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How to stop IE8 too automatically login into my email?

A

Andy

Flightless Bird
When I was using previous versions of IE with XP and Vista I was making the
Yahoo email login my start page and opening the IE was taking me to the Yahoo
email login.
After loging into one of my Yahoo email accounts I was opening a new
instance of IE and it was showing the Yahoo email login page again, so, I
could login to my another email account and switch between the email accounts
simply by clicking on different open instances of the IE.
Now, with the IE8 when opened it is already loged in to an account I was
loged in before, and every instance of IE8 opens loged in to the same
account, so, I have to logout from one account and login to another.
What settings should I change in order to use IE8 like I was using my
previous versions of IE before?
Thank you.
 
D

Dan

Flightless Bird
"Andy" <Andy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4F955723-6FF5-4B83-928F-8CE2A20598D2@microsoft.com...
> When I was using previous versions of IE with XP and Vista I was making
> the
> Yahoo email login my start page and opening the IE was taking me to the
> Yahoo
> email login.
> After loging into one of my Yahoo email accounts I was opening a new
> instance of IE and it was showing the Yahoo email login page again, so, I
> could login to my another email account and switch between the email
> accounts
> simply by clicking on different open instances of the IE.
> Now, with the IE8 when opened it is already loged in to an account I was
> loged in before, and every instance of IE8 opens loged in to the same
> account, so, I have to logout from one account and login to another.
> What settings should I change in order to use IE8 like I was using my
> previous versions of IE before?
> Thank you.


IE8 defaults to sharing the session between all open windows. To open a new
window that doesn't share the current session data use the File > New
Session menu option.

--
Dan
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
IE File | New session

Session Cookies, sessionStorage, and IE8 or “How can I log into two webmail
accounts at the same time?â€
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/05/06/session-cookies-sessionstorage-and-ie8.aspx
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


Andy wrote:
> When I was using previous versions of IE with XP and Vista I was making
> the
> Yahoo email login my start page and opening the IE was taking me to the
> Yahoo email login.
> After loging into one of my Yahoo email accounts I was opening a new
> instance of IE and it was showing the Yahoo email login page again, so, I
> could login to my another email account and switch between the email
> accounts simply by clicking on different open instances of the IE.
> Now, with the IE8 when opened it is already loged in to an account I was
> loged in before, and every instance of IE8 opens loged in to the same
> account, so, I have to logout from one account and login to another.
> What settings should I change in order to use IE8 like I was using my
> previous versions of IE before?
> Thank you.
 
V

VanguardLH

Flightless Bird
Andy wrote:

> When I was using previous versions of IE with XP and Vista I was making the
> Yahoo email login my start page and opening the IE was taking me to the Yahoo
> email login.
> After loging into one of my Yahoo email accounts I was opening a new
> instance of IE and it was showing the Yahoo email login page again, so, I
> could login to my another email account and switch between the email accounts
> simply by clicking on different open instances of the IE.
> Now, with the IE8 when opened it is already loged in to an account I was
> loged in before, and every instance of IE8 opens loged in to the same
> account, so, I have to logout from one account and login to another.
> What settings should I change in order to use IE8 like I was using my
> previous versions of IE before?
> Thank you.


You have to load a new instance of the web browser to ensure isolation of
sessions IDs between them. Running child browser windows or using tabbed
browsing will result in session ID collisions amongst them. In general,
tabbed browsers do not create new instances of the web browser process to
isolate their session IDs. The session ID collision problem exists in any
web browser that does not load a separate process for each child window or
tab. It is possible to put the session ID in the URL but that is a
potential security hazard.

To have multiple concurrent logins to a web application, load a NEW instance
of the web browser (do not just have an existing instance open another
window or tab). In IE8, use the "File -> New Session" menu, or run
"iexplore.exe -nomerge" at a command prompt or in a shortcut. Also read:

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/06/06/session-cookies-sessionstorage-and-ie8.aspx
http://www.google.com/search?q=+"session+id"++collision++cookie

The problem noted above involves session ID collisions when using cookies to
identify the sessions. The following regarding the use of an instance-id in
the URL is from Daniel Crichton (with some rephrashing). Rather than use a
session ID in a cookie or in the URL, you could include an "instance id" and
use this to differentiate between the multiple concurrent logins to the same
web application. For example, assume you're using IIS and ASP/ASP.NET
sessions (which uses a known named cookie to identify to the server as to
which session is linked to a server-side object that holds the session
collection information), you would use the instance-id plus the session-id;
however, that requires changing the entire session handling system in your
server code since it has to take into account the inclusion of an
instance-id. For example:

Session("username")

would become:

Session("username_" & instanceid)

where instance-id is the value passed in the URL.

