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Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Stewart, Mar 8, 2010.

  1. Stewart

    Stewart Flightless Bird

    just to update; I bought a 1GB ram to-day and it installed no bother bowever
    the shop sold me an internal hard drive with a "Sata" connection instead of
    serial so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back to them and get
    them to sort it out. I had taken the ilustration of the hard drive with me
    and showed them that as well as saying that I had bought the power unit from
    them with the ribbon connections.
    They tell me I can get an adaptor but there does not seem to be anywhere in
    the motherboard to connect to. I have looked at Maplin's site but do not
    see a serial to sata adaptor.
    Will keep group undated.
     
  2. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:29:34 -0000, "Stewart"
    <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:

    >just to update; I bought a 1GB ram to-day and it installed no bother bowever
    >the shop sold me an internal hard drive with a "Sata" connection instead of
    >serial so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back to them and get
    >them to sort it out. I had taken the ilustration of the hard drive with me
    >and showed them that as well as saying that I had bought the power unit from
    >them with the ribbon connections.
    >They tell me I can get an adaptor but there does not seem to be anywhere in
    >the motherboard to connect to. I have looked at Maplin's site but do not
    >see a serial to sata adaptor.
    >Will keep group undated.


    Give us the make and model of your motherboard if you want
    confirmation of your board's capabilities. You can get that
    information by running the free Belarc Advisor.

    http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html
    http://www.belarc.com/Programs/advisor.exe

    If the board doesn't natively include any SATA ports, you can probably
    add a PCI card that provides multiple ports. Alternatively, if you
    have a free IDE port, (what you incorrectly called serial), then
    exchanging the drive will also work.
     
  3. Tim Slattery

    Tim Slattery Flightless Bird

    "Stewart" <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:

    >just to update; I bought a 1GB ram to-day and it installed no bother bowever
    >the shop sold me an internal hard drive with a "Sata" connection instead of
    >serial


    SATA is *Serial* ATA, so your motherboard probably uses the older
    Parallel ATA (PATA) connections.

    >so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back to them and get
    >them to sort it out. I had taken the ilustration of the hard drive with me
    >and showed them that as well as saying that I had bought the power unit from
    >them with the ribbon connections.
    >They tell me I can get an adaptor but there does not seem to be anywhere in
    >the motherboard to connect to.


    It would be a SATA to PATA adapter. I don't really understand your
    last line. There's got to be some kind of socket on your MB to connect
    a disk to. Either the smaller SATA or the longer PATA socket.

    --
    Tim Slattery
    Slattery_T@bls.gov
    http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
     
  4. Stewart

    Stewart Flightless Bird

    The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-7N400-L; as I said I bought this from
    Silicon in Edinburgh and to-day I showed them the illustration of the
    motherboard before I bought the hard drive - a Seagate Serial 250GB
    UDMA300.
    My Hiper power unit has 2 Sata connectors, they are flat in shape and I have
    fitted one of them to the flat pin of the hard drive, their colour wires are
    Orange, Black, Red, Black and Yellow.
    I do not seem to have connectors for the other 2 sockets on the hard drive;
    one of these has 4 flat pins and would need a boxed female connector, the
    other has 7 or 8 flat pins along the wall of a connector that would have to
    be fairly flat with a small cut upwards at one end.
    I do not know if that information will be of any assistance.
    Thank you.


    "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    news:chlap5dosk0kktk6jn4pkb5tue309610km@4ax.com...
    > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:29:34 -0000, "Stewart"
    > <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    >>just to update; I bought a 1GB ram to-day and it installed no bother
    >>bowever
    >>the shop sold me an internal hard drive with a "Sata" connection instead
    >>of
    >>serial so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back to them and
    >>get
    >>them to sort it out. I had taken the ilustration of the hard drive with
    >>me
    >>and showed them that as well as saying that I had bought the power unit
    >>from
    >>them with the ribbon connections.
    >>They tell me I can get an adaptor but there does not seem to be anywhere
    >>in
    >>the motherboard to connect to. I have looked at Maplin's site but do not
    >>see a serial to sata adaptor.
    >>Will keep group undated.

