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spamlet

Flightless Bird
All very well, but as my new WD drive is connected by usb it just comes out
as a generic drive so having downloaded the 260 meg odd WD version of
Acronis it just gets half way through installing before deciding I don't
have any WD products and leaving me with 260meg odd of rubbish to get rid of
somehow!

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"Roy Smith" <rasmith1959@live.com> wrote in message
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> One comment that bears mentioning about these free backup programs from
> Seagate/Maxtor and Western Digital... these programs have one stipulation
> in that you are required to have a drive from the respective manufacturer,
> or the program won't run. The program is basically Acronis True Image
> Home with several of the retail features removed such as incremental
> backups, scheduling, and the ability to mount a backup archive as a drive
> to name a few. The programs are available at:
>
> Maxtor:
> http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...toid=7add8b9c4a8ff010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD
> Seagate:
> http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...toid=d9fd4a3cdde5c010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD
> Western Digital:
> http://support.wdc.com/product/downloaddetail.asp?swid=119&wdc_lang=en
>
> (The Maxtor and Seagate lines may be word-wrapped)
>
>
> "Mark Adams" <MarkAdams@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6848B6CE-6428-4307-B780-3F8508662E12@microsoft.com...
>>
>>
>> "bk3000" wrote:
>>
>>> Mark, Alias, et al -
>>>
>>> Really appreciate the feedback. I like the idea of having an
>>> at-the-ready
>>> backup with an external hd, but it appears I could simply use the
>>> Acronis-powered free download/trial version utility from WD or Seagate
>>> to
>>> image the current hd and restore it to the new drive upon its' arrival.
>>> I'll
>>> definitely take a peek at the current going rate for external hds, also
>>> Acronis itself if I can't access the free version. I'm really not even
>>> going
>>> to inquire further about cloning, which seems to be a more intensive
>>> alternative/for different purposes than the imaging...?
>>>

