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How to stop sidebar.exe from autorunning?

F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hjdemh$pet$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:hjd0ek$rqp$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank <fab@scu.kma> wrote in news:4b59f352@news.x-privat.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I run the sidebar (sidebar.exe), it adds itself into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> registry so that it auto runs at the next windows startup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I run it when I want, but stop it from making itself autorun
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everytime I run it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW I want to run it when I feel like it, but I don't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make itself autorun. How to do this?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not just right click on your desktop/view/show desktop
>>>>>>>>>>>> gadgets
>>>>>>>>>>>> and take the tick off "show desktop gadgets" when you don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>>>> view them?
>>>>>>>>>>> I could, but that really isn't what I want. Control, man,
>>>>>>>>>>> control. I
>>>>>>>>>>> want to control when it runs, not have it tell me it is going
>>>>>>>>>>> to run
>>>>>>>>>>> at startup whether I want it to or not.
>>>>>>>>>> You've got the wrong operating system if you want control. MS
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> do relinquishing control of Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This isn't an OS issue, it's an application issue. Usually,
>>>>>>>>> such programs allow you to choose whether they run at startup.
>>>>>>>>> For reasons known only to Microsoft, sidebar doesn't give you
>>>>>>>>> that choice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cody, aka alias, is a known MS hating linturd troll. He doesn't
>>>>>>>> have Windows 7 so he knows nothing at all about it so obviously,
>>>>>>>> pay no attention to the stupid troll.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can easily solve your "control" issue with sidebar.exe by
>>>>>>>> swapping the Windows 7 version of the sidebar.exe files with the
>>>>>>>> Vista version.
>>>>>>>> The Vista version is the original gadget version whereas the
>>>>>>>> Windows 7 version are handled just like desktop icons, as you've
>>>>>>>> noticed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You'll need to take control of the W 7 files to do the swap and
>>>>>>>> can do that with this handy little take ownership reg hack at:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/499870-vista-tips-tricks-tweaks/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Vista gadget setup will allow you to control gadget startup
>>>>>>>> and will place an icon in your taskbar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hacking usually is the way MS products can be controlled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Open msconfig from the runbox.
>>>>>> Go to the startup tab.
>>>>>> uncheck sidebar.exe
>>>>>> close msconfig.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to restart sidebar just type it into the runbox.
>>>>>
>>>>> How user unfriendly can MS get?
>>>>>
>>>> You don't have nor use 7
>>>
>>> Yes I do.
>>>
>>>> so why do you care?
>>>
>>> I don't like the Sidebar loading automatically either, obviously
>>>
>> You don't have Windows 7 so you don't have any sidebar to worry about!
>> Oops!...LOL!
>
> And your proof other than your twisted imagination is?
>
Your daily dissing of a product you don't even have!
Oops!
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:

> Biggest OOPS!...LOL!

I agree, you're one big oops.

