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HEY.....MVPS's....We user's need some info on MS closing these newsgroups.

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by Bubey, Jun 8, 2010.

  1. Bubey

    Bubey Flightless Bird

    Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    so all user's will get the info.

    WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    so helpful in solving problems and learning.

    Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    the more used groups for others to have this information.

    Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !
     
  2. Bruce Hagen

    Bruce Hagen Flightless Bird

    They don't tell us everything. I have no information about the next phase
    of newsgroup closures other than what is here.

    Can't find what you are looking for? Links are available below for
    Newsgroups Deleted June 1, 2010
    http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx

    Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities
    http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx

    By October, the MS news server will cease to exist. Other news servers
    will continue to carry the newsgroups. How long, no one knows.

    If you subscribed to a server such as Eternal-September, you will find
    your lost groups. That said, there will be less people asking and
    answering posts as time goes on. I am posting now in the new Microsoft
    Answers forums as well as the Usenet groups.

    Here is the Microsoft Answers home page.
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/categories
    --
    Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP [Mail]
    Imperial Beach, CA


    "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:-OBDJpaxBLHA.3840@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    > of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    > go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    > so all user's will get the info.
    >
    > WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    > I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    > so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    >
    > Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    > the more used groups for others to have this information.
    >
    > Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !
    >
     
  3. No Mo

    No Mo Flightless Bird

    The information has been posted numerous times. Look for it.

    "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:-OBDJpaxBLHA.3840@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    : Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    : of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    : go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    : so all user's will get the info.
    :
    : WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    : I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    : so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    :
    : Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    : the more used groups for others to have this information.
    :
    : Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !
    :
     
  4. Leonard Grey

    Leonard Grey Flightless Bird

    Re: HEY.....MVPS's....We user's need some info on MS closing thesenewsgroups.

    Heard of Google? Try this search term:

    Microsoft ending newsgroups
    ---
    Leonard Grey
    Errare humanum est

    Bubey wrote:
    > Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    > of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    > go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    > so all user's will get the info.
    >
    > WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    > I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    > so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    >
    > Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    > the more used groups for others to have this information.
    >
    > Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !
    >
     
  5. kraut

    kraut Flightless Bird

    On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:26:59 -0400, "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net>
    wrote:

    >Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    >of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    >go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    >so all user's will get the info.
    >
    >WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    >I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    >so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    >
    >Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    >the more used groups for others to have this information.
    >
    >Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !



    You can still use them. Just find a news server that carries them
    such as free news server news.eternal-september.org. Just because MS
    is not going to carry them does not mean they will completely
    disappear.

    Who know maybe even some of the MVPs may hang around to help answer
    questions there??
     
  6. Gordon

    Gordon Flightless Bird

    "kraut" <kraut3852@yahoo.comg> wrote in message
    news:l3ts06tfei7t47ro56svq5t7fbrtsr56sh@4ax.com...
    >
    > You can still use them. Just find a news server that carries them
    > such as free news server news.eternal-september.org.


    But there's VERY little traffic on even the most used now...
     
  7. Hot-text

    Hot-text Flightless Bird

    Just find a news servers that carries them!
    #1. not all News Servers are Sharing....
    For as Microsoft public Close Newsgroups they stop will stop Sharing of
    groups that have been Close.
    For no more Download and Upstream at Microsoft Server!

    # 2 Automatic Download and Upstream at the News Servers will have ERROR

    # a 2. Setup Download to all News Servers
    I-Have-feed outside
    Posting from outside
    Will error on the Close of a groups

    # b 2. Upstream Setup on the News Servers side
    Check mark Upstream sending (own posts) activated
    Check mark Automatic feeding (must be online)
    email hot-text.ath.cx@winews.net

    Upstream Servers (Usenet)
    Server msnews.microsoft.com

    uncheck mark Use Authentication
    Username: UserName
    Password: PassWord


    The News Servers will have to Delete the Microsoft Server be cause or ERRORS
    Dam Log is fall of ERRORS ERRORS ERRORS ERRORS
    be good if Microsoft would Close all the groups at one time!
    to Close one a day makes ERRORS Upstream Servers (Usenet)
    And Microsoft is LOOL the Upstream Servers (Usenet)

    Os Post articles on news servers that carries them!
    a Post a ERRORS
    we see a Post articles and it look good
    But Upstream Servers (Usenet) see a ERRORS that is felling Logs File!
    And is Microsoft is LOOL

    So one will have to give
    Upstream Servers (Usenet)
    have no MVP's to run the Show for they!
    And is Microsoft is LOOL

    A Old saying @ Linux
    Linux for Linux
    Microsoft for Microsoft
    and we will eat the Apples!





