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How much space does System Image require?

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Jeff Layman, Feb 4, 2010.

  1. Jeff Layman

    Jeff Layman Flightless Bird

    I just tried to do a System Image for the first time of my Home Premium
    64-bit laptop to an external USB2 HD (which I have used with for several
    years with Acronis TrueImage for my XPH desktop PC). The external HD had
    60Gb free space. The laptop HD (320Gb total) has a C: partition with 38Gb
    used and a D: partition (recovery) with 10.5Gb used.

    After nearly 2 hours(!) the system image stopped with a message that there
    wasn't enough space on the backup disk, and that to free up space I could
    delete a previous backup. It identified the current backup I was doing as a
    possible previous backup, and reported it had taken 17.8Gb of the external
    drive disk space. (Interesting - 2 hours to write less than 18Gb. Acronis
    TI takes less than an hour for a 25Gb image of my XPH disk.)

    What is going on here? There is ample free space on the external HD (nearly
    12Gb) to take all the image, but Win7 can't see it. And why attempt the
    image in the first place and waste 2 hours if it believes there isn't enough
    disk space? Can't it ascertain that before the System Image backup starts?

    --

    Jeff
     
  2. JimBob

    JimBob Flightless Bird

    "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hke86e$41q$1@news.albasani.net...
    > I just tried to do a System Image for the first time of my Home Premium
    > 64-bit laptop to an external USB2 HD (which I have used with for several
    > years with Acronis TrueImage for my XPH desktop PC). The external HD had
    > 60Gb free space. The laptop HD (320Gb total) has a C: partition with 38Gb
    > used and a D: partition (recovery) with 10.5Gb used.
    >
    > After nearly 2 hours(!) the system image stopped with a message that there
    > wasn't enough space on the backup disk, and that to free up space I could
    > delete a previous backup. It identified the current backup I was doing as
    > a possible previous backup, and reported it had taken 17.8Gb of the
    > external drive disk space. (Interesting - 2 hours to write less than
    > 18Gb. Acronis TI takes less than an hour for a 25Gb image of my XPH
    > disk.)
    >
    > What is going on here? There is ample free space on the external HD
    > (nearly 12Gb) to take all the image, but Win7 can't see it. And why
    > attempt the image in the first place and waste 2 hours if it believes
    > there isn't enough disk space? Can't it ascertain that before the System
    > Image backup starts?
    >
    > --
    >
    > Jeff


    Hi Jeff,
    I'm sorry I can't answer your problem but I can tell you I'm using Home
    Premium 32bit and back up to my D drive. The size of the image and files
    backed up is approx 12GB and takes less than 5 minutes to complete. When I
    have had to put the image back that process also took less than 5 minutes
    and works just fine. I think you might investigate why Win 7 can't see your
    external HD. You might also double check where you are telling the program
    to place the backup.
     
  3. Ophelia

    Ophelia Flightless Bird

    "JimBob" <user@home.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hkeeft$hl9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >
    > "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:hke86e$41q$1@news.albasani.net...
    >> I just tried to do a System Image for the first time of my Home Premium
    >> 64-bit laptop to an external USB2 HD (which I have used with for several
    >> years with Acronis TrueImage for my XPH desktop PC). The external HD had
    >> 60Gb free space. The laptop HD (320Gb total) has a C: partition with
    >> 38Gb used and a D: partition (recovery) with 10.5Gb used.
    >>
    >> After nearly 2 hours(!) the system image stopped with a message that
    >> there wasn't enough space on the backup disk, and that to free up space I
    >> could delete a previous backup. It identified the current backup I was
    >> doing as a possible previous backup, and reported it had taken 17.8Gb of
    >> the external drive disk space. (Interesting - 2 hours to write less than
    >> 18Gb. Acronis TI takes less than an hour for a 25Gb image of my XPH
    >> disk.)
    >>
    >> What is going on here? There is ample free space on the external HD
    >> (nearly 12Gb) to take all the image, but Win7 can't see it. And why
    >> attempt the image in the first place and waste 2 hours if it believes
    >> there isn't enough disk space? Can't it ascertain that before the System
    >> Image backup starts?
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> Jeff

    >
    > Hi Jeff,
    > I'm sorry I can't answer your problem but I can tell you I'm using Home
    > Premium 32bit and back up to my D drive. The size of the image and files
    > backed up is approx 12GB and takes less than 5 minutes to complete. When I
    > have had to put the image back that process also took less than 5 minutes
    > and works just fine. I think you might investigate why Win 7 can't see
    > your external HD. You might also double check where you are telling the
    > program to place the backup.


