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Good registry cleaner?

T

Twayne

Flightless Bird
In news:4B93F2D3.E4862BF2@discussions.microsoft.com,
KevinB <KevinB@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
> Gordon wrote:
>>
>
>> Well nearly every one - I've just killfiled him... :)
>
> No you haven't. You keep reading his/her messages and
> respond accordingly. You are a lying troll.

Agreed. And a follower/sock puppet.

Twayne


--
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Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered
through personal experience does not become a
part of the moral tissue.
 
G

Gordon

Flightless Bird
"Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:uidq45jvKHA.812@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> In news:4B93F2D3.E4862BF2@discussions.microsoft.com,
> KevinB <KevinB@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
>> Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> Well nearly every one - I've just killfiled him... :)
>>
>> No you haven't. You keep reading his/her messages and
>> respond accordingly. You are a lying troll.
>
> Agreed. And a follower/sock puppet.
>

Of whom or what? Do you even know what "follower or sock puppet" means?

Idiot.

Plonk.
 
G

Gordon

Flightless Bird
"Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:ecE#51jvKHA.2436@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Most likely he needed it, but was just too half-fast to know he needed it
> and suffered thru.

Idiot. Get back to your kindergarten before matron realises you have
escaped...
 
P

Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
LOL. Twayne can you read and comprehend? He agreed(EN59CHV) with what Ken posted as
a reply to Gordon..(The rest of us are saying that CCleaner has a place in computer
maintenance on XP.) When he is preaching the same stupid and dangerous belief as you
that Registry Cleaning is a good thing

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"Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:-OYWZS5jvKHA.404@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> In news:eFU4tOhvKHA.5940@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl,
> Peter Foldes <okf22@hotmail.com> typed:
>> So you agree that the Registry cleaning program of CCleaner
>> should not be used as any other registry cleaning tool
>
> lol! Speak of the devil and he appears! This one in particular has zero reality
> on board w/r to cleaners and loves to issue troll bait.
>
> Twayne
>
>
>>
>>
>> "EN59CVH" <EN59CVH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message news:4B93CBDE.BD55B65C@discussions.microsoft.com...
>>> Most of us have pointed out that CCleaner *is* a very
>>> good program, and only its registry cleaning function
>>> should be avoided.
>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think it does. Most of us have pointed out that
>>>> CCleaner *is* a very good program,
>>>>
>>>
>>> are you now contradicting your soul mate? It looks like
>>> you have been converted so join the club Ken. You are
>>> always welcome with your rational approach to problem
>>> solving!
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered
> through personal experience does not become a
> part of the moral tissue.
 
Y

ybS2okj

Flightless Bird
"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23PvIeXjvKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "KevinB" <KevinB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4B93F2D3.E4862BF2@discussions.microsoft.com...
>>
>>
>> Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> Well nearly every one - I've just killfiled him... :)
>>
>> No you haven't. You keep reading his/her messages and respond
>> accordingly. You are a lying troll.
>>
>
> And who rattled YOUR cage?

It could be your mummy crying for a big c0ck!
 
Y

ybS2okj

Flightless Bird
"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23ZQrNQkvKHA.404@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:uidq45jvKHA.812@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> In news:4B93F2D3.E4862BF2@discussions.microsoft.com,
>> KevinB <KevinB@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Well nearly every one - I've just killfiled him... :)
>>>
>>> No you haven't. You keep reading his/her messages and
>>> respond accordingly. You are a lying troll.
>>
>> Agreed. And a follower/sock puppet.
>>
>
> Of whom or what? Do you even know what "follower or sock puppet" means?
>
> Idiot.
>
> Plonk.

did your c0ck sucker mummy not teach you good manners? To you anybody who
disagrees with you or with Microsoft Valuable Pigs are idiots. do you
actually know what this word means or are you just spouting anything that
comes out of your anus?

You must be a real plonker on this planet. Grow up baby or your mummy will
leave you with drug junkies!
 
