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[Fwd: Re: Is defraging necessary?]

L

LDS5ZRA

Flightless Bird
FYI


No it is not absolute necessity to defrag your HD unless you want
to kill time doing something. The nutters who have said that you
should defrag your HD every week or even every month are likely to
be loners and jobless.

There is no evidence that defragging speeds up your system in any
shape or form. No something you will notice it when using your
system everyday.

hth


Lisa wrote:
>
> I was told by a computer repairman that it's not necessary to defrag my
> laptop. If the hard drive gets full, remove files and always make sure I'm
> using a virus protection.
> What are your thoughts?


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J

Jose

Flightless Bird
On May 14, 6:33 pm, LDS5ZRA <LDS5...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> FYI
>
> No it is not absolute necessity to defrag your HD unless you want
> to kill time doing something.  The nutters who have said that you
> should defrag your HD every week or even every month are likely to
> be loners and jobless.
>
> There is no evidence that defragging speeds up your system in any
> shape or form.  No something you will notice it when using your
> system everyday.
>
> hth
>
> Lisa wrote:
>
> > I was told by a computer repairman that it's not necessary to defrag my
> > laptop.  If the hard drive gets full, remove files and always make sure I'm
> > using a virus protection.
> > What are your thoughts?

>
> --
> THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY
> KIND. LDS5ZRA DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESSED OR
> IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND
> FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. IN NO EVENT SHALL LDS5ZRA
> OR HIS ASSOCIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER
> INCLUDING DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, LOSS OF
> BUSINESS PROFITS OR SPECIAL DAMAGES,  EVEN IF LDS5ZRA OR HIS
> ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
> DAMAGES. SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR
> LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL
> DAMAGES SO THE FOREGOING LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY.
>
> Copyright LDS5ZRA 2010.


Microsoft states in their TechNet discussions that NTFS is designed
to
resist fragmentation, but it is not immune to it, and that there is a
benefit to properly defragmenting an NTFS volume.

If fragmentation was not possible in NTFS it seems unlikely that
Microsoft (and other experts) would expend so much effort discussing
how to detect it, how to deal with it and and how to prevent it.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc767961.aspx
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
On 05/15/2010 12:27 PM, Jose wrote:
> On May 14, 6:33 pm, LDS5ZRA<LDS5...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> FYI
>>
>> No it is not absolute necessity to defrag your HD unless you want
>> to kill time doing something. The nutters who have said that you
>> should defrag your HD every week or even every month are likely to
>> be loners and jobless.
>>
>> There is no evidence that defragging speeds up your system in any
>> shape or form. No something you will notice it when using your
>> system everyday.
>>
>> hth
>>
>> Lisa wrote:
>>
>>> I was told by a computer repairman that it's not necessary to defrag my
>>> laptop. If the hard drive gets full, remove files and always make sure I'm
>>> using a virus protection.
>>> What are your thoughts?

>>
>> --
>> THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY
>> KIND. LDS5ZRA DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESSED OR
>> IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND
>> FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. IN NO EVENT SHALL LDS5ZRA
>> OR HIS ASSOCIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER
>> INCLUDING DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, LOSS OF
>> BUSINESS PROFITS OR SPECIAL DAMAGES, EVEN IF LDS5ZRA OR HIS
>> ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
>> DAMAGES. SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR
>> LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL
>> DAMAGES SO THE FOREGOING LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY.
>>
>> Copyright LDS5ZRA 2010.

>
> Microsoft states in their TechNet discussions that NTFS is designed
> to
> resist fragmentation, but it is not immune to it, and that there is a
> benefit to properly defragmenting an NTFS volume.
>
> If fragmentation was not possible in NTFS it seems unlikely that
> Microsoft (and other experts) would expend so much effort discussing
> how to detect it, how to deal with it and and how to prevent it.
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc767961.aspx


I've seen machines with over 6,000 files fragmented that took five
minutes to boot. After a clean up and a defrag, the boot took a little
over a minute.