--
Alias
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:hjdemh$pet$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:hjd0ek$rqp$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank <fab@scu.kma> wrote in news:4b59f352@news.x-privat.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I run the sidebar (sidebar.exe), it adds itself into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registry so that it auto runs at the next windows startup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I run it when I want, but stop it from making itself autorun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everytime I run it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW I want to run it when I feel like it, but I don't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make itself autorun. How to do this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not just right click on your desktop/view/show desktop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gadgets
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and take the tick off "show desktop gadgets" when you don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> view them?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could, but that really isn't what I want. Control, man,
>>>>>>>>>>>> control. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to control when it runs, not have it tell me it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> going to run
>>>>>>>>>>>> at startup whether I want it to or not.
>>>>>>>>>>> You've got the wrong operating system if you want control. MS
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> do relinquishing control of Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This isn't an OS issue, it's an application issue. Usually,
>>>>>>>>>> such programs allow you to choose whether they run at startup.
>>>>>>>>>> For reasons known only to Microsoft, sidebar doesn't give you
>>>>>>>>>> that choice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cody, aka alias, is a known MS hating linturd troll. He doesn't
>>>>>>>>> have Windows 7 so he knows nothing at all about it so
>>>>>>>>> obviously, pay no attention to the stupid troll.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can easily solve your "control" issue with sidebar.exe by
>>>>>>>>> swapping the Windows 7 version of the sidebar.exe files with
>>>>>>>>> the Vista version.
>>>>>>>>> The Vista version is the original gadget version whereas the
>>>>>>>>> Windows 7 version are handled just like desktop icons, as
>>>>>>>>> you've noticed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You'll need to take control of the W 7 files to do the swap and
>>>>>>>>> can do that with this handy little take ownership reg hack at:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/499870-vista-tips-tricks-tweaks/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Vista gadget setup will allow you to control gadget startup
>>>>>>>>> and will place an icon in your taskbar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hacking usually is the way MS products can be controlled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Open msconfig from the runbox.
>>>>>>> Go to the startup tab.
>>>>>>> uncheck sidebar.exe
>>>>>>> close msconfig.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to restart sidebar just type it into the runbox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How user unfriendly can MS get?
>>>>>>
>>>>> You don't have nor use 7
>>>>
>>>> Yes I do.
>>>>
>>>>> so why do you care?
>>>>
>>>> I don't like the Sidebar loading automatically either, obviously
>>>>
>>> You don't have Windows 7 so you don't have any sidebar to worry about!
>>> Oops!...LOL!
>>
>> And your proof other than your twisted imagination is?
>>
> Your daily dissing of a product you don't even have!
> Oops!

I do have it and you can't prove otherwise.

--
Alias
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>> news:hjd0ek$rqp$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>> Frank <fab@scu.kma> wrote in news:4b59f352@news.x-privat.org:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> If I run the sidebar (sidebar.exe), it adds itself into the
>>>>>>>>>> registry so that it auto runs at the next windows startup. How
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> I run it when I want, but stop it from making itself autorun
>>>>>>>>>> everytime I run it?
>>>>>>>>>> IOW I want to run it when I feel like it, but I don't want it to
>>>>>>>>>> make itself autorun. How to do this?
>>>>>>>>> Why not just right click on your desktop/view/show desktop gadgets
>>>>>>>>> and take the tick off "show desktop gadgets" when you don't
>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>> view them?
>>>>>>>> I could, but that really isn't what I want. Control, man,
>>>>>>>> control. I
>>>>>>>> want to control when it runs, not have it tell me it is going to
>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>> at startup whether I want it to or not.
>>>>>>> You've got the wrong operating system if you want control. MS
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> do relinquishing control of Windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This isn't an OS issue, it's an application issue. Usually, such
>>>>>> programs allow you to choose whether they run at startup. For
>>>>>> reasons known only to Microsoft, sidebar doesn't give you that
>>>>>> choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's just another way Microsoft keeps tabs on you.
>>>>>
>>>> How would you know? You've just a stupid uninformed, ill informed
>>>> lying linux troll.
>>>> Why is an idiot troll like you even in here huh?
>>>> Oh I almost forgot what you said a few days ago...you're here to
>>>> make this ng unusable.
>>>> Forget it cody...you're even too stupid to do that!
>>>> Oops!
>>>
>>> The above is Frank thinking that he's "kicking my ass all over the
>>> ng". LOL! What a lamer.
>>>
>> Thanks for proving my point cody...you MS hating lying linturd troll.
>
> Yep, that's what Frank the Wank thinks. So funny and pathetically sad at
> the same time!
>
Sorry cody, but you've completely destroyed your image as a truth
telling, caring individual, long ago.
And you did it to yourself, and all by your little self.
How wonderful!
 