    "kraut" <kraut3852@yahoo.comg> wrote in message
    news:l3ts06tfei7t47ro56svq5t7fbrtsr56sh@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:26:59 -0400, "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    >>of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    >>go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    >>so all user's will get the info.
    >>
    >>WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    >>I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    >>so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    >>
    >>Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    >>the more used groups for others to have this information.
    >>
    >>Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !

    >
    >
    > You can still use them. Just find a news server that carries them
    > such as free news server news.eternal-september.org. Just because MS
    > is not going to carry them does not mean they will completely
    > disappear.
    >
    > Who know maybe even some of the MVPs may hang around to help answer
    > questions there??
     
  8. No Mo

    No Mo Flightless Bird

    Once a HoopleHead, always a HoopleHead.

    "Hot-text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:C858878C-EEE2-44B5-A0C1-B7C6B8005815@microsoft.com...
    : Just find a news servers that carries them!
    : #1. not all News Servers are Sharing....
    : For as Microsoft public Close Newsgroups they stop will stop Sharing of
    : groups that have been Close.
    : For no more Download and Upstream at Microsoft Server!
    :
    : # 2 Automatic Download and Upstream at the News Servers will have ERROR
    :
    : # a 2. Setup Download to all News Servers
    : I-Have-feed outside
    : Posting from outside
    : Will error on the Close of a groups
    :
    : # b 2. Upstream Setup on the News Servers side
    : Check mark Upstream sending (own posts) activated
    : Check mark Automatic feeding (must be online)
    : email hot-text.ath.cx@winews.net
    :
    : Upstream Servers (Usenet)
    : Server msnews.microsoft.com
    :
    : uncheck mark Use Authentication
    : Username: UserName
    : Password: PassWord
    :
    :
    : The News Servers will have to Delete the Microsoft Server be cause or
    ERRORS
    : Dam Log is fall of ERRORS ERRORS ERRORS ERRORS
    : be good if Microsoft would Close all the groups at one time!
    : to Close one a day makes ERRORS Upstream Servers (Usenet)
    : And Microsoft is LOOL the Upstream Servers (Usenet)
    :
    : Os Post articles on news servers that carries them!
    : a Post a ERRORS
    : we see a Post articles and it look good
    : But Upstream Servers (Usenet) see a ERRORS that is felling Logs File!
    : And is Microsoft is LOOL
    :
    : So one will have to give
    : Upstream Servers (Usenet)
    : have no MVP's to run the Show for they!
    : And is Microsoft is LOOL
    :
    : A Old saying @ Linux
    : Linux for Linux
    : Microsoft for Microsoft
    : and we will eat the Apples!
    :
    :
    :
    :
    :
    : "kraut" <kraut3852@yahoo.comg> wrote in message
    : news:l3ts06tfei7t47ro56svq5t7fbrtsr56sh@4ax.com...
    : > On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:26:59 -0400, "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net>
    : > wrote:
    : >
    : >>Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    : >>of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    : >>go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    : >>so all user's will get the info.
    : >>
    : >>WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    : >>I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    : >>so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    : >>
    : >>Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    : >>the more used groups for others to have this information.
    : >>
    : >>Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !
    : >
    : >
    : > You can still use them. Just find a news server that carries them
    : > such as free news server news.eternal-september.org. Just because MS
    : > is not going to carry them does not mean they will completely
    : > disappear.
    : >
    : > Who know maybe even some of the MVPs may hang around to help answer
    : > questions there??
    :
     