--
Alias
 
K

Ken

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> On 05/15/2010 12:27 PM, Jose wrote:
>> On May 14, 6:33 pm, LDS5ZRA<LDS5...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> FYI
>>>
>>> No it is not absolute necessity to defrag your HD unless you want
>>> to kill time doing something. The nutters who have said that you
>>> should defrag your HD every week or even every month are likely to
>>> be loners and jobless.
>>>
>>> There is no evidence that defragging speeds up your system in any
>>> shape or form. No something you will notice it when using your
>>> system everyday.
>>>
>>> hth
>>>
>>> Lisa wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was told by a computer repairman that it's not necessary to defrag my
>>>> laptop. If the hard drive gets full, remove files and always make
>>>> sure I'm
>>>> using a virus protection.
>>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>
>>> --
>>> THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY
>>> KIND. LDS5ZRA DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESSED OR
>>> IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND
>>> FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. IN NO EVENT SHALL LDS5ZRA
>>> OR HIS ASSOCIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER
>>> INCLUDING DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, LOSS OF
>>> BUSINESS PROFITS OR SPECIAL DAMAGES, EVEN IF LDS5ZRA OR HIS
>>> ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
>>> DAMAGES. SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR
>>> LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL
>>> DAMAGES SO THE FOREGOING LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY.
>>>
>>> Copyright LDS5ZRA 2010.

>>
>> Microsoft states in their TechNet discussions that NTFS is designed
>> to
>> resist fragmentation, but it is not immune to it, and that there is a
>> benefit to properly defragmenting an NTFS volume.
>>
>> If fragmentation was not possible in NTFS it seems unlikely that
>> Microsoft (and other experts) would expend so much effort discussing
>> how to detect it, how to deal with it and and how to prevent it.
>>
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc767961.aspx

>
> I've seen machines with over 6,000 files fragmented that took five
> minutes to boot. After a clean up and a defrag, the boot took a little
> over a minute.
>


Amen!! I have seen the same thing.
 
L

Leythos

Flightless Bird
In article <hsm0vh$lkp$11@news.eternal-september.org>,
aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com says...
> I've seen machines with over 6,000 files fragmented that took five
> minutes to boot. After a clean up and a defrag, the boot took a little
> over a minute.
>


We had one customer that gets scanned documents for orders, taking in
4000-8000 PDF's per day. The document images have their own array/drive
bank, and the images are stored, read by an app, users add notes to the
PDF's, and they are retained for years.

The vendor claimed no defrag was needed.

The system flew (was fast) for the first 6 months, then older users
reported hesitations - the vendor claimed it was normal.

The system, at 1 year, was starting to show Time-Out errors switching
between PDF's in the application - vendor claimed it was normal with
such a high volume of orders...

At 1.5 years the system would generate time-out errors every few
documents, new orders were failing also....

Vendor worked on it for a week and could not resolve it, changed RAID
caching levels, added memory, wanted to add MORE DRIVES. They even
suggested moving from a DUAL Quad CPU system to a QUAD CPU system.

I took the system offline for about 8 hours, used JK Defrag and had it
leave slack space between areas, restarted everything, low and behold,
it performed like the first day it was put into service....

--
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A

Alias

Flightless Bird
On 05/15/2010 05:57 PM, Leythos wrote:
> In article<hsm0vh$lkp$11@news.eternal-september.org>,
> aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com says...
>> I've seen machines with over 6,000 files fragmented that took five
>> minutes to boot. After a clean up and a defrag, the boot took a little
>> over a minute.
>>