D

Dave-UK

Flightless Bird
"Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D0967082DCE6nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131...
> "Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in
> news:aKCdnaIYlMY2XsfWnZ2dnUVZ7oOdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>>
>> "Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D08D3366A8FCnospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131...
>>>>
>>>> Open msconfig from the runbox.
>>>> Go to the startup tab.
>>>> uncheck sidebar.exe
>>>> close msconfig.
>>>>
>>>> to restart sidebar just type it into the runbox.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That works real good...except for that when you run it, it add itself
>>> right back to startup :)
>>
>> I replied to the wrong thread, sorry! :-(
>> I think you'll have to hack sidebar.exe, see your thread 'Access
>> denied on various Win7 files.' I'll repeat my post here:
>>
>> If you check the security status of sidebar.exe you will see that
>> Users, Administrators and even System have only read and execute
>> access. Only TrustedInstaller has full control. That's why you can't
>> rename it. If you wanted to run sidebar.exe as you said, you would
>> first have to take ownership of the file and then give yourself full
>> control. Then edit it with a hex editor to stop it writing the
>> registry entry to run at start-up. The string
>> 'Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run' starts at 0x00005F1C
>> so you could, I guess, modify that by changing, say, Run to Sun. Then
>> when you ran the program it would write a harmless registry entry that
>> didn't instigate a run at start-up.
>> If you tried to edit sidebar.exe without taking ownership then Win7
>> will just automatically replace the edited file with a good copy.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I saw your original post. Thank you for the intelligent and informative
> response! When did usenet degenerate so badly that half the people seem
> to be incapable of a response that goes beyond something like "to stop
> idiots like you from messing with it"? Back in the good old days you just
> didn't see many mouthy 10 year old kids out here. Now, most of this
> thread has devolved to "mine is bigger than yours, you <insert
> prepubescent insult of the day>".
>
> I played with it for a while. The first thing I did was make a copy of
> the file, since I have full ownership of the copy and it was easier to do
> that than to figure out how to take control of it. I looked through the
> executable, and the registry string does not occur anywhere in the
> version I have, let alone at the address you specified. At this point I
> moved on to other projects because I didn't have time to pursue it
> further.
>
> My motivation for figuring this out is that I remove all startup items
> from startup so they don't execute by default. Several years ago I wrote
> a simple program that lets me store a list of startup items, and
> conditionally executes them for me. I boot Windows, which happens much
> faster without all of the startup junk. Then I run my program, which will
> either let me choose individual startup items, or it will run items that
> I have preconfigured to be run when I push the go button. I wanted to add
> sidebar to this list, which is when I discovered the it automatically
> makes itself auto start each time you run it. (programmers that pull
> stunts like that need to have their fingers broken so they don't do
> things like that anymnore).


Sorry, I forgot I'm running x64 so I've got two sidebar.exe.
The 32 bit is version 6.1.7600.16385, 1.40 MB (1,475,072 bytes)
The address of the start of the string in the 32 bit version
is 0x000AC534.

The 64 bit is same version number, 1.11 MB (1,173,504 bytes)
The address of the start of the string is 0x00005F1C.

I'm using Hexworkshop but Hexedit gives the same results.
http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~prewett/hexedit/
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:hjd0ek$rqp$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Frank <fab@scu.kma> wrote in news:4b59f352@news.x-privat.org:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> If I run the sidebar (sidebar.exe), it adds itself into the
>>>>>>>>>>> registry so that it auto runs at the next windows startup.
>>>>>>>>>>> How can
>>>>>>>>>>> I run it when I want, but stop it from making itself autorun
>>>>>>>>>>> everytime I run it?
>>>>>>>>>>> IOW I want to run it when I feel like it, but I don't want it to
>>>>>>>>>>> make itself autorun. How to do this?
>>>>>>>>>> Why not just right click on your desktop/view/show desktop
>>>>>>>>>> gadgets
>>>>>>>>>> and take the tick off "show desktop gadgets" when you don't
>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>> view them?
>>>>>>>>> I could, but that really isn't what I want. Control, man,
>>>>>>>>> control. I
>>>>>>>>> want to control when it runs, not have it tell me it is going
>>>>>>>>> to run
>>>>>>>>> at startup whether I want it to or not.
>>>>>>>> You've got the wrong operating system if you want control. MS
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>> do relinquishing control of Windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This isn't an OS issue, it's an application issue. Usually, such
>>>>>>> programs allow you to choose whether they run at startup. For
>>>>>>> reasons known only to Microsoft, sidebar doesn't give you that
>>>>>>> choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's just another way Microsoft keeps tabs on you.
>>>>>>
>>>>> How would you know? You've just a stupid uninformed, ill informed
>>>>> lying linux troll.
>>>>> Why is an idiot troll like you even in here huh?
>>>>> Oh I almost forgot what you said a few days ago...you're here to
>>>>> make this ng unusable.
>>>>> Forget it cody...you're even too stupid to do that!
>>>>> Oops!
>>>>
>>>> The above is Frank thinking that he's "kicking my ass all over the
>>>> ng". LOL! What a lamer.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for proving my point cody...you MS hating lying linturd troll.
>>
>> Yep, that's what Frank the Wank thinks. So funny and pathetically sad
>> at the same time!
>>
> Sorry cody, but you've completely destroyed your image as a truth
> telling, caring individual, long ago.
> And you did it to yourself, and all by your little self.
> How wonderful!