>>
>>
>> If you do not buy the external hard drive, you will have to clone the old
>> hard drive to the new one. You will have to buy a 2.5 inch USB hard drive
>> enclosure to do this. Download the utility from the website of the maker
>> of
>> the new drive to your desktop machine and burn a bootable CD from the
>> download file. Put the new hard drive in the USB enclosure and connect to
>> the
>> laptop. Boot the laptop to the CD you just made and clone the old drive
>> to
>> the new one. When done, remove the CD from the drive and shut the laptop
>> down. Remove the old hard drive from the laptop and replace it with the
>> new
>> one, and you should be good to go. Keep the old drive for awhile until
>> you
>> are satisfied that all is well with the new installation.
>>
>> If you do buy the external drive, use the bootable disk to save an image
>> of
>> the old drive to the external drive. Then, put the new hard drive into
>> the
>> laptop and use the CD to restore the image to the new drive. You will now
>> have a backup image safely stored on the external drive, and the laptop
>> should be good to go.
>>
>> Acronis can do both of these functions and can also be installed to your
>> machine and make incrimental backups to the USB drive while Windows is
>> running. You can schedule those backups to be made at night while you are
>> asleep. A very useful program.
>>
>>
>>> My apologies about the mistaken identification of my separate PARTITION
>>> of
>>> the hd as a second drive - confusing it with my older desktop, though I
>>> had
>>> always thought they weren't part of the same hardware piece. Thanks for
>>> catching it.
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
>>> "Mark Adams" wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "bk3000" wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Machine is still running, though theoretically it could irreparably
>>> > > crash at
>>> > > any second, I've been told. It seemed close yesterday, in fact. Was
>>> > > considering spending the $ for a USB or external hard drive; I have
>>> > > a few
>>> > > flash drives but they won't be enough for the whole operation.
>>> > >
>>> > > How about my internal backup HD?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > You said this was a laptop. Laptops only have one hard drive. You
>>> > certainly
>>> > don't want to save anything to a separate partition of a hard drive
>>> > that you
>>> > already know is failing.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >Would it be smart to backup anything
>>> > > (documents, for instance) on there or even possible to use that as a
>>> > > mirror/image location of some sort?
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > Backup images are saved as one large file. The flash drives would have
>>> > to be
>>> > big enough to hold the whole file, or it won't work. You could
>>> > manually copy
>>> > your documents, pictures, music, and export your email and browser
>>> > bookmarks
>>> > to the flash drives if you have enough of them (I doubt it.) Cheaper
>>> > to get a
>>> > USB hard drive. Alias says Seagate's utility will make an image; I
>>> > assume it
>>> > can restore one to a new hard drive also. If so, you won't need the
>>> > Acronis.
>>> >
>>> > > Also curious about commenter Db at the bottom of the thread making
>>> > > the point
>>> > > about any bad sectors being recreated in any of these scenarios.
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > The bad sectors won't be recreated on the new drive, but any data on
>>> > those
>>> > sectors is probably lost and won't copy to the new drive. This could
>>> > include
>>> > critical operating system files and could crash or cause instability
>>> > to the
>>> > OS.
>>> >
>>> > > "Mark Adams" wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > "Alias" wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Mark Adams wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > "bk3000" wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >> I've got a Dell laptop running XP, and after running a
>>> > > > > >> diagnostic test, got
>>> > > > > >> error code 0146 that hard drive was corrupted. Dell is
>>> > > > > >> sending me a new one,
>>> > > > > >> which I'll have to self-install.
>>> > > > > >>
>>> > > > > >> I can't remember backing up my entire system ever, so my
>>> > > > > >> question is, how
>>> > > > > >> should I go about saving all my settings and programs on the
>>> > > > > >> current hard
>>> > > > > >> drive? I've got a backup drive of 20gb, so I'm guessing I
>>> > > > > >> should put it all
>>> > > > > >> there, and also a few flash drives, but what method should I
>>> > > > > >> use? Should I go
>>> > > > > >> to the C:/ drive system properties and select the backup
>>> > > > > >> option or do stuff
>>> > > > > >> manually?
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > If the machine still runs, Go out and buy Acronis True Image
>>> > > > > > and a 1 TB USB
>>> > > > > > hard drive. Boot the machine to the Acronis disk and make an
>>> > > > > > image of your
>>> > > > > > computer to the USB drive. When the new drive arrives from
>>> > > > > > Dell, restore that
>>> > > > > > image to the new drive. It might cost a little more to do it
>>> > > > > > this way, but it
>>> > > > > > is so much easier than reinstalling everything, it's worth it.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > You can also do the same thing for free with the CD you can
>>> > > > > download
>>> > > > > from Seagate, Western Digital, etc.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > --
>>> > > > > Alias
>>> > > > > .
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Alias, Bob.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > It's been awhile since I've used these utilities. Since I've
>>> > > > gotten Acronis
>>> > > > I've not had to use them. I know they can clone drives, but can
>>> > > > they make an
>>> > > > image? The OP has a laptop and since two hard drives cannot be
>>> > > > installed at
>>> > > > the same time, a USB enclosure would be needed to clone to the new
>>> > > > drive.
>>> > > > This would also eliminate the necessity of purchasing the external
>>> > > > hard
>>> > > > drive. But, by buying Acronis and the USB drive, the OP could
>>> > > > replace the
>>> > > > failing drive and also have a reliable backup system. Costs more,
>>> > > > but now he
>>> > > > can backup everything all in one shot.

>
>
>
 
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spamlet

Flightless Bird
How do you get the manufacturer to know you are using one of their drives
when it is connected by usb and only shows as a generic volume with no
manufacturer or device ID?

I downloaded WD's Acronis version but it won't install because it cannot see
any WD devices...