  9. Peter Foldes

    Peter Foldes Flightless Bird

    I thought you disappeared. Looks like you are back because you forgot to take your
    meds. Go and take them immediately and go away again

    --
    Peter

    Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
    Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
    http://www.microsoft.com/protect

    "Hot-text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:C858878C-EEE2-44B5-A0C1-B7C6B8005815@microsoft.com...
    > Just find a news servers that carries them!
    > #1. not all News Servers are Sharing....
    > For as Microsoft public Close Newsgroups they stop will stop Sharing of groups
    > that have been Close.
    > For no more Download and Upstream at Microsoft Server!
    >
    > # 2 Automatic Download and Upstream at the News Servers will have ERROR
    >
    > # a 2. Setup Download to all News Servers
    > I-Have-feed outside
    > Posting from outside
    > Will error on the Close of a groups
    >
    > # b 2. Upstream Setup on the News Servers side
    > Check mark Upstream sending (own posts) activated
    > Check mark Automatic feeding (must be online)
    > email hot-text.ath.cx@winews.net
    >
    > Upstream Servers (Usenet)
    > Server msnews.microsoft.com
    >
    > uncheck mark Use Authentication
    > Username: UserName
    > Password: PassWord
    >
    >
    > The News Servers will have to Delete the Microsoft Server be cause or ERRORS
    > Dam Log is fall of ERRORS ERRORS ERRORS ERRORS
    > be good if Microsoft would Close all the groups at one time!
    > to Close one a day makes ERRORS Upstream Servers (Usenet)
    > And Microsoft is LOOL the Upstream Servers (Usenet)
    >
    > Os Post articles on news servers that carries them!
    > a Post a ERRORS
    > we see a Post articles and it look good
    > But Upstream Servers (Usenet) see a ERRORS that is felling Logs File!
    > And is Microsoft is LOOL
    >
    > So one will have to give
    > Upstream Servers (Usenet)
    > have no MVP's to run the Show for they!
    > And is Microsoft is LOOL
    >
    > A Old saying @ Linux
    > Linux for Linux
    > Microsoft for Microsoft
    > and we will eat the Apples!
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "kraut" <kraut3852@yahoo.comg> wrote in message
    > news:l3ts06tfei7t47ro56svq5t7fbrtsr56sh@4ax.com...
    >> On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:26:59 -0400, "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    >>>of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    >>>go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    >>>so all user's will get the info.
    >>>
    >>>WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    >>>I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    >>>so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    >>>
    >>>Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    >>>the more used groups for others to have this information.
    >>>
    >>>Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !

    >>
    >>
    >> You can still use them. Just find a news server that carries them
    >> such as free news server news.eternal-september.org. Just because MS
    >> is not going to carry them does not mean they will completely
    >> disappear.
    >>
    >> Who know maybe even some of the MVPs may hang around to help answer
    >> questions there??

    >
     
  10. Tom Ponta

    Tom Ponta Flightless Bird

    Another asshole heard from. Sooo helpful.

    "No Mo" <nomo@HoopleHead.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hulkqk$rsb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > The information has been posted numerous times. Look for it.
    >
    > "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:-OBDJpaxBLHA.3840@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > : Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    > : of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    > : go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    > : so all user's will get the info.
    > :
    > : WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    > : I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    > : so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    > :
    > : Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    > : the more used groups for others to have this information.
    > :
    > : Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !
    > :
    >
    >
     
  11. brbrown

    brbrown Flightless Bird

    Re: HEY.....MVPS's....We user's need some info on MS closing these

    Hello Leonard. Sorry to but in on this thread but this is the only way I can
    contact you. You were very kindly assisting me with a problem in another
    section but due to the close down reffered to above, my postings have
    disappeared and do not show in the Answers forum. So, apologies, I will have
    to repost in Answers. Brian

    "Leonard Grey" wrote:

    > Heard of Google? Try this search term:
    >
    > Microsoft ending newsgroups
    > ---
    > Leonard Grey
    > Errare humanum est
    >
    > Bubey wrote:
    > > Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    > > of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    > > go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    > > so all user's will get the info.
    > >
    > > WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    > > I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    > > so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    > >
    > > Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    > > the more used groups for others to have this information.
    > >
    > > Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !
    > >

    > .
    >
     
  12. No Mo

    No Mo Flightless Bird

    Learn to do some of your own work, HoopleHead. Stop expecting everyone to do
    it for you, dumbass.

