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GPU pcie very slowly before post and win7 start's

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Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:24:35 +0200, Alias wrote:

> On 8/27/2010 1:08 AM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:33:17 +0200, Alias wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/26/2010 8:30 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:13:08 +0200, Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/26/2010 7:51 PM, Esteve Valentí wrote:
>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I has changed one GPU
>>>>>
>>>>> How, precisely, did you do that?
>>>>
>>>> By replacing a video card?
>>>>
>>>> I think the OP has just enough problems with English to make what he
>>>> wrote confusing, and he probably only means he has changed his graphics
>>>> card.
>>>>
>>>> I can't be sure, of course.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My question wasn't what but how.

>>
>> Your question was rather ambiguous.
>>
>> For instance, it might have meant "How can you change a GPU which is
>> built-in to the motherboard?"
>>
>> After all, changing a graphics card is such a simple operation that the
>> question "how" makes little sense.
>>

>
> I usually uninstall the old one in device manager first. What do you do,
> just swap them out and not uninstall the drivers for the one you're
> replacing?


I'm immune these days: everything in the house for at least the last
five years has had video built into the motherboard.

I got tired of dealing with DIY (although I miss some of it), and the
other computer user in the house never wanted DIY in the first place.

The video speed is OK as long as I type slowly.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:34:12 +0200, Esteve Valentí wrote:

> Esteve Valentí a couché sur son écran :
>> Hello.
>>
>> I has changed one GPU and whe the computer begins start, before starts the
>> windows 7, the characters appears very slowly on the screen, and pass more
>> than one minute to can access to the bios.
>>
>> The GPU it's an ASUS EN210 GeForce 210 (Nvidia)
>>
>> The motherboard it's an ASUS P5VD2-X
>>
>> How I can solve this problem?
>>
>> Maybe the GPU it's not compatible with this motherborard?
>> Maybe I need to change the bios gpu clock settings?
>>
>> Any help are wellcome.
>> Thank You !

>
> Sorry for my english...
>
> The GPU is a PCIe x16 and i'm shure the computer problem is the PCIe
> because installing another more old and simple the computer start's
> right.
>
> Is not a windows 7 problem or drivers problem, because the problem with
> the slow ascii characters in the screen is before the windows starts...
> during the post... and then, when I can access to the bios this run's
> right... but pass more than one minute (character by character in the
> screen) before I can acces to the bios... and start the windows is not
> possible.
>
> Thank You !!!
> And sorry for my english...


Your English works OK for me :)

I can only think of two things:

Can you try a different video card, say a card you can borrow from a
friend?

Are there extra power supply cables required to power the new card? I
haven't dealt with video cards recently, so I forget the requirements
and the number of pins, but I do recall that many video cards require
them, especially more advanced or powerful cards.

A third thing just occurred to me:
Are there relevant BIOS settings? This would include settings for two
parallel cards versus one single card that might be set wrong, plus more
than I know.

And a fourth: Do you have on-board video? You should disabled it (this
should be in the BIOS).

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
 
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Esteve Valentí

Flightless Bird
Gene E. Bloch avait soumis l'idée :
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:34:12 +0200, Esteve Valentí wrote:
>
>> Esteve Valentí a couché sur son écran :
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> I has changed one GPU and whe the computer begins start, before starts the
>>> windows 7, the characters appears very slowly on the screen, and pass more
>>> than one minute to can access to the bios.
>>>
>>> The GPU it's an ASUS EN210 GeForce 210 (Nvidia)
>>>
>>> The motherboard it's an ASUS P5VD2-X
>>>
>>> How I can solve this problem?
>>>
>>> Maybe the GPU it's not compatible with this motherborard?
>>> Maybe I need to change the bios gpu clock settings?
>>>
>>> Any help are wellcome.
>>> Thank You !

>>
>> Sorry for my english...
>>
>> The GPU is a PCIe x16 and i'm shure the computer problem is the PCIe
>> because installing another more old and simple the computer start's
>> right.
>>
>> Is not a windows 7 problem or drivers problem, because the problem with
>> the slow ascii characters in the screen is before the windows starts...
>> during the post... and then, when I can access to the bios this run's
>> right... but pass more than one minute (character by character in the
>> screen) before I can acces to the bios... and start the windows is not
>> possible.
>>
>> Thank You !!!
>> And sorry for my english...

>
> Your English works OK for me :)
>
> I can only think of two things:
>
> Can you try a different video card, say a card you can borrow from a
> friend?


Yes... with a Point Of View nVidia GeForce 7300 SE it run's fine.

>
> Are there extra power supply cables required to power the new card? I
> haven't dealt with video cards recently, so I forget the requirements
> and the number of pins, but I do recall that many video cards require
> them, especially more advanced or powerful cards.


Not... there aren't

>
> A third thing just occurred to me:
> Are there relevant BIOS settings? This would include settings for two
> parallel cards versus one single card that might be set wrong, plus more
> than I know.


Not... only accepts one pcie card.
But in Syncronous and Asinconous mode ???
Betwen 266 to 350 (speed?)
And some different percentages

But really I do not understand this items.
I think the maxium of gpu speed can be 350x2 and
this GPU it's 800Ghz ???