The session ID collisions are a problem for web applications that permit
multiple concurrent connections by the same user. While this may be a
convenience to the user, the server cannot differentiate the sessions unless
a new instance of the web browser is used (that then manages its own session
IDs). Unless a further means is incorporated into the server code to
differentiate between separate but concurrent multiple logins, the server
should not permit multiple concurrent connections from the same IP to the
web application. That is, only one connection per IP address would be
allowed.

Many servers impose a limit (of one) regarding concurrent connections by the
same IP address to eliminate the possibility of session ID collisions or for
security concerns (like spoofing/intercepting a login session). If you open
another tab or child window, the server may assume you simply wanted to use
the same session over there, or it may reject another connection attempt.
For example, some e-mail providers allow a login from only one instance of
an IP address. You cannot login using their webmail interface and also poll
the same account using a local e-mail client while doing both from the same
host.
 
A

Andy

Flightless Bird
I know that opening another tab in the same instance will end up with
assuming all the logins, I do NOT use tabs, I open a new instance (click on
start IE again).
It's not just a connection between the open instances, even after a reboot
when I open IE it signes in automatically (of course, I do not click Remember
Login at the initial login).
If you have Vista or XP running just try what I described and you'll see
that it works perfectly, but on IE8 in W7 it starts these weird things.
I am sure it is very easy to change somewhere in the settings, I just
can't imagine where, so, if you can think of where please let me know.
Thank you.
 
A

Andy

Flightless Bird
Yes, just like the link you provided, but in it I have to click the New
Session, and in the previous versions IE was working like that by default,
so, I was wondering if there is a way to adjust the settings to make IE8 work
like the previous versions of IE.
Thank you

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> IE File | New session
>
> Session Cookies, sessionStorage, and IE8 or “How can I log into two webmail
> accounts at the same time?â€
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/05/06/session-cookies-sessionstorage-and-ie8.aspx
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>
>
> Andy wrote:
> > When I was using previous versions of IE with XP and Vista I was making
> > the
> > Yahoo email login my start page and opening the IE was taking me to the
> > Yahoo email login.
> > After loging into one of my Yahoo email accounts I was opening a new
> > instance of IE and it was showing the Yahoo email login page again, so, I
> > could login to my another email account and switch between the email
> > accounts simply by clicking on different open instances of the IE.
> > Now, with the IE8 when opened it is already loged in to an account I was
> > loged in before, and every instance of IE8 opens loged in to the same
> > account, so, I have to logout from one account and login to another.
> > What settings should I change in order to use IE8 like I was using my
> > previous versions of IE before?
> > Thank you.

>
> .
>
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
The functionality was introduced in IE8 as a security measure, Andy.

Andy wrote:
> Yes, just like the link you provided, but in it I have to click the New
> Session, and in the previous versions IE was working like that by default,
> so, I was wondering if there is a way to adjust the settings to make IE8
> work like the previous versions of IE.
> Thank you
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> IE File | New session
>>
>> Session Cookies, sessionStorage, and IE8 or “How can I log into two
>> webmail
>> accounts at the same time?â€
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/05/06/session-cookies-sessionstorage-and-ie8.aspx
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>>
>>
>> Andy wrote:
>>> When I was using previous versions of IE with XP and Vista I was making
>>> the
>>> Yahoo email login my start page and opening the IE was taking me to the
>>> Yahoo email login.
>>> After loging into one of my Yahoo email accounts I was opening a new
>>> instance of IE and it was showing the Yahoo email login page again, so,
>>> I
>>> could login to my another email account and switch between the email
>>> accounts simply by clicking on different open instances of the IE.
>>> Now, with the IE8 when opened it is already loged in to an account I
>>> was
>>> loged in before, and every instance of IE8 opens loged in to the same
>>> account, so, I have to logout from one account and login to another.
>>> What settings should I change in order to use IE8 like I was using my
>>> previous versions of IE before?
>>> Thank you.

>>
>> .
 
