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Duplicate Windows Updares

D

D.

Flightless Bird
Can someone tell me how I
might remove several duplicate
windows updates ?
TIA ,
D.
 
D

D.

Flightless Bird
That's Updates .


"D." <wdstk@sover.net> wrote in message
news:i439io$oid$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Can someone tell me how I
> might remove several duplicate
> windows updates ?
> TIA ,
> D.
>
 
J

Jose

Flightless Bird
On Aug 13, 7:16 am, "D." <wd...@sover.net> wrote:
> Can someone tell me how I
> might remove several duplicate
> windows updates ?
>                           TIA ,
>                              D.


What is your XP version and Service Pack?

How did you determine that you have duplicate Windows updates and
which updates do you think are duplicates?

If you would supply a few more clues, you might get some better ideas!
 
D

D.

Flightless Bird
Thanks for the reply .
I found these in " Update History " .
XP home SP3
These are the duplicates :
kb 983583
kb 982524
kb 979909
kb 982168
There are multiple ( 5-6 )
entries for all of these .
TIA ,
D.

"Jose" <jose_ease@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4cf37393-3b49-4f23-ba27-31aaed09e2ee@l6g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 13, 7:16 am, "D." <wd...@sover.net> wrote:
> Can someone tell me how I
> might remove several duplicate
> windows updates ?
> TIA ,
> D.


What is your XP version and Service Pack?

How did you determine that you have duplicate Windows updates and
which updates do you think are duplicates?

If you would supply a few more clues, you might get some better ideas!
 
O

Ohboy77

Flightless Bird
Updates failded

Hi,
I have the same errors in the applications events.
I notice that I cannot complete the windows update and I got errors. So I
decide to read the event viewer and this is two of the 5 errors that I get :

My os is XP Pro SP3.

Event Type: Error
Event Source: HotFixInstaller
Event Category: None
Event ID: 5000
Date: 8/13/2010
Time: 10:54:47
User: N/A
Computer: IGA006621
Description:
EventType visualstudio8setup, P1 microsoft .net framework 2.0-kb979909, P2
1033, P3 1605, P4 msi, P5 f, P6 9.0.40302.0, P7 install, P8 x86, P9 xp, P10 0.

AND

Event Type: Error
Event Source: NativeWrapper
Event Category: None
Event ID: 5000
Date: 8/13/2010
Time: 10:55:02
User: N/A
Computer: IGA006621
Description:
The description for Event ID ( 5000 ) in Source ( NativeWrapper ) cannot be
found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or
message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. You may be able
to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this description; see Help and
Support for details. The following information is part of the event:
visualstudio7x80update; msiexec.exe; 1.0.1683.4989; kb979906; 1033; 64c; f;
install; x86; 5.1.2600.2.3.0.256; 0.

Some thing is wrong so I cannot do the update of any .Net.
 
M

MowGreen

Flightless Bird
Re: Updates failded

Ohboy77 wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I have the same errors in the applications events.
> I notice that I cannot complete the windows update and I got errors. So I
> decide to read the event viewer and this is two of the 5 errors that I get :
>
> My os is XP Pro SP3.
>
> Event Type: Error
> Event Source: HotFixInstaller
> Event Category: None
> Event ID: 5000
> Date: 8/13/2010
> Time: 10:54:47
> User: N/A
> Computer: IGA006621
> Description:
> EventType visualstudio8setup, P1 microsoft .net framework 2.0-kb979909, P2
> 1033, P3 1605, P4 msi, P5 f, P6 9.0.40302.0, P7 install, P8 x86, P9 xp, P10 0.
>
> AND
>
> Event Type: Error
> Event Source: NativeWrapper
> Event Category: None
> Event ID: 5000
> Date: 8/13/2010
> Time: 10:55:02
> User: N/A
> Computer: IGA006621
> Description:
> The description for Event ID ( 5000 ) in Source ( NativeWrapper ) cannot be
> found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or
> message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. You may be able
> to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this description; see Help and
> Support for details. The following information is part of the event:
> visualstudio7x80update; msiexec.exe; 1.0.1683.4989; kb979906; 1033; 64c; f;
> install; x86; 5.1.2600.2.3.0.256; 0.
>
> Some thing is wrong so I cannot do the update of any .Net.
>
>



Try running the Patch Registration Cleanup Tool -
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976220

If no joy, then run the .NET Setup Verification Tool to see if the
installed .NET Frameworks can be Verified as properly installed -
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/archive/2008/10/13/8999004.aspx

If they can't, then see - Updated: what to do if other .NET Framework
setup troubleshooting steps do not help
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/archive/2008/03/07/8108332.aspx


MowGreen
================
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
================

banthecheck.com
"Security updates should *never* have *non-security content* prechecked
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Ignore Update History: Are each of those updates listed in Add/Remove
Programs?