Your opinion and therefore completely invalid.

--
Alias
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:hjd0ek$rqp$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank <fab@scu.kma> wrote in news:4b59f352@news.x-privat.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I run the sidebar (sidebar.exe), it adds itself into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registry so that it auto runs at the next windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup. How can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I run it when I want, but stop it from making itself autorun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everytime I run it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW I want to run it when I feel like it, but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make itself autorun. How to do this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not just right click on your desktop/view/show desktop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gadgets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and take the tick off "show desktop gadgets" when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could, but that really isn't what I want. Control, man,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> control. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to control when it runs, not have it tell me it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to run
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at startup whether I want it to or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You've got the wrong operating system if you want control.
>>>>>>>>>>>> MS doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> do relinquishing control of Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't an OS issue, it's an application issue. Usually,
>>>>>>>>>>> such programs allow you to choose whether they run at
>>>>>>>>>>> startup. For reasons known only to Microsoft, sidebar doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> give you that choice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> cody, aka alias, is a known MS hating linturd troll. He
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have Windows 7 so he knows nothing at all about it so
>>>>>>>>>> obviously, pay no attention to the stupid troll.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can easily solve your "control" issue with sidebar.exe by
>>>>>>>>>> swapping the Windows 7 version of the sidebar.exe files with
>>>>>>>>>> the Vista version.
>>>>>>>>>> The Vista version is the original gadget version whereas the
>>>>>>>>>> Windows 7 version are handled just like desktop icons, as
>>>>>>>>>> you've noticed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You'll need to take control of the W 7 files to do the swap
>>>>>>>>>> and can do that with this handy little take ownership reg hack
>>>>>>>>>> at:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/499870-vista-tips-tricks-tweaks/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Vista gadget setup will allow you to control gadget
>>>>>>>>>> startup and will place an icon in your taskbar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hacking usually is the way MS products can be controlled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How would know?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I use MS products, of course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't user Windows 7.
>>>>>>>> Oops!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You got confused with your grammar again, Frank, and I do own Win
>>>>>>> 7 and *use* it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep lying...its still funny!
>>>>>> Oops!
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, being as you're not here, how would you know?
>>>>
>>>> You've left a trail of hints!
>>>> Oops!
>>>
>>> Like?
>>>
>>> Snip.
>>>
>> You're like a slug...a snail...you leave a trail of lies and
>> contradictions and think nothing of it. You are a real pathological
>> liar...as you've proven and as we've all seen.
>> Big fucking OOPS!!!
>
> Calling me names isn't proof of anything except how limited your
> imagination and vocabulary is.
>
Yawn.
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:hjd0ek$rqp$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank <fab@scu.kma> wrote in news:4b59f352@news.x-privat.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I run the sidebar (sidebar.exe), it adds itself into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registry so that it auto runs at the next windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup. How can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I run it when I want, but stop it from making itself autorun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everytime I run it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW I want to run it when I feel like it, but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make itself autorun. How to do this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not just right click on your desktop/view/show desktop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gadgets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and take the tick off "show desktop gadgets" when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could, but that really isn't what I want. Control, man,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> control. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to control when it runs, not have it tell me it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to run
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at startup whether I want it to or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You've got the wrong operating system if you want control.
>>>>>>>>>>>> MS doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> do relinquishing control of Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't an OS issue, it's an application issue. Usually,
>>>>>>>>>>> such programs allow you to choose whether they run at
>>>>>>>>>>> startup. For reasons known only to Microsoft, sidebar doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> give you that choice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> cody, aka alias, is a known MS hating linturd troll. He
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have Windows 7 so he knows nothing at all about it so
>>>>>>>>>> obviously, pay no attention to the stupid troll.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can easily solve your "control" issue with sidebar.exe by
>>>>>>>>>> swapping the Windows 7 version of the sidebar.exe files with
>>>>>>>>>> the Vista version.
>>>>>>>>>> The Vista version is the original gadget version whereas the
>>>>>>>>>> Windows 7 version are handled just like desktop icons, as
>>>>>>>>>> you've noticed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You'll need to take control of the W 7 files to do the swap
>>>>>>>>>> and can do that with this handy little take ownership reg hack
>>>>>>>>>> at:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/499870-vista-tips-tricks-tweaks/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Vista gadget setup will allow you to control gadget
>>>>>>>>>> startup and will place an icon in your taskbar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hacking usually is the way MS products can be controlled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How would know?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I use MS products, of course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't user Windows 7.
>>>>>>>> Oops!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You got confused with your grammar again, Frank, and I do own Win
>>>>>>> 7 and *use* it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep lying...its still funny!
>>>>>> Oops!
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, being as you're not here, how would you know?
>>>>
>>>> You've left a trail of hints!
>>>> Oops!
>>>
>>> Like?
>>>
>>> Snip.
>>>
>> You're like a slug...a snail...you leave a trail of lies and
>> contradictions and think nothing of it. You are a real pathological
>> liar...as you've proven and as we've all seen.
>> Big fucking OOPS!!!
>
> Calling me names isn't proof of anything except how limited your
> imagination and vocabulary is.
>
Big yawn.
 