V

VanguardLH

Flightless Bird
Andy wrote:

> I know that opening another tab in the same instance will end up with
> assuming all the logins, I do NOT use tabs, I open a new instance (click on
> start IE again).
> It's not just a connection between the open instances, even after a reboot
> when I open IE it signes in automatically (of course, I do not click Remember
> Login at the initial login).
> If you have Vista or XP running just try what I described and you'll see
> that it works perfectly, but on IE8 in W7 it starts these weird things.
> I am sure it is very easy to change somewhere in the settings, I just
> can't imagine where, so, if you can think of where please let me know.
> Thank you.


Before you said it was when you opened ANOTHER instance of the web browser
that you found yourself automatically logged into your same account. Now
you are claiming that you are automatically logged in on the FIRST instance
of the web browser that you load. Which is it?

Since the problem doesn't occur with IE8 for you on Windows XP or Windows
Vista but only under Windows 7 then perhaps the folks in the Windows 7
newsgroup might know something specific to that OS version that is causing
the problem.

The Microsoft community for Windows 7 is found at:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/category/w7itpro
 
R

rob^_^

Flightless Bird
Answered at

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Fo...t/thread/d09626ab-c164-4cb6-9161-1d71a18afe1f

Andy... we are volunteers here... for our time and effort I would expect
that you would make a generous donation to a charity of your choice.

As a last resort, and all my other suggestions for you fail to give you
satisfaction I would suggest that you try a SMPT mail application (like
Outlook or Thunderbird) to access your YAHOO mail inboxes and leave your web
browser for surfing and nothing else. This in fact should have been the
first solution that should have been offered to you.

You should contact Yahoo's Answers forum.. answers.yahoo.com for
instructions on setting up your mail client to access their mail services...
as I said we are not Microsoft employees, we are not Yahoo employees. It is
Yahoo's web mail services you are trying to access. We volunteer to support
MSIE, not mail.yahoo.com

Regards.
"Andy" <Andy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6D363828-F8E7-4882-953B-E9977B38263B@microsoft.com...
> I know that opening another tab in the same instance will end up with
> assuming all the logins, I do NOT use tabs, I open a new instance (click
> on
> start IE again).
> It's not just a connection between the open instances, even after a reboot
> when I open IE it signes in automatically (of course, I do not click
> Remember
> Login at the initial login).
> If you have Vista or XP running just try what I described and you'll see
> that it works perfectly, but on IE8 in W7 it starts these weird things.
> I am sure it is very easy to change somewhere in the settings, I just
> can't imagine where, so, if you can think of where please let me know.
> Thank you.
 
A

Andy

Flightless Bird
Folks, I am sorry about being not clear about what I am asking, but I should
have simply asked: how to make the browser not to login to a mail
automatically? That's it!
Never mind that the second or third instance is being loged in, the FIRST
open instance is loged in, that's the point! Even after a reboot. It simply
remembers the login as if I clicked at the mail's login page Remember Login
(which I don't).
It happens only with IE8, all the previous versions of IE show the mail
login page. The IE8 shows inside email right away, simply passing the ;ogin
page alltogether.
So, I believe somewhere in the settings should be an option to act or not
to act on the saved cookies (or something like that).
Thank you.
 
V

VanguardLH

Flightless Bird
Andy wrote:

> Folks, I am sorry about being not clear about what I am asking, but I should
> have simply asked: how to make the browser not to login to a mail
> automatically? That's it!
> Never mind that the second or third instance is being loged in, the FIRST
> open instance is loged in, that's the point! Even after a reboot. It simply
> remembers the login as if I clicked at the mail's login page Remember Login
> (which I don't).
> It happens only with IE8, all the previous versions of IE show the mail
> login page. The IE8 shows inside email right away, simply passing the ;ogin
> page alltogether.
> So, I believe somewhere in the settings should be an option to act or not
> to act on the saved cookies (or something like that).
> Thank you.


Then the problem is probably that you configured IE8 to delete your history
(which can include cookies, if selected) but left the Preserve option
enabled.

Internet Options -> General tab -> Browsing history section

Is the "Delete browsing history on exit" option enabled?

Click on the Settings button. What are the options there that are enabled?
If you have IE8 delete cookies then it will delete them when you exit IE8;
however ...