    >
    > Give us the make and model of your motherboard if you want
    > confirmation of your board's capabilities. You can get that
    > information by running the free Belarc Advisor.
    >
    > http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html
    > http://www.belarc.com/Programs/advisor.exe
    >
    > If the board doesn't natively include any SATA ports, you can probably
    > add a PCI card that provides multiple ports. Alternatively, if you
    > have a free IDE port, (what you incorrectly called serial), then
    > exchanging the drive will also work.
    >
     
  5. Stewart

    Stewart Flightless Bird

    Tim, I am a bit lost as you will see with this; if you go to this site
    http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=1672
    you will see a motherboard like mine.
    All 4 connectors are in use,



    "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
    news:97qap5t4rr952sojfd1eq7knvo7t9blc89@4ax.com...
    > "Stewart" <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    >>just to update; I bought a 1GB ram to-day and it installed no bother
    >>bowever
    >>the shop sold me an internal hard drive with a "Sata" connection instead
    >>of
    >>serial

    >
    > SATA is *Serial* ATA, so your motherboard probably uses the older
    > Parallel ATA (PATA) connections.
    >
    >>so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back to them and get
    >>them to sort it out. I had taken the ilustration of the hard drive with
    >>me
    >>and showed them that as well as saying that I had bought the power unit
    >>from
    >>them with the ribbon connections.
    >>They tell me I can get an adaptor but there does not seem to be anywhere
    >>in
    >>the motherboard to connect to.

    >
    > It would be a SATA to PATA adapter. I don't really understand your
    > last line. There's got to be some kind of socket on your MB to connect
    > a disk to. Either the smaller SATA or the longer PATA socket.
    >
    > --
    > Tim Slattery
    > Slattery_T@bls.gov
    > http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
     
  6. Gene E. Bloch

    Gene E. Bloch Flightless Bird

    The other (longer) flat connector is for power. The drive won't work
    without power.

    Find a suitable connector coming from your power supply. If your power
    supply doesn't have the flat one, use one of the huge 4-pin connectors
    (called Molex) on the white connector.

    You'll be a *lot* better off with the SATA power connector - the Molex
    connectors usually are extraordinarily hard to remove.

    Other have pointed out what SATA means :)

    On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:19:25 -0000, Stewart wrote:

    > The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-7N400-L; as I said I bought this from
    > Silicon in Edinburgh and to-day I showed them the illustration of the
    > motherboard before I bought the hard drive - a Seagate Serial 250GB
    > UDMA300.
    > My Hiper power unit has 2 Sata connectors, they are flat in shape and I have
    > fitted one of them to the flat pin of the hard drive, their colour wires are
    > Orange, Black, Red, Black and Yellow.
    > I do not seem to have connectors for the other 2 sockets on the hard drive;
    > one of these has 4 flat pins and would need a boxed female connector, the
    > other has 7 or 8 flat pins along the wall of a connector that would have to
    > be fairly flat with a small cut upwards at one end.
    > I do not know if that information will be of any assistance.
    > Thank you.
    >
    >
    > "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:chlap5dosk0kktk6jn4pkb5tue309610km@4ax.com...
    >> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:29:34 -0000, "Stewart"
    >> <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:
    >>
    >>>just to update; I bought a 1GB ram to-day and it installed no bother
    >>>bowever
    >>>the shop sold me an internal hard drive with a "Sata" connection instead
    >>>of
    >>>serial so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back to them and
    >>>get
    >>>them to sort it out. I had taken the ilustration of the hard drive with
    >>>me
    >>>and showed them that as well as saying that I had bought the power unit
    >>>from
    >>>them with the ribbon connections.
    >>>They tell me I can get an adaptor but there does not seem to be anywhere
    >>>in
    >>>the motherboard to connect to. I have looked at Maplin's site but do not
    >>>see a serial to sata adaptor.
    >>>Will keep group undated.

