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Alias

Flightless Bird
Joel wrote:
> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>>> If you want to troll by implying that there's no difference between
>>>>> legal and pirated Windows (and third-party for-profit software), you
>>>>> are a piece of shit, and will be treated as such.
>>>> Sorry the truth bothers you so much. There is no difference.
>>> So, I can just use one of the verifiable MSDN ISOs, and plug in some
>>> OEM's Product Key, and it'll activate? Oh, *NO*, that's *NOT* the
>>> case! I have to install a BIOS emulator, or crack activation itself!
>>> Yeah, sounds like "no difference". :)

>> The ones I've seen come with a product key. I've never downloaded one.
>> I've just seen the ones people have who bring me their computers to be
>> fixed.

>
>
> Of course warezed Windows comes with a stolen Product Key. But it's
> not that fucking simple. To bypass activation, the system BIOS has to
> match that OEM SLP key (so the pirate has to fool Windows into
> thinking it is that OEM's computer), or activation itself has to be
> disabled. Both methods involve running questionable code, not to
> mention a lame hassle, to save as little as $105 from Newegg for Home
> Premium.


All I can say is that I've seen machines with pirated Windows that had
no malware or performance problems. In many countries, you have to buy
retail instead of generic OEM. You can only get that if you buy a
complete computer with it.

>
>
>>>> You're infected and don't even know it.
>>> You have cancer and don't even know it. Well, it *could* be true,
>>> right?

>> Not according to the analysis I had done last week. Course, you don't
>> have anything to analyze your computer ...

>
>
> I'm glad you are in good health, in all seriousness. However, I
> certainly do analyze my computer. If I were to get owned, presumably
> there would be some purpose for the hacker(s) to use my box for. If I
> were to be a zombie machine, for example, I'd (along with Verizon)
> probably notice the bandwidth usage in denial-of-service attacks. If
> they wanted my bank info/etc., I'd obviously notice that very quickly,
> and one thing I'd want to investigate would indeed be whether my
> computer was compromised.
>
> Hasn't happened.


If so, you've been lucky what with all the drive by malware out there.

>
>
>>> There are advantages to
>>> Linux, also, but it often doesn't even *allow* the lack of passwords
>>> or running as root.

>> For good reason, one you apparently are unable to understand.

>
>
> It's a good *option*, even a good *default* option - but I'm glad that
> MS still has a way for a knowledgeable user to easily convert Win7
> into NT6.1 (so to speak).


Once you get everything set up, it doesn't pop up much.

>
>
>>>> I hope for your sake that you don't have any bank or
>>>> personal information on your computer.
>>> Quite the contrary. I use online banking/shopping all the time. I
>>> don't worry, because I secure my system properly. Prevention is the
>>> best medicine.

>> Right. You're a sitting duck.

>
>
> Neither of us can prove what hasn't happened yet, but I certainly do
> whatever will meaningfully secure my computer.


I'd run a few anti virus and anti malware programs if I were you.

>
>
>>> Anyone can learn to use Windows (*and* other
>>> operating systems) safely. If you aren't part of increasing awareness
>>> of that, including for non-Windows OSes/software, you're part of the
>>> problem. Microsoft can take credit all the way back to 1998, with
>>> Windows Update automatically discovering (and/or providing with XP/
>>> etc.) OS updates.

>> I've met people who don't know how to make a new folder and didn't even
>> know that they were running Windows or what Windows is. You are giving
>> the average computer user too much credit.

>
>
> That's why I suggested that we do what we can to increase awareness.
> They *can* learn - but that doesn't necessarily mean they *will*.


Tell me about it ;-)

>
>
>>>> I am not competing in a personality contest and need not be accepted
>>>> into any In Group. The facts are the facts and a pirated copy of Windows
>>>> will run just as good as a "genuine" copy will. So will PhotoShop,
>>>> Office, Studio Vegas or whatever. I have seen computers where all of the
>>>> above was pirated and they didn't have one single virus or malware on
>>>> the machine.
>>> Not the point. You, yourself, just made a big issue out of
>>> non-techies using computers. They, in particular, are much more
>>> likely to be the victim of tampered-with warez, than the techie-
>>> pirates. Pick a *side*, troll.

>> The side is that the ALL users would be safer with Linux.

>
>
> Linux is not perfect, though - and has not been tested on the scale of
> lusers' use that Windows has, obviously. It's easy to claim that
> Linux's security record would scale up, but impossible to prove, until
> its usage itself scales up.


Its architecture makes it difficult, not its popularity or lack thereof.

>
>
>>>> When you consider that 99% of all Windows users buy the OS preinstalled
>>>> on their new computer, who is MS targeting?
>>> Primarily victims of counterfeiting, as per their long-stated policy
>>> (most of whom do indeed get it from a fly-by-night "OEM"). If that
>>> weren't the case, it wouldn't be an *optional* update.

