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Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Stewart, Mar 5, 2010.

  1. Stewart

    Stewart Flightless Bird

    I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to Windows 7
    fairly soon.
    I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.
    My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to a
    500gb hard drive.
    My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep both,
    running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.
    I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.
    What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used or
    not? If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK
    Thank you
     
  2. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Stewart wrote:
    > I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to Windows 7
    > fairly soon.
    > I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.
    > My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to a
    > 500gb hard drive.
    > My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    > Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep both,
    > running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.
    > I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.
    > What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used or
    > not? If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK
    > Thank you
    >
    >


    SATA or PATA drives? Video card specs?

    --
    Alias
     
  3. a@b.c

    a@b.c Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:04:43 -0000, "Stewart"
    <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:

    >I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to Windows 7
    >fairly soon.
    >I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.
    >My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to a
    >500gb hard drive.
    >My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    >Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep both,
    >running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.
    >I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.
    >What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used or
    >not? If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK
    >Thank you
    >

    I have the Nexus 430 watt power supply and I have no problems running
    2 drives--the power required by a second drive is not that high. The
    more important question is how much power your video card requires--if
    its not that high, you shouldn't have any problems.

    I have XP on a Western Digital 1 terabyte drive and I put in a Western
    Digital 160 gb drive to try out Windows 7. I use the BIOS first hard
    drive to boot from option to switch between operating systems. So far
    I'm not sufficiently impressed with W7 to use it as my main operating
    system. I see it as more of the same crap dressed up and warmed over.
     
  4. Slap

    Slap Flightless Bird

    <a@b.c> wrote in message news:rab2p59v0nmjp7p6sbl90finueiu12ll81@4ax.com...
    >
    > So far
    > I'm not sufficiently impressed with W7 to use it as my main operating
    > system. I see it as more of the same crap dressed up and warmed over.
    >


    Oh dear. Win 7 isn't even close to XP. It's the stuff you can't see (many
    of course can) that counts. Best to toss the old antique XP op system or
    maybe keep it around for those 'older' programs you like to run. That's
    about all it's good for now. Had it's day a long, long time ago.

    Time for a modern op system.
    --
     
  5. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Slap wrote:

    >
    > Oh dear. Win 7 isn't even close to XP. It's the stuff you can't see
    > (many of course can) that counts. Best to toss the old antique XP op
    > system or maybe keep it around for those 'older' programs you like to
    > run. That's about all it's good for now. Had it's day a long, long
    > time ago.
    >
    > Time for a modern op system.
    > --
    >
    >
    >
    >

    I agree and it can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/

    --
    Alias
     
  6. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    On 3/5/2010 8:34 AM, Alias wrote:
    > Slap wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> Oh dear. Win 7 isn't even close to XP. It's the stuff you can't see
    >> (many of course can) that counts. Best to toss the old antique XP op
    >> system or maybe keep it around for those 'older' programs you like to
    >> run. That's about all it's good for now. Had it's day a long, long
    >> time ago.
    >>
    >> Time for a modern op system.
    >> --
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > I agree and it can be found at http://www.microsoft.com
    >
     
  7. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:04:43 -0000, "Stewart"
    <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:

    >I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to Windows 7
    >fairly soon.
    >I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.
    >My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to a
    >500gb hard drive.
    >My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    >Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep both,
    >running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.
    >I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.


    As others have said, it depends more on what else is in the system.
    Video cards and RAM are the biggest users of power. The drives don't
    use much, relatively speaking.

    About 10 years ago one of my systems was a Pentium 150 with a 200 Watt
    power supply. That system happily powered two hard drives for years.
    My current system has a 550 Watt p/s and powers 7 hard drives.

    >What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used or
    >not? If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK


    It depends on your Windows power settings. You can configure your
    drives to spin down after a certain amount of inactivity or allow them
    to keep running full time.

    If it were me, I would install both drives. You will likely be fine
    unless you have a very high end graphics card, for example.
     
  8. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:04:43 -0000, "Stewart"
    <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:

    > I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to Windows 7
    > fairly soon.



    Bear in mind that an upgrade from XP to Windows 7 is *not* possible.
    Although you can use the Upgrade version, you will need to do a clean
    installation.


    > I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.



    Good. Almost everyone should have at least that much.