    >>
    >> Give us the make and model of your motherboard if you want
    >> confirmation of your board's capabilities. You can get that
    >> information by running the free Belarc Advisor.
    >>
    >> http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html
    >> http://www.belarc.com/Programs/advisor.exe
    >>
    >> If the board doesn't natively include any SATA ports, you can probably
    >> add a PCI card that provides multiple ports. Alternatively, if you
    >> have a free IDE port, (what you incorrectly called serial), then
    >> exchanging the drive will also work.
    >>



    --
    Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
     
  7. Spring Sprung

    Spring Sprung Flightless Bird

    It's a PATA only board - it uses harddrive conntectors that look like this:

    http://data-recovery.contentquake.com/files/2008/03/pata-connector.jpg

    If it had used SATA, - it doesn't -the connector would look like this:

    http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1276253/2/istockphoto_1276253_sata_connector.jpg

    Here's a picture of the two types together:

    http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u73/Matthew_Morrison/115629-2206P164_1B.jpg

    Anyway, your board has only PATA (IDE) connectors.

    If the harddrive is a SATA harddrive you need this in order to connect the
    harddrive:

    http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/393891/6685853/0/1219205655/IDE_to_SATA_ADAPTER.jpg

    Also, if your harddrive has only a SATA style power plug and your power
    supply doesn't have SATA style power plugs you may need one of these:

    http://www.satacables.com/assets/images/7inch-sata-power-adapter.jpg

    The above said, you might just return the harddrive in exchange for an PATA
    harddrive - but be forewarned, PATA drives may have gotten pricier in your
    area since demand has dropped.




    "Stewart" <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:hn3q16$jnq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > Tim, I am a bit lost as you will see with this; if you go to this site
    > http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=1672
    > you will see a motherboard like mine.
    > All 4 connectors are in use,
    >
    >
    >
    > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
    > news:97qap5t4rr952sojfd1eq7knvo7t9blc89@4ax.com...
    >> "Stewart" <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:
    >>
    >>>just to update; I bought a 1GB ram to-day and it installed no bother
    >>>bowever
    >>>the shop sold me an internal hard drive with a "Sata" connection instead
    >>>of
    >>>serial

    >>
    >> SATA is *Serial* ATA, so your motherboard probably uses the older
    >> Parallel ATA (PATA) connections.
    >>
    >>>so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back to them and get
    >>>them to sort it out. I had taken the ilustration of the hard drive with
    >>>me
    >>>and showed them that as well as saying that I had bought the power unit
    >>>from
    >>>them with the ribbon connections.
    >>>They tell me I can get an adaptor but there does not seem to be anywhere
    >>>in
    >>>the motherboard to connect to.

    >>
    >> It would be a SATA to PATA adapter. I don't really understand your
    >> last line. There's got to be some kind of socket on your MB to connect
    >> a disk to. Either the smaller SATA or the longer PATA socket.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Tim Slattery
    >> Slattery_T@bls.gov
    >> http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

    >
    >
     
  8. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:19:25 -0000, "Stewart"
    <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:

    >The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-7N400-L; as I said I bought this from
    >Silicon in Edinburgh and to-day I showed them the illustration of the
    >motherboard before I bought the hard drive - a Seagate Serial 250GB
    >UDMA300.
    >My Hiper power unit has 2 Sata connectors, they are flat in shape and I have
    >fitted one of them to the flat pin of the hard drive, their colour wires are
    >Orange, Black, Red, Black and Yellow.
    >I do not seem to have connectors for the other 2 sockets on the hard drive;
    >one of these has 4 flat pins and would need a boxed female connector, the
    >other has 7 or 8 flat pins along the wall of a connector that would have to
    >be fairly flat with a small cut upwards at one end.
    >I do not know if that information will be of any assistance.
    >Thank you.