If you have the Preserve option enabled, the history deletes (for whatever
categories you enabled, like cookies) will NOT be applied to domains that
are in your Favorites list. That is, browsing history for sites in your
Favorites list will not be deleted if the Preserve option is enabled. Look
at the descriptive text under the Preserve option.

So if you have Yahoo listed in your Favorites, and if you have the Preserve
option enabled, then cookies for your favorite site (Yahoo) will not get
deleted when you exit IE8. So it's up to you if you want to keep cookies
and TIF files for your favorites sites around after you exit IE8.
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Delete Cookies.

Andy wrote:
> Folks, I am sorry about being not clear about what I am asking, but I
> should
> have simply asked: how to make the browser not to login to a mail
> automatically? That's it!
> Never mind that the second or third instance is being loged in, the
> FIRST
> open instance is loged in, that's the point! Even after a reboot. It
> simply
> remembers the login as if I clicked at the mail's login page Remember
> Login
> (which I don't).
> It happens only with IE8, all the previous versions of IE show the mail
> login page. The IE8 shows inside email right away, simply passing the
> ;ogin
> page alltogether.
> So, I believe somewhere in the settings should be an option to act or
> not
> to act on the saved cookies (or something like that).
> Thank you.
 
A

Andy

Flightless Bird
Yes, it will take care of it, but then I'd have to do it every time I use IE,
but in previous versions it was not needed to be done.
There is something in the default settings of IE8...

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Delete Cookies.
 
A

Andy

Flightless Bird
VanguardLH thank you! BUT!!!

VanguardLH thank you so much for a good advice! The Delete Browsing History
On Exit button was not in the previous versions of IE where it is now, so, I
was sure that I found the settings I was looking for! And when I clicked on
it the first instances of the browser started showing the Login page. I
thought this was it! BUT...
... it was not. Now, with that check mark on only the first instances are
showing the login page and all the other ones show the mail inside (loggesd
in already). Just the way I described it before. So, it is not exactly the
cookies deletion on exit, it is some other settings that are different in IE
by default.
(By the way, I do not have Yahoo stored in favorites)
AND, in IE7 when I go to Hotmail login which was previously checked as
Remember Me it does remember the email I was last loged in on Hotmail, but
with that The Delete Browsing History On Exit option checked it does not
remember it anymore (naturally). So, there are some other settings are
different by default in IE8 and I have to find them. Please let me know if
you have a suggestion.
Thank you.
 
A

Andy

Flightless Bird
VanguardLH thank you

VanguardLH thank you so much for a good advice! The Delete Browsing History
On Exit button was not in the previous versions of IE where it is now, so, I
was sure that I found the settings I was looking for! And when I clicked on
it the first instances of the browser started showing the Login page. I
thought this was it! BUT...
... it was not. Now, with that check mark on only the first instances are
showing the login page and all the other ones show the mail inside (loggesd
in already). Just the way I described it before. So, it is not exactly the
cookies deletion on exit, it is some other settings that are different in IE
by default.
(By the way, I do not have Yahoo stored in favorites)
AND, in IE7 when I go to Hotmail login which was previously checked as
Remember Me it does remember the email I was last loged in on Hotmail, but
with that The Delete Browsing History On Exit option checked it does not
remember it anymore (naturally). So, there are some other settings are
different by default in IE8 and I have to find them. Please let me know if
you have a suggestion.
Thank you.
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Not if you disallow cookies for the site.

If you want the functionality of your previous IE version, uninstall IE8.


Andy wrote:
> Yes, it will take care of it, but then I'd have to do it every time I use
> IE, but in previous versions it was not needed to be done.
 
A

Andy

Flightless Bird
I am sure that IE8 as a newer version has its advantages, the question is how
to switch its settings to the way they were in IE7, IE6, etc.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Not if you disallow cookies for the site.
>
> If you want the functionality of your previous IE version, uninstall IE8.
 
V

VanguardLH

Flightless Bird
Re: VanguardLH thank you

Andy wrote:

> VanguardLH thank you so much for a good advice! The Delete Browsing History
> On Exit button was not in the previous versions of IE where it is now, so, I
> was sure that I found the settings I was looking for! And when I clicked on
> it the first instances of the browser started showing the Login page. I
> thought this was it! BUT...