H

HeyBub

Flightless Bird
apistomaster(nospam) wrote:
>
> Here is the forum I found when I had a question about Windows 7 I
> could answer for myself.
> I only had been using Win 7 2 days so still have much to learn about
> how it all works.
> I do like it very much and if you are buying new machines it is
> certainly better than my single day's worth of experience helping
> friend set up his Vista Home Premium OS settings.
> Seemed like Vista asked for administrator to log in at every turn. Win
> 7 doesn't.
> Minor and off topic comments.
> Here is that forum which had the specific answer to my particular
> question. I see it isn't exactly THE Microsoft Windows 7 help forum
> but imitates it.
> http://www.sevenforums.com/

You've been tricked.

www.sevenforums.com

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Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
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Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited
 
H

HeyBub

Flightless Bird
Dan wrote:
> hi rhino.. tuff night? :)..
>
> try: Glary Utilities, download . com
> (free, does not hold back on repairs)
>
> I only have novice experience, so just opinion: some applications
> seem to stick you with miles & miles of what might call directories
> in the registry, and do not delete them when you uninstall the
> application, aol etc.. some utilities, security apps..

So what? They do no harm.

> fall under
> using registry cleaning to remove (security problems, right?), I
> don't want reinstall my pc every couple minutes either, but:
>
> have just tried something called: Glary Utilities from download . com
> appears free version will fix all registry problems / not just a
> portion.. but not a security app, does seem to be set up well for a
> utility.
>
> off hand: will speed up boot / start of system, running apps.. if
> understand correct registry is like a batch file that is accessed
> every time you want to run / start a new program, pc has to read the
> whole registry every time you want to do something.

You understand wrong. The registry is NOT read sequentially. Whether it has
1000 entries or 3 million, the access time differs by, at most, a few
nanoseconds.


> comparing to a super-large directory tree: is delicate / should not
> mess with manually / can get corrupted easy, - and - seems like
> some apps want to add everything they can to it, to take over your
> system.. unquote
>

IF adjustments to the registry ARE appropriate, doing so manually is FAR
less risky than any so-called "cleaner."
 
B

Bill in Co.

Flightless Bird
Peter Foldes wrote:
> LOL. Twayne can you read and comprehend?

Isn't that a rhetorical question?
 
U

Unknown

Flightless Bird
'Rest of us'???? That's only you.
"EN59CVH" <EN59CVH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4B92F36F.77255268@discussions.microsoft.com...
> Only the Microsoft Valuable Pigs (or MVPs for short) are spreading lies,
> more lies and utter nonsense. The rest of us are saying that CCleaner
> has a place in computer maintenance on XP.
>
> hth
>
>
> "apistomaster(nospam)" wrote:
>>
>> Before anyone jumps me for mentioning Windows 7 on the XP forum let me
>> say I realize that..
>> I merely wanted to point out that on the Window 7 support forum, they
>> have 2 identical adds at the top and bottom of every page from UniBlue
>> stating that the first thing one should do is download and run their
>> registry cleaner. I am not taking any sides in this issue but
>> Microsoft seems to be pushing user to get and use this registry
>> cleaner. And it is not free.
>> Why would Microsoft be so willingly support the use of this product?
>> I know that the consensus here is that registry cleaners are next to
>> or worse than useless.
>> I happened to use one once, the UniBlue product to be exact, on my
>> Inspiron E1505 laptop and it fixed the problem I was having, a missing
>> or corrupted .dll file but I never ran it again.
>> This message was produced on a Sony Vaio laptop running Windows 7 Home
>> Premium Edition.
>> My Inspiron is in the shop and my small hooby business of selling fish
>> makes it absolutely necessary that I have a working computer. I
>> ordered a $1000 build of a Dell Studio 17 but it was going to take up
>> to 3 weeks for it to arrive so I bought the Vaio to be able to stay in
>> touch with my customers. Raising tropical fish is my hobby/business
>> not computers but once the Inspiron is out of the shop and the new
>> Studio 17 arrives I will own 3 working laptops so I will never be
>> caught without at least one working machine again.
 