    According to the picture on page 8 of your motherboard's manual, there
    are two SATA (data) connectors located between IDE 0/1 and IDE 2/3.
    Use either one of them (SATA-0 might be preferred) to connect your
    SATA data cable, and use either of the SATA power connectors as well.
    Your drive may have come with a SATA data cable. That's it, no jumpers
    to worry about. The drive should be recognized the next time you power
    up.

    http://europe.giga-byte.com/FileList/Manual/motherboard_manual_7n400pro2_e.pdf
     
  9. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:54:07 -0600, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
    wrote:

    >On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:19:25 -0000, "Stewart"
    ><him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    >>The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-7N400-L; as I said I bought this from
    >>Silicon in Edinburgh and to-day I showed them the illustration of the
    >>motherboard before I bought the hard drive - a Seagate Serial 250GB
    >>UDMA300.
    >>My Hiper power unit has 2 Sata connectors, they are flat in shape and I have
    >>fitted one of them to the flat pin of the hard drive, their colour wires are
    >>Orange, Black, Red, Black and Yellow.
    >>I do not seem to have connectors for the other 2 sockets on the hard drive;
    >>one of these has 4 flat pins and would need a boxed female connector, the
    >>other has 7 or 8 flat pins along the wall of a connector that would have to
    >>be fairly flat with a small cut upwards at one end.
    >>I do not know if that information will be of any assistance.
    >>Thank you.

    >
    >According to the picture on page 8 of your motherboard's manual, there
    >are two SATA (data) connectors located between IDE 0/1 and IDE 2/3.
    >Use either one of them (SATA-0 might be preferred) to connect your
    >SATA data cable, and use either of the SATA power connectors as well.
    >Your drive may have come with a SATA data cable. That's it, no jumpers
    >to worry about. The drive should be recognized the next time you power
    >up.
    >
    >http://europe.giga-byte.com/FileList/Manual/motherboard_manual_7n400pro2_e.pdf


    Oops, your manual covers multiple motherboard models and I looked at
    the wrong page. Sorry, but it looks like your specific board does NOT
    have SATA connectors after all.

    Others have correctly pointed out your options. Either exchange the
    drive for an IDE (PATA) model or get the necessary adapters.
     
  10. Spring Sprung

    Spring Sprung Flightless Bird

    The specs from the link he gave to the website didn't include SATA, but the
    PDF says there's two .. he will have to check. If he has SATA connectors,
    all's good.



    "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hjvap5ti708nv3vdnpjncq5omdl9vtt7eh@4ax.com...
    > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:19:25 -0000, "Stewart"
    > <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    >>The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-7N400-L; as I said I bought this from
    >>Silicon in Edinburgh and to-day I showed them the illustration of the
    >>motherboard before I bought the hard drive - a Seagate Serial 250GB
    >>UDMA300.
    >>My Hiper power unit has 2 Sata connectors, they are flat in shape and I
    >>have
    >>fitted one of them to the flat pin of the hard drive, their colour wires
    >>are
    >>Orange, Black, Red, Black and Yellow.
    >>I do not seem to have connectors for the other 2 sockets on the hard
    >>drive;
    >>one of these has 4 flat pins and would need a boxed female connector, the
    >>other has 7 or 8 flat pins along the wall of a connector that would have
    >>to
    >>be fairly flat with a small cut upwards at one end.
    >>I do not know if that information will be of any assistance.
    >>Thank you.

    >
    > According to the picture on page 8 of your motherboard's manual, there
    > are two SATA (data) connectors located between IDE 0/1 and IDE 2/3.
    > Use either one of them (SATA-0 might be preferred) to connect your
    > SATA data cable, and use either of the SATA power connectors as well.
    > Your drive may have come with a SATA data cable. That's it, no jumpers
    > to worry about. The drive should be recognized the next time you power
    > up.
    >
    > http://europe.giga-byte.com/FileList/Manual/motherboard_manual_7n400pro2_e.pdf
    >
     
  11. Spring Sprung

    Spring Sprung Flightless Bird

    OK, there's probably no SATA connectors on the mobo.