>
> And a fourth: Do you have on-board video? You should disabled it (this
> should be in the BIOS).


Not on-board video.

Thank you so mutch.

Bye !
 
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Alias

Flightless Bird
On 8/27/2010 4:39 PM, Colon Oscopy wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:i56q5q$joh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 8/26/2010 10:04 PM, Colon Oscopy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:i56c1m$cps$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On 8/26/2010 8:30 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:13:08 +0200, Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/26/2010 7:51 PM, Esteve Valentí wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I has changed one GPU
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How, precisely, did you do that?
>>>>>
>>>>> By replacing a video card?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the OP has just enough problems with English to make what he
>>>>> wrote confusing, and he probably only means he has changed his
>>>>> graphics
>>>>> card.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't be sure, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My question wasn't what but how.
>>>>
>>> You're too stupid to figure it out. No wonder, you use Mint! He fucking
>>> switched it you douche bag.

>>
>> With or without uninstalling the previous GPU? Hello.
>>
>> --
>> Alias

>
> Think real hard and you might come up with the correct answer! LOL!
>
>
>


I know the answer. Do you?

--
Alias
 
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Death

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:

> On 8/27/2010 4:39 PM, Colon Oscopy wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:i56q5q$joh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 8/26/2010 10:04 PM, Colon Oscopy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:i56c1m$cps$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> On 8/26/2010 8:30 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:13:08 +0200, Alias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/26/2010 7:51 PM, Esteve Valentí wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I has changed one GPU
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How, precisely, did you do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By replacing a video card?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the OP has just enough problems with English to make what he
>>>>>> wrote confusing, and he probably only means he has changed his
>>>>>> graphics
>>>>>> card.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't be sure, of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My question wasn't what but how.
>>>>>
>>>> You're too stupid to figure it out. No wonder, you use Mint! He fucking
>>>> switched it you douche bag.
>>>
>>> With or without uninstalling the previous GPU? Hello.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias

>>
>> Think real hard and you might come up with the correct answer! LOL!
>>
>>
>>

>
> I know the answer. Do you?
>


I do.
With the current computer prices, its easier to get a brand new PC.
Renting a crane gets expensive pretty quick.
Except for you.
You probably own a couple of cranes, a yacht, and more than 3 pair of
socks.

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
See in-line below.

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:12:24 +0200, Esteve Valentí wrote:

> Gene E. Bloch avait soumis l'idée :
>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:34:12 +0200, Esteve Valentí wrote:
>>
>>> Esteve Valentí a couché sur son écran :
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>> I has changed one GPU and whe the computer begins start, before starts the
>>>> windows 7, the characters appears very slowly on the screen, and pass more
>>>> than one minute to can access to the bios.
>>>>
>>>> The GPU it's an ASUS EN210 GeForce 210 (Nvidia)
>>>>
>>>> The motherboard it's an ASUS P5VD2-X
>>>>
>>>> How I can solve this problem?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the GPU it's not compatible with this motherborard?
>>>> Maybe I need to change the bios gpu clock settings?
>>>>
>>>> Any help are wellcome.
>>>> Thank You !
>>>
>>> Sorry for my english...
>>>
>>> The GPU is a PCIe x16 and i'm shure the computer problem is the PCIe
>>> because installing another more old and simple the computer start's
>>> right.
>>>
>>> Is not a windows 7 problem or drivers problem, because the problem with
>>> the slow ascii characters in the screen is before the windows starts...
>>> during the post... and then, when I can access to the bios this run's
>>> right... but pass more than one minute (character by character in the
>>> screen) before I can acces to the bios... and start the windows is not
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Thank You !!!
>>> And sorry for my english...

>>
>> Your English works OK for me :)
>>
>> I can only think of two things:
>>
>> Can you try a different video card, say a card you can borrow from a
>> friend?

>
> Yes... with a Point Of View nVidia GeForce 7300 SE it run's fine.


Possilby then your card is not compatible with your motherboard :-(

>> Are there extra power supply cables required to power the new card? I
>> haven't dealt with video cards recently, so I forget the requirements
>> and the number of pins, but I do recall that many video cards require
>> them, especially more advanced or powerful cards.

>
> Not... there aren't


Good.

>> A third thing just occurred to me:
>> Are there relevant BIOS settings? This would include settings for two
>> parallel cards versus one single card that might be set wrong, plus more
>> than I know.

>
> Not... only accepts one pcie card.


Good.

> But in Syncronous and Asinconous mode ???
> Betwen 266 to 350 (speed?)
> And some different percentages
>
> But really I do not understand this items.
> I think the maxium of gpu speed can be 350x2 and
> this GPU it's 800Ghz ???


Unfortunately I don't understand either. Perhaps the nVidia site has
some information, or the Asus site.

>> And a fourth: Do you have on-board video? You should disabled it (this
>> should be in the BIOS).

>
> Not on-board video.


Also good.

> Thank you so mutch.
>
> Bye !