Z

Zootal

Flightless Bird
"Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in
news:fpWdnYC4pouU0sbWnZ2dnUVZ7rSdnZ2d@giganews.com:

>
> "Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D0967082DCE6nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131...
>> "Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in
>> news:aKCdnaIYlMY2XsfWnZ2dnUVZ7oOdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>>
>>> "Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9D08D3366A8FCnospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131...
>>>>>
>>>>> Open msconfig from the runbox.
>>>>> Go to the startup tab.
>>>>> uncheck sidebar.exe
>>>>> close msconfig.
>>>>>
>>>>> to restart sidebar just type it into the runbox.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That works real good...except for that when you run it, it add
>>>> itself right back to startup :)
>>>
>>> I replied to the wrong thread, sorry! :-(
>>> I think you'll have to hack sidebar.exe, see your thread 'Access
>>> denied on various Win7 files.' I'll repeat my post here:
>>>
>>> If you check the security status of sidebar.exe you will see that
>>> Users, Administrators and even System have only read and execute
>>> access. Only TrustedInstaller has full control. That's why you can't
>>> rename it. If you wanted to run sidebar.exe as you said, you would
>>> first have to take ownership of the file and then give yourself full
>>> control. Then edit it with a hex editor to stop it writing the
>>> registry entry to run at start-up. The string
>>> 'Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run' starts at 0x00005F1C
>>> so you could, I guess, modify that by changing, say, Run to Sun.
>>> Then when you ran the program it would write a harmless registry
>>> entry that didn't instigate a run at start-up.
>>> If you tried to edit sidebar.exe without taking ownership then Win7
>>> will just automatically replace the edited file with a good copy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I saw your original post. Thank you for the intelligent and
>> informative response! When did usenet degenerate so badly that half
>> the people seem to be incapable of a response that goes beyond
>> something like "to stop idiots like you from messing with it"? Back
>> in the good old days you just didn't see many mouthy 10 year old kids
>> out here. Now, most of this thread has devolved to "mine is bigger
>> than yours, you <insert prepubescent insult of the day>".
>>
>> I played with it for a while. The first thing I did was make a copy
>> of the file, since I have full ownership of the copy and it was
>> easier to do that than to figure out how to take control of it. I
>> looked through the executable, and the registry string does not occur
>> anywhere in the version I have, let alone at the address you
>> specified. At this point I moved on to other projects because I
>> didn't have time to pursue it further.
>>
>> My motivation for figuring this out is that I remove all startup
>> items from startup so they don't execute by default. Several years
>> ago I wrote a simple program that lets me store a list of startup
>> items, and conditionally executes them for me. I boot Windows, which
>> happens much faster without all of the startup junk. Then I run my
>> program, which will either let me choose individual startup items, or
>> it will run items that I have preconfigured to be run when I push the
>> go button. I wanted to add sidebar to this list, which is when I
>> discovered the it automatically makes itself auto start each time you
>> run it. (programmers that pull stunts like that need to have their
>> fingers broken so they don't do things like that anymnore).
>
>
> Sorry, I forgot I'm running x64 so I've got two sidebar.exe.
> The 32 bit is version 6.1.7600.16385, 1.40 MB (1,475,072 bytes)
> The address of the start of the string in the 32 bit version
> is 0x000AC534.
>
> The 64 bit is same version number, 1.11 MB (1,173,504 bytes)
> The address of the start of the string is 0x00005F1C.
>
> I'm using Hexworkshop but Hexedit gives the same results.
> http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~prewett/hexedit/
>