    > My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to a
    > 500gb hard drive.



    160GB may or may not be enough for you, but I certainly wouldn't
    replace it. Rather *add* the 500GB drive.



    > My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    > Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep both,



    You can certainly keep both and you almost certainly should. There's
    no sense in discarding a good existing drive. Even if you don't need
    that 660GB of disk space now, you likely will in the future.


    > running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.



    You can keep both drives and use both for storage under Windows 7.
    There's no need to run two operating systems.

    I'm not a fan of dual-boot computers, but there certainly are some
    people for whom it makes sense. But I haven't read anything in your
    message that suggests that you are one of those people.


    > I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.



    425 watts? You didn't say anything about what other hardware is in the
    case, but I very much doubt that adding a second drive would cause a
    power problem for you. *Many* people run two drive systems with
    substantially less than 425 watts.


    > What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used or
    > not?



    It spins, yes.


    > If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK



    As I said, it almost certainly will be OK anyway.

    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  9. Stewart

    Stewart Flightless Bird

    Thank you all; I have windows 7 on my laptop and like it. The greatest
    benefit of having the desktop using 7 as well would be to enable me to have
    a home network and so work on files in either computer. I have been using a
    sync program to save files and folders on the laptop but it does not delete
    the ones that become redundant whereas file sharing would do this.
    I think my drive to the hard drive is IDE and the graphics is included in my
    Gigabyte GA-7N400-L motherboard.
    The cost of a hard drive and extra ram is not significant so I shall go
    ahead and keep the 2 drives; as someone said I shall have to do a clean
    install of windows 7 on the new disk anyway.



    "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
    news:35n2p59cphvv5voumtc6lb0lfcf2gak58c@4ax.com...
    > On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:04:43 -0000, "Stewart"
    > <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    >> I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to Windows
    >> 7
    >> fairly soon.

    >
    >
    > Bear in mind that an upgrade from XP to Windows 7 is *not* possible.
    > Although you can use the Upgrade version, you will need to do a clean
    > installation.
    >
    >
    >> I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.

    >
    >
    > Good. Almost everyone should have at least that much.
    >
    >
    >> My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to a
    >> 500gb hard drive.

    >
    >
    > 160GB may or may not be enough for you, but I certainly wouldn't
    > replace it. Rather *add* the 500GB drive.
    >
    >
    >
    >> My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    >> Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep both,

    >
    >
    > You can certainly keep both and you almost certainly should. There's
    > no sense in discarding a good existing drive. Even if you don't need
    > that 660GB of disk space now, you likely will in the future.
    >
    >
    >> running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.

    >
    >
    > You can keep both drives and use both for storage under Windows 7.
    > There's no need to run two operating systems.
    >
    > I'm not a fan of dual-boot computers, but there certainly are some
    > people for whom it makes sense. But I haven't read anything in your
    > message that suggests that you are one of those people.
    >
    >
    >> I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.

    >
    >
    > 425 watts? You didn't say anything about what other hardware is in the
    > case, but I very much doubt that adding a second drive would cause a
    > power problem for you. *Many* people run two drive systems with
    > substantially less than 425 watts.
    >
    >
    >> What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used or
    >> not?

    >
    >
    > It spins, yes.
    >
    >
    >> If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK

    >
    >
    > As I said, it almost certainly will be OK anyway.
    >
    > --
    > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  10. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 21:28:42 -0000, "Stewart"
    <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:

    > Thank you all; I have windows 7 on my laptop and like it. The greatest
    > benefit of having the desktop using 7 as well would be to enable me to have
    > a home network and so work on files in either computer.



    No need to go to Windows 7 for that. Windows XP and Windows 7 can
    exist and communicate on the same network. Just make sure it's a
    workgroup, not a homegroup.


    > I have been using a
    > sync program to save files and folders on the laptop but it does not delete
    > the ones that become redundant whereas file sharing would do this.
    > I think my drive to the hard drive is IDE and the graphics is included in my
    > Gigabyte GA-7N400-L motherboard.
    > The cost of a hard drive and extra ram is not significant so I shall go
    > ahead and keep the 2 drives; as someone said I shall have to do a clean
    > install of windows 7 on the new disk anyway.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
    > news:35n2p59cphvv5voumtc6lb0lfcf2gak58c@4ax.com...
    > > On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:04:43 -0000, "Stewart"
    > > <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:
    > >
    > >> I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to Windows
    > >> 7
    > >> fairly soon.