    "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hjvap5ti708nv3vdnpjncq5omdl9vtt7eh@4ax.com...
    > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:19:25 -0000, "Stewart"
    > <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    >>The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-7N400-L; as I said I bought this from
    >>Silicon in Edinburgh and to-day I showed them the illustration of the
    >>motherboard before I bought the hard drive - a Seagate Serial 250GB
    >>UDMA300.
    >>My Hiper power unit has 2 Sata connectors, they are flat in shape and I
    >>have
    >>fitted one of them to the flat pin of the hard drive, their colour wires
    >>are
    >>Orange, Black, Red, Black and Yellow.
    >>I do not seem to have connectors for the other 2 sockets on the hard
    >>drive;
    >>one of these has 4 flat pins and would need a boxed female connector, the
    >>other has 7 or 8 flat pins along the wall of a connector that would have
    >>to
    >>be fairly flat with a small cut upwards at one end.
    >>I do not know if that information will be of any assistance.
    >>Thank you.

    >
    > According to the picture on page 8 of your motherboard's manual, there
    > are two SATA (data) connectors located between IDE 0/1 and IDE 2/3.
    > Use either one of them (SATA-0 might be preferred) to connect your
    > SATA data cable, and use either of the SATA power connectors as well.
    > Your drive may have come with a SATA data cable. That's it, no jumpers
    > to worry about. The drive should be recognized the next time you power
    > up.
    >
    > http://europe.giga-byte.com/FileList/Manual/motherboard_manual_7n400pro2_e.pdf
    >
     
  12. philo

    philo Flightless Bird

    Stewart wrote:
    > just to update; I bought a 1GB ram to-day and it installed no bother bowever
    > the shop sold me an internal hard drive with a "Sata" connection instead of
    > serial so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back to them and get
    > them to sort it out. I had taken the ilustration of the hard drive with me
    > and showed them that as well as saying that I had bought the power unit from
    > them with the ribbon connections.
    > They tell me I can get an adaptor but there does not seem to be anywhere in
    > the motherboard to connect to. I have looked at Maplin's site but do not
    > see a serial to sata adaptor.
    > Will keep group undated.
    >
    >

    SATA is serial ATA
    so you should be fine unless you have an old IDE/ATA mobo
     
  13. Patrick Keenan

    Patrick Keenan Flightless Bird

    "Stewart" <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:hn3j57$35f$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > just to update; I bought a 1GB ram to-day and it installed no bother
    > bowever the shop sold me an internal hard drive with a "Sata" connection
    > instead of serial so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back to
    > them and get them to sort it out. I had taken the ilustration of the hard
    > drive with me and showed them that as well as saying that I had bought the
    > power unit from them with the ribbon connections.
    > They tell me I can get an adaptor but there does not seem to be anywhere
    > in the motherboard to connect to. I have looked at Maplin's site but do
    > not see a serial to sata adaptor.
    > Will keep group undated.


    As others have pointed out, your motherboard apparently does not support
    serial - which *is* SATA - drives.

    You want PATA, sometimes called IDE, drives. These drives have a 40-pin
    connector, which looks nothing like the SATA connector.

    And there's really only the two types of drive connector.

    Take this one back, and say you need the other type. That's pretty much
    all you need to understand, at least until you get the drive home and have
    to set the jumpers.

    HTH
    -pk
     
  14. R. C. White

    R. C. White Flightless Bird

    Hi, Stewart.

    Here is my motherboard:
    http://www.epox.com/showimage.asp?ID=EP-MF570SLI

    It's 3 years old and the maker, EPoX, has gone out of business, but this
    photo clearly illustrates the difference between PATA and SATA connectors.