Good luck. Maybe you should try a different card if the problem is never
solved.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
 
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Paul

Flightless Bird
Esteve Valentí wrote:
> Gene E. Bloch avait soumis l'idée :
>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:34:12 +0200, Esteve Valentí wrote:
>>
>>> Esteve Valentí a couché sur son écran :
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>> I has changed one GPU and whe the computer begins start, before
>>>> starts the windows 7, the characters appears very slowly on the
>>>> screen, and pass more than one minute to can access to the bios.
>>>>
>>>> The GPU it's an ASUS EN210 GeForce 210 (Nvidia)
>>>>
>>>> The motherboard it's an ASUS P5VD2-X
>>>>
>>>> How I can solve this problem?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the GPU it's not compatible with this motherborard?
>>>> Maybe I need to change the bios gpu clock settings?
>>>>
>>>> Any help are wellcome.
>>>> Thank You !
>>>
>>> Sorry for my english...
>>>
>>> The GPU is a PCIe x16 and i'm shure the computer problem is the PCIe
>>> because installing another more old and simple the computer start's
>>> right.
>>>
>>> Is not a windows 7 problem or drivers problem, because the problem
>>> with the slow ascii characters in the screen is before the windows
>>> starts... during the post... and then, when I can access to the bios
>>> this run's right... but pass more than one minute (character by
>>> character in the screen) before I can acces to the bios... and start
>>> the windows is not possible.
>>>
>>> Thank You !!!
>>> And sorry for my english...

>>
>> Your English works OK for me :)
>>
>> I can only think of two things:
>>
>> Can you try a different video card, say a card you can borrow from a
>> friend?

>
> Yes... with a Point Of View nVidia GeForce 7300 SE it run's fine.
>
>>
>> Are there extra power supply cables required to power the new card? I
>> haven't dealt with video cards recently, so I forget the requirements
>> and the number of pins, but I do recall that many video cards require
>> them, especially more advanced or powerful cards.

>
> Not... there aren't
>
>>
>> A third thing just occurred to me:
>> Are there relevant BIOS settings? This would include settings for two
>> parallel cards versus one single card that might be set wrong, plus more
>> than I know.

>
> Not... only accepts one pcie card.
> But in Syncronous and Asinconous mode ???
> Betwen 266 to 350 (speed?)
> And some different percentages
>
> But really I do not understand this items.
> I think the maxium of gpu speed can be 350x2 and
> this GPU it's 800Ghz ???
>
>>
>> And a fourth: Do you have on-board video? You should disabled it (this
>> should be in the BIOS).

>
> Not on-board video.
>
> Thank you so mutch.
>
> Bye !
>


This is a common problem with that GPU from Nvidia (it happens to more
than one brand of video card, so is not card manufacturer specific in
nature). There is a long article here about it.

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=150630

A respondent from Nvidia, claims the slowness is caused by
caching for the video card memory space.

http://nvidia.s3.amazonaws.com/msd.zip

"System Information
Memory Information
Physical memory cache status
A0000~D0000 uncacheable (MTRR setting)

If you see A0000~D0000 is uncacheable, that mean that the motherboard BIOS
does not have MTRR enabled and is likely the cause of the slow POST issue.

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=21103

For what it's worth, the version of the video BIOS which contains
the workaround is 70.18.36.00.00.

"

It does not appear that Asus offers a fix. Contact Asus Tech Support and perhaps
they will email a fix to you, if one is available. They may not want to put
an updated VBIOS (video card BIOS file) on the web site. There is a contact
address below - replace the " at " in the address with "@".

"Anyone else also having this issue with an ASUS G210/GT220,
please contact us at OC_Support at asus.com

Please provide the part number and PCBA number of your VGA card which
can be found on the barcode sticker on your VGA card. An example
illustration of what the part number and PCBA will look like is below.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2351/partnumber.jpg

"

Using such a video BIOS file, means flash updating the BIOS chip on the video
card itself. There is some danger this may not work. When I flash updated
my old ATI video card, I used a PCI video card to watch the screen, when
the AGP video card was getting its BIOS chip flash updated. I don't know
whether the Asus VBIOS update will require a second video card to be
present or not.

No respondent in the above forums.nvidia.com thread, has successfully received
a VBIOS update, as of July 29, 2010. It looks pretty hopeless. It is
still worthwhile to email "OC_Support" so they know you have the
problem too.

HTH,
Paul
 
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Esteve Valentí

Flightless Bird
>
>> But in Syncronous and Asinconous mode ???
>> Betwen 266 to 350 (speed?)
>> And some different percentages
>>
>> But really I do not understand this items.
>> I think the maxium of gpu speed can be 350x2 and
>> this GPU it's 800Ghz ???

>
> Unfortunately I don't understand either. Perhaps the nVidia site has
> some information, or the Asus site.
>
>>> And a fourth: Do you have on-board video? You should disabled it (this
>>> should be in the BIOS).

>>
>> Not on-board video.

>
> Also good.
>
>> Thank you so mutch.
>>
>> Bye !

>
> Good luck. Maybe you should try a different card if the problem is never
> solved.


Yes... this is what I should try... antoher gpu with less ghz...
Next week I have the answer...

Thank You !
 
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