Ahh, got it. I'm running the x64 version of Win7 also, but I only have
one sidebar.exe. 6.1.7600.16385, 1,475,072. The string is right were you
said it would be.

So, anyhow, I changed it to write to Wun instead of Run, and it quite
happily does so, which prevents it from auto-starting. Problem solved,
thank you very much!!
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:hjdemh$pet$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:hjd0ek$rqp$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank <fab@scu.kma> wrote in news:4b59f352@news.x-privat.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I run the sidebar (sidebar.exe), it adds itself into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registry so that it auto runs at the next windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup. How can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I run it when I want, but stop it from making itself autorun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everytime I run it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW I want to run it when I feel like it, but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make itself autorun. How to do this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not just right click on your desktop/view/show desktop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gadgets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and take the tick off "show desktop gadgets" when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could, but that really isn't what I want. Control, man,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> control. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to control when it runs, not have it tell me it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to run
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at startup whether I want it to or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You've got the wrong operating system if you want control.
>>>>>>>>>>>> MS doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> do relinquishing control of Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't an OS issue, it's an application issue. Usually,
>>>>>>>>>>> such programs allow you to choose whether they run at
>>>>>>>>>>> startup. For reasons known only to Microsoft, sidebar doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> give you that choice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> cody, aka alias, is a known MS hating linturd troll. He
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have Windows 7 so he knows nothing at all about it so
>>>>>>>>>> obviously, pay no attention to the stupid troll.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can easily solve your "control" issue with sidebar.exe by
>>>>>>>>>> swapping the Windows 7 version of the sidebar.exe files with
>>>>>>>>>> the Vista version.
>>>>>>>>>> The Vista version is the original gadget version whereas the
>>>>>>>>>> Windows 7 version are handled just like desktop icons, as
>>>>>>>>>> you've noticed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You'll need to take control of the W 7 files to do the swap
>>>>>>>>>> and can do that with this handy little take ownership reg hack
>>>>>>>>>> at:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/499870-vista-tips-tricks-tweaks/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Vista gadget setup will allow you to control gadget
>>>>>>>>>> startup and will place an icon in your taskbar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hacking usually is the way MS products can be controlled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Open msconfig from the runbox.
>>>>>>>> Go to the startup tab.
>>>>>>>> uncheck sidebar.exe
>>>>>>>> close msconfig.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to restart sidebar just type it into the runbox.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How user unfriendly can MS get?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't have nor use 7
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes I do.
>>>>>
>>>>>> so why do you care?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like the Sidebar loading automatically either, obviously
>>>>>
>>>> You don't have Windows 7 so you don't have any sidebar to worry about!
>>>> Oops!...LOL!
>>>
>>> And your proof other than your twisted imagination is?
>>>
>> Your daily dissing of a product you don't even have!
>> Oops!
>
> I do have it and you can't prove otherwise.
>
You don't need me to prove you are a liar as you're doing an excellent
job all by yourself!
Oops!...LOL!
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:hjd0ek$rqp$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Frank <fab@scu.kma> wrote in news:4b59f352@news.x-privat.org:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Zootal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> If I run the sidebar (sidebar.exe), it adds itself into the
>>>>>>>>>>>> registry so that it auto runs at the next windows startup.
>>>>>>>>>>>> How can
>>>>>>>>>>>> I run it when I want, but stop it from making itself autorun
>>>>>>>>>>>> everytime I run it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW I want to run it when I feel like it, but I don't want
>>>>>>>>>>>> it to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make itself autorun. How to do this?
>>>>>>>>>>> Why not just right click on your desktop/view/show desktop
>>>>>>>>>>> gadgets
>>>>>>>>>>> and take the tick off "show desktop gadgets" when you don't
>>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>>> view them?
>>>>>>>>>> I could, but that really isn't what I want. Control, man,
>>>>>>>>>> control. I
>>>>>>>>>> want to control when it runs, not have it tell me it is going
>>>>>>>>>> to run
>>>>>>>>>> at startup whether I want it to or not.
>>>>>>>>> You've got the wrong operating system if you want control. MS
>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>> do relinquishing control of Windows.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This isn't an OS issue, it's an application issue. Usually, such
>>>>>>>> programs allow you to choose whether they run at startup. For
>>>>>>>> reasons known only to Microsoft, sidebar doesn't give you that
>>>>>>>> choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's just another way Microsoft keeps tabs on you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> How would you know? You've just a stupid uninformed, ill informed
>>>>>> lying linux troll.
>>>>>> Why is an idiot troll like you even in here huh?
>>>>>> Oh I almost forgot what you said a few days ago...you're here to
>>>>>> make this ng unusable.
>>>>>> Forget it cody...you're even too stupid to do that!
>>>>>> Oops!
>>>>>
>>>>> The above is Frank thinking that he's "kicking my ass all over the
>>>>> ng". LOL! What a lamer.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for proving my point cody...you MS hating lying linturd troll.
>>>
>>> Yep, that's what Frank the Wank thinks. So funny and pathetically sad
>>> at the same time!
>>>
>> Sorry cody, but you've completely destroyed your image as a truth
>> telling, caring individual, long ago.
>> And you did it to yourself, and all by your little self.
>> How wonderful!
>
> Your opinion and therefore completely invalid.
>
Need a lesson in grammar cody?...Hahahaha!
What a stupid asshole lying linturd troll you are!
 
