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File Change Error Message

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Shoe, Jul 23, 2010.

  1. Shoe

    Shoe Flightless Bird

    I frequently get an error message when I try to move a file or change
    the name. The error says that I cannot do that because the file is
    open in another program. The file is not open in any program I know
    of. Has anyone else seen this or have a solution?
     
  2. johnbee

    johnbee Flightless Bird

    "Shoe" <j_shoe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:m1nj46plf4s2048csppst70ih4ig0pbhj6@4ax.com...
    > I frequently get an error message when I try to move a file or change
    > the name. The error says that I cannot do that because the file is
    > open in another program. The file is not open in any program I know
    > of. Has anyone else seen this or have a solution?


    My guess is that you have been using the file, but closed the program, then
    tried to do something to the file. (an .AVI ?)

    The effect is caused by the fact that when an application is closed, every
    process (i.e. sub-programs started up by the main program) is not
    automatically ended. There might well be quite a few left over which the
    operating system is taking its time to close.

    Also it is quite difficult to get programmers to ensure that every single
    subprocess is closed - when the user clicks, say, on the x in the title bar,
    programmers just end the thing at that point, leaving things running - all
    the programmer has to do is put in an END statement. This usually doesn't
    matter because at worst they will all close when you switch off. However
    because some users have things start automatically when they log in, some
    processes are effectively permanently running.

    So its a mixture of programmers not being ruled with an iron fist, an
    operating system with a slight weakness, and a user acting in a way which
    was not anticipated. In fact it is quite possible to write a program which
    starts a subprocess and ends itself, intending the subprocess to continue,
    as a legitimate technique, so do not take this as a harsh criticism of
    Windows.

    OK, so the bottom line is that you can get software which will show you all
    files which are opened, and which processes have them open. If you get one,
    and find out which process is preventing you doing what you want, do
    Ctrl/Alt/Delete to start Task Manager and end the process.

    Also it could be all sorts of other things as well: I have written this
    assuming that you are correct in thinking that you are sure you do not have
    the file open in something you are running.

    Ain't computers wonderful things?.
     
  3. Gene E. Bloch

    Gene E. Bloch Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:16:51 -0400, Shoe wrote:

    > I frequently get an error message when I try to move a file or change
    > the name. The error says that I cannot do that because the file is
    > open in another program. The file is not open in any program I know
    > of. Has anyone else seen this or have a solution?


    I imagine that *everyone* has seen this...

    What I do if I can't establish which program is holding the file open is to
    reboot & try again. If that fails to clear the problem, I reboot to Safe
    Mode. If that doesn't do it either, I boot to Safe Mode with Command
    Prompt.

    A fourth step would be to boot to a CD with sufficient tools to let you get
    at the file system and delete it from there.

    There are programs that run under Windows which purport to unlock files.
    You could ignore all the above and try running one of them. My only reason
    not to have suggested that first is that I have tried that a few times with
    a couple of different programs without any success.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
  4. GlowingBlueMist

    GlowingBlueMist Flightless Bird

    On 7/23/2010 1:16 PM, Shoe wrote:
    > I frequently get an error message when I try to move a file or change
    > the name. The error says that I cannot do that because the file is
    > open in another program. The file is not open in any program I know
    > of. Has anyone else seen this or have a solution?


    I use the program called Unlocker to check on errors of this type.
    It will normally show me the name of the program that caused the error
    message.

    Then I either deal with that problem or allow the program to deal with
    it for me.

    Using the program it normally can unlock or even delete the problem file
    or folder at my discretion.

    This freeware program can be found at the author's web site:
    http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/
     
  5. GlowingBlueMist

    GlowingBlueMist Flightless Bird

    On 7/23/2010 1:16 PM, Shoe wrote:
    > I frequently get an error message when I try to move a file or change
    > the name. The error says that I cannot do that because the file is
    > open in another program. The file is not open in any program I know
    > of. Has anyone else seen this or have a solution?


    I use the program called Unlocker to check on errors of this type.
    It will normally show me the name of the program that caused the error
    message.

    Then I either deal with that problem or allow the program to deal with
    it for me.

    Using the program it normally can unlock or even delete the problem file
    or folder at my discretion.

    This freeware program can be found at the author's web site:
    http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/
     
  6. Zaidy036

    Zaidy036 Flightless Bird

    In article <m1nj46plf4s2048csppst70ih4ig0pbhj6@4ax.com>, j_shoe@yahoo.com
    says...
    >
    > I frequently get an error message when I try to move a file or change
    > the name. The error says that I cannot do that because the file is
    > open in another program. The file is not open in any program I know
    > of. Has anyone else seen this or have a solution?


    Sometimes the program that last used the file is still running even when its
    icon is no longer in the system tray.

    Most frequently I find this with Word and must use Task Manager to kill
    winword.exe.
     
  7. Helroy

    Helroy Flightless Bird

    "GlowingBlueMist" <GlowingBlueMist@truely.invalid> wrote in message
    news:i2dg2v$7op$1@tornado.tornevall.net...
    > On 7/23/2010 1:16 PM, Shoe wrote:
    >> I frequently get an error message when I try to move a file or change
    >> the name. The error says that I cannot do that because the file is
    >> open in another program. The file is not open in any program I know
    >> of. Has anyone else seen this or have a solution?