D. wrote:
> Thanks for the reply .
> I found these in " Update History " .
> XP home SP3
> These are the duplicates :
> kb 983583
> kb 982524
> kb 979909
> kb 982168
> There are multiple ( 5-6 )
> entries for all of these .
 
D

D.

Flightless Bird
Hello Robear ,
983583 & 979909 are in " add/remove " .
982524 & 982168 are not .
Thanks ,
D.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23bQucFzOLHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Ignore Update History: Are each of those updates listed in Add/Remove
> Programs?
>
> D. wrote:
>> Thanks for the reply .
>> I found these in " Update History " .
>> XP home SP3
>> These are the duplicates :
>> kb 983583
>> kb 982524
>> kb 979909
>> kb 982168
>> There are multiple ( 5-6 )
>> entries for all of these .

>
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Then neither KB982524 nor KB982168 are installed. That being said, both are
Optional, non-security updates which can be hidden.

1. Stop the Automatic Updates service:

Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Stop
(Stopping the service will take a moment)

2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:

Start > Run > (type in) %windir%\SoftwareDistribution > [OK]
Open the Download folder and delete its contents
Close the window.

3. Go to Windows Update website | Select CUSTOM and allow the scan to
complete | Uncheck/deselect KB982524 and KB982168 (and KB983583 & KB979909,
if still offered) then hide them ("Don't show me this update again").

4. Start the Automatic Updates service:

Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Start
(Starting the service will take a moment)
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


D. wrote:
> Hello Robear ,
> 983583 & 979909 are in " add/remove " .
> 982524 & 982168 are not .
>
>> Ignore Update History: Are each of those updates listed in Add/Remove
>> Programs?
>>
>> D. wrote:
>>> Thanks for the reply .
>>> I found these in " Update History " .
>>> XP home SP3
>>> These are the duplicates :
>>> kb 983583
>>> kb 982524
>>> kb 979909
>>> kb 982168
>>> There are multiple ( 5-6 )
>>> entries for all of these .
 
D

D.

Flightless Bird
Thanks Robear .
D.


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23NGRc69OLHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Then neither KB982524 nor KB982168 are installed. That being said, both
> are Optional, non-security updates which can be hidden.
>
> 1. Stop the Automatic Updates service:
>
> Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
> Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Stop
> (Stopping the service will take a moment)
>
> 2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:
>
> Start > Run > (type in) %windir%\SoftwareDistribution > [OK]
> Open the Download folder and delete its contents
> Close the window.
>
> 3. Go to Windows Update website | Select CUSTOM and allow the scan to
> complete | Uncheck/deselect KB982524 and KB982168 (and KB983583 &
> KB979909, if still offered) then hide them ("Don't show me this update
> again").
>
> 4. Start the Automatic Updates service:
>
> Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
> Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Start
> (Starting the service will take a moment)
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>
>
> D. wrote:
>> Hello Robear ,
>> 983583 & 979909 are in " add/remove " .
>> 982524 & 982168 are not .
>>
>>> Ignore Update History: Are each of those updates listed in Add/Remove
>>> Programs?
>>>
>>> D. wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the reply .
>>>> I found these in " Update History " .
>>>> XP home SP3
>>>> These are the duplicates :
>>>> kb 983583
>>>> kb 982524
>>>> kb 979909
>>>> kb 982168
>>>> There are multiple ( 5-6 )
>>>> entries for all of these .

>
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
You're welcome & thanks for your feedback.


D. wrote:
> Thanks Robear .
>
>> Then neither KB982524 nor KB982168 are installed. That being said, both
>> are Optional, non-security updates which can be hidden.
>>
>> 1. Stop the Automatic Updates service:
>>
>> Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
>> Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Stop
>> (Stopping the service will take a moment)
>>
>> 2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:
>>
>> Start > Run > (type in) %windir%\SoftwareDistribution > [OK]
>> Open the Download folder and delete its contents
>> Close the window.
>>
>> 3. Go to Windows Update website | Select CUSTOM and allow the scan to
>> complete | Uncheck/deselect KB982524 and KB982168 (and KB983583 &
>> KB979909, if still offered) then hide them ("Don't show me this update
>> again").
>>
>> 4. Start the Automatic Updates service:
>>
>> Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
>> Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Start
>> (Starting the service will take a moment)
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>>
>>
>> D. wrote:
>>> Hello Robear ,
>>> 983583 & 979909 are in " add/remove " .
>>> 982524 & 982168 are not .
>>>
>>>> Ignore Update History: Are each of those updates listed in Add/Remove
>>>> Programs?
>>>>
>>>> D. wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for the reply .
>>>>> I found these in " Update History " .
>>>>> XP home SP3
>>>>> These are the duplicates :
>>>>> kb 983583
>>>>> kb 982524
>>>>> kb 979909
>>>>> kb 982168
>>>>> There are multiple ( 5-6 )
>>>>> entries for all of these .
 