D

Dave-UK

Flightless Bird
"Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message this point I moved on to other projects
because I
>> I wanted to add sidebar to this list, which is when I
>>> discovered the it automatically makes itself auto start each time you
>>> run it. (programmers that pull stunts like that need to have their
>>> fingers broken so they don't do things like that anymnore).
>>
>>
>> Sorry, I forgot I'm running x64 so I've got two sidebar.exe.
>> The 32 bit is version 6.1.7600.16385, 1.40 MB (1,475,072 bytes)
>> The address of the start of the string in the 32 bit version
>> is 0x000AC534.
>>
>> The 64 bit is same version number, 1.11 MB (1,173,504 bytes)
>> The address of the start of the string is 0x00005F1C.
>>
>> I'm using Hexworkshop but Hexedit gives the same results.
>> http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~prewett/hexedit/
>>
>
> Ahh, got it. I'm running the x64 version of Win7 also, but I only have
> one sidebar.exe. 6.1.7600.16385, 1,475,072. The string is right were you
> said it would be.
>
> So, anyhow, I changed it to write to Wun instead of Run, and it quite
> happily does so, which prevents it from auto-starting. Problem solved,
> thank you very much!!

The way it seeds itself at every run reminds me of malware!
 
Z

Zootal

Flightless Bird
>> Ahh, got it. I'm running the x64 version of Win7 also, but I only
>> have one sidebar.exe. 6.1.7600.16385, 1,475,072. The string is right
>> were you said it would be.
>>
>> So, anyhow, I changed it to write to Wun instead of Run, and it quite
>> happily does so, which prevents it from auto-starting. Problem
>> solved, thank you very much!!
>
> The way it seeds itself at every run reminds me of malware!
>

meh - very poor mannered at the least. I would go so far as to call it a
really stupid design - to enforce auto startup without giving the user a
choice. But then, this is the Microsoft mentality - let us think for you
and tell you what you really want.
 
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