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German government warns against using MS Explorer

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John Hacker

Flightless Bird
Now this must be the news of 2010

After nearly 10 years of unlimited patches, hotfixes and service Packs,
IE is still a weak link in recent attacks on Google's systems. Either
M$ is now threatened by Googles rise to prominence or IE is completely
rubbish. Either way we should start taking instructions from the German
government if this article is anything to go by.

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8463516.stm>

Is google's search engine more powerful than M$ Bing?
 
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mayayana

Flightless Bird

> Now this must be the news of 2010
>

and 2011....and 2012....

IE problems are almost weekly. There's no news
there. People want convenience. They want
entertainment. They want to check their gmail,
edit their Facebook, watch silly videos, and shop
online. They don't want to learn new tools. So they
use IE and enable script.

The real surprise is that so many people
in high tech places -- people who should know
better -- are using IE and have script enabled.

What hope is there for the mainstream if the
people in the know are so lazy?
 
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Tony Toews [MVP]

Flightless Bird
John Hacker <Jr> <xfsgpr@googlemaiI.com> wrote:

>After nearly 10 years of unlimited patches, hotfixes and service Packs,
>IE is still a weak link in recent attacks on Google's systems.

"So far, Microsoft "has not seen widespread customer impact, rather
only targeted and limited attacks exploiting Internet Explorer 6""
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8460819.stm

Someone is still running IE 6?

Firefox and Mac OSs have just as many security vulnerabilities and
patches as IE and Windows.

Tony
--
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Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files
updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/
Granite Fleet Manager http://www.granitefleet.com/
 
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Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Flightless Bird
"Never argue with an idiot, they will just bring you down to their level and
then beat you with experience."

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, Tony Toews [MVP] asked:

| John Hacker <Jr> <xfsgpr@googlemaiI.com> wrote:
|
|| After nearly 10 years of unlimited patches, hotfixes and service
|| Packs, IE is still a weak link in recent attacks on Google's systems.
|
| "So far, Microsoft "has not seen widespread customer impact, rather
| only targeted and limited attacks exploiting Internet Explorer 6""
| http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8460819.stm
|
| Someone is still running IE 6?
|
| Firefox and Mac OSs have just as many security vulnerabilities and
| patches as IE and Windows.
|
| Tony
 
H

Hot-text

Flightless Bird
Someone is still running IE 6?
I RUN IE 6 on Windows 98
And I not the ONLY ONE!


"Tony Toews [MVP]" <ttoews@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:09q4l5dt75kefk6fjpn08279b7b0n73qmn@4ax.com...
> John Hacker <Jr> <xfsgpr@googlemaiI.com> wrote:
>
>>After nearly 10 years of unlimited patches, hotfixes and service Packs,
>>IE is still a weak link in recent attacks on Google's systems.
>
> "So far, Microsoft "has not seen widespread customer impact, rather
> only targeted and limited attacks exploiting Internet Explorer 6""
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8460819.stm
>
> Someone is still running IE 6?
>
> Firefox and Mac OSs have just as many security vulnerabilities and
> patches as IE and Windows.
>
> Tony
> --
> Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
> Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
> Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
> For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files
> updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/
> Granite Fleet Manager http://www.granitefleet.com/
 
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Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
Are you talking about this Security Release from Microsoft which was published a day
before yesterday which
addresses this issue.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/979352.mspx



--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"John Hacker" <Jrxfsgpr@googlemaiI.com> wrote in message
news:%23%238n8ovlKHA.1824@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Now this must be the news of 2010
>
> After nearly 10 years of unlimited patches, hotfixes and service Packs, IE is
> still a weak link in recent attacks on Google's systems. Either M$ is now
> threatened by Googles rise to prominence or IE is completely rubbish. Either way
> we should start taking instructions from the German government if this article is
> anything to go by.
>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8463516.stm>
>
> Is google's search engine more powerful than M$ Bing?
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
WTF is "MS Explorer"?

John Hacker wrote:
> Now this must be the news of 2010
>
> After nearly 10 years of unlimited patches, hotfixes and service Packs,
> IE is still a weak link in recent attacks on Google's systems. Either
> M$ is now threatened by Googles rise to prominence or IE is completely
> rubbish. Either way we should start taking instructions from the German
> government if this article is anything to go by.
>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8463516.stm>
>
> Is google's search engine more powerful than M$ Bing?
 