>> It's all about money and control. MS could care less about their
>> customers. This is typical of a monopoly or, in this case, a de facto
>> monopoly. You are presumed guilty of piracy until you prove otherwise
>> with programs that are infamous for false positives.

>
>
> Well, without regard to your accusations about whether they care,
> let's think about it from their business point of view: if they
> didn't have any anti-piracy mechanisms, one Win7 DVD-ROM could install
> an unlimited number of machines. Fly-by-night box builders could get
> away with murder in terms of counterfeiting. Unless they decide to
> make Windows free, they are going to need to use Product Keys at a
> minimum.


Gosh, I guess the billions they made pre XP are an illusion and Bill
Gates didn't become the richest man in the world with pre XP and XP
Office sales. It's greed and control, not something warm and fuzzy.

>
> As for false positives, I don't doubt that there *may* be some cases
> of it. I do promise you that legit customers will get it straightened
> out, though, if so. Microsoft does take its corporate
> responsibilities seriously.
>


There are many. Visit the WGA forums to see what happened with XP and
Vista. Windows 7 is still new and the new and improved WAT isn't out yet.

--
Alias
 
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Alias

Flightless Bird
Re: alias the liar gets caught...again!

Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>> <--snipped the lies form the lying cock sucker-->
>>>> When you consider that 99% of all Windows users buy the OS
>>>> preinstalled on their new computer, who is MS targeting?
>>> You! You *DUMB FUCK*!

>> Impossible because all my software is legit, libeling liar.

>
> Hi Alias :) LTNS.
>


Hey, Rhonda, how's it going?

> Where did you find this "Frank" character? He seems just a tad nutty.
>


He's our resident junk yard guard dog, keeping all the people out who
aren't MS fan persons. He's all bark and no bite though ;-)

--
Alias
 
J

Joel

Flightless Bird
Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

>>Well, neither one of us are required to install this update.

>
>Not at first, no, but will it surprise anyone when MS silently ignores
>a person's update preferences and installs it anyway? They've done it
>before, and this is an excellent candidate for them to do it again.



If you mean in a Service Pack, maybe (but even there, intentional
pirates would just get the newer crack, and it would still really be
targeting unknowing victims of counterfeiting). Otherwise, I don't
see why they would even want to.

They may not like piracy of Windows, but they wouldn't like it any
better if people refused to use it at all, or worked harder at
cracking their anti-piracy techniques (as in, making it even harder to
prevent casual copying, counterfeiting, and warez-style piracy - the
current scheme is at least effective at preventing casual copying,
because pirates don't use individual-machine keys).


>>I know there's no real point to installing it,

>
>That's probably the only thing we've agreed on so far.
>
>>since I know where I got my
>>license from, and what I've done with it since. I still will install
>>it, though, because I want to demonstrate in any way I can how
>>committed I am to discouraging the use of pirated software.

>
>Demonstrate to who?



Well, they may not keep track of whether I as one user installed the
update, but they would at least know how many people installed it out
of how many were offered it via Windows Update.


>>>>I don't buy software I won't use.
>>>
>>>I flat out don't believe that. The flip side of your statement is that
>>>you use all the software you buy, and anyone who says that simply
>>>isn't being honest. We've all bought software that disappointed us to
>>>some degree. We put it aside, do more homework, buy something else,
>>>and move on.

>>
>>I have used all the software I've bought until it was outdated/
>>unnecessary/replaced (or am still using it, in the case of many
>>programs - for example this newsreader, which I have licenses for four
>>out of five of the newer versions of, but prefer this old one for text
>>groups). Why would I buy it until I had a use for it?

>
>I raise the BS flag.



If you want to go around doubting perfectly reasonable comments by
people, feel free. Seems like a waste of mental energy, to me.


><snipped mini-rant about 'warez' and people who supposedly promote it>
>
>You're definitely passionate, I don't think anyone will argue that.



When it comes to treating my property and personal information with
due respect, and encouraging others to do the same, I feel justified
in my passion.

--
Joel Crump
 
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Joel

Flightless Bird
Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote:

>> Of course,
>> that *still* doesn't really address the basic point. No matter how
>> careful one is about what warez they install, it's at least *a tiny
>> bit* more dangerous than legal for-profit software.

>
>True but not as rampant as the software, music and film business would
>like you to believe



I really did not mean to insinuate that it's "rampant" (although one
could make the argument that if it's at all common, that's rampant
enough, since it's not worth the risk). I do think it's a lot more
common than people who practice it acknowledge, though, and that
discouraging it altogether is the only responsible action, since I
don't know who might be influenced into naively downloading something,
without understanding how to verify it.


>>> Warez was the name of a group of hackers

>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez

>
>So, now they are calling all of it Warez. It used to be a specific group
>of hackers.



I guess it would be hard to get that trademarked. ;)


>>> No illogic involved, just your ignorance.