    Yes. I did what Jeff did and copied it onto my external drive, and it was
    fairly fast. I didn't have any problems at all.
    --
    --
    https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
     
  4. Jeff Layman

    Jeff Layman Flightless Bird

    "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
    news:7svt94FcprU1@mid.individual.net...
    >
    >
    > "JimBob" <user@home.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:hkeeft$hl9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>
    >> "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:hke86e$41q$1@news.albasani.net...
    >>> I just tried to do a System Image for the first time of my Home Premium
    >>> 64-bit laptop to an external USB2 HD (which I have used with for several
    >>> years with Acronis TrueImage for my XPH desktop PC). The external HD
    >>> had 60Gb free space. The laptop HD (320Gb total) has a C: partition
    >>> with 38Gb used and a D: partition (recovery) with 10.5Gb used.
    >>>
    >>> After nearly 2 hours(!) the system image stopped with a message that
    >>> there wasn't enough space on the backup disk, and that to free up space
    >>> I could delete a previous backup. It identified the current backup I
    >>> was doing as a possible previous backup, and reported it had taken
    >>> 17.8Gb of the external drive disk space. (Interesting - 2 hours to
    >>> write less than 18Gb. Acronis TI takes less than an hour for a 25Gb
    >>> image of my XPH disk.)
    >>>
    >>> What is going on here? There is ample free space on the external HD
    >>> (nearly 12Gb) to take all the image, but Win7 can't see it. And why
    >>> attempt the image in the first place and waste 2 hours if it believes
    >>> there isn't enough disk space? Can't it ascertain that before the System
    >>> Image backup starts?
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>>
    >>> Jeff

    >>
    >> Hi Jeff,
    >> I'm sorry I can't answer your problem but I can tell you I'm using Home
    >> Premium 32bit and back up to my D drive. The size of the image and files
    >> backed up is approx 12GB and takes less than 5 minutes to complete. When
    >> I have had to put the image back that process also took less than 5
    >> minutes and works just fine. I think you might investigate why Win 7
    >> can't see your external HD. You might also double check where you are
    >> telling the program to place the backup.

    >
    > Yes. I did what Jeff did and copied it onto my external drive, and it was
    > fairly fast. I didn't have any problems at all.


    Was that with Home Premium 64-bit too?

    --

    Jeff
     
  5. Ophelia

    Ophelia Flightless Bird

    "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hkeiqt$lrr$1@news.albasani.net...
    >
    > "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
    > news:7svt94FcprU1@mid.individual.net...
    >>
    >>
    >> "JimBob" <user@home.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:hkeeft$hl9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>
    >>> "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:hke86e$41q$1@news.albasani.net...
    >>>> I just tried to do a System Image for the first time of my Home Premium
    >>>> 64-bit laptop to an external USB2 HD (which I have used with for
    >>>> several years with Acronis TrueImage for my XPH desktop PC). The
    >>>> external HD had 60Gb free space. The laptop HD (320Gb total) has a C:
    >>>> partition with 38Gb used and a D: partition (recovery) with 10.5Gb
    >>>> used.
    >>>>
    >>>> After nearly 2 hours(!) the system image stopped with a message that
    >>>> there wasn't enough space on the backup disk, and that to free up space
    >>>> I could delete a previous backup. It identified the current backup I
    >>>> was doing as a possible previous backup, and reported it had taken
    >>>> 17.8Gb of the external drive disk space. (Interesting - 2 hours to
    >>>> write less than 18Gb. Acronis TI takes less than an hour for a 25Gb
    >>>> image of my XPH disk.)
    >>>>
    >>>> What is going on here? There is ample free space on the external HD
    >>>> (nearly 12Gb) to take all the image, but Win7 can't see it. And why
    >>>> attempt the image in the first place and waste 2 hours if it believes
    >>>> there isn't enough disk space? Can't it ascertain that before the
    >>>> System Image backup starts?
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>>
    >>>> Jeff
    >>>
    >>> Hi Jeff,
    >>> I'm sorry I can't answer your problem but I can tell you I'm using Home
    >>> Premium 32bit and back up to my D drive. The size of the image and files
    >>> backed up is approx 12GB and takes less than 5 minutes to complete. When
    >>> I have had to put the image back that process also took less than 5
    >>> minutes and works just fine. I think you might investigate why Win 7
    >>> can't see your external HD. You might also double check where you are
    >>> telling the program to place the backup.

    >>
    >> Yes. I did what Jeff did and copied it onto my external drive, and it
    >> was fairly fast. I didn't have any problems at all.

    >
    > Was that with Home Premium 64-bit too?