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senn

Flightless Bird
"John Hacker" <Jrxfsgpr@googlemaiI.com> skrev i meddelelsen
news:%23%238n8ovlKHA.1824@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Now this must be the news of 2010
>
> After nearly 10 years of unlimited patches, hotfixes and service Packs, IE
> is still a weak link in recent attacks on Google's systems. Either M$ is
> now threatened by Googles rise to prominence or IE is completely rubbish.
> Either way we should start taking instructions from the German government
> if this article is anything to go by.
>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8463516.stm>
>
> Is google's search engine more powerful than M$ Bing?

The reason of what look likes to you of many more virus
infections in IE browsers are surely a result of the very profound
inegualities in market share. This inegualities is perhaps as profound
as around 1 to 99 or till something around 5 to 99.
That said; you're right on another point. Windows users has been
overloaded with problems araising from the fact that too many new
programs has been sent out having problems, even all formers never
gets fully unbuged. Even far from unbuged. The company apparently
needs money and/or lacks qualified programmers.
And my windows 7 64bit is just as slow as Vista was. In fact, windows 7
is a disguised Vista.
/senn
 
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sgopus

Flightless Bird
inegualities? What?

"senn" wrote:

>
> "John Hacker" <Jrxfsgpr@googlemaiI.com> skrev i meddelelsen
> news:%23%238n8ovlKHA.1824@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > Now this must be the news of 2010
> >
> > After nearly 10 years of unlimited patches, hotfixes and service Packs, IE
> > is still a weak link in recent attacks on Google's systems. Either M$ is
> > now threatened by Googles rise to prominence or IE is completely rubbish.
> > Either way we should start taking instructions from the German government
> > if this article is anything to go by.
> >
> > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8463516.stm>
> >
> > Is google's search engine more powerful than M$ Bing?
>
> The reason of what look likes to you of many more virus
> infections in IE browsers are surely a result of the very profound
> inegualities in market share. This inegualities is perhaps as profound
> as around 1 to 99 or till something around 5 to 99.
> That said; you're right on another point. Windows users has been
> overloaded with problems araising from the fact that too many new
> programs has been sent out having problems, even all formers never
> gets fully unbuged. Even far from unbuged. The company apparently
> needs money and/or lacks qualified programmers.
> And my windows 7 64bit is just as slow as Vista was. In fact, windows 7
> is a disguised Vista.
> /senn
>
> .
>
 
T

Twayne

Flightless Bird
In news:67504D2A-8DB6-462E-B728-4248F4840D17@microsoft.com,
sgopus <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
> inegualities? What?
>
> "senn" wrote:

Good grief Snoopy! You can't figure that out?

>
>>
>> "John Hacker" <Jrxfsgpr@googlemaiI.com> skrev i meddelelsen
>> news:%23%238n8ovlKHA.1824@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Now this must be the news of 2010
>>>
>>> After nearly 10 years of unlimited patches, hotfixes and service
>>> Packs, IE is still a weak link in recent attacks on Google's
>>> systems. Either M$ is now threatened by Googles rise to prominence
>>> or IE is completely rubbish. Either way we should start taking
>>> instructions from the German government if this article is anything
>>> to go by.
>>>
>>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8463516.stm>
>>>
>>> Is google's search engine more powerful than M$ Bing?
>>
>> The reason of what look likes to you of many more virus
>> infections in IE browsers are surely a result of the very profound
>> inegualities in market share. This inegualities is perhaps as
>> profound as around 1 to 99 or till something around 5 to 99.
>> That said; you're right on another point. Windows users has been
>> overloaded with problems araising from the fact that too many new
>> programs has been sent out having problems, even all formers never
>> gets fully unbuged. Even far from unbuged. The company apparently
>> needs money and/or lacks qualified programmers.
>> And my windows 7 64bit is just as slow as Vista was. In fact,
>> windows 7 is a disguised Vista.
>> /senn
>>
>> .
 
T

Tom Willett

Flightless Bird
Troll alert.

"John Hacker" <Jrxfsgpr@googlemaiI.com> wrote in message
news:%23%238n8ovlKHA.1824@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
: Now this must be the news of 2010
:
: After nearly 10 years of unlimited patches, hotfixes and service Packs,
: IE is still a weak link in recent attacks on Google's systems. Either
: M$ is now threatened by Googles rise to prominence or IE is completely
: rubbish. Either way we should start taking instructions from the German
: government if this article is anything to go by.
:
: <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8463516.stm>
:
: Is google's search engine more powerful than M$ Bing?
 