>
> We had one customer that gets scanned documents for orders, taking in
> 4000-8000 PDF's per day. The document images have their own array/drive
> bank, and the images are stored, read by an app, users add notes to the
> PDF's, and they are retained for years.
>
> The vendor claimed no defrag was needed.
>
> The system flew (was fast) for the first 6 months, then older users
> reported hesitations - the vendor claimed it was normal.
>
> The system, at 1 year, was starting to show Time-Out errors switching
> between PDF's in the application - vendor claimed it was normal with
> such a high volume of orders...
>
> At 1.5 years the system would generate time-out errors every few
> documents, new orders were failing also....
>
> Vendor worked on it for a week and could not resolve it, changed RAID
> caching levels, added memory, wanted to add MORE DRIVES. They even
> suggested moving from a DUAL Quad CPU system to a QUAD CPU system.
>
> I took the system offline for about 8 hours, used JK Defrag and had it
> leave slack space between areas, restarted everything, low and behold,
> it performed like the first day it was put into service....
>


It's called MyDefrag v4.0 now. See http://kessels.com/jkdefrag/

--
Alias
 
B

Billns

Flightless Bird
On 5/15/2010 9:05 AM, Alias wrote:
> On 05/15/2010 05:57 PM, Leythos wrote:
>> In article<hsm0vh$lkp$11@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com says...
>>> I've seen machines with over 6,000 files fragmented that took five
>>> minutes to boot. After a clean up and a defrag, the boot took a little
>>> over a minute.
>>>

>>
>> We had one customer that gets scanned documents for orders, taking in
>> 4000-8000 PDF's per day. The document images have their own array/drive
>> bank, and the images are stored, read by an app, users add notes to the
>> PDF's, and they are retained for years.
>>
>> The vendor claimed no defrag was needed.
>>
>> The system flew (was fast) for the first 6 months, then older users
>> reported hesitations - the vendor claimed it was normal.
>>
>> The system, at 1 year, was starting to show Time-Out errors switching
>> between PDF's in the application - vendor claimed it was normal with
>> such a high volume of orders...
>>
>> At 1.5 years the system would generate time-out errors every few
>> documents, new orders were failing also....
>>
>> Vendor worked on it for a week and could not resolve it, changed RAID
>> caching levels, added memory, wanted to add MORE DRIVES. They even
>> suggested moving from a DUAL Quad CPU system to a QUAD CPU system.
>>
>> I took the system offline for about 8 hours, used JK Defrag and had it
>> leave slack space between areas, restarted everything, low and behold,
>> it performed like the first day it was put into service....
>>

>
> It's called MyDefrag v4.0 now. See http://kessels.com/jkdefrag/
>

....and it's an excellent program with many options. But it certainly
doesn't have to be run every day or every week.

Bill
 
L

Leythos

Flightless Bird
In article <hsmgo0$1vd$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com says...
>
> On 05/15/2010 05:57 PM, Leythos wrote:
> > In article<hsm0vh$lkp$11@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com says...
> >> I've seen machines with over 6,000 files fragmented that took five
> >> minutes to boot. After a clean up and a defrag, the boot took a little
> >> over a minute.
> >>

> >
> > We had one customer that gets scanned documents for orders, taking in
> > 4000-8000 PDF's per day. The document images have their own array/drive
> > bank, and the images are stored, read by an app, users add notes to the
> > PDF's, and they are retained for years.
> >
> > The vendor claimed no defrag was needed.
> >
> > The system flew (was fast) for the first 6 months, then older users
> > reported hesitations - the vendor claimed it was normal.
> >
> > The system, at 1 year, was starting to show Time-Out errors switching
> > between PDF's in the application - vendor claimed it was normal with
> > such a high volume of orders...
> >
> > At 1.5 years the system would generate time-out errors every few
> > documents, new orders were failing also....
> >
> > Vendor worked on it for a week and could not resolve it, changed RAID
> > caching levels, added memory, wanted to add MORE DRIVES. They even
> > suggested moving from a DUAL Quad CPU system to a QUAD CPU system.
> >
> > I took the system offline for about 8 hours, used JK Defrag and had it
> > leave slack space between areas, restarted everything, low and behold,
> > it performed like the first day it was put into service....
> >

>
> It's called MyDefrag v4.0 now. See http://kessels.com/jkdefrag/


Yes, I know, but it was called JKDefrag when I used it in this example.