U

Unknown

Flightless Bird
Still at your childish behavior ANONYMOUS? I guess you'll never grow up.
Why don't you go to your dorm room and take a nap.
"ybS2okj" <ybS2okj@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eBXHJTmvKHA.5008@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%23PvIeXjvKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "KevinB" <KevinB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:4B93F2D3.E4862BF2@discussions.microsoft.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Well nearly every one - I've just killfiled him... :)
>>>
>>> No you haven't. You keep reading his/her messages and respond
>>> accordingly. You are a lying troll.
>>>
>>
>> And who rattled YOUR cage?
>
> It could be your mummy crying for a big c0ck!
>
>
 
U

Unknown

Flightless Bird
That is precisely what you do.
"ybS2okj" <ybS2okj@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ujfqJTmvKHA.5008@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%23ZQrNQkvKHA.404@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
>> news:uidq45jvKHA.812@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> In news:4B93F2D3.E4862BF2@discussions.microsoft.com,
>>> KevinB <KevinB@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
>>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well nearly every one - I've just killfiled him... :)
>>>>
>>>> No you haven't. You keep reading his/her messages and
>>>> respond accordingly. You are a lying troll.
>>>
>>> Agreed. And a follower/sock puppet.
>>>
>>
>> Of whom or what? Do you even know what "follower or sock puppet" means?
>>
>> Idiot.
>>
>> Plonk.
>
> did your c0ck sucker mummy not teach you good manners? To you anybody
> who disagrees with you or with Microsoft Valuable Pigs are idiots. do you
> actually know what this word means or are you just spouting anything that
> comes out of your anus?
>
> You must be a real plonker on this planet. Grow up baby or your mummy
> will leave you with drug junkies!
>
>
>
 
U

Unknown

Flightless Bird
Typical comment from people with your deranged personality.
"EN59CVH" <EN59CVH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4B92F2A6.E717BF78@discussions.microsoft.com...
>
>
> Unknown wrote:
>>
>> But, your 'guarantees' aren't worth the powder to blow them to bits.
>
> But you seem to like reading them so there must be some powder for your
> mummy to look tidy!
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 21:30:44 -0600, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:


> > off hand: will speed up boot / start of system, running apps.. if
> > understand correct registry is like a batch file that is accessed
> > every time you want to run / start a new program, pc has to read the
> > whole registry every time you want to do something.
>
> You understand wrong. The registry is NOT read sequentially. Whether it has
> 1000 entries or 3 million, the access time differs by, at most, a few
> nanoseconds.


Right. And if I may add to that, the *whole* registry is not run every
time you do something. Only what's needed is read, and with random
access to it.


> > comparing to a super-large directory tree: is delicate / should not
> > mess with manually / can get corrupted easy, - and - seems like
> > some apps want to add everything they can to it, to take over your
> > system.. unquote
> >
>
> IF adjustments to the registry ARE appropriate, doing so manually is FAR
> less risky than any so-called "cleaner."



Right again (assuming that you have at least some knowledge of the
registry and how to edit it).

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
T

Twayne

Flightless Bird
In news:uxfm27mvKHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
HeyBub <heybub@gmail.com> typed:
> apistomaster(nospam) wrote:
>>
>> Here is the forum I found when I had a question about
>> Windows 7 I could answer for myself.
>> I only had been using Win 7 2 days so still have much to
>> learn about how it all works.
>> I do like it very much and if you are buying new machines
>> it is certainly better than my single day's worth of
>> experience helping friend set up his Vista Home Premium OS
>> settings. Seemed like Vista asked for administrator to log in at
>> every turn. Win 7 doesn't.
>> Minor and off topic comments.
>> Here is that forum which had the specific answer to my
>> particular question. I see it isn't exactly THE Microsoft
>> Windows 7 help forum but imitates it.
>> http://www.sevenforums.com/
>
> You've been tricked.

How so? Google says their squeaky clean:

Search results for Safe Browsing Diagnostic page for sevenforums.com What is
the current listing status for sevenforums.com? This site is not currently
listed as suspicious. What happened when Google visited this site? Of the
208 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 0 page(s) resulted in
malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The
last time Google visited this site was on 2010-03-07, and suspicious content
was never found on this site within the past 90 days. This site was hosted
on 1 network(s) including AS36351 (SOFTLAYER). Has this site acted as an
intermediary resulting in further distribution of malware? Over the past 90
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WOT lists it as a "good site" with "useful information".