    > >
    > >
    > > Bear in mind that an upgrade from XP to Windows 7 is *not* possible.
    > > Although you can use the Upgrade version, you will need to do a clean
    > > installation.
    > >
    > >
    > >> I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.

    > >
    > >
    > > Good. Almost everyone should have at least that much.
    > >
    > >
    > >> My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to a
    > >> 500gb hard drive.

    > >
    > >
    > > 160GB may or may not be enough for you, but I certainly wouldn't
    > > replace it. Rather *add* the 500GB drive.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >> My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    > >> Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep both,

    > >
    > >
    > > You can certainly keep both and you almost certainly should. There's
    > > no sense in discarding a good existing drive. Even if you don't need
    > > that 660GB of disk space now, you likely will in the future.
    > >
    > >
    > >> running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.

    > >
    > >
    > > You can keep both drives and use both for storage under Windows 7.
    > > There's no need to run two operating systems.
    > >
    > > I'm not a fan of dual-boot computers, but there certainly are some
    > > people for whom it makes sense. But I haven't read anything in your
    > > message that suggests that you are one of those people.
    > >
    > >
    > >> I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.

    > >
    > >
    > > 425 watts? You didn't say anything about what other hardware is in the
    > > case, but I very much doubt that adding a second drive would cause a
    > > power problem for you. *Many* people run two drive systems with
    > > substantially less than 425 watts.
    > >
    > >
    > >> What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used or
    > >> not?

    > >
    > >
    > > It spins, yes.
    > >
    > >
    > >> If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK

    > >
    > >
    > > As I said, it almost certainly will be OK anyway.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

    >


    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  11. Stewart

    Stewart Flightless Bird

    I have just realised that my graphics card is a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200; that
    should be powerful enough for windows 7 home premium.


    "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
    news:hmrago$tfd$2@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Stewart wrote:
    >> I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to Windows
    >> 7 fairly soon.
    >> I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.
    >> My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to a
    >> 500gb hard drive.
    >> My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    >> Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep both,
    >> running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.
    >> I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.
    >> What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used or
    >> not? If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK
    >> Thank you

    >
    > SATA or PATA drives? Video card specs?
    >
    > --
    > Alias
     
  12. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Stewart wrote:
    > I have just realised that my graphics card is a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200; that
    > should be powerful enough for windows 7 home premium.
    >


    I would get a higher end video card. Yours only has 128MB of memory
    which isn't much nowadays. Be sure and read the power supply
    requirements of the new card. The new high end ones require a power
    supply of at least 500 watts and come with two connectors that connect
    directly to the power supply.

    > "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
    > news:hmrago$tfd$2@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> Stewart wrote:
    >>> I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to Windows
    >>> 7 fairly soon.
    >>> I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.
    >>> My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to a
    >>> 500gb hard drive.
    >>> My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    >>> Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep both,
    >>> running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.
    >>> I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.
    >>> What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used or
    >>> not? If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK
    >>> Thank you

    >> SATA or PATA drives? Video card specs?
    >>
    >> --
    >> Alias

    >
    >



    --
    Alias
     
  13. Stewart

    Stewart Flightless Bird

    Thanks for that, maybe I would be just as well buying a completely new
    desktop however my one has 2 dvd drive bays, additional sound cards, tv in
    card, firewire, quiet fan and more. That is why I thought I could upgrade
    it, especially as I already have a windows7 32 bit software disk.


    "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
    news:hmthv0$6ue$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Stewart wrote:
    >> I have just realised that my graphics card is a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200;
    >> that should be powerful enough for windows 7 home premium.
    >>

    >
    > I would get a higher end video card. Yours only has 128MB of memory which
    > isn't much nowadays. Be sure and read the power supply requirements of the
    > new card. The new high end ones require a power supply of at least 500
    > watts and come with two connectors that connect directly to the power
    > supply.
    >
    >> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
    >> news:hmrago$tfd$2@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>> Stewart wrote:
    >>>> I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to
    >>>> Windows 7 fairly soon.
    >>>> I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.
    >>>> My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to a
    >>>> 500gb hard drive.
    >>>> My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    >>>> Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep
    >>>> both, running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.
    >>>> I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.
    >>>> What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used
    >>>> or not? If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be
    >>>> OK
    >>>> Thank you
    >>> SATA or PATA drives? Video card specs?
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Alias