T

Teflon

Flightless Bird
On Aug 15, 11:15 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You're welcome & thanks for your feedback.


Speaking of feedback, I missed thanking you for a nugget I gleaned
from one of your previous posts when you observed that Auto Update
used considerable CPU resources to scan in the background when it was
turned on. I had been having an increasingly slow computer on start-
up, so I turned Auto Update off, and eureka, the results have been
amazing. No more slow computer on start-up, nor at various periods
during the day, as before, which I now attribute to AU's being turned
on and scanning. I now manually update after the monthly big Tuesday
and whenever I see mention that MS has issued an out-of-cycle fix.
Thanks for that observation. Nice to have this old war-horse acting
frisky once again.

Several questions about two points in your response to the OP:

> >> 2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:


> >> Ignore Update History:


Does the next update regenerate the entire update history log, or just
the updates from that point forward? Or isn't that history log of any
importance?
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
[Inline]

Teflon wrote:
> Speaking of feedback, I missed thanking you for a nugget I gleaned
> from one of your previous posts when you observed that Auto Update
> used considerable CPU resources to scan in the background when it was
> turned on. I had been having an increasingly slow computer on start-
> up, so I turned Auto Update off, and eureka, the results have been
> amazing. No more slow computer on start-up, nor at various periods
> during the day, as before, which I now attribute to AU's being turned
> on and scanning. I now manually update after the monthly big Tuesday
> and whenever I see mention that MS has issued an out-of-cycle fix.
> Thanks for that observation. Nice to have this old war-horse acting
> frisky once again.


Got a link to that previous post of mine you referenced? I don't want
anyone taking anything out of context.

Reference:

<QP>
What are the differences between Windows Updates, Automatic Updates, and
Microsoft Updates?

While Windows Update provides you with updates specifically for Windows,
Microsoft Update expands the service to download and install updates for
other Microsoft software, such as Microsoft Office and Windows Live [as well
as Silverlight & Microsoft Security Essentials]. Automatic updating [AU] is
a feature that allows you to set your PC to automatically download and
install updates using either service, making it easy and convenient for you
to keep your Windows PC current.
</QP>
Source: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/windowsupdate/FAQ.mspx

The AU client (WUAUCLT.EXE) will run when you first turn on your computer,
though it also runs at other times. Very generally speaking, AU should
"complete its business" within a few minutes then go away. However, that's
dependent on quite a number of conditions including but not limited to (1)
the amount of total resources available on the computer (e.g., memory; other
processes running in the background) and (2) the current load or demand on
the update servers.

In August 2010, MS released an all-time record number of security updates
(15 updates addressing 34 vulnerabilities) plus the monthly Malicious
Software Removal Tool (MSRT), an Update for Windows Mail Junk E-mail Filter
and an Update for IE8 Compatibility View List. So many updates needed by
(tens of?) millions of computers worldwide also created an all-time record
demand on the update servers.

As each computer must communicate with the server after completing the
install of each update (and the fact that the MSRT took an unusually long
time to scan this month), it could take 30-60 minutes (or much longer) over
several days for a computer to finish downloading and installing all needed
updates...with WUAUCLT.EXE having to kick-in & run each time the computer
was communicating with the server.

In short, you (and many other users I've encountered in the the Windows
Update forum [1] and other newsgroups) have been seeing atypical behavior
this month. In months where only a few updates are released, you shouldn't
see AU being a "resource hog."

Further complicating matters is whether Windows Update (WU) or Microsoft
Update (MU) is your default update source. If the latter, it will take AU
much longer to "take care of business" as its checking for updates for
Windows, Office, Windows Live applications (e.g., WLMessenger; WLMail),
Silverlight (if installed) and Microsoft Security Essentials (if installed).

> Several questions about two points in your response to the OP:
>
>> 2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:

>
>> Ignore Update History

>
> Does the next update regenerate the entire update history log, or just
> the updates from that point forward? Or isn't that history log of any
> importance?