    "Tom Ponta" <thomasponta@att.net> wrote in message
    news:9D065BAB-596C-4941-85D7-680494548BB6@microsoft.com...
    : Another asshole heard from. Sooo helpful.
    :
    : "No Mo" <nomo@HoopleHead.invalid> wrote in message
    : news:hulkqk$rsb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    : > The information has been posted numerous times. Look for it.
    : >
    : > "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    : > news:-OBDJpaxBLHA.3840@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    : > : Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    : > : of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    : > : go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    : > : so all user's will get the info.
    : > :
    : > : WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    : > : I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    : > : so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    : > :
    : > : Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    : > : the more used groups for others to have this information.
    : > :
    : > : Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !
    : > :
    : >
    : >
    :
     
  13. Tecknomage

    Tecknomage Flightless Bird

    On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:26:59 -0400, "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net>
    wrote:

    > Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    > of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    > go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    > so all user's will get the info.
    >
    > WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    > I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    > so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    >
    > Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    > the more used groups for others to have this information.
    >
    > Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !



    Microsoft does NOT own nor control "microsoft.public." groups.

    This is why these groups are called "public."


    No one entity owns/controls ANY Newsgroup on the Usenet system.

    The NNTP Usenet system is totally independent system.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

    The ONLY way the "microsoft.public" groups can get dropped is if EVERY
    Usegroup provider removes them from their NNTP Servers.

    The Usenet system grew out of the old (DOS days) "Internet Bulletin
    Board" systems. The term "bulletin board" is very apt, think of a cork
    bulletin board in a college dorm or office. ANYONE can post a notice
    on the bulletin board.

    Usegroups are the updated equivalent of the "Internet Bulletin
    Board" using the NNTP Protocol. Totally public and anyone can post.

    There MAY be a *few* Newsgroups that are monitored by a person or
    team, where a submitted a post is reviewed before they appear. These
    tend to be carried by specific Usegroup Providers and are not
    distributed. ("microsoft.public" groups are not monitored)

    Today, may ISPs are dropping *free* Newsgroups because of the very
    high overhead (cost & resources) needed. ISPs make their money
    providing connection to the WWW, and providing eMail service, to
    clients. You are using one now (COX, AT&T, etc).

    The focus is shifting to providers who *specialize* in Newsnet/Usenet,
    usually a *subscription service* which is how they make their money.
    (they do NOT provide connection to the WWW)

    Examples:
    I am using Forte's APN = http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php
    GigaNews = http://www.giganews.com/
    Usenet.com = http://www.usenet.com/

    You can Google for "usenet service" to get a listing.



    The ONLY things that Microsoft does control are their various WEB
    forums.


    --
    ======== Tecknomage ========
    Computer Systems Specialist
    IT Technician
    San Diego, CA
     
  14. Dan

    Dan Flightless Bird

    "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
    news:ip7v06946jf9f3e7ukh63h2b7vgesg0ugv@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:26:59 -0400, "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    >> of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    >> go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    >> so all user's will get the info.
    >>
    >> WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    >> I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    >> so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    >>
    >> Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    >> the more used groups for others to have this information.
    >>
    >> Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !

    >
    >
    > Microsoft does NOT own nor control "microsoft.public." groups.
    >
    > This is why these groups are called "public."


    They are in the "microsoft" heirarchy, which was started by Microsoft and
    has it's roots in the Microsoft NNTP server clusters. They have "public" in
    the group names because these are the public newsgroups that allow anonymous
    access, as opposed to the private ones that required a login and were
    restricted to closed test teams. Just having the word "public" in the group
    name does make them any different than any other open newsgroup that is
    available via other servers and networks.

    The majority of posts to the microsoft heirarchy groups come from the flakey
    web interface that Microsoft hosts - when this no longer works, because it
    posts directly to the Microsoft run NNTP servers, then the number of posts
    on these groups will drop significantly and be hardly worth using. Microsoft
    are moving to their two web forum systems, named Forums and Answers (the
    former covering mainly technical subjects, that latter aimed at general
    consumer products).