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    > --
    > Alias
     
  14. John McGaw

    John McGaw Flightless Bird

    On 3/5/2010 11:04 AM, Stewart wrote:
    > I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to Windows 7
    > fairly soon.
    > I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.
    > My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to a
    > 500gb hard drive.
    > My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    > Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep both,
    > running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.
    > I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.
    > What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used or
    > not? If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK
    > Thank you
    >
    >

    If the system operates stably with the present 425W supply then I'd think
    it would work fine with 1gB of added RAM and an extra HD. Typically the RAM
    might consume 5W (at most) and the HD might consume 20W (at most). If the
    extra 25W of load causes problems then your PS is probably already
    underpowered.

    As for always running, you can set the power-saving function in the
    operating system to spin-down drives after some period of inactivity. I
    don't do it since I don't like the drives starting and stopping repeatedly
    but YMMV.
     
  15. Joel

    Joel Flightless Bird

    "Stewart" <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:

    >Thanks for that, maybe I would be just as well buying a completely new
    >desktop however my one has 2 dvd drive bays, additional sound cards, tv in
    >card, firewire, quiet fan and more. That is why I thought I could upgrade
    >it, especially as I already have a windows7 32 bit software disk.



    You can. Even if your video card doesn't run Aero (or run it well),
    7 will run without Aero, just fine.

    --
    Joel Crump
     
  16. Stewart

    Stewart Flightless Bird

    Sorry to laboiur this but another question arises:-
    I know I can add 1 gb RAM and maybe even 2 GB. 3 is the max thaat the
    computer will take.
    If I put in this extra RAM then is that likely to reduce the need for a new
    graphics card - doing it this way I can take it one stage at a time.


    "John McGaw" <Nobody@Nowh.ere> wrote in message
    news:Fzvkn.21437$Jq1.18722@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
    > On 3/5/2010 11:04 AM, Stewart wrote:
    >> I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to Windows
    >> 7
    >> fairly soon.
    >> I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.
    >> My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to a
    >> 500gb hard drive.
    >> My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    >> Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep both,
    >> running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.
    >> I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.
    >> What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used or
    >> not? If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK
    >> Thank you
    >>
    >>

    > If the system operates stably with the present 425W supply then I'd think
    > it would work fine with 1gB of added RAM and an extra HD. Typically the
    > RAM might consume 5W (at most) and the HD might consume 20W (at most). If
    > the extra 25W of load causes problems then your PS is probably already
    > underpowered.
    >
    > As for always running, you can set the power-saving function in the
    > operating system to spin-down drives after some period of inactivity. I
    > don't do it since I don't like the drives starting and stopping repeatedly
    > but YMMV.
     
  17. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:02:17 -0000, "Stewart"
    <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:

    > Sorry to laboiur this but another question arises:-
    > I know I can add 1 gb RAM and maybe even 2 GB. 3 is the max thaat the
    > computer will take.



    If you say 3GB is the max, OK, but that's a pretty unusual number to
    be a maximum.


    > If I put in this extra RAM then is that likely to reduce the need for a new
    > graphics card



    No. One has nothing to do with the other.

    Why do you think you have a need for a new graphics card?


    > doing it this way I can take it one stage at a time.
    >
    >
    > "John McGaw" <Nobody@Nowh.ere> wrote in message
    > news:Fzvkn.21437$Jq1.18722@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
    > > On 3/5/2010 11:04 AM, Stewart wrote:
    > >> I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to Windows
    > >> 7
    > >> fairly soon.
    > >> I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.
    > >> My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to a
    > >> 500gb hard drive.
    > >> My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    > >> Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep both,
    > >> running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.
    > >> I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.
    > >> What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used or
    > >> not? If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK
    > >> Thank you
    > >>
    > >>

    > > If the system operates stably with the present 425W supply then I'd think
    > > it would work fine with 1gB of added RAM and an extra HD. Typically the
    > > RAM might consume 5W (at most) and the HD might consume 20W (at most). If
    > > the extra 25W of load causes problems then your PS is probably already
    > > underpowered.
    > >
    > > As for always running, you can set the power-saving function in the
    > > operating system to spin-down drives after some period of inactivity. I
    > > don't do it since I don't like the drives starting and stopping repeatedly
    > > but YMMV.