Installers for updates download to the
%windir%\SoftwareDistribution\Download folder. Over time, these installers
"age out" and are deleted automatically.

In WinXP, the Update History section at Windows (Microsoft) Update website
displays updates which have installed or failed to install, whether you
installed them manually via the website or via Automatic Updates. Updates
which you have downloaded from Microsoft Update Catalog or Download Center &
installed manually will NOT be listed here.

In short, if an update is listed in Add/Remove Programs, you can ignore any
failed updates listed in the Update History section at Windows (Microsoft)
Update website.

Since you appear to be interested in these things...

=> Should the need arise to delete

%windir%\SoftwareDistribution <=this folder

for some reason, doing so will delete everything Update History at Windows
(Microsoft) Update website.

=> More detailed (and cryptic) info on Windows Update "history" will be
found in WindowsUpdate.log; cf. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/902093. The
contents of this log also "ages out" over time.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[1] With the demise of Windows Update newsgroup (on the MS newsservers) in
early July 2010, you will find support for Windows Update in this MS forum
now: http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads

Always state your full Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; WinXP 64-bit SP2;
Vista SP1; Vista 64-bit SP2; Win7; Win7 64-bit) as well as your current IE
version (e.g., IE6, IE7, IE8) in your first post.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
 
T

Teflon

Flightless Bird
On Aug 16, 7:26 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [Inline]
>
> Teflon wrote:
> > Speaking of feedback, I missed thanking you for a nugget I gleaned
> > from one of your previous posts when you observed that Auto Update
> > used considerable CPU resources to scan in the background when it was
> > turned on.  I had been having an increasingly slow computer on start-
> > up, so I turned Auto Update off, and eureka, the results have been
> > amazing.  No more slow computer on start-up, nor at various periods
> > during the day, as before, which I now attribute to AU's being turned
> > on and scanning. I now manually update after the monthly big Tuesday
> > and whenever I see mention that MS has issued an out-of-cycle fix.
> > Thanks for that observation.  Nice to have this old war-horse acting
> > frisky once again.

>
> Got a link to that previous post of mine you referenced?  I don't want
> anyone taking anything out of context.
>
> Reference:
>
> <QP>
> What are the differences between Windows Updates, Automatic Updates, and
> Microsoft Updates?
>
> While Windows Update provides you with updates specifically for Windows,
> Microsoft Update expands the service to download and install updates for
> other Microsoft software, such as Microsoft Office and Windows Live [as well
> as Silverlight & Microsoft Security Essentials]. Automatic updating [AU] is
> a feature that allows you to set your PC to automatically download and
> install updates using either service, making it easy and convenient for you
> to keep your Windows PC current.
> </QP>
> Source:http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/windowsupdate/FAQ.mspx
>
> The AU client (WUAUCLT.EXE) will run when you first turn on your computer,
> though it also runs at other times.  Very generally speaking, AU should
> "complete its business" within a few minutes then go away.  However, that's
> dependent on quite a number of conditions including but not limited to (1)
> the amount of total resources available on the computer (e.g., memory; other
> processes running in the background) and (2) the current load or demand on
> the update servers.
>
> In August 2010, MS released an all-time record number of security updates
> (15 updates addressing 34 vulnerabilities) plus the monthly Malicious
> Software Removal Tool (MSRT), an Update for Windows Mail Junk E-mail Filter
> and an Update for IE8 Compatibility View List.  So many updates needed by
> (tens of?) millions of computers worldwide also created an all-time record
> demand on the update servers.
>
> As each computer must communicate with the server after completing the
> install of each update (and the fact that the MSRT took an unusually long
> time to scan this month), it could take 30-60 minutes (or much longer) over
> several days for a computer to finish downloading and installing all needed
> updates...with WUAUCLT.EXE having to kick-in & run each time the computer
> was communicating with the server.
>
> In short, you (and many other users I've encountered in the the Windows
> Update forum [1] and other newsgroups) have been seeing atypical behavior
> this month.  In months where only a few updates are released, you shouldn't
> see AU being a "resource hog."
>
> Further complicating matters is whether Windows Update (WU) or Microsoft
> Update (MU) is your default update source.  If the latter, it will takeAU
> much longer to "take care of business" as its checking for updates for
> Windows, Office, Windows Live applications (e.g., WLMessenger; WLMail),
> Silverlight (if installed) and Microsoft Security Essentials (if installed).
>
> > Several questions about two points in your response to the OP:

>
> >> 2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:

>
> >> Ignore Update History

>
> > Does the next update regenerate the entire update history log, or just
> > the updates from that point forward? Or isn't that history log of any
> > importance?