>>
>> Once again, kiddie,

>
>I haven't been a kid in over 50 years.



I guess I just took you too much at your word about equating Windows
insecurity between legal and pirated forms - I should have realized it
was more of a general troll about Windows. :p Still, it makes me
wonder, as you would be about twice my age, why you're so aggressively
anti-MS.


>> the "fool" and "ignorant" labels are getting
>> mirrored right back to ya. Why are you getting so sidetracked on
>> warez, anyway? It's so totally not relevant to the Linux vs. MS
>> debate. I think you occasionally make some decent posts about Linux,
>> but all the trolling, and bullshitting about warez, casts a shadow on
>> that.

>
>I am just stating the facts. I do not support piracy and have never used
>pirated software. Being able to know what's happening doesn't mean I am
>a part of it. I tell customers that bring us machines with pirated
>Windows that with us they have two choices: Linux or buy a copy of Windows.



Thank you for the clarification. In all seriousness, I do recognize
that this is just a newsgroup, and as long as you're doing that in
your real-world business, I support you.

--
Joel Crump
 
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Joel

Flightless Bird
Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

>>Yeah, I know that's the cherry-picked post that you meant.

>
>I knew you knew, and you still made me go back and get it. *sigh*



I was hoping that you might just acknowledge that my methods can be
equally effective, but it's cool. I do recognize that it's worth
being clear, that my setup is no longer the default for a reason.

--
Joel Crump
 
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Joel

Flightless Bird
Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote:

>> Both methods involve running questionable code, not to
>> mention a lame hassle, to save as little as $105 from Newegg for Home
>> Premium.

>
>All I can say is that I've seen machines with pirated Windows that had
>no malware or performance problems.



Yes, many of my techie friends, past and present, have found it
amusing that I refuse to pirate software, because they are confident
enough in their abilities to differentiate sources of warez.

Maybe in my case, it really is more on principle - setting a better
example. Then again, I know myself better than that. It is somewhat
out of honesty (since I have the means to pay for software, I should
leave piracy to those who really don't), and somewhat out of being
security-conscious, but more than either of those things, it's out of
laziness - I want to get right down to using my computer and software.
Not having to scan files with multiple anti-malware programs.


> In many countries, you have to buy
>retail instead of generic OEM. You can only get that if you buy a
>complete computer with it.



Well, it's important to note that the $105 Home Premium System Builder
license is *not* as discounted as it is from actual OEMs. Newegg's
price for Home Premium is around what an OEM would pay MS to install
it on a $2000 complete system, which is obviously a lot more than most
people are paying these days.

It seems to be more of a slight discount relative to the upgrade
editions - I certainly was eligible to get the retail upgrade of
7 Pro, but since I wouldn't ever want tech support from MS, the lack
of access to it being the *sole* difference (despite what people
taking the System Builder disclaimer too literally think) from the
retail license, it made no sense to spend any extra money on it,
especially since it's harder to do a clean install with an upgrade
Product Key, now.


>If so, you've been lucky what with all the drive by malware out there.



I check for software updates pretty frequently, especially for
vulnerable programs (e.g. browsers/plugins, Adobe Reader).


>>>> There are advantages to
>>>> Linux, also, but it often doesn't even *allow* the lack of passwords
>>>> or running as root.
>>>
>>> For good reason, one you apparently are unable to understand.

>>
>> It's a good *option*, even a good *default* option - but I'm glad that
>> MS still has a way for a knowledgeable user to easily convert Win7
>> into NT6.1 (so to speak).

>
>Once you get everything set up, it doesn't pop up much.



True, but it's still fundamentally unnecessary, if one prevents the
possibility of exploits to begin with. I want to balance security
against the actual risk of a security breach - to maximize both
security *and* usability. Both are equally important, to many people.


>I'd run a few anti virus and anti malware programs if I were you.



I would probably switch to Linux if I really believed it were
necessary to use anti-malware software under Windows. Fortunately,
neither are necessary. But in all seriousness, I could never go back
to running anti-malware in the background - massive performance drain.
Manual scanning is a pain in the ass, too.


>>> The side is that the ALL users would be safer with Linux.

>>
>> Linux is not perfect, though - and has not been tested on the scale of
>> lusers' use that Windows has, obviously. It's easy to claim that
>> Linux's security record would scale up, but impossible to prove, until
>> its usage itself scales up.

>
>Its architecture makes it difficult, not its popularity or lack thereof.



I'm not denying that there are *some* inherent advantages to the Unix
design, in terms of security. Then again, they tend to exist in the
lack of Internet Explorer, alone, statistically. Since I use IE only
for very specific, trustworthy sites where it performs better than
Firefox, and am careful in general about how I use all my software, I
can't see how I'd be *substantially* less secure than a Linux box, if
I were to enable UAC and file-system protection (which would also
enable IE's Protected Mode, for that matter).


