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How many *MORE* laws did I break?

J

Justin

Flightless Bird
I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install Windows. So
I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on it for a whole
$5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It works perfectly.
So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from Microsoft?
Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the Microsoft piracy
gulag?
I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Flightless Bird
Justin wrote:
> I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
> upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install
> Windows. So I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on
> it for a whole $5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It
> works perfectly.
> So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from Microsoft?
> Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the Microsoft piracy
> gulag?
> I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.


You bought a computer off eBay. That's as far as anyone should read.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Hope you sold it for $5.01 kos that's what it was worth.

Justin wrote:
> I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
> upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install Windows. So
> I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on it for a whole
> $5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It works perfectly.
> So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from Microsoft?
> Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the Microsoft piracy
> gulag?
> I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.
 
H

Hadron

Flightless Bird
"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> writes:

> Justin wrote:
>> I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
>> upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install
>> Windows. So I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on
>> it for a whole $5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It
>> works perfectly.
>> So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from Microsoft?
>> Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the Microsoft piracy
>> gulag?
>> I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.

>
> You bought a computer off eBay. That's as far as anyone should read.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP


Whats wrong with that? All my Linux laptops were bought off ebay either
with a Windows restore partition or nothing : and I installed debian
either alone or as dual boot with a newly installed XP from the restore
partition.

It's a great way to get hold of something like a 5 year old thinkpad for
next to nothing and which is easily powerful enough to make a solid
Debian workhorse.
 
M

Mark Adams

Flightless Bird
"Justin" wrote:

> I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
> upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install Windows. So
> I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on it for a whole
> $5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It works perfectly.
> So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from Microsoft?
> Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the Microsoft piracy
> gulag?
> I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.
> .
>


<yawn>

Hasn't Microsoft dropped this newsgroup from their servers yet?
 
J

Justin

Flightless Bird
In article <eqDQQzpLLHA.5196@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,
"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote:

> Justin wrote:
> > I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
> > upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install
> > Windows. So I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on
> > it for a whole $5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It
> > works perfectly.
> > So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from Microsoft?
> > Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the Microsoft piracy
> > gulag?
> > I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.

>
> You bought a computer off eBay. That's as far as anyone should read.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP


And I'm buying another one! Dell D430 - for $150 - same deal. I'll
upgrade the RAM, get another XP OEM license and sell it.
I know I should go though an authorized Microsoft reseller (LOL).
 
M

MuahMan

Flightless Bird
You break Darwin's Law every day you make it through alive.
 
R

Redjac

Flightless Bird
"Justin" <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in message
news:justin-E1B40E.17101328072010@news.eternal-september.org...
> I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
> upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install Windows. So
> I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on it for a whole
> $5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It works perfectly.
> So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from Microsoft?
> Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the Microsoft piracy
> gulag?
> I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.


shove yer dell up yer ass
 
J

Justin

Flightless Bird
In article <OTYzJ5pLLHA.5668@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hope you sold it for $5.01 kos that's what it was worth.
>
> Justin wrote:
> > I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
> > upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install Windows. So
> > I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on it for a whole
> > $5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It works perfectly.
> > So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from Microsoft?
> > Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the Microsoft piracy
> > gulag?
> > I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.


I should be able to sell the whole unit for >$200 if I ship worldwide.
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Ping piracy@microsoft.com, I'm sure they can help you do that.

Justin wrote:
> In article <OTYzJ5pLLHA.5668@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hope you sold it for $5.01 kos that's what it was worth.
>>
>> Justin wrote:
>>> I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
>>> upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install Windows. So
>>> I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on it for a whole
>>> $5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It works perfectly.
>>> So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from Microsoft?
>>> Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the Microsoft piracy
>>> gulag?
>>> I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.

>
> I should be able to sell the whole unit for >$200 if I ship worldwide.
 
A

Andy

Flightless Bird
buying one is fine reselling it with a cheap copy of windows or an illegal
copy is wrong sa the buyer gets stuck with a copy of windows microsoft might
not support at all.