>
> Installers for updates download to the
> %windir%\SoftwareDistribution\Download folder.  Over time, these installers
> "age out" and are deleted automatically.
>
> In WinXP, the Update History section at Windows (Microsoft) Update website
> displays updates which have installed or failed to install, whether you
> installed them manually via the website or via Automatic Updates.  Updates
> which you have downloaded from Microsoft Update Catalog or Download Center &
> installed manually will NOT be listed here.
>
> In short, if an update is listed in Add/Remove Programs, you can ignore any
> failed updates listed in the Update History section at Windows (Microsoft)
> Update website.
>
> Since you appear to be interested in these things...
>
> => Should the need arise to delete
>
> %windir%\SoftwareDistribution <=this folder
>
> for some reason, doing so will delete everything Update History at Windows
> (Microsoft) Update website.
>
> => More detailed (and cryptic) info on Windows Update "history" will be
> found in WindowsUpdate.log; cf.http://support.microsoft.com/kb/902093.  The
> contents of this log also "ages out" over time.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [1] With the demise of Windows Update newsgroup (on the MS newsservers) in
> early July 2010, you will find support for Windows Update in this MS forum
> now:http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>
> Always state your full Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; WinXP 64-bit SP2;
> Vista SP1; Vista 64-bit SP2; Win7; Win7 64-bit) as well as your current IE
> version (e.g., IE6, IE7, IE8) in your first post.
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



Thank you Mr. Bear. Much more information than I ever anticipated,
but ALL very useful and much appreciated.

Sorry, I don't remember which of your posts I was reading in which
thread (you do have quite a few that I find very informative),
although I seem to recall it sounded a whole lot like a portion of
this post. Was doing research on getting rid of a hung update that
keeps failing. Since it is the Office Genuine Advantage Notice -
KB949810, I don't think not having it installed will be a problem,
just don't like to keep getting that FAILED notice with the red flag.
Will delete the %windir%\SoftwareDistribution folder and start over.

Thanks again. Oh yeah, WinXP SP3 IE8
 
J

Jose

Flightless Bird
On Aug 16, 10:26 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [Inline]
>


> The AU client (WUAUCLT.EXE) will run when you first turn on your computer,
> though it also runs at other times.  Very generally speaking, AU should
> "complete its business" within a few minutes then go away.  However, that's
> dependent on quite a number of conditions including but not limited to (1)
> the amount of total resources available on the computer (e.g., memory; other
> processes running in the background) and (2) the current load or demand on
> the update servers.
>
> In August 2010, MS released an all-time record number of security updates
> (15 updates addressing 34 vulnerabilities) plus the monthly Malicious
> Software Removal Tool (MSRT), an Update for Windows Mail Junk E-mail Filter
> and an Update for IE8 Compatibility View List.  So many updates needed by
> (tens of?) millions of computers worldwide also created an all-time record
> demand on the update servers.
>


> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


PA Bear - here is what I noticed on this topic.

On or about 8/13, I installed 10 updates without incident (I have the
numbers if you need them).

Periodically, I run a Live Update from IE7 and "double check" the
optional updates, which I usually don't accept the Live Update tells
me there are no critical updates.

I have previous told Live Update I do not want IE8, so it remain
hidden.

I figure I am good to go.

I started seeing teh WUAUCLT slow down thing, so stopped AU and
emptied the download folder, did a manual update and it just took a
few minutes for me to again tell it that I did not care for IE8 and I
was on my way (I knew that part was going to happen after emptying the
download folder).

Then I rebooted and watched WUAUCLT in Process Explorer and it was
gone in about 3 minutes with an uneventful log of nothing to do. I
see in the log that WU is going to check again in 4 hours and it does
and then it runs and takes an hour or so and finally I just get
frustrated and kill it (and it wants to run again in 4 hours).

I was thinking maybe it was something to do with me coming out of
Hibernation, which also seems to make AU run right away and check
since it wanted to hang them, so I restarted instead and AU ran for a
few minutes and went away. Thinking whatever was wrong straightened
itself out, 4 hours later AU wants to check again and then runs for 1+
hours until I can't stand it any more and kill it.

I do a manual update from IE and it runs for 2 hours and I give up on
it and kill it too (I am a process murderer)

I am thinking that if I clear out the history and do a manual update,
it works great.

If I clear things out and reboot, it works great automatically.

If I clear things out, hibernate and come out, it works great.