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voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
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T

Tony

Flightless Bird
Ken wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> On 05/15/2010 12:27 PM, Jose wrote:
>>> On May 14, 6:33 pm, LDS5ZRA<LDS5...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>> FYI
>>>>
>>>> No it is not absolute necessity to defrag your HD unless you want
>>>> to kill time doing something. The nutters who have said that you
>>>> should defrag your HD every week or even every month are likely to
>>>> be loners and jobless.
>>>>
>>>> There is no evidence that defragging speeds up your system in any
>>>> shape or form. No something you will notice it when using your
>>>> system everyday.
>>>>
>>>> hth
>>>>
>>>> Lisa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was told by a computer repairman that it's not necessary to
>>>>> defrag my
>>>>> laptop. If the hard drive gets full, remove files and always make
>>>>> sure I'm
>>>>> using a virus protection.
>>>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY
>>>> KIND. LDS5ZRA DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESSED OR
>>>> IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND
>>>> FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. IN NO EVENT SHALL LDS5ZRA
>>>> OR HIS ASSOCIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER
>>>> INCLUDING DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, LOSS OF
>>>> BUSINESS PROFITS OR SPECIAL DAMAGES, EVEN IF LDS5ZRA OR HIS
>>>> ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
>>>> DAMAGES. SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR
>>>> LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL
>>>> DAMAGES SO THE FOREGOING LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY.
>>>>
>>>> Copyright LDS5ZRA 2010.
>>>
>>> Microsoft states in their TechNet discussions that NTFS is designed
>>> to
>>> resist fragmentation, but it is not immune to it, and that there is a
>>> benefit to properly defragmenting an NTFS volume.
>>>
>>> If fragmentation was not possible in NTFS it seems unlikely that
>>> Microsoft (and other experts) would expend so much effort discussing
>>> how to detect it, how to deal with it and and how to prevent it.
>>>
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc767961.aspx

>>
>> I've seen machines with over 6,000 files fragmented that took five
>> minutes to boot. After a clean up and a defrag, the boot took a little
>> over a minute.
>>

>
> Amen!! I have seen the same thing.



As have I. A friend came to me once complaining that her computer had
slowed to a snail's pace. When I asked her "When was the last time you
defragged the drive?" she had no idea what I was talking about. She'd
had the computer three years. I told her how to start defrag, and told
her it might take a while. Two days later she told me it took *eight
hours*, but that she was astonished how much faster her computer was
running now.

Tony
 
H

HeyBub

Flightless Bird
Jose wrote:
>
> Microsoft states in their TechNet discussions that NTFS is designed
> to
> resist fragmentation, but it is not immune to it, and that there is a
> benefit to properly defragmenting an NTFS volume.
>
> If fragmentation was not possible in NTFS it seems unlikely that
> Microsoft (and other experts) would expend so much effort discussing
> how to detect it, how to deal with it and and how to prevent it.
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc767961.aspx


Right. If you have a database that's processing several thousand additions
and deletions per minute, and sundry other high-volume transactions, the
volume may be a candidate for defragmentation.

For anything less than the American Airlines Reservations System or the
Social Security Administration, defragging is similar to a monthly
application of mineral oil to your kitchen drain (to lubricate the pipes).
 