    Yes it was, Jeff. My external hd is a Maxtor 1.5tb. It is partitioned and
    I hit the same problem as you with one partition, but it didn't take that
    long to tell me. Once I selected the right partition it worked no problem
    at all.
    --
    --
    https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
     
  6. Jeff Layman

    Jeff Layman Flightless Bird

    "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
    news:7t01ndF6imU1@mid.individual.net...
    >
    >
    > "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:hkeiqt$lrr$1@news.albasani.net...
    >>
    >> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
    >> news:7svt94FcprU1@mid.individual.net...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "JimBob" <user@home.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:hkeeft$hl9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>>
    >>>> "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:hke86e$41q$1@news.albasani.net...
    >>>>> I just tried to do a System Image for the first time of my Home
    >>>>> Premium 64-bit laptop to an external USB2 HD (which I have used with
    >>>>> for several years with Acronis TrueImage for my XPH desktop PC). The
    >>>>> external HD had 60Gb free space. The laptop HD (320Gb total) has a C:
    >>>>> partition with 38Gb used and a D: partition (recovery) with 10.5Gb
    >>>>> used.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> After nearly 2 hours(!) the system image stopped with a message that
    >>>>> there wasn't enough space on the backup disk, and that to free up
    >>>>> space I could delete a previous backup. It identified the current
    >>>>> backup I was doing as a possible previous backup, and reported it had
    >>>>> taken 17.8Gb of the external drive disk space. (Interesting - 2 hours
    >>>>> to write less than 18Gb. Acronis TI takes less than an hour for a
    >>>>> 25Gb image of my XPH disk.)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> What is going on here? There is ample free space on the external HD
    >>>>> (nearly 12Gb) to take all the image, but Win7 can't see it. And why
    >>>>> attempt the image in the first place and waste 2 hours if it believes
    >>>>> there isn't enough disk space? Can't it ascertain that before the
    >>>>> System Image backup starts?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> --
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Jeff


    >>>
    >>> Yes. I did what Jeff did and copied it onto my external drive, and it
    >>> was fairly fast. I didn't have any problems at all.

    >>
    >> Was that with Home Premium 64-bit too?

    >
    > Yes it was, Jeff. My external hd is a Maxtor 1.5tb. It is partitioned
    > and I hit the same problem as you with one partition, but it didn't take
    > that long to tell me. Once I selected the right partition it worked no
    > problem at all.
    > --
    >


    Thanks. I've found the answer, and Microsoft have excelled themselves with
    idiocy this time! This is from the Help and Support info on backup:

    "By default, Windows automatically saves as many system images as it has
    space for without taking up more than 30 percent of space on the backup
    disk. Once the disk starts running out of room, Windows deletes older system
    images. You can set Windows to retain as many system images as it has space
    for on the backup disk or to only keep the most recent system image."

    So, with about 18Gb being 30% of the remaining disk space (60Gb) on my
    external HD, that's why the backup stopped. Interestingly, on trying to do
    the backup again, it now tells me it doesn't have enough space before I try
    to backup! It probably also explains why you couldn't backup to one of the
    partitions on your hard disk - it was probably a small partition which had
    less than 30% of the proposed backup size available.

    So in Microsoft's view no backup is better than a full disk with at least
    one backup on it. I'm sure someone can explain Microsoft's logic on this (as
    soon as their medication wears off...).

    --

    Jeff
     
  7. Ophelia

    Ophelia Flightless Bird

    "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hkenn7$ucf$1@news.albasani.net...
    >>> Was that with Home Premium 64-bit too?

    >>
    >> Yes it was, Jeff. My external hd is a Maxtor 1.5tb. It is partitioned
    >> and I hit the same problem as you with one partition, but it didn't take
    >> that long to tell me. Once I selected the right partition it worked no
    >> problem at all.
    >> --
    >>

    >
    > Thanks. I've found the answer, and Microsoft have excelled themselves
    > with idiocy this time! This is from the Help and Support info on backup:
    >
    > "By default, Windows automatically saves as many system images as it has
    > space for without taking up more than 30 percent of space on the backup
    > disk. Once the disk starts running out of room, Windows deletes older
    > system images. You can set Windows to retain as many system images as it
    > has space for on the backup disk or to only keep the most recent system
    > image."
    >
    > So, with about 18Gb being 30% of the remaining disk space (60Gb) on my
    > external HD, that's why the backup stopped. Interestingly, on trying to do
    > the backup again, it now tells me it doesn't have enough space before I
    > try to backup! It probably also explains why you couldn't backup to one of
    > the partitions on your hard disk - it was probably a small partition which
    > had less than 30% of the proposed backup size available.
    >
    > So in Microsoft's view no backup is better than a full disk with at least
    > one backup on it. I'm sure someone can explain Microsoft's logic on this
    > (as soon as their medication wears off...).


    duhhh lol !!! Well, at least you have your back up now:) Well done:)

    That was worth knowing too, so thank you!
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  8. Trev