    On this mobo, there is ONE 40-pin PATA connector, turned vertically near the
    left edge and colored yellow. (Not the yellow floppy drive connector along
    the bottom edge.) This Parallel ATA connector type has been called IDE for
    a dozen years or so. The mobo also has SIX SATA connectors, all grouped
    near the bottom edge, just below the large square fan. Note that these
    connectors are quite different. There's no way to confuse PATA connectors
    with SATA connectors! The motherboard you've pointed to has NO SATA
    connectors at all that I can see. Just 2 or 4(?) PATA connectors; 2 of the
    4 are probably for floppy drives or optical drives.

    The cables to the drives also are quite different. No way to confuse SATA's
    narrow 5/8" cables with PATA's 2" wide ones. Power connectors and cables
    are different, too.

    >>>so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back to them and get
    >>>them to sort it out.


    That's definitely the right solution. And it would be a good idea to take
    along a friend who knows what a SATA cable should look like. And take along
    your HDD, not just a photo of it, to be sure that you can connect both data
    and power cables.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX
    rc@grandecom.net
    Microsoft Windows MVP
    Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

    "Stewart" <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:hn3q16$jnq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > Tim, I am a bit lost as you will see with this; if you go to this site
    > http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=1672
    > you will see a motherboard like mine.
    > All 4 connectors are in use,
    >
    >
    >
    > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
    > news:97qap5t4rr952sojfd1eq7knvo7t9blc89@4ax.com...
    >> "Stewart" <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote:
    >>
    >>>just to update; I bought a 1GB ram to-day and it installed no bother
    >>>bowever
    >>>the shop sold me an internal hard drive with a "Sata" connection instead
    >>>of
    >>>serial

    >>
    >> SATA is *Serial* ATA, so your motherboard probably uses the older
    >> Parallel ATA (PATA) connections.
    >>
    >>>so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back to them and get
    >>>them to sort it out. I had taken the ilustration of the hard drive with
    >>>me
    >>>and showed them that as well as saying that I had bought the power unit
    >>>from
    >>>them with the ribbon connections.
    >>>They tell me I can get an adaptor but there does not seem to be anywhere
    >>>in
    >>>the motherboard to connect to.

    >>
    >> It would be a SATA to PATA adapter. I don't really understand your
    >> last line. There's got to be some kind of socket on your MB to connect
    >> a disk to. Either the smaller SATA or the longer PATA socket.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Tim Slattery
     
  15. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 23:09:51 -0600, "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net>
    wrote:

    >Hi, Stewart.
    >
    >Here is my motherboard:
    >http://www.epox.com/showimage.asp?ID=EP-MF570SLI
    >
    >On this mobo, there is ONE 40-pin PATA connector, turned vertically near the
    >left edge and colored yellow. (Not the yellow floppy drive connector along
    >the bottom edge.) This Parallel ATA connector type has been called IDE for
    >a dozen years or so. The mobo also has SIX SATA connectors, all grouped


    There seem to be two more SATA connectors (for a total of 8) up
    between the card slots. Good to know in case you've got the first 6
    populated and need more.

    >near the bottom edge, just below the large square fan. Note that these
    >connectors are quite different. There's no way to confuse PATA connectors
    >with SATA connectors! The motherboard you've pointed to has NO SATA
    >connectors at all that I can see. Just 2 or 4(?) PATA connectors; 2 of the
    >4 are probably for floppy drives or optical drives.


    IDE/PATA can't be used for floppy drives, but they can be mixed and
    matched between hard drives and optical drives. No difference between
    those two drive types.

    >>>>so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back to them and get
    >>>>them to sort it out.

    >
    >That's definitely the right solution. And it would be a good idea to take
    >along a friend who knows what a SATA cable should look like. And take along
    >your HDD, not just a photo of it, to be sure that you can connect both data
    >and power cables.


