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: Dan is 100% Right
: Thank you for good Info!
:
: if I have a Cooky I would have you one
: just to keep this Info!
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: "Dan" <news@worldofspack.com> wrote in message
: news:#0M4fc#BLHA.4636@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
: >
: > "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
: > news:ip7v06946jf9f3e7ukh63h2b7vgesg0ugv@4ax.com...
: >> On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:26:59 -0400, "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net>
: >> wrote:
: >>
: >>> Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
: >>> of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
: >>> go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
: >>> so all user's will get the info.
: >>>
: >>> WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
: >>> I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
: >>> so helpful in solving problems and learning.
: >>>
: >>> Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
: >>> the more used groups for others to have this information.
: >>>
: >>> Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !
: >>
: >>
: >> Microsoft does NOT own nor control "microsoft.public." groups.
: >>
: >> This is why these groups are called "public."
: >
: > They are in the "microsoft" heirarchy, which was started by Microsoft
and
: > has it's roots in the Microsoft NNTP server clusters. They have "public"
: > in the group names because these are the public newsgroups that allow
: > anonymous access, as opposed to the private ones that required a login
and
: > were restricted to closed test teams. Just having the word "public" in
the
: > group name does make them any different than any other open newsgroup
that
: > is available via other servers and networks.
: >
: > The majority of posts to the microsoft heirarchy groups come from the
: > flakey web interface that Microsoft hosts - when this no longer works,
: > because it posts directly to the Microsoft run NNTP servers, then the
: > number of posts on these groups will drop significantly and be hardly
: > worth using. Microsoft are moving to their two web forum systems, named
: > Forums and Answers (the former covering mainly technical subjects, that
: > latter aimed at general consumer products).
: >
: >> The ONLY way the "microsoft.public" groups can get dropped is if EVERY
: >> Usegroup provider removes them from their NNTP Servers.
: >
: > Which will happen if MS send out rmgroup commands and the providers
honour
: > that request. But just because a provider doesn't drop the group it
: > doesn't mean it'll still be used. So what if the groups still exist if
: > nobody posts to them?
: >
: >> Usegroups are the updated equivalent of the "Internet Bulletin
: >> Board" using the NNTP Protocol. Totally public and anyone can post.
: >
: > On publicly accessible groups, yes. But there's nothing stopping me from
: > starting a private NNTP and limiting access (and I have done this in the
: > past), and so your blanket statement is false. (I shut my NNTP server
down
: > back in the mid 90s and I won't be bothering with that again
)
: >
: >> The ONLY things that Microsoft does control are their various WEB
: >> forums.
: >
: > And the msnews.microsoft.com server, which is what Microsoft is shutting
: > down in October. When that goes, the MS run web interface for posting to
: > them will go as well, and traffic will be significantly reduced. Why
does
: > everyone who keeps going on about the groups not being removed from
non-MS
: > servers ignore the fact that it might not matter given that post traffic
: > will, at least on most of the groups I read and post to, drop to pretty
: > much nothing.
: >
: > --
: > Dan
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