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"SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
news:4pSKn.17682$h57.232@newsfe22.iad...
> And so does Seagate/Maxtor. Seagate/Maxtor Disc Wizard by ATI:
> http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...toid=d9fd4a3cdde5c010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD
>
> You have to own one of the manufacturer's drives, but it doesn't have to
> be an internal drive; it can be an external USB/Firewire/eSATA drive. I
> use an external WD My Book for my images, and my internal drive is a
> Hitachi. By booting from the CD that's created with the program, the WD
> version works just fine.
> --
> SC Tom
>
> "Bob" <bob@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:htgq4j$v9r$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> WD offers a free copy of Acronis if you own one of their drives.
>> http://support.wdc.com/product/downloaddetail.asp?swid=119&type=download&wdc_lang=en
>>
>> "Mark Adams" <MarkAdams@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:FB3A0D66-8006-4018-B87E-CD66EFDDDAA0@microsoft.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> "bk3000" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got a Dell laptop running XP, and after running a diagnostic test,
>>>> got
>>>> error code 0146 that hard drive was corrupted. Dell is sending me a new
>>>> one,
>>>> which I'll have to self-install.
>>>>
>>>> I can't remember backing up my entire system ever, so my question is,
>>>> how
>>>> should I go about saving all my settings and programs on the current
>>>> hard
>>>> drive? I've got a backup drive of 20gb, so I'm guessing I should put it
>>>> all
>>>> there, and also a few flash drives, but what method should I use?
>>>> Should I go
>>>> to the C:/ drive system properties and select the backup option or do
>>>> stuff
>>>> manually?
>>>
>>> If the machine still runs, Go out and buy Acronis True Image and a 1 TB
>>> USB
>>> hard drive. Boot the machine to the Acronis disk and make an image of
>>> your
>>> computer to the USB drive. When the new drive arrives from Dell, restore
>>> that
>>> image to the new drive. It might cost a little more to do it this way,
>>> but it
>>> is so much easier than reinstalling everything, it's worth it.

>>

>
 
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SC Tom

Flightless Bird
If you have a WD external drive, hook it up first, then install the
software. That's what I did on my notebook with the Hitachi drive.
After you've installed it, use the option to create a boot CD. Once that's
created, you can boot from it on any system and create an image as long as,
a) there's an external WD drive connected, or b) there's an internal WD
drive. I like using the CD to create the image since it is done without
being within Windows- no OS changes are being made while the image is being
created like there would be from within the OS. I can create and verify a
120GB image in about 90 minutes that way.
--
SC Tom


"spamlet" <spam.morespam@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:-OWz95FCBLHA.5848@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> How do you get the manufacturer to know you are using one of their drives
> when it is connected by usb and only shows as a generic volume with no
> manufacturer or device ID?
>
> I downloaded WD's Acronis version but it won't install because it cannot
> see any WD devices...
>
> S
>
>
> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
> news:4pSKn.17682$h57.232@newsfe22.iad...
>> And so does Seagate/Maxtor. Seagate/Maxtor Disc Wizard by ATI:
>> http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...toid=d9fd4a3cdde5c010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD
>>
>> You have to own one of the manufacturer's drives, but it doesn't have to
>> be an internal drive; it can be an external USB/Firewire/eSATA drive. I
>> use an external WD My Book for my images, and my internal drive is a
>> Hitachi. By booting from the CD that's created with the program, the WD
>> version works just fine.
>> --
>> SC Tom
>>
>> "Bob" <bob@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:htgq4j$v9r$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> WD offers a free copy of Acronis if you own one of their drives.
>>> http://support.wdc.com/product/downloaddetail.asp?swid=119&type=download&wdc_lang=en
>>>
>>> "Mark Adams" <MarkAdams@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:FB3A0D66-8006-4018-B87E-CD66EFDDDAA0@microsoft.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "bk3000" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've got a Dell laptop running XP, and after running a diagnostic
>>>>> test, got
>>>>> error code 0146 that hard drive was corrupted. Dell is sending me a
>>>>> new one,
>>>>> which I'll have to self-install.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't remember backing up my entire system ever, so my question is,
>>>>> how
>>>>> should I go about saving all my settings and programs on the current
>>>>> hard
>>>>> drive? I've got a backup drive of 20gb, so I'm guessing I should put
>>>>> it all
>>>>> there, and also a few flash drives, but what method should I use?
>>>>> Should I go
>>>>> to the C:/ drive system properties and select the backup option or do
>>>>> stuff
>>>>> manually?
>>>>
>>>> If the machine still runs, Go out and buy Acronis True Image and a 1 TB
>>>> USB
>>>> hard drive. Boot the machine to the Acronis disk and make an image of
>>>> your
>>>> computer to the USB drive. When the new drive arrives from Dell,
>>>> restore that
>>>> image to the new drive. It might cost a little more to do it this way,
>>>> but it
>>>> is so much easier than reinstalling everything, it's worth it.
>>>

>>

>
>
 
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