Alexa is pretty happy with them as is rbls.org and other places too. They're
not on any of the top 145 blacklists and have an excellent reputation score.

So:

HOW did they trick anyone, especially the OP?

What is the point of offering a whois on them?

You attacked them but gave no evidence to support your allegations. To all
appearances you're wrong. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

HTH,

Twayne`




> www.sevenforums.com
>
> Registrant:
> John Fairbrother
> 3 Narbonne Ave
> M30 9DL, M30 9DL M30 9DL
> United Kingdom
>
> Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc.
> (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: SEVENFORUMS.COM
> Created on: 13-Oct-08
> Expires on: 14-Oct-15
> Last Updated on: 25-Sep-09
>
> Administrative Contact:
> Fairbrother, John admin@vista64.net
> 3 Narbonne Ave
> M30 9DL, M30 9DL M30 9DL
> United Kingdom
> 07739213488
>
> Technical Contact:
> Fairbrother, John admin@vista64.net
> 3 Narbonne Ave
> M30 9DL, M30 9DL M30 9DL
> United Kingdom
> 07739213488
>
> Domain servers in listed order:
> NS39.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
> NS40.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
>
>
> Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
> Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
> Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
> Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited



--
--
Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered
through personal experience does not become a
part of the moral tissue.
 
T

Twayne

Flightless Bird
In news:ugk82utvKHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
Unknown <unknown@unknown.kom> typed:
> 'Rest of us'???? That's only you.

No, it's a long, long ways from being just that one person. Try millions.
Just because MVPs in general and these groups have been written off by many
people because of the likes of you doesn't do a thing to improve your
credibility or usefulness. Closed minded follower sock puppets are like
that.

HTH,

Twayne`
"EN59CVH" <EN59CVH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:4B92F36F.77255268@discussions.microsoft.com...
>> Only the Microsoft Valuable Pigs (or MVPs for short) are
>> spreading lies, more lies and utter nonsense. The rest of
>> us are saying that CCleaner has a place in computer
>> maintenance on XP. hth
>>
>>
>> "apistomaster(nospam)" wrote:
>>>
>>> Before anyone jumps me for mentioning Windows 7 on the XP
>>> forum let me say I realize that..
>>> I merely wanted to point out that on the Window 7 support
>>> forum, they have 2 identical adds at the top and bottom
>>> of every page from UniBlue stating that the first thing
>>> one should do is download and run their registry cleaner.
>>> I am not taking any sides in this issue but Microsoft
>>> seems to be pushing user to get and use this registry
>>> cleaner. And it is not free. Why would Microsoft be so willingly support
>>> the use of
>>> this product? I know that the consensus here is that
>>> registry cleaners are next to or worse than useless.
>>> I happened to use one once, the UniBlue product to be
>>> exact, on my Inspiron E1505 laptop and it fixed the
>>> problem I was having, a missing or corrupted .dll file
>>> but I never ran it again. This message was produced on a Sony Vaio
>>> laptop running
>>> Windows 7 Home Premium Edition.
>>> My Inspiron is in the shop and my small hooby business of
>>> selling fish makes it absolutely necessary that I have a
>>> working computer. I ordered a $1000 build of a Dell
>>> Studio 17 but it was going to take up to 3 weeks for it
>>> to arrive so I bought the Vaio to be able to stay in
>>> touch with my customers. Raising tropical fish is my
>>> hobby/business not computers but once the Inspiron is out
>>> of the shop and the new Studio 17 arrives I will own 3
>>> working laptops so I will never be caught without at
>>> least one working machine again.



--
--
Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered
through personal experience does not become a
part of the moral tissue.
 