    >


    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  18. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:10:00 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
    <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

    >On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:02:17 -0000, "Stewart"
    ><him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    >> Sorry to laboiur this but another question arises:-
    >> I know I can add 1 gb RAM and maybe even 2 GB. 3 is the max thaat the
    >> computer will take.

    >
    >If you say 3GB is the max, OK, but that's a pretty unusual number to
    >be a maximum.


    It wasn't uncommon for awhile to see motherboards with 3 DIMM slots. I
    don't see them much anymore.

    >> If I put in this extra RAM then is that likely to reduce the need for a new
    >> graphics card

    >
    >No. One has nothing to do with the other.
    >
    >Why do you think you have a need for a new graphics card?


    Alias floated that idea a bit earlier in the thread, but I see nothing
    to indicate that a new graphics card is needed.
     
  19. Stewart

    Stewart Flightless Bird

    There are 4 slots but when I look at Belerac advisor it lists 2 in use (each
    512 M8) and one empty. If I run the Crucial test then it likewise seems to
    indicate that I can only have 3GB in total. I am not bothered about 3 or 4,
    I know there are 4 slots and can try using them all if needed.
    Someone suggested that I would need a better graphics card to run Window7
    aero and then that brought up the question of my power unit - only 420 watts
    but it is a good one and very quiet.
    I am in the fortunate position that I can "play" around and if things don't
    work then I shall just buy a new desktop. My new laptop works Windows7
    great and can operate all my ancillaries including my Epson Perfection Photo
    scanner.

    "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
    news:eek:6k5p5hmlehn9qleg6h5h5vahu2elp8kg9@4ax.com...
    > On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:02:17 -0000, "Stewart"
    > <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    >> Sorry to laboiur this but another question arises:-
    >> I know I can add 1 gb RAM and maybe even 2 GB. 3 is the max thaat the
    >> computer will take.

    >
    >
    > If you say 3GB is the max, OK, but that's a pretty unusual number to
    > be a maximum.
    >
    >
    >> If I put in this extra RAM then is that likely to reduce the need for a
    >> new
    >> graphics card

    >
    >
    > No. One has nothing to do with the other.
    >
    > Why do you think you have a need for a new graphics card?
    >
    >
    >> doing it this way I can take it one stage at a time.
    >>
    >>
    >> "John McGaw" <Nobody@Nowh.ere> wrote in message
    >> news:Fzvkn.21437$Jq1.18722@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
    >> > On 3/5/2010 11:04 AM, Stewart wrote:
    >> >> I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to
    >> >> Windows
    >> >> 7
    >> >> fairly soon.
    >> >> I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.
    >> >> My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to
    >> >> a
    >> >> 500gb hard drive.
    >> >> My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    >> >> Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep
    >> >> both,
    >> >> running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.
    >> >> I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.
    >> >> What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used
    >> >> or
    >> >> not? If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK
    >> >> Thank you
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> > If the system operates stably with the present 425W supply then I'd
    >> > think
    >> > it would work fine with 1gB of added RAM and an extra HD. Typically the
    >> > RAM might consume 5W (at most) and the HD might consume 20W (at most).
    >> > If
    >> > the extra 25W of load causes problems then your PS is probably already
    >> > underpowered.
    >> >
    >> > As for always running, you can set the power-saving function in the
    >> > operating system to spin-down drives after some period of inactivity. I
    >> > don't do it since I don't like the drives starting and stopping
    >> > repeatedly
    >> > but YMMV.

    >>

    >
    > --
    > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  20. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:33:05 -0000, "Stewart"
    <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:

    > There are 4 slots but when I look at Belerac advisor it lists 2 in use (each
    > 512 M8) and one empty. If I run the Crucial test then it likewise seems to
    > indicate that I can only have 3GB in total. I am not bothered about 3 or 4,
    > I know there are 4 slots and can try using them all if needed.



