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
>>news:leqdnU3hJ6JRYSfRnZ2dnUVZ8uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> Maybe Valorie *~ has some malware onboard.

>>
>>I think I would bet on that, but she probably only uses 'freebies' which
>>often won't detect the newest Malware.

>
> In the tests I've seen, the freebies do as good a job as the paid
> stuff, and often better.
>
> I recommend Avira or Avast as antivirus, and MalwareBytes and
> SuperAntiSpyware as malware scanners. All are free for personal use.
>


Often, you get what you pay for. I've seen free AVs miss a lot over the
years. Same for Spybot, Adaware, etc... They haven't done that well in
several tests either. Example:
http://antivirus.about.com/od/antivirussoftwarereviews/a/freeav.htm
 
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Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:15:33 -0700, "relic" <relic211@cjb.net> wrote:

>
>"Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
>news:e0imb6557fpubcj11iekmertce8jebleib@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:47:05 -0700, "relic" <relic211@cjb.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
>>>news:leqdnU3hJ6JRYSfRnZ2dnUVZ8uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Valorie *~ has some malware onboard.
>>>
>>>I think I would bet on that, but she probably only uses 'freebies' which
>>>often won't detect the newest Malware.

>>
>> In the tests I've seen, the freebies do as good a job as the paid
>> stuff, and often better.
>>
>> I recommend Avira or Avast as antivirus, and MalwareBytes and
>> SuperAntiSpyware as malware scanners. All are free for personal use.
>>

>
>Often, you get what you pay for.


Agreed, that's quite often the case, but that just makes this a very
sweet exception.

>I've seen free AVs miss a lot over the years.


All AV's have hits and misses. Free stuff isn't immune, but it's
generally a lot better than many of the big names that come as free
trials on every PC.

>Same for Spybot, Adaware, etc... They haven't done that well in
>several tests either. Example:
>http://antivirus.about.com/od/antivirussoftwarereviews/a/freeav.htm


Spybot and AdAware usage probably peaked in the 2004-2006 timeframe.
Both were on a sharp decline by 2007 and are quite out of favor by
now. Skip them and use some or all of the others that have been
mentioned in this thread.
 
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Nil

Flightless Bird
On 17 Oct 2010, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

> Spybot and AdAware usage probably peaked in the 2004-2006
> timeframe. Both were on a sharp decline by 2007 and are quite out
> of favor by now. Skip them and use some or all of the others that
> have been mentioned in this thread.


Spybot seems pretty weak any more. However, I do like and use it's
Immunize feature, which updates the Hosts file, and IE's and Firefox's
bad guy lists with known malicious sites. Otherwise, it's become pretty
lame.

I still have AdAware installed, but not for long, I think. They did
something a few of months ago that makes it take up to a half-hour to
update its definitions, during which time it slows the entire computer
down to a crawl. There are many complaints on its user forum, but the
company is unwilling to address or even acknowledge the issue. That's
unacceptable to me, and anyway the program doesn't work any better than
several other alternatives.
 
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Lewis

Flightless Bird
In message <45bras.kng.17.1@news.alt.net>
relic <relic211@cjb.net> wrote:

> "Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
> news:leqdnU3hJ6JRYSfRnZ2dnUVZ8uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "Jack" <nospam@invalid.not> wrote in message
>> news:tjCuo.1312$TJ7.333@newsfe11.iad...
>>>
>>> "Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
>>> news:T5SdnZ9QO7rOUSfRnZ2dnUVZ8oSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Valorie *~" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:4cba6fa0@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>>
>>>>> " "Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> Try here then:
>>>>>> http://www.mediafire.com/?ckn5r8ilnxkh6jc
>>>>>
>>>>> That took me to Facebook and I didn't see anywhere to download anything
>>>>> on the Facebook page. I'm not looking for filesharing software.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else ending up on Facebook, or is it just happening to Valorie *~
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ownership.zip ...as usual, just Valorie *~

>>
>> Maybe Valorie *~ has some malware onboard.
>>
>>


> I think I would bet on that, but she probably only uses 'freebies' which
> often won't detect the newest Malware.


I've never had any complaints/problems with Avast!

OTOH, I've also not seen anything on Win7....

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Of pleasures, those that occur most rarely give the most delight
 
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Bob Henson

Flightless Bird
"Nil" <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9E14CE8462169nilch1@130.133.4.11:

> On 17 Oct 2010, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote in
> alt.windows7.general:
>
> > Spybot and AdAware usage probably peaked in the 2004-2006
> > timeframe. Both were on a sharp decline by 2007 and are quite out
> > of favor by now. Skip them and use some or all of the others that
> > have been mentioned in this thread.

>
> Spybot seems pretty weak any more. However, I do like and use it's
> Immunize feature, which updates the Hosts file, and IE's and Firefox's
> bad guy lists with known malicious sites. Otherwise, it's become pretty
> lame.
>
> I still have AdAware installed, but not for long, I think. They did
> something a few of months ago that makes it take up to a half-hour to
> update its definitions, during which time it slows the entire computer
> down to a crawl. There are many complaints on its user forum, but the
> company is unwilling to address or even acknowledge the issue. That's
> unacceptable to me, and anyway the program doesn't work any better than
> several other alternatives.