>>> It's all about money and control. MS could care less about their
>>> customers. This is typical of a monopoly or, in this case, a de facto
>>> monopoly. You are presumed guilty of piracy until you prove otherwise
>>> with programs that are infamous for false positives.

>>
>> Well, without regard to your accusations about whether they care,
>> let's think about it from their business point of view: if they
>> didn't have any anti-piracy mechanisms, one Win7 DVD-ROM could install
>> an unlimited number of machines. Fly-by-night box builders could get
>> away with murder in terms of counterfeiting. Unless they decide to
>> make Windows free, they are going to need to use Product Keys at a
>> minimum.

>
>Gosh, I guess the billions they made pre XP are an illusion and Bill
>Gates didn't become the richest man in the world with pre XP and XP
>Office sales. It's greed and control, not something warm and fuzzy.



I'm not saying that no one would be honest enough to buy it properly,
but it doesn't take a math genius to realize that a lot more casual
copying and counterfeiting would go on. Also, around the time of XP,
it had become a lot easier to copy CD-ROMs (and now DVD/BD-ROMs, too),
and a lot easier to transfer large programs over the Internet. The
enforcement of Product Keys had become more important (and they had
already used 95/98/Me as test beds of the technology).


>> As for false positives, I don't doubt that there *may* be some cases
>> of it. I do promise you that legit customers will get it straightened
>> out, though, if so. Microsoft does take its corporate
>> responsibilities seriously.

>
>There are many. Visit the WGA forums to see what happened with XP and
>Vista. Windows 7 is still new and the new and improved WAT isn't out yet.



I am aware that similar software has caused false positives in the
past. If anyone is substantially concerned about that possibility, I
would understand if they choose not to install this update (or for any
other reason - it's optional, and I am glad it is).

--
Joel Crump
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
Re: alias the liar gets caught...again!

Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>> <--snipped the lies form the lying cock sucker-->
>>>> When you consider that 99% of all Windows users buy the OS
>>>> preinstalled on their new computer, who is MS targeting?
>>> You! You *DUMB FUCK*!

>> Impossible because all my software is legit, libeling liar.

>
> Hi Alias :) LTNS.
>
> Where did you find this "Frank" character? He seems just a tad nutty.
>

Obviously you're a newbie to this Windows 7 ng and to the Vista ng.
Because you've got it backwards, as alias, aka cody found me. He likes
to fuck sheep, steal software, cheat little old ladies and post his
linturd spam in these Windows ng's. He does not use any Windows software
as he hates MS because they caught him stealing (pirating) their
software. He is a lying linux troll...as everyone in knows.

He insulted my family with these outrageous comments (see below):

"Your wife asked me if I would stroke her but I declined as I don't do
dogs. Then she screamed that I am a Linux loving commie atheist loser
and went running out into the street naked repeating that over and over
again. You know, like you do on this newsgroup.
Would you tell your scuzzy wife to stop emailing me and asking to suck
my cock?

Have you stopped fuçking your daughter yet ... LOL!
Frank, what happened in your childhood that makes you lie so much? Did
your mother have sex with you or was it your father or do you even know
who your father was?
Let me know when you're in Paris so I can go to San Diego and fuck your
wife and daughters.

Frank's a lame pervert who fucks his son and daughter is trying to make
some sense and failing miserably.
Have you stopped fucking your half son yet?
alias wrote:

Did I say Blow Me, because I would love to blow you!
I will also lick anything including my bubba's shit encrusted dick,
when he pulls it out of my fat, stupid ass!
I lick my dog's behind, a lamp post his pisses on, the sidewalk where
his shits, I'll even go down on some
crazy bitch like you. Oh, so you're not a bitch huh? Who cares! I'll
blow anyone, anytime, anywhere!
Just put your sheep costume on first.
I really like that!
Alias"

-----------------------------------------------------

Oh and then the stupid piece of shit actually threatens to come into my
home at 3AM for the purpose of perpetrating physical violence on my family.
He is a vile disgusting cock sucking sheep-fucking son of a cheap whore!

Yet he will not or cannot defend the honor of his departed (supposedly)
mother when I purposely insult her.

If you think for one moment that he, alias, aka cody, is a sane and
normal person, then you are most likely in immediately need of mental help.

Oh, and everyone in this ng hates his guts, other than two of his linux
troll friends, so I am far from being alone in my opinion and disgust
with him.
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
Re: alias the liar gets caught...again!

Alias wrote:
> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> <--snipped the lies form the lying cock sucker-->
>>>>> When you consider that 99% of all Windows users buy the OS
>>>>> preinstalled on their new computer, who is MS targeting?
>>>> You! You *DUMB FUCK*!
>>> Impossible because all my software is legit, libeling liar.

>>
>> Hi Alias :) LTNS.
>>

>
> Hey, Rhonda, how's it going?


One of your shills or victims?
>
>> Where did you find this "Frank" character? He seems just a tad nutty.
>>

>
> He's our resident junk yard guard dog,...