    Totally agreed. :)
     
  16. R. C. White

    R. C. White Flightless Bird

    HI, Char.

    > There seem to be two more SATA connectors (for a total of 8)


    Yes, there are two eSATA connectors for external HDs, but I didn't want to
    add more complications into the mix. Besides, I've never used eSATA.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX
    rc@grandecom.net
    Microsoft Windows MVP
    Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

    "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    news:p7ubp59kpmn2d9kuojc9aie86pmforh0ka@4ax.com...
    > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 23:09:51 -0600, "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Hi, Stewart.
    >>
    >>Here is my motherboard:
    >>http://www.epox.com/showimage.asp?ID=EP-MF570SLI
    >>
    >>On this mobo, there is ONE 40-pin PATA connector, turned vertically near
    >>the
    >>left edge and colored yellow. (Not the yellow floppy drive connector
    >>along
    >>the bottom edge.) This Parallel ATA connector type has been called IDE
    >>for
    >>a dozen years or so. The mobo also has SIX SATA connectors, all grouped

    >
    > There seem to be two more SATA connectors (for a total of 8) up
    > between the card slots. Good to know in case you've got the first 6
    > populated and need more.
    >
    >>near the bottom edge, just below the large square fan. Note that these
    >>connectors are quite different. There's no way to confuse PATA connectors
    >>with SATA connectors! The motherboard you've pointed to has NO SATA
    >>connectors at all that I can see. Just 2 or 4(?) PATA connectors; 2 of
    >>the
    >>4 are probably for floppy drives or optical drives.

    >
    > IDE/PATA can't be used for floppy drives, but they can be mixed and
    > matched between hard drives and optical drives. No difference between
    > those two drive types.
    >
    >>>>>so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back to them and get
    >>>>>them to sort it out.

    >>
    >>That's definitely the right solution. And it would be a good idea to take
    >>along a friend who knows what a SATA cable should look like. And take
    >>along
    >>your HDD, not just a photo of it, to be sure that you can connect both
    >>data
    >>and power cables.

    >
    > Totally agreed. :)
     
  17. Stewart

    Stewart Flightless Bird

    Thanks everybody, I am getting there.
    Took the drive back to-day and they changed it for the correct type so now
    fitted and ready to go.
    I am typing this on laptop as still deciding how to format disk etc.
    I have looked up the maxtor and western digital hard drive info to see how
    the jumpers should be set; I want the new drive to be the master and old one
    to be slave.
    I am waiting for my son to advice me on setting up the new drive.
    Obviously the old drive has always been the C drive and I am not sure when
    formatting the new drive whether to call it C or D - my cd drives would then
    become E and F.
    The problem with that is that all the programmes etc in the old drive are
    filed under C - something.
    Once I have Windows7 up and running I shall let you know - it has been a
    learning process thanks to you.



    "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
    news:wradnUuh0OwqVQjWnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@supernews.com...
    > "Stewart" <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:hn3j57$35f$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >> just to update; I bought a 1GB ram to-day and it installed no bother
    >> bowever the shop sold me an internal hard drive with a "Sata" connection
    >> instead of serial so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back
    >> to them and get them to sort it out. I had taken the ilustration of the
    >> hard drive with me and showed them that as well as saying that I had
    >> bought the power unit from them with the ribbon connections.
    >> They tell me I can get an adaptor but there does not seem to be anywhere
    >> in the motherboard to connect to. I have looked at Maplin's site but do
    >> not see a serial to sata adaptor.
    >> Will keep group undated.

    >
    > As others have pointed out, your motherboard apparently does not support
    > serial - which *is* SATA - drives.
    >
    > You want PATA, sometimes called IDE, drives. These drives have a
    > 40-pin connector, which looks nothing like the SATA connector.
    >
    > And there's really only the two types of drive connector.
    >
    > Take this one back, and say you need the other type. That's pretty much
    > all you need to understand, at least until you get the drive home and have
    > to set the jumpers.
    >
    > HTH
    > -pk
     
  18. Stewart

    Stewart Flightless Bird

    Question answered, I am setting the new drive as slave and then install
    Windows 7 on it, later on will change start up order.