U

Unknown

Flightless Bird
Millions?????? Try less than 1% of all users. Post facts not your usual BS.
"Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:%23%23YdeEvvKHA.1984@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> In news:ugk82utvKHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
> Unknown <unknown@unknown.kom> typed:
>> 'Rest of us'???? That's only you.
>
> No, it's a long, long ways from being just that one person. Try millions.
> Just because MVPs in general and these groups have been written off by
> many people because of the likes of you doesn't do a thing to improve your
> credibility or usefulness. Closed minded follower sock puppets are like
> that.
>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne`
> "EN59CVH" <EN59CVH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message news:4B92F36F.77255268@discussions.microsoft.com...
>>> Only the Microsoft Valuable Pigs (or MVPs for short) are
>>> spreading lies, more lies and utter nonsense. The rest of
>>> us are saying that CCleaner has a place in computer
>>> maintenance on XP. hth
>>>
>>>
>>> "apistomaster(nospam)" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Before anyone jumps me for mentioning Windows 7 on the XP
>>>> forum let me say I realize that..
>>>> I merely wanted to point out that on the Window 7 support
>>>> forum, they have 2 identical adds at the top and bottom
>>>> of every page from UniBlue stating that the first thing
>>>> one should do is download and run their registry cleaner.
>>>> I am not taking any sides in this issue but Microsoft
>>>> seems to be pushing user to get and use this registry
>>>> cleaner. And it is not free. Why would Microsoft be so willingly
>>>> support the use of
>>>> this product? I know that the consensus here is that
>>>> registry cleaners are next to or worse than useless.
>>>> I happened to use one once, the UniBlue product to be
>>>> exact, on my Inspiron E1505 laptop and it fixed the
>>>> problem I was having, a missing or corrupted .dll file
>>>> but I never ran it again. This message was produced on a Sony Vaio
>>>> laptop running
>>>> Windows 7 Home Premium Edition.
>>>> My Inspiron is in the shop and my small hooby business of
>>>> selling fish makes it absolutely necessary that I have a
>>>> working computer. I ordered a $1000 build of a Dell
>>>> Studio 17 but it was going to take up to 3 weeks for it
>>>> to arrive so I bought the Vaio to be able to stay in
>>>> touch with my customers. Raising tropical fish is my
>>>> hobby/business not computers but once the Inspiron is out
>>>> of the shop and the new Studio 17 arrives I will own 3
>>>> working laptops so I will never be caught without at
>>>> least one working machine again.
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered
> through personal experience does not become a
> part of the moral tissue.
 
U

Unknown

Flightless Bird
Random access???? Hogwash.
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:lsfap55ugshktkvc8sht34qs8lhrqn2ja8@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 21:30:44 -0600, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> > off hand: will speed up boot / start of system, running apps.. if
>> > understand correct registry is like a batch file that is accessed
>> > every time you want to run / start a new program, pc has to read the
>> > whole registry every time you want to do something.
>>
>> You understand wrong. The registry is NOT read sequentially. Whether it
>> has
>> 1000 entries or 3 million, the access time differs by, at most, a few
>> nanoseconds.
>
>
> Right. And if I may add to that, the *whole* registry is not run every
> time you do something. Only what's needed is read, and with random
> access to it.
>
>
>> > comparing to a super-large directory tree: is delicate / should not
>> > mess with manually / can get corrupted easy, - and - seems like
>> > some apps want to add everything they can to it, to take over your
>> > system.. unquote
>> >
>>
>> IF adjustments to the registry ARE appropriate, doing so manually is FAR
>> less risky than any so-called "cleaner."
>
>
>
> Right again (assuming that you have at least some knowledge of the
> registry and how to edit it).
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
B

Bill in Co.

Flightless Bird
LOL. Actually, the "closed-minded sock puppets" which Twayne keeps
bringing up are precisely the ones who recommend routinely running registry
cleaners to "enhance performance" and "speed up the computer" (cough). By
the way, this attribute of one's calling everyone else sock-puppets .. is
known in psychology as "projection".

Unknown wrote:
> Millions?????? Try less than 1% of all users. Post facts not your usual
> BS.

I think you forgot. He said he "posted those 'facts' already" (cough).
:)


> "Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:%23%23YdeEvvKHA.1984@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> In news:ugk82utvKHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
>> Unknown <unknown@unknown.kom> typed:
>>> 'Rest of us'???? That's only you.
>>
>> No, it's a long, long ways from being just that one person. Try millions.
>> Just because MVPs in general and these groups have been written off by
>> many people because of the likes of you doesn't do a thing to improve
>> your
>> credibility or usefulness. Closed minded follower sock puppets are like
>> that.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Twayne`
 
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