    > The ONLY way the "microsoft.public" groups can get dropped is if EVERY
    > Usegroup provider removes them from their NNTP Servers.


    Which will happen if MS send out rmgroup commands and the providers honour
    that request. But just because a provider doesn't drop the group it doesn't
    mean it'll still be used. So what if the groups still exist if nobody posts
    to them?

    > Usegroups are the updated equivalent of the "Internet Bulletin
    > Board" using the NNTP Protocol. Totally public and anyone can post.


    On publicly accessible groups, yes. But there's nothing stopping me from
    starting a private NNTP and limiting access (and I have done this in the
    past), and so your blanket statement is false. (I shut my NNTP server down
    back in the mid 90s and I won't be bothering with that again :p)

    > The ONLY things that Microsoft does control are their various WEB
    > forums.


    And the msnews.microsoft.com server, which is what Microsoft is shutting
    down in October. When that goes, the MS run web interface for posting to
    them will go as well, and traffic will be significantly reduced. Why does
    everyone who keeps going on about the groups not being removed from non-MS
    servers ignore the fact that it might not matter given that post traffic
    will, at least on most of the groups I read and post to, drop to pretty much
    nothing.

    --
    Dan
     
  15. Gordon

    Gordon Flightless Bird

    "Dan" <news@worldofspack.com> wrote in message
    news:#0M4fc#BLHA.4636@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    > then the number of posts on these groups will drop significantly


    Which has already happened. The traffic is down many hundreds of percent...
     
  16. Hot-text

    Hot-text Flightless Bird

    Microsoft own and control it's port 119 and can name it groups
    "microsoft.public." if they like
    they are not Closing the "microsoft.public." just the names after words
    like microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    see the internetexplorer.general after words!

    Microsoft not Closing there Server just groups!



    "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
    news:ip7v06946jf9f3e7ukh63h2b7vgesg0ugv@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:26:59 -0400, "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    >> of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    >> go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    >> so all user's will get the info.
    >>
    >> WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    >> I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    >> so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    >>
    >> Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    >> the more used groups for others to have this information.
    >>
    >> Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !

    >
    >
    > Microsoft does NOT own nor control "microsoft.public." groups.
    >
    > This is why these groups are called "public."
    >
    >
    > No one entity owns/controls ANY Newsgroup on the Usenet system.
    >
    > The NNTP Usenet system is totally independent system.
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
    >
    > The ONLY way the "microsoft.public" groups can get dropped is if EVERY
    > Usegroup provider removes them from their NNTP Servers.
    >
    > The Usenet system grew out of the old (DOS days) "Internet Bulletin
    > Board" systems. The term "bulletin board" is very apt, think of a cork
    > bulletin board in a college dorm or office. ANYONE can post a notice
    > on the bulletin board.
    >
    > Usegroups are the updated equivalent of the "Internet Bulletin
    > Board" using the NNTP Protocol. Totally public and anyone can post.
    >
    > There MAY be a *few* Newsgroups that are monitored by a person or
    > team, where a submitted a post is reviewed before they appear. These
    > tend to be carried by specific Usegroup Providers and are not
    > distributed. ("microsoft.public" groups are not monitored)
    >
    > Today, may ISPs are dropping *free* Newsgroups because of the very
    > high overhead (cost & resources) needed. ISPs make their money
    > providing connection to the WWW, and providing eMail service, to
    > clients. You are using one now (COX, AT&T, etc).
    >
    > The focus is shifting to providers who *specialize* in Newsnet/Usenet,
    > usually a *subscription service* which is how they make their money.
    > (they do NOT provide connection to the WWW)
    >
    > Examples:
    > I am using Forte's APN = http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php
    > GigaNews = http://www.giganews.com/
    > Usenet.com = http://www.usenet.com/
    >
    > You can Google for "usenet service" to get a listing.
    >
    >
    >
    > The ONLY things that Microsoft does control are their various WEB
    > forums.
    >
    >
    > --
    > ======== Tecknomage ========
    > Computer Systems Specialist
    > IT Technician
    > San Diego, CA
     
  17. Hot-text

    Hot-text Flightless Bird

    Dan is 100% Right
    Thank you for good Info!

    if I have a Cooky I would have you one
    just to keep this Info!