I certainly agree about AdAware. As to updating and adding to IE and
Firefox's block lists, SpyWareBlaster is quite handy - it adds a huge
long list of sites to block to both browsers with no overheads whatever
- you just need to run it every now and then.
--

Regards,

Bob
 
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Ed Cryer

Flightless Bird
On 18/10/2010 01:18, Nil wrote:
> On 17 Oct 2010, Char Jackson<none@none.invalid> wrote in
> alt.windows7.general:
>
>> Spybot and AdAware usage probably peaked in the 2004-2006
>> timeframe. Both were on a sharp decline by 2007 and are quite out
>> of favor by now. Skip them and use some or all of the others that
>> have been mentioned in this thread.

>
> Spybot seems pretty weak any more. However, I do like and use it's
> Immunize feature, which updates the Hosts file, and IE's and Firefox's
> bad guy lists with known malicious sites. Otherwise, it's become pretty
> lame.
>
> I still have AdAware installed, but not for long, I think. They did
> something a few of months ago that makes it take up to a half-hour to
> update its definitions, during which time it slows the entire computer
> down to a crawl. There are many complaints on its user forum, but the
> company is unwilling to address or even acknowledge the issue. That's
> unacceptable to me, and anyway the program doesn't work any better than
> several other alternatives.


Same here with Ad-Aware.
I've found that if I clear the Firefox cookies folder before running it,
then it finds nothing! That's been the case for the last four weekly runs.
I've also installed Malwarebytes, and I've been running that weekly. It
takes a good 25mins, and finds nothing either.
I'm soon going to decide between the two; may even end up ditching them
both.

Ed
 
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Alias

Flightless Bird
On 10/18/2010 06:25 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> On 18/10/2010 01:18, Nil wrote:
>> On 17 Oct 2010, Char Jackson<none@none.invalid> wrote in
>> alt.windows7.general:
>>
>>> Spybot and AdAware usage probably peaked in the 2004-2006
>>> timeframe. Both were on a sharp decline by 2007 and are quite out
>>> of favor by now. Skip them and use some or all of the others that
>>> have been mentioned in this thread.

>>
>> Spybot seems pretty weak any more. However, I do like and use it's
>> Immunize feature, which updates the Hosts file, and IE's and Firefox's
>> bad guy lists with known malicious sites. Otherwise, it's become pretty
>> lame.
>>
>> I still have AdAware installed, but not for long, I think. They did
>> something a few of months ago that makes it take up to a half-hour to
>> update its definitions, during which time it slows the entire computer
>> down to a crawl. There are many complaints on its user forum, but the
>> company is unwilling to address or even acknowledge the issue. That's
>> unacceptable to me, and anyway the program doesn't work any better than
>> several other alternatives.

>
> Same here with Ad-Aware.
> I've found that if I clear the Firefox cookies folder before running it,
> then it finds nothing! That's been the case for the last four weekly runs.
> I've also installed Malwarebytes, and I've been running that weekly. It
> takes a good 25mins, and finds nothing either.


That's a good thing. Don't get rid of it, though, just because you don't
have any malware.

> I'm soon going to decide between the two; may even end up ditching them
> both.
>
> Ed
>


Ad-Aware hasn't been useful in years. I'm surprised people still use it.

--
Alias
 
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Nil

Flightless Bird
On 18 Oct 2010, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

> Same here with Ad-Aware.
> I've found that if I clear the Firefox cookies folder before
> running it, then it finds nothing! That's been the case for the
> last four weekly runs. I've also installed Malwarebytes, and I've
> been running that weekly. It takes a good 25mins, and finds
> nothing either.


Well, nothing wrong with that. If you aren't otherwise infected, both
those programs would be likely to flag tracking cookies as suspicious.
If you've just deleted all your cookies, there would be nothing left to
find.

> I'm soon going to decide between the two; may even
> end up ditching them both.


AdAware does occasionally find some stuff that Malwarebytes misses and
vice-versa, as does SuperAntiSpyware. I run all three of them every
once in a while.
 
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Dave

Flightless Bird
Re: I can't get permission.... this doesn't do it.

"Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4cb8a6b3@news.x-privat.org...
> "JimBob" <user@home.invalid> wrote in message
> news:i99cip$jqv$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:4cb7cc82@news.x-privat.org...
>>> "Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in message
>>> news:i96r6m$4eq$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:4cb678b4@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>> "Nil" <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Xns9E10DB475A04Cnilch1@130.133.4.11...
>>>>>> On 13 Oct 2010, "Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>> alt.windows7.general:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the site:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not and do not recommend any site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Use Windows help system. Or pay someone who can follow simple
>>>>>> directions to fix it for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * This does not stop the permission window from coming up when
>>>>>>> trying to delete unwanted files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since you don't describe the "permission window", all I can say is...
>>>>>> Yes it does.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a small window that says I need permission to continue whatever I
>>>>> want to do. When I click on continue it doesn't allow me to continue
>>>>> to delete or move my files. How else can it be described? This is a
>>>>> text NG so I can't add a JPG to show you. I'm surprised you don't
>>>>> know what that window looks like. If it's not called a permission
>>>>> window... what does MS call it?
>>>>
>>>> You can include the file path. That can make a huge difference.
>>>
>>> I didn't see a file path in the small pop-up window that asks for
>>> permission.
>>>
>>>> Anything short of 100% information is a crap shoot. You barely include
>>>> 50% in your first postings.
>>>
>>> Sorry, I figured everyone who has W-7 would see that "permission" window
>>> as soon as they tried to install software, move or delete a file.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> Hi,
>> I understand how that can be a little confusing. All it's really trying
>> to tell you is you need to be an administrator or have administrator
>> permission for that particular action.

>
> I am the administrator but it doesn't seem to make a difference when I
> want to delete or move something. Sometimes I can drag a file to the
> desktop, then to the recycle bin.
>
>>
>>

>
>


It's been a while since I installed Win 7, but when I did I set my machine
up with one account as "administrator"--it doesn't matter what you name it,
it is supposed to have administrator privileges--and continued to use Win 7
for a short while. This is how I had set up all previous versions of
Windows, even Vista, which all the guru's said should not be done due to
security and etc. The recommendation was to use the UAC, which I found
tiring and over-rated, but that's just me as I'm the only one using my
computer so I don't think I need it.
But, I ran into a problem with Win7, as I remember it was something similar
to what you are experiencing, and it has to do with permissions. I wish I
could give you more specifics, but it's been a while so I don't remember all
the details. Fortunately, I found a fix posted in a forum that will
sometimes work, which is a backdoor method of creating the administrator
account and a user account. As I remember the instructions it was not an
authorized MS fix, but was posted by a MS certified guru like Ken Blake so I
figured it was worth a shot. According to him, sometimes the setup I was
using will cause a problem and sometimes it won't, it is something inherent
and hidden is the innards of Win7. The fix sometimes won't work so the only
solution is to reinstall the OS, create the admin account and then the user
account so all the permissions will be correct. You may be able to find it
by searching this topic, that's how I found it. The failure in this
situation is that MS does not make it clear you have to install with an
admin account and a user account as they have increased the reliance on the
UAC.
Hopefully someone in this NG will be able to add to this or correct any
mistakes I've made.
HTH,
Dave
 
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Dave

Flightless Bird
"Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
news:AJydnbiL98_3gibRnZ2dnUVZ8i6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "relic" <relic211@cjb.net> wrote in message
> news:45bras.kng.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>
>> "Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
>> news:leqdnU3hJ6JRYSfRnZ2dnUVZ8uadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Jack" <nospam@invalid.not> wrote in message
>>> news:tjCuo.1312$TJ7.333@newsfe11.iad...
>>>>
>>>> "Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:T5SdnZ9QO7rOUSfRnZ2dnUVZ8oSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Valorie *~" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4cba6fa0@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> " "Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> Try here then:
>>>>>>> http://www.mediafire.com/?ckn5r8ilnxkh6jc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That took me to Facebook and I didn't see anywhere to download
>>>>>> anything on the Facebook page. I'm not looking for filesharing
>>>>>> software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else ending up on Facebook, or is it just happening to Valorie
>>>>> *~ ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ownership.zip ...as usual, just Valorie *~
>>>
>>> Maybe Valorie *~ has some malware onboard.
>>>
>>>

>>
>> I think I would bet on that, but she probably only uses 'freebies' which
>> often won't detect the newest Malware.
>>
>> She should run some of the better on-line scans, Spysweeper is a
>> top-rated product with a scan available. SuperAntiSpyware is pretty good
>> too.
>>
>>

>
> I remember a long thread ( quelle suprise! ) on a microsoft vista
> newsgroup
> where Valorie, as she was then, complained about an orphaned context menu
> entry still on her computer even though she had uninstalled the program.
> I think it was SuperAntiSpyware (or maybe Spybot). Same old story of
> plenty
> of help but all of it seeming to confuse her even further. Of course it
> was because
> everyone trying to help was a 'techie' talking technical stuff and all she
> wanted was help that a normal person could understand.
> Back then she used to get her next door neighbour's son to fix her
> computer because
> he was ' a geek '. I wonder what happened to him.
>
>


I use MalwareBytes, Spybot and SuperAntiSpyware, all free and do not have a
problem with malware. I also use MS Security Essentials which is free and
one of the top rated antivirus.
With that being said, the info you post concerning her on a Vista group with
the same attitude makes me second-think my opinion of where she's at in
terms of Win 7. I always thought she was lost due to the higher learning
curve on Win 7, but I think I'm now agreeing with the opinion she wants to
be spoon-fed and is very quick to criticize when answers don't fit her
opinions or when someone wants more info.
Maybe she should go to a machine with an Apple OS, which is almost all
automatic and if you do screw it up you just do a reinstall. She'd probably
complain then that she can't tailor this or that like she could in Windows.
=D
Dave
 
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