H

HeyBub

Flightless Bird
Leythos wrote:
> In article <hsm0vh$lkp$11@news.eternal-september.org>,
> aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com says...
>> I've seen machines with over 6,000 files fragmented that took five
>> minutes to boot. After a clean up and a defrag, the boot took a
>> little over a minute.
>>

>
> We had one customer that gets scanned documents for orders, taking in
> 4000-8000 PDF's per day. The document images have their own
> array/drive bank, and the images are stored, read by an app, users
> add notes to the PDF's, and they are retained for years.
>
> The vendor claimed no defrag was needed.
>
> The system flew (was fast) for the first 6 months, then older users
> reported hesitations - the vendor claimed it was normal.
>
> The system, at 1 year, was starting to show Time-Out errors switching
> between PDF's in the application - vendor claimed it was normal with
> such a high volume of orders...
>
> At 1.5 years the system would generate time-out errors every few
> documents, new orders were failing also....
>
> Vendor worked on it for a week and could not resolve it, changed RAID
> caching levels, added memory, wanted to add MORE DRIVES. They even
> suggested moving from a DUAL Quad CPU system to a QUAD CPU system.
>
> I took the system offline for about 8 hours, used JK Defrag and had it
> leave slack space between areas, restarted everything, low and behold,
> it performed like the first day it was put into service....


That was a FAT-32 drive. Right?
 
T

Twayne

Flightless Bird
Re: Re: Is defraging necessary?]

I guess the laws of physics simply suspend themselves for those such as you,
eh?


In news:4BEDE98B.B6C61552@discussions.microsoft.com,
LDS5ZRA <LDS5ZRA@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
> FYI
>
>
> No it is not absolute necessity to defrag your HD unless
> you want to kill time doing something.


Almost true; but that says nothing about head seek times et al which will
extend the time things take. Apparently you do nothing but spew your crap
on newsgroups and so it'll never matter to you.

The nutters who
> have said that you should defrag your HD every week or even
> every month are likely to be loners and jobless.


Funny: Where I learned about defragging and why/how/when was on the job
originally. You need more education but it's obvious you'll never get it,
since the laws of physics suspend themselves for you.

HTH,

Twayne`

> There is no evidence that defragging speeds up your system
> in any shape or form. No something you will notice it when
> using your system everyday.
>
> hth
>
>
> Lisa wrote:
>>
>> I was told by a computer repairman that it's not necessary
>> to defrag my laptop. If the hard drive gets full, remove
>> files and always make sure I'm using a virus protection.
>> What are your thoughts?
 
T

Twayne

Flightless Bird
In news:%23cIR$LF9KHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
Billns <billns@nsverizon.net> typed:
> On 5/15/2010 9:05 AM, Alias wrote:
>> On 05/15/2010 05:57 PM, Leythos wrote:
>>> In article<hsm0vh$lkp$11@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com says...
>>>> I've seen machines with over 6,000 files fragmented that
>>>> took five minutes to boot. After a clean up and a
>>>> defrag, the boot took a little over a minute.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We had one customer that gets scanned documents for
>>> orders, taking in 4000-8000 PDF's per day. The document
>>> images have their own array/drive bank, and the images
>>> are stored, read by an app, users add notes to the PDF's,
>>> and they are retained for years. The vendor claimed no defrag was
>>> needed.
>>>
>>> The system flew (was fast) for the first 6 months, then
>>> older users reported hesitations - the vendor claimed it
>>> was normal. The system, at 1 year, was starting to show Time-Out
>>> errors switching between PDF's in the application -
>>> vendor claimed it was normal with such a high volume of
>>> orders... At 1.5 years the system would generate time-out errors
>>> every few documents, new orders were failing also....
>>>
>>> Vendor worked on it for a week and could not resolve it,
>>> changed RAID caching levels, added memory, wanted to add
>>> MORE DRIVES. They even suggested moving from a DUAL Quad
>>> CPU system to a QUAD CPU system. I took the system offline for about 8
>>> hours, used JK
>>> Defrag and had it leave slack space between areas,
>>> restarted everything, low and behold, it performed like
>>> the first day it was put into service....

>>
>> It's called MyDefrag v4.0 now. See
>> http://kessels.com/jkdefrag/

> ...and it's an excellent program with many options. But it
> certainly doesn't have to be run every day or every week.
>
> Bill


I don't believe anyone ever said that so it's irrelevant. But even if one
does, as long as they are on a working UPS, nothing is apt to go wrong
except extra wear and tear on the drive head mechanisms.
I however related one set of apps in an earlier post that I use a
dedicated drive for, and which requires a defrag after EVERY session unless
I want thing to get really slow on that drive! I didn't believe it when I
first read it, but experience is the best teacher; they meant what they
said.