    Bear two things in mind:

    1. Even 3GB is more than most people need for their applications, and
    going above that may not provide any discernable performance
    improvement.

    2. Even if you had 4GB, you couldn't use much more than 3GB of it.
    Here's the scoop:

    All 32-bit client versions of Windows (not just Vista/XP/7) have a 4GB
    address space (64-bit versions can use much more). That's the
    theoretical upper limit beyond which you can not go.

    But you can't use the entire 4GB of address space. Even though you
    have a 4GB address space, you can only use *around* 3.1GB of RAM.
    That's because some of that space is used by hardware and is not
    available to the operating system and applications. The amount you can
    use varies, depending on what hardware you have installed, but can
    range from as little as 2GB to as much as 3.5GB. It's usually around
    3.1GB.

    Note that the hardware is using the address *space*, not the actual
    RAM itself. If you have a greater amount of RAM, the rest of the RAM
    goes unused because there is no address space to map it to.


    > Someone suggested that I would need a better graphics card to run Window7
    > aero



    I don't know what your graphics card is, but even if the above is true
    (and my guess is that it's not true), aero is essentially just window
    dressing. I wouldn't worry about it a whole lot.


    > and then that brought up the question of my power unit - only 420 watts
    > but it is a good one and very quiet.



    You say "*only* 420 watts," but that's more power than most people
    have or need. As I think I said earlier, it's highly unlikely that you
    need any more.



    > I am in the fortunate position that I can "play" around and if things don't
    > work then I shall just buy a new desktop. My new laptop works Windows7
    > great and can operate all my ancillaries including my Epson Perfection Photo
    > scanner.



    You say you're going to Windows 7. I don't know whether a Windows 7
    driver exists for your scanner, but you should check at the Epson web
    site and find out.



    > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
    > news:eek:6k5p5hmlehn9qleg6h5h5vahu2elp8kg9@4ax.com...
    > > On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:02:17 -0000, "Stewart"
    > > <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Sorry to laboiur this but another question arises:-
    > >> I know I can add 1 gb RAM and maybe even 2 GB. 3 is the max thaat the
    > >> computer will take.

    > >
    > >
    > > If you say 3GB is the max, OK, but that's a pretty unusual number to
    > > be a maximum.
    > >
    > >
    > >> If I put in this extra RAM then is that likely to reduce the need for a
    > >> new
    > >> graphics card

    > >
    > >
    > > No. One has nothing to do with the other.
    > >
    > > Why do you think you have a need for a new graphics card?
    > >
    > >
    > >> doing it this way I can take it one stage at a time.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "John McGaw" <Nobody@Nowh.ere> wrote in message
    > >> news:Fzvkn.21437$Jq1.18722@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
    > >> > On 3/5/2010 11:04 AM, Stewart wrote:
    > >> >> I have a desk top running XP at present and intend to upgrade to
    > >> >> Windows
    > >> >> 7
    > >> >> fairly soon.
    > >> >> I shall buy an extra 1gb of DDR1 ram giving me total of 2gb.
    > >> >> My present maxtor hard drive is only 160gb and I want to change it to
    > >> >> a
    > >> >> 500gb hard drive.
    > >> >> My power unit is a Hiper 425watt and is very quiet running.
    > >> >> Should I remove the exisitng hard drive and replace or could I keep
    > >> >> both,
    > >> >> running the new one with Windows7 and the old with XP.
    > >> >> I am just a bit doubtful if there is enough power in the hiper unit.
    > >> >> What I wish to know is, does a hard drive run whether it is being used
    > >> >> or
    > >> >> not? If it does not then having both hard drives would probably be OK
    > >> >> Thank you
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> > If the system operates stably with the present 425W supply then I'd
    > >> > think
    > >> > it would work fine with 1gB of added RAM and an extra HD. Typically the
    > >> > RAM might consume 5W (at most) and the HD might consume 20W (at most).
    > >> > If
    > >> > the extra 25W of load causes problems then your PS is probably already
    > >> > underpowered.
    > >> >
    > >> > As for always running, you can set the power-saving function in the
    > >> > operating system to spin-down drives after some period of inactivity. I
    > >> > don't do it since I don't like the drives starting and stopping
    > >> > repeatedly
    > >> > but YMMV.
    > >>

    > >
    > > --
    > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

    >


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