If the 4 hour cycle kicks in on it's own, there is a big problem it
takes over an hour of slowness so I usually just kill it because I
don't believe I need anything.

I let the long automatic one finish overnight and it did and found
nothing to do, but later the next day after running all night, when
the 4 hour AU came around and kicked in, it still had some issue and
there should NOT have been anything for it to do. I thought it should
check and go away, but noooooooo.

There is nothing useful to me in the update log file and I can get
just a small one that show it finding zero updates, and if I kill the
AU and reboot, it will work okay that first time. What is it doing
when that 4 hour check it comes around that makes it take so long?

I have not uninstalled the 10 updates I accepted last week, but am
thinking about it to see if I can narrow it down because I do not
remember this problem and with my short patience span, I would have.

I think I know how it should work and it used to be okay, but now it
is annoying when it takes over an hour of doing "something" on those 4
hour check ins.

It works good when things are all cleared out, but not the next time.

Right now, I have the AU service disabled and of course things are
normal.
 
T

Teflon

Flightless Bird
On Aug 17, 2:38 am, Jose <jose_e...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 16, 10:26 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > [Inline]

>
> > The AU client (WUAUCLT.EXE) will run when you first turn on your computer,
> > though it also runs at other times.  Very generally speaking, AU should
> > "complete its business" within a few minutes then go away.  However, that's
> > dependent on quite a number of conditions including but not limited to (1)
> > the amount of total resources available on the computer (e.g., memory; other
> > processes running in the background) and (2) the current load or demandon
> > the update servers.

>
> > In August 2010, MS released an all-time record number of security updates
> > (15 updates addressing 34 vulnerabilities) plus the monthly Malicious
> > Software Removal Tool (MSRT), an Update for Windows Mail Junk E-mail Filter
> > and an Update for IE8 Compatibility View List.  So many updates needed by
> > (tens of?) millions of computers worldwide also created an all-time record
> > demand on the update servers.

>
> > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

>
> PA Bear - here is what I noticed on this topic.
>
> On or about 8/13, I installed 10 updates without incident (I have the
> numbers if you need them).
>
> Periodically, I run a Live Update from IE7 and "double check" the
> optional updates, which I usually don't accept the Live Update tells
> me there are no critical updates.
>
> I have previous told Live Update I do not want IE8, so it remain
> hidden.
>
> I figure I am good to go.
>
> I started seeing teh WUAUCLT slow down thing, so stopped AU and
> emptied the download folder, did a manual update and it just took a
> few minutes for me to again tell it that I did not care for IE8 and I
> was on my way (I knew that part was going to happen after emptying the
> download folder).
>
> Then I rebooted and watched WUAUCLT in Process Explorer and it was
> gone in about 3 minutes with an uneventful log of nothing to do.  I
> see in the log that WU is going to check again in 4 hours and it does
> and then it runs and takes an hour or so and finally I just get
> frustrated and kill it (and it wants to run again in 4 hours).
>
> I was thinking maybe it was something to do with me coming out of
> Hibernation, which also seems to make AU run right away and check
> since it wanted to hang them, so I restarted instead and AU ran for a
> few minutes and went away.  Thinking whatever was wrong straightened
> itself out, 4 hours later AU wants to check again and then runs for 1+
> hours until I can't stand it any more and kill it.
>
> I do a manual update from IE and it runs for 2 hours and I give up on
> it and kill it too (I am a process murderer)
>
> I am thinking that if I clear out the history and do a manual update,
> it works great.
>
> If I clear things out and reboot, it works great automatically.
>
> If I clear things out, hibernate and come out, it works great.
>
> If the 4 hour cycle kicks in on it's own, there is a big problem it
> takes over an hour of slowness so I usually just kill it because I
> don't believe I need anything.
>
> I let the long automatic one finish overnight and it did and found
> nothing to do, but later the next day after running all night, when
> the 4 hour AU came around and kicked in, it still had some issue and
> there should NOT have been anything for it to do.  I thought it should
> check and go away, but noooooooo.
>
> There is nothing useful to me in the update log file and I can get
> just a small one that show it finding zero updates, and if I kill the
> AU and reboot, it will work okay that first time.  What is it doing
> when that 4 hour check it comes around that makes it take so long?
>
> I have not uninstalled the 10 updates I accepted last week, but am
> thinking about it to see if I can narrow it down because I do not
> remember this problem and with my short patience span, I would have.
>
> I think I know how it should work and it used to be okay, but now it
> is annoying when it takes over an hour of doing "something" on those 4
> hour check ins.
>
> It works good when things are all cleared out, but not the next time.
>
> Right now, I have the AU service disabled and of course things are
> normal.