....who regularly kicks your lying ass in here.

keeping all the people out who
> aren't MS fan persons.


I expose lying linux trolls like you. Too bad huh?

He's all bark and no bite though ;-)

I, along with everyone else in here, have been kicking your lying
linturd ass on a daily basis.
Oops!
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Joel wrote:
> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Of course,
>>> that *still* doesn't really address the basic point. No matter how
>>> careful one is about what warez they install, it's at least *a tiny
>>> bit* more dangerous than legal for-profit software.

>> True but not as rampant as the software, music and film business would
>> like you to believe

>
>
> I really did not mean to insinuate that it's "rampant" (although one
> could make the argument that if it's at all common, that's rampant
> enough, since it's not worth the risk). I do think it's a lot more
> common than people who practice it acknowledge, though, and that
> discouraging it altogether is the only responsible action, since I
> don't know who might be influenced into naively downloading something,
> without understanding how to verify it.


A lot of the verified pirated software is spread by CD/DVD between friends.

>
>
>>>> Warez was the name of a group of hackers
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez

>> So, now they are calling all of it Warez. It used to be a specific group
>> of hackers.

>
>
> I guess it would be hard to get that trademarked. ;)


:D

>
>
>>>> No illogic involved, just your ignorance.
>>> Once again, kiddie,

>> I haven't been a kid in over 50 years.

>
>
> I guess I just took you too much at your word about equating Windows
> insecurity between legal and pirated forms - I should have realized it
> was more of a general troll about Windows. :p Still, it makes me
> wonder, as you would be about twice my age, why you're so aggressively
> anti-MS.


My first personal computer was the first Mac that came out in 84. It had
a grand total of 128K memory. It was a cute little machine though. I'm
against big business in general and those who try to impose a monopoly
in particular. Some of us hippies are like that ;-)

>
>
>>> the "fool" and "ignorant" labels are getting
>>> mirrored right back to ya. Why are you getting so sidetracked on
>>> warez, anyway? It's so totally not relevant to the Linux vs. MS
>>> debate. I think you occasionally make some decent posts about Linux,
>>> but all the trolling, and bullshitting about warez, casts a shadow on
>>> that.

>> I am just stating the facts. I do not support piracy and have never used
>> pirated software. Being able to know what's happening doesn't mean I am
>> a part of it. I tell customers that bring us machines with pirated
>> Windows that with us they have two choices: Linux or buy a copy of Windows.

>
>
> Thank you for the clarification. In all seriousness, I do recognize
> that this is just a newsgroup, and as long as you're doing that in
> your real-world business, I support you.
>


Stating the truth about MS and about piracy drives the MS fabois nuts.
It's fun to watch ;-)

--
Alias
 
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Alias

Flightless Bird
Re: alias the liar gets caught...again!

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> <--snipped the lies form the lying cock sucker-->
>>>>>> When you consider that 99% of all Windows users buy the OS
>>>>>> preinstalled on their new computer, who is MS targeting?
>>>>> You! You *DUMB FUCK*!
>>>> Impossible because all my software is legit, libeling liar.
>>>
>>> Hi Alias :) LTNS.
>>>

>>
>> Hey, Rhonda, how's it going?

>
> One of your shills or victims?


A friend. Ever hear of them?

>>
>>> Where did you find this "Frank" character? He seems just a tad nutty.
>>>

>>
>> He's our resident junk yard guard dog,...

>
> ...who regularly kicks your lying ass in here.


No, you don't. You think hurling lies and insults is winning but it's not.

>
> keeping all the people out who
>> aren't MS fan persons.

>
> I expose lying linux trolls like you. Too bad huh?


Too bad all you do is reveal your low life condition.

>
> He's all bark and no bite though ;-)
>
> I, along with everyone else in here, have been kicking your lying
> linturd ass on a daily basis.
> Oops!
>
>


Declaring yourself the winner isn't the way it's done Frank.

--
Alias
 
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Alias

Flightless Bird
Re: alias the liar gets caught...again!

Frank wrote:
> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> <--snipped the lies form the lying cock sucker-->
>>>>> When you consider that 99% of all Windows users buy the OS
>>>>> preinstalled on their new computer, who is MS targeting?
>>>> You! You *DUMB FUCK*!
>>> Impossible because all my software is legit, libeling liar.

>>
>> Hi Alias :) LTNS.
>>
>> Where did you find this "Frank" character? He seems just a tad nutty.
>>

> Obviously you're a newbie to this Windows 7 ng and to the Vista ng.


She's not new to the Vista ng and has known me longer than you have.

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Alias
 
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Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries

Flightless Bird
Re: alias the liar gets caught...again!

Alias wrote:
> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> <--snipped the lies form the lying cock sucker-->
>>>>> When you consider that 99% of all Windows users buy the OS
>>>>> preinstalled on their new computer, who is MS targeting?
>>>> You! You *DUMB FUCK*!
>>> Impossible because all my software is legit, libeling liar.