--
AL'S COMPUTERS
"Hadron" <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:i2q9hd$9uf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Justin wrote:
>>> I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
>>> upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install
>>> Windows. So I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on
>>> it for a whole $5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It
>>> works perfectly.
>>> So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from Microsoft?
>>> Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the Microsoft piracy
>>> gulag?
>>> I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.

>>
>> You bought a computer off eBay. That's as far as anyone should read.
>>
>> --
>> Shenan Stanley
>> MS-MVP

>
> Whats wrong with that? All my Linux laptops were bought off ebay either
> with a Windows restore partition or nothing : and I installed debian
> either alone or as dual boot with a newly installed XP from the restore
> partition.
>
> It's a great way to get hold of something like a 5 year old thinkpad for
> next to nothing and which is easily powerful enough to make a solid
> Debian workhorse.
>
>
 
P

Phil Stovell

Flightless Bird
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:10:14 -0400, Justin wrote:

> I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
> upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install Windows. So I
> bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on it for a whole $5,
> put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It works perfectly. So, how
> horrible a person am I for stealing from Microsoft? Should I be purged?
> Should I turn myself into the Microsoft piracy gulag?
> I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.


UK suppliers have been billed £2000 by MS for doing that, or a court
appearance. See uk.adverts.computer, the thread starting below and several
earlier threads. Some suppliers now install Ubuntu on second hand
machines, rather than risk the wrath of MS.

Message-ID: <96udndy5tLrKxM3RnZ2dnUVZ8k6dnZ2d@giganews.com>
 
H

Homer

Flightless Bird
Verily I say unto thee, that Justin spake thusly:
> I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
> upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install Windows.
> So I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on it for a
> whole $5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It works
> perfectly. So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from
> Microsoft? Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the
> Microsoft piracy gulag?
> I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.


Read the Windows EULA.

"This software is licensed not sold"

You are not the licensor for Windows, therefore you don't have the right
to sell a Windows license.

However, IIRC there was a legal case which upheld a seller's rights to
sell used software under First Sale doctrine, seemingly undermining the
enforceability of Microsoft's (or indeed any) EULA.

Personally I'm less concerned with the fact that you possibly "violated"
some highly questionable "IP" claim, and more concerned with the fact
that you destroyed a perfectly good PC by infecting it with Windows.

--
K.
http://slated.org
 
Z

ZnU

Flightless Bird
In article <8bcuvgFimdU1@mid.individual.net>, Homer <usenet@slated.org>
wrote:

> Verily I say unto thee, that Justin spake thusly:
> > I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
> > upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install Windows.
> > So I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on it for a
> > whole $5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It works
> > perfectly. So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from
> > Microsoft? Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the
> > Microsoft piracy gulag?
> > I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.

>
> Read the Windows EULA.
>
> "This software is licensed not sold"
>
> You are not the licensor for Windows, therefore you don't have the right
> to sell a Windows license.
>
> However, IIRC there was a legal case which upheld a seller's rights to
> sell used software under First Sale doctrine, seemingly undermining the
> enforceability of Microsoft's (or indeed any) EULA.


SoftMan v. Adobe. SoftMan was buying boxed "collections" of bundled apps
from Adobe, and then reselling them individually. Judge ruled this was
fine, on the basis that software is sold, not licensed (despite vendor
claims to the contrary), so first-sale doctrine applies.

But this decision was only at the district court level, and didn't
consider EULA enforceability, because the EULA bound on _use_ and
SoftMan never installed or used the software. In general, US court
decisions on this subject are all over the map.

> Personally I'm less concerned with the fact that you possibly "violated"
> some highly questionable "IP" claim, and more concerned with the fact
> that you destroyed a perfectly good PC by infecting it with Windows.


--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
 
C

Clogwog

Flightless Bird
"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:eqDQQzpLLHA.5196@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Justin wrote:
>> I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
>> upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install
>> Windows. So I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on
>> it for a whole $5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It
>> works perfectly.
>> So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from Microsoft?
>> Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the Microsoft piracy
>> gulag?
>> I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.