    "Dan" <news@worldofspack.com> wrote in message
    news:#0M4fc#BLHA.4636@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >
    > "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
    > news:ip7v06946jf9f3e7ukh63h2b7vgesg0ugv@4ax.com...
    >> On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:26:59 -0400, "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    >>> of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    >>> go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    >>> so all user's will get the info.
    >>>
    >>> WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    >>> I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    >>> so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    >>>
    >>> Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    >>> the more used groups for others to have this information.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !

    >>
    >>
    >> Microsoft does NOT own nor control "microsoft.public." groups.
    >>
    >> This is why these groups are called "public."

    >
    > They are in the "microsoft" heirarchy, which was started by Microsoft and
    > has it's roots in the Microsoft NNTP server clusters. They have "public"
    > in the group names because these are the public newsgroups that allow
    > anonymous access, as opposed to the private ones that required a login and
    > were restricted to closed test teams. Just having the word "public" in the
    > group name does make them any different than any other open newsgroup that
    > is available via other servers and networks.
    >
    > The majority of posts to the microsoft heirarchy groups come from the
    > flakey web interface that Microsoft hosts - when this no longer works,
    > because it posts directly to the Microsoft run NNTP servers, then the
    > number of posts on these groups will drop significantly and be hardly
    > worth using. Microsoft are moving to their two web forum systems, named
    > Forums and Answers (the former covering mainly technical subjects, that
    > latter aimed at general consumer products).
    >
    >> The ONLY way the "microsoft.public" groups can get dropped is if EVERY
    >> Usegroup provider removes them from their NNTP Servers.

    >
    > Which will happen if MS send out rmgroup commands and the providers honour
    > that request. But just because a provider doesn't drop the group it
    > doesn't mean it'll still be used. So what if the groups still exist if
    > nobody posts to them?
    >
    >> Usegroups are the updated equivalent of the "Internet Bulletin
    >> Board" using the NNTP Protocol. Totally public and anyone can post.

    >
    > On publicly accessible groups, yes. But there's nothing stopping me from
    > starting a private NNTP and limiting access (and I have done this in the
    > past), and so your blanket statement is false. (I shut my NNTP server down
    > back in the mid 90s and I won't be bothering with that again :p)
    >
    >> The ONLY things that Microsoft does control are their various WEB
    >> forums.

    >
    > And the msnews.microsoft.com server, which is what Microsoft is shutting
    > down in October. When that goes, the MS run web interface for posting to
    > them will go as well, and traffic will be significantly reduced. Why does
    > everyone who keeps going on about the groups not being removed from non-MS
    > servers ignore the fact that it might not matter given that post traffic
    > will, at least on most of the groups I read and post to, drop to pretty
    > much nothing.
    >
    > --
    > Dan
     
  18. Dan

    Dan Flightless Bird

    "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:huoeba$tsm$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    > "Dan" <news@worldofspack.com> wrote in message
    > news:#0M4fc#BLHA.4636@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >
    >> then the number of posts on these groups will drop significantly

    >
    > Which has already happened. The traffic is down many hundreds of
    > percent...


    I assume you mean "almost a hundred percent". If it was "down many hundreds
    of percent" it would have negative posts :p

    Yes, it's quiet. Half of the groups I were subscribed to in WLM have already
    been removed. I won't miss the EggHeadCafe posts (most of which seem to be
    replies to posts from 3+ years ago ...), but I will miss the SQL Server and
    ADO/ASP/IIS groups (as a classic ASP programmer moving to an alternate MS
    forum isn't an option - there isn't one).

    --
    Dan
     
  19. Gordon

    Gordon Flightless Bird

    "Dan" <news@worldofspack.com> wrote in message
    news:-OLjxtdHCLHA.1072@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >
    > Yes, it's quiet. Half of the groups I were subscribed to in WLM have
    > already been removed. I won't miss the EggHeadCafe posts (most of which
    > seem to be replies to posts from 3+ years ago ...),


    Too true....