Jose, thank you. You have described to a tee, the exact problem I was
having before I turned AU off. It is nice to know that I was not the
only one having that problem.

I did not realize that AU was running on a 4-hour cycle. That would
explain the periodic slow computer processing and high HDD activity.
It is good to know that emptying the Download folder will speed up the
WU scan when I do manual updates from now on.

Thanks again for your input. I will be interested if you find that
any of the recent updates exacerbated the problem, which for me, has
existed for several months at least. I hope you post your findings.
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Teflon wrote:
<snippage>
> Thank you Mr. Bear. Much more information than I ever anticipated,
> but ALL very useful and much appreciated.
>
> Sorry, I don't remember which of your posts I was reading in which
> thread (you do have quite a few that I find very informative),
> although I seem to recall it sounded a whole lot like a portion of
> this post. Was doing research on getting rid of a hung update that
> keeps failing. Since it is the Office Genuine Advantage Notice -
> KB949810, I don't think not having it installed will be a problem,
> just don't like to keep getting that FAILED notice with the red flag.
> Will delete the %windir%\SoftwareDistribution folder and start over.
>
> Thanks again. Oh yeah, WinXP SP3 IE8


KB949810 (and KB905474) is an Optional, non-security update which can be
hidden without deleting SoftwareDistribution folder.

1. Stop the Automatic Updates service:

Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Stop
(Stopping the service will take a moment)

2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:

Start > Run > (type in) %windir%\SoftwareDistribution > [OK]
Open the Download folder and delete its contents
Close the window.

3. Go to Windows Update website | Select CUSTOM and allow the scan to
complete | Uncheck/deselect KB949810 [and IE8, if offered again] and hide it
("Don't show me this update again").

4. Start the Automatic Updates service:

Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Start
(Starting the service will take a moment)

IN RE your reply to Jose's post: Many others have been griping about
"WUAUCLT.EXE slowing down my computer" this month and I suspect it's due to
the record number of updates & server demand (which I discussed in my
previous reply). If things don't calm down soon AND you've installed (or
hidden) all pertinent updates (which you can check by doing a CUSTOM scan at
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com), see if a Reset resolves the behavior:

How do I reset Windows Update components?
=> Ignore the APPLIES TO section if Win7; Access KB971058 via Internet
Explorer (32-bit) only; Run the Fix It in DEFAULT and then AGGRESSIVE modes,
then reboot [1]
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971058

You're welcome & thanks for your feedback.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[1] Full Disclosure: Running the Fix It in AGGRESSIVE mode will delete your
Update History but not the list of installed updates in Add/Remove Programs.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Jose wrote:
<SNIPPAGE>
> On or about 8/13, I installed 10 updates without incident (I have the
> numbers if you need them).
>
> Periodically, I run a Live Update from IE7 and "double check" the
> optional updates, which I usually don't accept the Live Update tells
> me there are no critical updates.
>
> I have previous told Live Update I do not want IE8, so it remain
> hidden.
>
> I figure I am good to go.
>
> I started seeing teh WUAUCLT slow down thing, so stopped AU and
> emptied the download folder, did a manual update and it just took a
> few minutes for me to again tell it that I did not care for IE8 and I
> was on my way (I knew that part was going to happen after emptying the
> download folder).
>
> Then I rebooted and watched WUAUCLT in Process Explorer and it was
> gone in about 3 minutes with an uneventful log of nothing to do. I
> see in the log that WU is going to check again in 4 hours and it does
> and then it runs and takes an hour or so and finally I just get
> frustrated and kill it (and it wants to run again in 4 hours).

<snip>
> I have not uninstalled the 10 updates I accepted last week...


1. You contradict yourself: "On or about 8/13, I installed 10 updates
without incident" versus "I have not uninstalled the 10 updates I accepted
last week."

2. Automatic Updates (AU) does not run "every 4 hours" by default.

3. Every few months, the installer for IE8 is updated to include all
previously-released security updates. When this happens, some, but
certainly not all, WinXP & Vista users who'd previously hidden IE8 find that
it's become unhidden. Should this happen to you, just hide it again.

[I've been communicating with the IE team about this: They said it's
expected, normal behavior. I replied that if this were true, EVERYONE who'd
previously hidden IE8 would see if offered again and this just is NOT
happening. Last I heard from them, they were scratching their heads & said
they'd get back to me about it. That was four months ago...]