>>
>> Hi Alias :) LTNS.
>>

>
> Hey, Rhonda, how's it going?
>
>> Where did you find this "Frank" character? He seems just a tad
>> nutty.

>
> He's our resident junk yard guard dog, keeping all the people out
> who aren't MS fan persons. He's all bark and no bite though ;-)


Biting with no teeth is like thinking with no brain, and he seems to have
neither.

I miss Kurt, but I'm glad to see you're still around. :)

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries

The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to
be taken seriously. Hubert H. Humphrey
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Re: alias the liar gets caught...again!

Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> <--snipped the lies form the lying cock sucker-->
>>>>>> When you consider that 99% of all Windows users buy the OS
>>>>>> preinstalled on their new computer, who is MS targeting?
>>>>> You! You *DUMB FUCK*!
>>>> Impossible because all my software is legit, libeling liar.
>>> Hi Alias :) LTNS.
>>>

>> Hey, Rhonda, how's it going?
>>
>>> Where did you find this "Frank" character? He seems just a tad
>>> nutty.

>> He's our resident junk yard guard dog, keeping all the people out
>> who aren't MS fan persons. He's all bark and no bite though ;-)

>
> Biting with no teeth is like thinking with no brain, and he seems to have
> neither.


He doesn't.

>
> I miss Kurt, but I'm glad to see you're still around. :)
>


Kurt made the Vista General scene for a week or two but then
disappeared. Glad to see you back.

--
Alias
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Joel wrote:
>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> Of course,
>>>> that *still* doesn't really address the basic point. No matter how
>>>> careful one is about what warez they install, it's at least *a tiny
>>>> bit* more dangerous than legal for-profit software.
>>> True but not as rampant as the software, music and film business
>>> would like you to believe

>>
>>
>> I really did not mean to insinuate that it's "rampant" (although one
>> could make the argument that if it's at all common, that's rampant
>> enough, since it's not worth the risk). I do think it's a lot more
>> common than people who practice it acknowledge, though, and that
>> discouraging it altogether is the only responsible action, since I
>> don't know who might be influenced into naively downloading something,
>> without understanding how to verify it.

>
> A lot of the verified pirated software is spread by CD/DVD between friends.
>
>>
>>
>>>>> Warez was the name of a group of hackers
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez
>>> So, now they are calling all of it Warez. It used to be a specific
>>> group of hackers.

>>
>>
>> I guess it would be hard to get that trademarked. ;)

>
> :D
>
>>
>>
>>>>> No illogic involved, just your ignorance.
>>>> Once again, kiddie,
>>> I haven't been a kid in over 50 years.

>>
>>
>> I guess I just took you too much at your word about equating Windows
>> insecurity between legal and pirated forms - I should have realized it
>> was more of a general troll about Windows. :p Still, it makes me
>> wonder, as you would be about twice my age, why you're so aggressively
>> anti-MS.

>
> My first personal computer was the first Mac that came out in 84. It had
> a grand total of 128K memory. It was a cute little machine though. I'm
> against big business in general and those who try to impose a monopoly
> in particular. Some of us hippies are like that ;-)
>
>>
>>
>>>> the "fool" and "ignorant" labels are getting
>>>> mirrored right back to ya. Why are you getting so sidetracked on
>>>> warez, anyway? It's so totally not relevant to the Linux vs. MS
>>>> debate. I think you occasionally make some decent posts about Linux,
>>>> but all the trolling, and bullshitting about warez, casts a shadow on
>>>> that.
>>> I am just stating the facts. I do not support piracy and have never
>>> used pirated software. Being able to know what's happening doesn't
>>> mean I am a part of it. I tell customers that bring us machines with
>>> pirated Windows that with us they have two choices: Linux or buy a
>>> copy of Windows.

>>
>>
>> Thank you for the clarification. In all seriousness, I do recognize
>> that this is just a newsgroup, and as long as you're doing that in
>> your real-world business, I support you.
>>

>
> Stating the truth about MS and about piracy drives the MS fabois nuts.


The truth is something you are incapable of knowing, let along spreading!
Oops!

It's fun to watch ;-)

The most fun is watching everyone in here kicking your lying ass! :)
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Re: alias the liar gets caught...again!

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> <--snipped the lies form the lying cock sucker-->
>>>>>>> When you consider that 99% of all Windows users buy the OS
>>>>>>> preinstalled on their new computer, who is MS targeting?
>>>>>> You! You *DUMB FUCK*!
>>>>> Impossible because all my software is legit, libeling liar.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Alias :) LTNS.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hey, Rhonda, how's it going?

>>
>> One of your shills or victims?

>
> A friend. Ever hear of them?


You don't have any friends...uhhh...other than babba, your male sheep lover!
Oops!
>
>>>
>>>> Where did you find this "Frank" character? He seems just a tad nutty.
>>>>
>>>
>>> He's our resident junk yard guard dog,...