    >
    > I use the program called Unlocker to check on errors of this type.
    > It will normally show me the name of the program that caused the error
    > message.
    >
    > Then I either deal with that problem or allow the program to deal with it
    > for me.
    >
    > Using the program it normally can unlock or even delete the problem file
    > or folder at my discretion.
    >
    > This freeware program can be found at the author's web site:
    > http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/
    >



    Win& IE8 reports:
    This website has been reported as unsafe
    ccollomb.free.fr
     
  8. Shoe

    Shoe Flightless Bird

    On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:28:05 -0400, Zaidy036
    <Zaidy036NOSPAM@optonline.net> wrote:

    >In article <m1nj46plf4s2048csppst70ih4ig0pbhj6@4ax.com>, j_shoe@yahoo.com
    >says...
    >>
    >> I frequently get an error message when I try to move a file or change
    >> the name. The error says that I cannot do that because the file is
    >> open in another program. The file is not open in any program I know
    >> of. Has anyone else seen this or have a solution?

    >
    >Sometimes the program that last used the file is still running even when its
    >icon is no longer in the system tray.
    >
    >Most frequently I find this with Word and must use Task Manager to kill
    >winword.exe.

    Thanks to all for the great responses. I suspected that there was
    something still running that caused the problem and will try your
    suggestions.
     
  9. Andrew

    Andrew Flightless Bird

    "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message
    news:18hrn0mw1gknb$.1wjrt0zzbw318$.dlg@40tude.net...
    > On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:16:51 -0400, Shoe wrote:
    >
    >> I frequently get an error message when I try to move a file or change
    >> the name. The error says that I cannot do that because the file is
    >> open in another program. The file is not open in any program I know
    >> of. Has anyone else seen this or have a solution?

    >
    > I imagine that *everyone* has seen this...
    >
    > What I do if I can't establish which program is holding the file open is
    > to
    > reboot & try again. If that fails to clear the problem, I reboot to Safe
    > Mode. If that doesn't do it either, I boot to Safe Mode with Command
    > Prompt.
    >
    > A fourth step would be to boot to a CD with sufficient tools to let you
    > get
    > at the file system and delete it from there.
    >
    > There are programs that run under Windows which purport to unlock files.
    > You could ignore all the above and try running one of them. My only reason
    > not to have suggested that first is that I have tried that a few times
    > with
    > a couple of different programs without any success.
    >


    I would never reboot in that situation.
    I would run process explorer and find the process that is using the file.
    If no processes are using the file, I generally kill explorer.exe. Which
    tons of stuff runs under.
    That does it just about every time.



    --
    Andrew
    > --
    > Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
  10. GlowingBlueMist

    GlowingBlueMist Flightless Bird

    On 7/24/2010 7:59 AM, Helroy wrote:
    >
    > "GlowingBlueMist" <GlowingBlueMist@truely.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:i2dg2v$7op$1@tornado.tornevall.net...
    >> On 7/23/2010 1:16 PM, Shoe wrote:
    >>> I frequently get an error message when I try to move a file or change
    >>> the name. The error says that I cannot do that because the file is
    >>> open in another program. The file is not open in any program I know
    >>> of. Has anyone else seen this or have a solution?

    >>
    >> I use the program called Unlocker to check on errors of this type.
    >> It will normally show me the name of the program that caused the error
    >> message.
    >>
    >> Then I either deal with that problem or allow the program to deal with
    >> it for me.
    >>
    >> Using the program it normally can unlock or even delete the problem
    >> file or folder at my discretion.
    >>
    >> This freeware program can be found at the author's web site:
    >> http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/
    >>

    >
    >
    > Win& IE8 reports:
    > This website has been reported as unsafe
    > ccollomb.free.fr
    >
    >

    Strange, Filehippo and CNET still offer the program as virus free...

    Who knows if it is a false positive based on the author's hosting web
    site or if the program actually contains real trojan?
     
  11. Gene E. Bloch

    Gene E. Bloch Flightless Bird

    On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:08:23 -0700, Andrew wrote:

    > "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:18hrn0mw1gknb$.1wjrt0zzbw318$.dlg@40tude.net...
    >> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:16:51 -0400, Shoe wrote:
    >>
    >>> I frequently get an error message when I try to move a file or change
    >>> the name. The error says that I cannot do that because the file is
    >>> open in another program. The file is not open in any program I know
    >>> of. Has anyone else seen this or have a solution?

    >>
    >> I imagine that *everyone* has seen this...
    >>
    >> What I do if I can't establish which program is holding the file open is
    >> to
    >> reboot & try again. If that fails to clear the problem, I reboot to Safe
    >> Mode. If that doesn't do it either, I boot to Safe Mode with Command
    >> Prompt.
    >>
    >> A fourth step would be to boot to a CD with sufficient tools to let you
    >> get
    >> at the file system and delete it from there.
    >>
    >> There are programs that run under Windows which purport to unlock files.
    >> You could ignore all the above and try running one of them. My only reason
    >> not to have suggested that first is that I have tried that a few times
    >> with
    >> a couple of different programs without any success.
    >>

    >
    > I would never reboot in that situation.
    > I would run process explorer and find the process that is using the file.
    > If no processes are using the file, I generally kill explorer.exe. Which
    > tons of stuff runs under.
    > That does it just about every time.


    OK, I might try your method next time. Glad to learn something new.

    Although I usually couldn't find the program that had locked the file even
    when using PE or the downloadable unlocker tools, sadly.

    BTW, killing Explorer wasn't any help in Vista when I had problems ejecting
    USB drives. Win 7 does a lot better about unlocking drives when programs
    exit, so lately it hasn't usually been a problem for me. Yes, I do know
    it's not the same thing as locked programs...or maybe it is :)

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     

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