    Trev Flightless Bird

    "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hkenn7$ucf$1@news.albasani.net...
    >
    > "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
    > news:7t01ndF6imU1@mid.individual.net...
    >>
    >>
    >> "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:hkeiqt$lrr$1@news.albasani.net...
    >>>
    >>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
    >>> news:7svt94FcprU1@mid.individual.net...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "JimBob" <user@home.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:hkeeft$hl9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:hke86e$41q$1@news.albasani.net...
    >>>>>> I just tried to do a System Image for the first time of my Home
    >>>>>> Premium 64-bit laptop to an external USB2 HD (which I have used with
    >>>>>> for several years with Acronis TrueImage for my XPH desktop PC). The
    >>>>>> external HD had 60Gb free space. The laptop HD (320Gb total) has a
    >>>>>> C: partition with 38Gb used and a D: partition (recovery) with 10.5Gb
    >>>>>> used.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> After nearly 2 hours(!) the system image stopped with a message that
    >>>>>> there wasn't enough space on the backup disk, and that to free up
    >>>>>> space I could delete a previous backup. It identified the current
    >>>>>> backup I was doing as a possible previous backup, and reported it had
    >>>>>> taken 17.8Gb of the external drive disk space. (Interesting - 2
    >>>>>> hours to write less than 18Gb. Acronis TI takes less than an hour
    >>>>>> for a 25Gb image of my XPH disk.)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> What is going on here? There is ample free space on the external HD
    >>>>>> (nearly 12Gb) to take all the image, but Win7 can't see it. And why
    >>>>>> attempt the image in the first place and waste 2 hours if it believes
    >>>>>> there isn't enough disk space? Can't it ascertain that before the
    >>>>>> System Image backup starts?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> --
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Jeff

    >
    >>>>
    >>>> Yes. I did what Jeff did and copied it onto my external drive, and it
    >>>> was fairly fast. I didn't have any problems at all.
    >>>
    >>> Was that with Home Premium 64-bit too?

    >>
    >> Yes it was, Jeff. My external hd is a Maxtor 1.5tb. It is partitioned
    >> and I hit the same problem as you with one partition, but it didn't take
    >> that long to tell me. Once I selected the right partition it worked no
    >> problem at all.
    >> --
    >>

    >
    > Thanks. I've found the answer, and Microsoft have excelled themselves
    > with idiocy this time! This is from the Help and Support info on backup:
    >
    > "By default, Windows automatically saves as many system images as it has
    > space for without taking up more than 30 percent of space on the backup
    > disk. Once the disk starts running out of room, Windows deletes older
    > system images. You can set Windows to retain as many system images as it
    > has space for on the backup disk or to only keep the most recent system
    > image."
    >
    > So, with about 18Gb being 30% of the remaining disk space (60Gb) on my
    > external HD, that's why the backup stopped. Interestingly, on trying to do
    > the backup again, it now tells me it doesn't have enough space before I
    > try to backup! It probably also explains why you couldn't backup to one of
    > the partitions on your hard disk - it was probably a small partition which
    > had less than 30% of the proposed backup size available.
    >
    > So in Microsoft's view no backup is better than a full disk with at least
    > one backup on it. I'm sure someone can explain Microsoft's logic on this
    > (as soon as their medication wears off...).
    >
    > --
    >
    > Jeff


    You may find Its backed up and created a image disc ready to burn, at the
    same time in that backup folder
     
  9. Jeff Layman

    Jeff Layman Flightless Bird

    "Trev" <trev_uk@hotmail.com invalid> wrote in message
    news:W8mdnWPeEpVZcffWnZ2dnUVZ7qydnZ2d@pipex.net...
    >>>

    >>
    >> Thanks. I've found the answer, and Microsoft have excelled themselves
    >> with idiocy this time! This is from the Help and Support info on backup:
    >>
    >> "By default, Windows automatically saves as many system images as it has
    >> space for without taking up more than 30 percent of space on the backup
    >> disk. Once the disk starts running out of room, Windows deletes older
    >> system images. You can set Windows to retain as many system images as it
    >> has space for on the backup disk or to only keep the most recent system
    >> image."
    >>
    >> So, with about 18Gb being 30% of the remaining disk space (60Gb) on my
    >> external HD, that's why the backup stopped. Interestingly, on trying to
    >> do the backup again, it now tells me it doesn't have enough space before
    >> I try to backup! It probably also explains why you couldn't backup to one
    >> of the partitions on your hard disk - it was probably a small partition
    >> which had less than 30% of the proposed backup size available.
    >>
    >> So in Microsoft's view no backup is better than a full disk with at least
    >> one backup on it. I'm sure someone can explain Microsoft's logic on this
    >> (as soon as their medication wears off...).
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> Jeff

    >
    > You may find Its backed up and created a image disc ready to burn, at the
    > same time in that backup folder


    No *.* file of 5 - 50Gb on the C: drive. The successful backup of a System
    Image only (nothing else off C: and D:) resulted is a backup of 32.2Gb on
    the external HD. AFAICS, the backup program should have thrown that out at
    18Gb like the first attempt.

    --

    Jeff
     

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