>>
>> ...who regularly kicks your lying ass in here.

>
> No, you don't.


Yes I do. You know, I know it and everyone in here knows it. Get use to
*SPORT* cause you did it to yourself and all by yourself.

You think hurling lies and insults is winning but it's not.

I know blasting your ass with the truth hurts like HELL for you!
Oops!
>
>>
>> keeping all the people out who
>>> aren't MS fan persons.

>>
>> I expose lying linux trolls like you. Too bad huh?

>
> Too bad all you do is reveal your low life condition.


Projecting again cock sucker?
>
>>
>> He's all bark and no bite though ;-)
>>
>> I, along with everyone else in here, have been kicking your lying
>> linturd ass on a daily basis.
>> Oops!
>>
>>

>
> Declaring yourself the winner isn't the way it's done Frank.
>

Face it cock sucker, you've lost so many times in your miserable POS
lying excuse for a life its become natural for you.
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Joel wrote:
>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Of course,
>>>>> that *still* doesn't really address the basic point. No matter how
>>>>> careful one is about what warez they install, it's at least *a tiny
>>>>> bit* more dangerous than legal for-profit software.
>>>> True but not as rampant as the software, music and film business
>>>> would like you to believe
>>>
>>>
>>> I really did not mean to insinuate that it's "rampant" (although one
>>> could make the argument that if it's at all common, that's rampant
>>> enough, since it's not worth the risk). I do think it's a lot more
>>> common than people who practice it acknowledge, though, and that
>>> discouraging it altogether is the only responsible action, since I
>>> don't know who might be influenced into naively downloading something,
>>> without understanding how to verify it.

>>
>> A lot of the verified pirated software is spread by CD/DVD between
>> friends.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Warez was the name of a group of hackers
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez
>>>> So, now they are calling all of it Warez. It used to be a specific
>>>> group of hackers.
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess it would be hard to get that trademarked. ;)

>>
>> :D
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> No illogic involved, just your ignorance.
>>>>> Once again, kiddie,
>>>> I haven't been a kid in over 50 years.
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess I just took you too much at your word about equating Windows
>>> insecurity between legal and pirated forms - I should have realized it
>>> was more of a general troll about Windows. :p Still, it makes me
>>> wonder, as you would be about twice my age, why you're so aggressively
>>> anti-MS.

>>
>> My first personal computer was the first Mac that came out in 84. It
>> had a grand total of 128K memory. It was a cute little machine though.
>> I'm against big business in general and those who try to impose a
>> monopoly in particular. Some of us hippies are like that ;-)
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> the "fool" and "ignorant" labels are getting
>>>>> mirrored right back to ya. Why are you getting so sidetracked on
>>>>> warez, anyway? It's so totally not relevant to the Linux vs. MS
>>>>> debate. I think you occasionally make some decent posts about Linux,
>>>>> but all the trolling, and bullshitting about warez, casts a shadow on
>>>>> that.
>>>> I am just stating the facts. I do not support piracy and have never
>>>> used pirated software. Being able to know what's happening doesn't
>>>> mean I am a part of it. I tell customers that bring us machines with
>>>> pirated Windows that with us they have two choices: Linux or buy a
>>>> copy of Windows.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for the clarification. In all seriousness, I do recognize
>>> that this is just a newsgroup, and as long as you're doing that in
>>> your real-world business, I support you.
>>>

>>
>> Stating the truth about MS and about piracy drives the MS fabois nuts.

>
> The truth is something you are incapable of knowing, let along spreading!
> Oops!
>
> It's fun to watch ;-)
>
> The most fun is watching everyone in here kicking your lying ass! :)
>


Too bad all you can do is make up lies I've told that I haven't told.
That makes you look pretty stupid and doesn't kick anyone's ass except
your own.

--
Alias
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Re: alias the liar gets caught...again!

Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> <--snipped the lies form the lying cock sucker-->
>>>>>> When you consider that 99% of all Windows users buy the OS
>>>>>> preinstalled on their new computer, who is MS targeting?
>>>>> You! You *DUMB FUCK*!
>>>> Impossible because all my software is legit, libeling liar.
>>> Hi Alias :) LTNS.
>>>

>> Hey, Rhonda, how's it going?
>>
>>> Where did you find this "Frank" character? He seems just a tad
>>> nutty.

>> He's our resident junk yard guard dog, keeping all the people out
>> who aren't MS fan persons. He's all bark and no bite though ;-)

>
> Biting with no teeth is like thinking with no brain, and he seems to have
> neither.
>
> I miss Kurt, but I'm glad to see you're still around. :)


Then get a room with cody, he'll bring babba alone for the two of you to
enjoy!
Oops!
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Re: alias the liar gets caught...again!