>
> You bought a computer off eBay. That's as far as anyone should read.
>

What's wrong with that?
I bought one for my son, very cheap, with an up to date Acronis image on
board, Windows XP & Linux Mint "inside" , perfectly legal, all being paid
for by the original owner! ( I bet ;-) )
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Flightless Bird
Clogwog wrote:
> What's wrong with that?
> I bought one for my son, very cheap, with an up to date Acronis
> image on board, Windows XP & Linux Mint "inside" , perfectly legal,
> all being paid for by the original owner! ( I bet ;-) )


And you trusted the installation as is?

Interesting.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
 
C

Clogwog

Flightless Bird
"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:%2314s9%23zLLHA.3732@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Clogwog wrote:
>> What's wrong with that?
>> I bought one for my son, very cheap, with an up to date Acronis
>> image on board, Windows XP & Linux Mint "inside" , perfectly legal,
>> all being paid for by the original owner! ( I bet ;-) )

>
> And you trusted the installation as is?
>
> Interesting.
>

There was no reason to be disappointed, of course I ran Acronis again after
the obvious personal modifications!
 
H

Homer

Flightless Bird
Verily I say unto thee, that ZnU spake thusly:
> In article <8bcuvgFimdU1@mid.individual.net>, Homer
> <usenet@slated.org> wrote:


>> However, IIRC there was a legal case which upheld a seller's rights
>> to sell used software under First Sale doctrine, seemingly
>> undermining the enforceability of Microsoft's (or indeed any) EULA.
>>

>
> SoftMan v. Adobe.


That's the one.

> SoftMan was buying boxed "collections" of bundled apps from Adobe,
> and then reselling them individually. Judge ruled this was fine, on
> the basis that software is sold, not licensed (despite vendor claims
> to the contrary), so first-sale doctrine applies.
>
> But this decision was only at the district court level, and didn't
> consider EULA enforceability, because the EULA bound on _use_ and
> SoftMan never installed or used the software. In general, US court
> decisions on this subject are all over the map.


And most other subjects, it seems.

Personally I find the American legal system to be odd in the extreme.

Thankfully I don't need to worry if it's illegal to eat ice cream on a
Sunday in London, but perfectly legal in Glasgow.

--
K.
http://slated.org
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Flightless Bird
Clogwog wrote:
> There was no reason to be disappointed, of course I ran Acronis
> again after the obvious personal modifications!


"Disappointed" would not be what I would say - after all - who knows who has
whatever information you have placed on that machine now.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
 
V

VanguardLH

Flightless Bird
Justin wrote:

> Path: news.albasani.net!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
> Injection-Info: mx03.eternal-september.org; posting-host="vGlm8QNL2N6PaJ/8opKplg";
> logging-data="18820"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+S6Jq84oIB1LIv3PUSKU0BqzqJEkJ2vak="
> Cancel-Lock: sha1:zLlcjxENbkd/SS1QeE9DgyrDuWQ=
>
> I bought another Dell D430 without an Operating system off eBay. I
> upgraded the RAM to 2GB. But of course I needed to install Windows. So
> I bought a memory panel with an XP professional COA on it for a whole
> $5, put that panel on the laptop and sold it! It works perfectly.
> So, how horrible a person am I for stealing from Microsoft?
> Should I be purged? Should I turn myself into the Microsoft piracy
> gulag?
> I feel so guilty. But I think I can live with it.


You are asking us to notify Microsoft so they can subpoena ES' logs or
get ES to decode their Cancel-Lock and Injection-Info headers so
Microsoft can find you and prosecute you for piracy of their OS,
especially since you claim in another post you'll be doing it again?

Well, okie dokie, we'll oblige your request. Tis easy 'nuff by visiting
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/reporting/default.aspx.

Original newsgroups:
comp.os.linux.advocacy (*)
comp.sys.mac.advocacy (*)
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
(*) Deleted in my reply.

Oh yes, like we weren't supposed to recognize a troll wanting to flame a
Microsoft newsgroup to proselytize their personal choice of an OS.
 
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