    "Stewart" <anyone@supanet.com> wrote in message
    news:hn64ac$99u$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > Thanks everybody, I am getting there.
    > Took the drive back to-day and they changed it for the correct type so now
    > fitted and ready to go.
    > I am typing this on laptop as still deciding how to format disk etc.
    > I have looked up the maxtor and western digital hard drive info to see how
    > the jumpers should be set; I want the new drive to be the master and old
    > one to be slave.
    > I am waiting for my son to advice me on setting up the new drive.
    > Obviously the old drive has always been the C drive and I am not sure when
    > formatting the new drive whether to call it C or D - my cd drives would
    > then become E and F.
    > The problem with that is that all the programmes etc in the old drive are
    > filed under C - something.
    > Once I have Windows7 up and running I shall let you know - it has been a
    > learning process thanks to you.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
    > news:wradnUuh0OwqVQjWnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@supernews.com...
    >> "Stewart" <him@invalid.supanet.co.uk> wrote in message
    >> news:hn3j57$35f$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>> just to update; I bought a 1GB ram to-day and it installed no bother
    >>> bowever the shop sold me an internal hard drive with a "Sata" connection
    >>> instead of serial so I shall probably have to take the whole thing back
    >>> to them and get them to sort it out. I had taken the ilustration of the
    >>> hard drive with me and showed them that as well as saying that I had
    >>> bought the power unit from them with the ribbon connections.
    >>> They tell me I can get an adaptor but there does not seem to be anywhere
    >>> in the motherboard to connect to. I have looked at Maplin's site but do
    >>> not see a serial to sata adaptor.
    >>> Will keep group undated.

    >>
    >> As others have pointed out, your motherboard apparently does not support
    >> serial - which *is* SATA - drives.
    >>
    >> You want PATA, sometimes called IDE, drives. These drives have a
    >> 40-pin connector, which looks nothing like the SATA connector.
    >>
    >> And there's really only the two types of drive connector.
    >>
    >> Take this one back, and say you need the other type. That's pretty much
    >> all you need to understand, at least until you get the drive home and
    >> have to set the jumpers.
    >>
    >> HTH
    >> -pk

    >
     
  19. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 07:34:18 -0600, "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net>
    wrote:

    >HI, Char.
    >
    >> There seem to be two more SATA connectors (for a total of 8)

    >
    >Yes, there are two eSATA connectors for external HDs, but I didn't want to
    >add more complications into the mix. Besides, I've never used eSATA.
    >
    >RC


    Actually, they are plain SATA, not eSATA.
     
  20. R. C. White

    R. C. White Flightless Bird

    Hi, Char.

    You probably are right. As I said, I've never used them. Someone long ago
    commented they were eSATA and I never questioned it. Especially since my
    User's Manual says that these two "optional" connectors "enable you to
    connect Serial ATA HDDs or optical drives type with e-SATA." The wording
    for the first 6 connectors is identical - but without those last 2 words. I
    just now took the cover off and looked at the mobo: they sure look like the
    other SATA connectors to me. ;^}

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX
    rc@grandecom.net
    Microsoft Windows MVP
    Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

    "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    news:28idp5p0bh5nnk1ho486amls9k40v3nnih@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 07:34:18 -0600, "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>HI, Char.
    >>
    >>> There seem to be two more SATA connectors (for a total of 8)

    >>
    >>Yes, there are two eSATA connectors for external HDs, but I didn't want to
    >>add more complications into the mix. Besides, I've never used eSATA.
    >>
    >>RC

    >
    > Actually, they are plain SATA, not eSATA.
     

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