Alias wrote:
> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> <--snipped the lies form the lying cock sucker-->
>>>>>>> When you consider that 99% of all Windows users buy the OS
>>>>>>> preinstalled on their new computer, who is MS targeting?
>>>>>> You! You *DUMB FUCK*!
>>>>> Impossible because all my software is legit, libeling liar.
>>>> Hi Alias :) LTNS.
>>>>
>>> Hey, Rhonda, how's it going?
>>>
>>>> Where did you find this "Frank" character? He seems just a tad
>>>> nutty.
>>> He's our resident junk yard guard dog, keeping all the people out
>>> who aren't MS fan persons. He's all bark and no bite though ;-)

>>
>> Biting with no teeth is like thinking with no brain, and he seems to
>> have neither.

>
> He doesn't.
>
>>
>> I miss Kurt, but I'm glad to see you're still around. :)
>>

>
> Kurt made the Vista General scene for a week or two but then
> disappeared. Glad to see you back.
>

Yeah, another asshole POS losers ass for all of us to kick!
WoW!
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Re: alias the liar gets caught...again!

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> <--snipped the lies form the lying cock sucker-->
>>>>>> When you consider that 99% of all Windows users buy the OS
>>>>>> preinstalled on their new computer, who is MS targeting?
>>>>> You! You *DUMB FUCK*!
>>>> Impossible because all my software is legit, libeling liar.
>>>
>>> Hi Alias :) LTNS.
>>>
>>> Where did you find this "Frank" character? He seems just a tad nutty.
>>>

>> Obviously you're a newbie to this Windows 7 ng and to the Vista ng.

>
> She's not new to the Vista ng and has known me longer than you have.


Then she/he/it must be a sick as you are.
How wonderful!
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Joel wrote:
>>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Of course,
>>>>>> that *still* doesn't really address the basic point. No matter how
>>>>>> careful one is about what warez they install, it's at least *a tiny
>>>>>> bit* more dangerous than legal for-profit software.
>>>>> True but not as rampant as the software, music and film business
>>>>> would like you to believe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I really did not mean to insinuate that it's "rampant" (although one
>>>> could make the argument that if it's at all common, that's rampant
>>>> enough, since it's not worth the risk). I do think it's a lot more
>>>> common than people who practice it acknowledge, though, and that
>>>> discouraging it altogether is the only responsible action, since I
>>>> don't know who might be influenced into naively downloading something,
>>>> without understanding how to verify it.
>>>
>>> A lot of the verified pirated software is spread by CD/DVD between
>>> friends.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Warez was the name of a group of hackers
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez
>>>>> So, now they are calling all of it Warez. It used to be a specific
>>>>> group of hackers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess it would be hard to get that trademarked. ;)
>>>
>>> :D
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> No illogic involved, just your ignorance.
>>>>>> Once again, kiddie,
>>>>> I haven't been a kid in over 50 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess I just took you too much at your word about equating Windows
>>>> insecurity between legal and pirated forms - I should have realized it
>>>> was more of a general troll about Windows. :p Still, it makes me
>>>> wonder, as you would be about twice my age, why you're so aggressively
>>>> anti-MS.
>>>
>>> My first personal computer was the first Mac that came out in 84. It
>>> had a grand total of 128K memory. It was a cute little machine
>>> though. I'm against big business in general and those who try to
>>> impose a monopoly in particular. Some of us hippies are like that ;-)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> the "fool" and "ignorant" labels are getting
>>>>>> mirrored right back to ya. Why are you getting so sidetracked on
>>>>>> warez, anyway? It's so totally not relevant to the Linux vs. MS
>>>>>> debate. I think you occasionally make some decent posts about Linux,
>>>>>> but all the trolling, and bullshitting about warez, casts a shadow on
>>>>>> that.
>>>>> I am just stating the facts. I do not support piracy and have never
>>>>> used pirated software. Being able to know what's happening doesn't
>>>>> mean I am a part of it. I tell customers that bring us machines
>>>>> with pirated Windows that with us they have two choices: Linux or
>>>>> buy a copy of Windows.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the clarification. In all seriousness, I do recognize
>>>> that this is just a newsgroup, and as long as you're doing that in
>>>> your real-world business, I support you.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Stating the truth about MS and about piracy drives the MS fabois nuts.

>>
>> The truth is something you are incapable of knowing, let along spreading!
>> Oops!
>>
>> It's fun to watch ;-)
>>
>> The most fun is watching everyone in here kicking your lying ass! :)
>>

>
> Too bad all you can do is make up lies I've told that I haven't told.
> That makes you look pretty stupid and doesn't kick anyone's ass except
> your own.
>

Who exactly are you trying to fool, fool? You're like a little boy who
when he closes his eyes thinks no one can see him.

You are a known and admitted liar, cheat, and a thief and a bigoted
atheist asshole POS loser who is afraid of me and unable to defend the
honor of his supposed family.
Oops!
 
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