4. One of the reasons you (and many, many others) are seeing this behavior
is the fact that Microsoft Update (vs. Windows Update) is your default
update source (which seems to overwhelm WinXP computers [only], especially
underpowered ones). You could "flip" your default back to Windows Update
but then you'd not be offered ANY update for Office, Windows Live, or
Silverlight (should one or more be installed).

5. See my last reply to Teflon for more & a possible fix (i.e., doing a
reset).

NB: With the demise of Windows Update newsgroup on 01 July 2010, you will
find support for Windows Update in this MS forum now:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads

Always state your full Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; WinXP 64-bit SP2;
Vista SP1; Vista 64-bit SP2; Win7; Win7 64-bit) as well as your current IE
version (e.g., IE6, IE7, IE8) in your first post.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
PS: With the demise of Windows Update newsgroup on 01 July 2010, you will
find support for Windows Update in this MS forum now:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads

Always state your full Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; WinXP 64-bit SP2;
Vista SP1; Vista 64-bit SP2; Win7; Win7 64-bit) as well as your current IE
version (e.g., IE6, IE7, IE8) in your first post.
 
T

Teflon

Flightless Bird
On Aug 17, 8:22 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Teflon wrote:
>
> <snippage>
>
> > Thank you Mr. Bear.  Much more information than I ever anticipated,
> > but ALL very useful and much appreciated.

>
> > Sorry, I don't remember which of your posts I was reading in which
> > thread (you do have quite a few that I find very informative),
> > although I seem to recall it sounded a whole lot like a portion of
> > this post.  Was doing research on getting rid of a hung update that
> > keeps failing.  Since it is the Office Genuine Advantage Notice -
> > KB949810, I don't think not having it installed will be a problem,
> > just don't like to keep getting that FAILED notice with the red flag.
> > Will delete the %windir%\SoftwareDistribution folder and start over.

>
> > Thanks again.  Oh yeah, WinXP SP3 IE8

>
> KB949810 (and KB905474) is an Optional, non-security update which can be
> hidden without deleting SoftwareDistribution folder.
>
> 1. Stop the Automatic Updates service:
>
> Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
> Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Stop
> (Stopping the service will take a moment)
>
> 2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:
>
> Start > Run > (type in) %windir%\SoftwareDistribution > [OK]
> Open the Download folder and delete its contents
> Close the window.
>
> 3. Go to Windows Update website | Select CUSTOM and allow the scan to
> complete | Uncheck/deselect KB949810 [and IE8, if offered again] and hideit
> ("Don't show me this update again").
>
> 4. Start the Automatic Updates service:
>
> Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
> Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Start
> (Starting the service will take a moment)
>
> IN RE your reply to Jose's post: Many others have been griping about
> "WUAUCLT.EXE slowing down my computer" this month and I suspect it's due to
> the record number of updates & server demand (which I discussed in my
> previous reply).  If things don't calm down soon AND you've installed (or
> hidden) all pertinent updates (which you can check by doing a CUSTOM scanathttp://windowsupdate.microsoft.com), see if a Reset resolves the behavior:
>
> How do I reset Windows Update components?
> => Ignore the APPLIES TO section if Win7; Access KB971058 via Internet
> Explorer (32-bit) only; Run the Fix It in DEFAULT and then AGGRESSIVE modes,
> then reboot [1]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971058
>
> You're welcome & thanks for your feedback.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [1] Full Disclosure: Running the Fix It in AGGRESSIVE mode will delete your
> Update History but not the list of installed updates in Add/Remove Programs.
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


Well Bear, I gave it a try and still no happiness in Mudville. Opened
the Download folder in Software Distribution folder and deleted all of
the contents. Went to MS Update site and selected Custom. Results
were - one Critical Update - the KB949810 Office Gen Advantage - same
as before. And like before, it indicated it was already downloaded
and available for installation. The option to 'Not Show It Again',
was grayed out. Checked the Download folder and nothing in it. So,
where could that installer for KB949810 be hiding?

The scan for updates was as slow as ever. Is that mainly due to my
system's resource constraints, or is it the slowness of the app's
communication with the servers?

Would deleting the entire Software Distribution folder get rid of it?
Would running MS Update then rebuild that folder?

I use the MS vs Win update option since I do have Office installed and
want to get updates for it, as well as all the other bits and pieces
MS has put on my system over the years, like .Net and Silverlight.
Are those apps really necessary?

RE the 4 hours mentioned by Jose, could that be happening because the
MS Security Essentials app is installed? That app's use of AU is what
caused me to shy away from installing it. Sticking with Avira AntiVir
Free for now.

Oh yeah, why don't you recommend IE8?

Thanks for all of your answers and help.
 
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