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mayayana

Flightless Bird
I don't know if you noticed, but someone is
pasting an increasing number of groups onto this
thread.

>
> "So far, Microsoft "has not seen widespread customer impact, rather
> only targeted and limited attacks exploiting Internet Explorer 6""
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8460819.stm
>
> Someone is still running IE 6?
>

I'm running IE5. My approach is "Never update
anything from MS if you don't have to. The newer
one is always worse." (That's been my rule of
thumb since XP came out.)

But I wouldn't use IE online, either. I just use
it for running HTAs and testing webpages. The bigger
question is why people at Google and other big
tech. companies are using IE.

In any case, it's not just IE6. That's misinformation
that Microsoft is trying to spread. The exploit was found
in all versions from the beginning. It's been shown
to work in IE6/7 and to at least crash IE8:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/15/ie_zero_day_exploit_goes_wild/

> Firefox and Mac OSs have just as many security vulnerabilities and
> patches as IE and Windows.
>

If I were going to go online with script enabled
I'd much rather be using FF than IE. (But life's
too short to use MacOS, whether it's safe or not.:)
Firefox is also easier to configure. Even experts
have a challenging job setting the literally *thousands*
of Registry values associated with IE security. In
Firefox one can just enable or disable javascript.

I'll believe Microsoft cares about IE security when
they block all ActiveX and put a big red button on
the toolbar. The button will enable script per-site,
and when it's clicked it will show one of thise annoying
MS warnings: "Script is not safe. Are you sure you
want to enable script for this website?"

But that won't happen because online companies
want script for tracking, visitors want interactive
pages, and MS wants their browser to work well
with webpages, no matter what. ... And I suppose
that if they ever do rein in script/ActiveX that will be
about the time that exploits of Silverlight start popping
up. :)
 
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ANONYMOUS

Flightless Bird
Hey Tom with small penis,

Anybody who exposes M$ weakness becomes a troll but all MVPs <Most
Valuable
Pigs> who are poodle of M$ are doing a fantastic job - is this correct?
Do
you guys sleep around with each other as well and s u c k each others c
o c k
s and p u s s i e s?

Have you thought of doing something to your manhood so that your brain
can
also develop.

hth


Tom Willett wrote:

> Troll alert.
>
 
J

John Hacker

Flightless Bird
Surprisingly for all MVPs IE is a wonderful tool without thinking while all
those rational ordinary users are prepared to discuss and debate with an
open mind.

Does this say something about MVPs and their level of intelligence? I for
once don't want to bring myself to their level of intelligence if they are
so stupid. Milly, baby, take notice.

All MVPs have so far disagreed with the German Government and one wonders
whether MVPs are better placed to comment on such important issues publicly.

I for once don't take German Government at their face value because they
have, in the past instructed their offices to use Linux so I am not
surprised they came out with this latest salvo. However, M$ (Germany)
accepted that IE was the weak link so who am I to argue with them?

hth


"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" <what@ever> wrote in message
news:eXrJmexlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "Never argue with an idiot, they will just bring you down to their level
> and
> then beat you with experience."
>
> --
> Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
>
> Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
> ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
>
>
> After furious head scratching, Tony Toews [MVP] asked:
>
> | John Hacker <Jr> <xfsgpr@googlemaiI.com> wrote:
> |
> || After nearly 10 years of unlimited patches, hotfixes and service
> || Packs, IE is still a weak link in recent attacks on Google's systems.
> |
> | "So far, Microsoft "has not seen widespread customer impact, rather
> | only targeted and limited attacks exploiting Internet Explorer 6""
> | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8460819.stm
> |
> | Someone is still running IE 6?
> |
> | Firefox and Mac OSs have just as many security vulnerabilities and
> | patches as IE and Windows.
> |
> | Tony
>
>
 
R

Roy Smith

Flightless Bird
"mayayana" <mayaXXyana@rcXXn.com> wrote in message
news:updnlZHmKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> I don't know if you noticed, but someone is
> pasting an increasing number of groups onto this
> thread.

What's keeping you from deleting them? Laziness?


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7
 
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