HTH,

Twayne`
 
L

LDS5ZRA

Flightless Bird
Re: Is defraging necessary?]

Don't talk about Physics because you are the first person
definitely not qualified to comment on that topic. I AM!

HTH


Twayne wrote:
>
> I guess the laws of physics simply suspend themselves for those such as you,
> eh?
>


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KIND. LDS5ZRA DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESSED OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. IN NO EVENT SHALL LDS5ZRA
OR HIS ASSOCIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER
INCLUDING DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, LOSS OF
BUSINESS PROFITS OR SPECIAL DAMAGES, EVEN IF LDS5ZRA OR HIS
ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
DAMAGES. SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR
LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL
DAMAGES SO THE FOREGOING LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY.

Copyright LDS5ZRA 2010.
 
L

Leythos

Flightless Bird
In article <uu5buMS9KHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, heybub@gmail.com
says...
> For anything less than the American Airlines Reservations System or the
> Social Security Administration, defragging is similar to a monthly
> application of mineral oil to your kitchen drain (to lubricate the pipes).
>


Small office using PeachTree, 200 accounts in system, 5 accountants,
reports taking 10+ minutes to generate or time-out, system in use only 1
year, 1.8TB of free space on drive where PT is installed. The only
maintenance needed to fix the issue was to defrag the server, file level
defrag.

Small office, 10 users, concrete company, same type of issue, QB, custom
MS Access application, random errors, random time-outs, defrag returned
performance to like new - in operation about 2 years, 300GB free drive
space on server....

Single computer, 1TB drive space, single drive, user editing videos,
creating DVD's would sometimes fail, about 100GB free at any time.
Defrag (file defrag) resolved issues - scheduled for monthly defrag on
weekend, no errors have returned.

Single computer, 500GB drive, multiple online games with large map
databases, about 80GB free, maps reported to take significantly longer
to load causing other online players to have to wait for this person to
enter the map - defragged the drive and maps load 30 seconds faster than
before.

Like it or not, defrag does help system performance IN THE REAL WORLD
and even on small computer systems.

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voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
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L

Leythos

Flightless Bird
In article <OTShWNS9KHA.3176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, heybub@gmail.com
says...
>
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <hsm0vh$lkp$11@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com says...
> >> I've seen machines with over 6,000 files fragmented that took five
> >> minutes to boot. After a clean up and a defrag, the boot took a
> >> little over a minute.
> >>

> >
> > We had one customer that gets scanned documents for orders, taking in
> > 4000-8000 PDF's per day. The document images have their own
> > array/drive bank, and the images are stored, read by an app, users
> > add notes to the PDF's, and they are retained for years.
> >
> > The vendor claimed no defrag was needed.
> >
> > The system flew (was fast) for the first 6 months, then older users
> > reported hesitations - the vendor claimed it was normal.
> >
> > The system, at 1 year, was starting to show Time-Out errors switching
> > between PDF's in the application - vendor claimed it was normal with
> > such a high volume of orders...
> >
> > At 1.5 years the system would generate time-out errors every few
> > documents, new orders were failing also....
> >
> > Vendor worked on it for a week and could not resolve it, changed RAID
> > caching levels, added memory, wanted to add MORE DRIVES. They even
> > suggested moving from a DUAL Quad CPU system to a QUAD CPU system.
> >
> > I took the system offline for about 8 hours, used JK Defrag and had it
> > leave slack space between areas, restarted everything, low and behold,
> > it performed like the first day it was put into service....

>
> That was a FAT-32 drive. Right?


Windows Server 2003, NTFS, 12 drives in a single RAID-5 with 512MB RAID
CACHE controller.

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