Test with:

- Delete browsing history on exit = enabled
- Delete settings:
o Cookie deletion = enabled
o Preserve option = DISABLED

Be sure to close ALL instances of IE8 (use Task Manager's Proceses tab to
verify there are no occurrences of iexplore.exe). Then load an instance of
IE8 and see if you are prompted to login. Then don't bother logging out but
just close IE8 (and again use Task Manager to check there are no remnant
instances of iexplore.exe). Load a fresh and only instance of IE8 and check
if you are automatically logged in or have to enter your login credentials.

> ... it was not. Now, with that check mark on only the first instances are
> showing the login page and all the other ones show the mail inside (loggesd
> in already). Just the way I described it before. So, it is not exactly the
> cookies deletion on exit, it is some other settings that are different in IE
> by default.


Which brings us back to the session ID problem already reported in prior
replies which told you that you must start a new and independent session of
IE8 (File -> New Session).

> AND, in IE7 when I go to Hotmail login which was previously checked as
> Remember Me it does remember the email I was last loged in on Hotmail, but
> with that The Delete Browsing History On Exit option checked it does not
> remember it anymore (naturally). So, there are some other settings are
> different by default in IE8 and I have to find them. Please let me know if
> you have a suggestion.
> Thank you.


In IE7, you enabled the Advanced option to delete the TIF folder on exit
from IE7. It usually worked but not always. In IE8, and if you enable the
"Delete browsing history on exit option", that advanced option to empty the
TIF on exit becomes disabled (because the delete browsing option overrides
it). In IE7, and with the advanced option to empty the TIF on exit enabled,
the cookies that were saved for Hotmail got deleted so you had to login next
time. If that option was disabled, the cookie for Hotmail remained so you
got automatically logged in next time. If you use IE8's delete browsing on
exit option, and you configure it to delete cookies, well, then all those
Hotmail cookies are gone when you exit IE8 (unless you have the Preserve
option enabled and that site is in your Favorites list).

With IE8 configured to delete the browsing history on exit, with cookies
enabled to get included in that cleanup, and with the Preserve option NOT
enabled, open IE8, login into Hotmail, and simply close IE8 (don't bother to
first logout of Hotmail). Then go into the TIF folder and see what files
got left behind. Any .txt cookie files with the msn, live, or hotmail
domain still found there?

Files cannot be deleted if they are inuse. It is possible you have software
that is using those cookies (has them open with a handle on them so they are
inuse). That could be a cookie manager, security software (anti-virus,
anti-malware, privacy, etc) with cookie management, or some utility that
cleans up cookies but has a whitelist of some to keep.
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
You cannot disable the security enhancement in question in IE8.

You can disallow cookies in IE8 just like you do in IE7 and IE6, via Tools |
Internet Options | Privacy | Sites.


Andy wrote:
> I am sure that IE8 as a newer version has its advantages, the question is
> how to switch its settings to the way they were in IE7, IE6, etc.
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Not if you disallow cookies for the site.
>>
>> If you want the functionality of your previous IE version, uninstall IE8.
 
G

G. R. Woodring

Flightless Bird
Date: 3/13/2010 4:02 PM, Author: Andy Wrote:
> Folks, I am sorry about being not clear about what I am asking, but I should
> have simply asked: how to make the browser not to login to a mail
> automatically? That's it!
> Never mind that the second or third instance is being loged in, the FIRST
> open instance is loged in, that's the point! Even after a reboot. It simply
> remembers the login as if I clicked at the mail's login page Remember Login
> (which I don't).
> It happens only with IE8, all the previous versions of IE show the mail
> login page. The IE8 shows inside email right away, simply passing the ;ogin
> page alltogether.
> So, I believe somewhere in the settings should be an option to act or not
> to act on the saved cookies (or something like that).
> Thank you.


IE does not "act" on cookies, that is up to the web site that sets and reads them.
IE can only refuse them or delete them according to your settings or actions.

The Yahoo mail has an option to keep you logged in for up to two weeks if you don't
log out. Are you logging out when you leave the site? To change the interval you
need to change to the "Classic" interface and select "Options". The "Account"
setting is broke in both the All-New and Classic menus but the Classic has "Account
Info" which works. The only options on the dropdown for me were "two weeks" and
"day". The Yahoo mail pages states that they started keeping users logged in in
response to user requests, maybe they instituted the changes about the time you
installed IE8.

--
G. R. Woodring
 
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