    > but I will miss the SQL Server


    Had a look here?
    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/sqlserver/
     
  20. Bickford Schmeckler

    Bickford Schmeckler Flightless Bird

    Eat this cookie, dingbat.

    "Hot-text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3E7E4249-E558-4C71-A7FB-3D0A6B441C1B@microsoft.com...
    : Dan is 100% Right
    : Thank you for good Info!
    :
    : if I have a Cooky I would have you one
    : just to keep this Info!
    :
    :
    : "Dan" <news@worldofspack.com> wrote in message
    : news:#0M4fc#BLHA.4636@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    : >
    : > "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
    : > news:ip7v06946jf9f3e7ukh63h2b7vgesg0ugv@4ax.com...
    : >> On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:26:59 -0400, "Bubey" <catlov@earthlink.net>
    : >> wrote:
    : >>
    : >>> Since you MVP's are in the know, could you please post a msg/list
    : >>> of what and when these topics will be dropped and Where should we
    : >>> go for help. (Dates, other links, etc.) Maybe post is several area's
    : >>> so all user's will get the info.
    : >>>
    : >>> WHY is Microsoft dropping these newsgroups ?
    : >>> I've used these Newsgroups since it was started and they have been
    : >>> so helpful in solving problems and learning.
    : >>>
    : >>> Not sure where to post this but it would be nice to copy it into
    : >>> the more used groups for others to have this information.
    : >>>
    : >>> Thanks in advance for the help and all your help in the past years !
    : >>
    : >>
    : >> Microsoft does NOT own nor control "microsoft.public." groups.
    : >>
    : >> This is why these groups are called "public."
    : >
    : > They are in the "microsoft" heirarchy, which was started by Microsoft
    and
    : > has it's roots in the Microsoft NNTP server clusters. They have "public"
    : > in the group names because these are the public newsgroups that allow
    : > anonymous access, as opposed to the private ones that required a login
    and
    : > were restricted to closed test teams. Just having the word "public" in
    the
    : > group name does make them any different than any other open newsgroup
    that
    : > is available via other servers and networks.
    : >
    : > The majority of posts to the microsoft heirarchy groups come from the
    : > flakey web interface that Microsoft hosts - when this no longer works,
    : > because it posts directly to the Microsoft run NNTP servers, then the
    : > number of posts on these groups will drop significantly and be hardly
    : > worth using. Microsoft are moving to their two web forum systems, named
    : > Forums and Answers (the former covering mainly technical subjects, that
    : > latter aimed at general consumer products).
    : >
    : >> The ONLY way the "microsoft.public" groups can get dropped is if EVERY
    : >> Usegroup provider removes them from their NNTP Servers.
    : >
    : > Which will happen if MS send out rmgroup commands and the providers
    honour
    : > that request. But just because a provider doesn't drop the group it
    : > doesn't mean it'll still be used. So what if the groups still exist if
    : > nobody posts to them?
    : >
    : >> Usegroups are the updated equivalent of the "Internet Bulletin
    : >> Board" using the NNTP Protocol. Totally public and anyone can post.
    : >
    : > On publicly accessible groups, yes. But there's nothing stopping me from
    : > starting a private NNTP and limiting access (and I have done this in the
    : > past), and so your blanket statement is false. (I shut my NNTP server
    down
    : > back in the mid 90s and I won't be bothering with that again :p)
    : >
    : >> The ONLY things that Microsoft does control are their various WEB
    : >> forums.
    : >
    : > And the msnews.microsoft.com server, which is what Microsoft is shutting
    : > down in October. When that goes, the MS run web interface for posting to
    : > them will go as well, and traffic will be significantly reduced. Why
    does
    : > everyone who keeps going on about the groups not being removed from
    non-MS
    : > servers ignore the fact that it might not matter given that post traffic
    : > will, at least on most of the groups I read and post to, drop to pretty
    : > much nothing.
    : >
    : > --
    : > Dan
    :
     

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