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Duplicate Windows Updares

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by D., Aug 13, 2010.

  1. D.

    D. Flightless Bird

    Can someone tell me how I
    might remove several duplicate
    windows updates ?
    TIA ,
    D.
     
  2. D.

    D. Flightless Bird

    That's Updates .


    "D." <wdstk@sover.net> wrote in message
    news:i439io$oid$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Can someone tell me how I
    > might remove several duplicate
    > windows updates ?
    > TIA ,
    > D.
    >
     
  3. Jose

    Jose Flightless Bird

    On Aug 13, 7:16 am, "D." <wd...@sover.net> wrote:
    > Can someone tell me how I
    > might remove several duplicate
    > windows updates ?
    >                           TIA ,
    >                              D.


    What is your XP version and Service Pack?

    How did you determine that you have duplicate Windows updates and
    which updates do you think are duplicates?

    If you would supply a few more clues, you might get some better ideas!
     
  4. D.

    D. Flightless Bird

    Thanks for the reply .
    I found these in " Update History " .
    XP home SP3
    These are the duplicates :
    kb 983583
    kb 982524
    kb 979909
    kb 982168
    There are multiple ( 5-6 )
    entries for all of these .
    TIA ,
    D.

    "Jose" <jose_ease@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:4cf37393-3b49-4f23-ba27-31aaed09e2ee@l6g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
    On Aug 13, 7:16 am, "D." <wd...@sover.net> wrote:
    > Can someone tell me how I
    > might remove several duplicate
    > windows updates ?
    > TIA ,
    > D.


    What is your XP version and Service Pack?

    How did you determine that you have duplicate Windows updates and
    which updates do you think are duplicates?

    If you would supply a few more clues, you might get some better ideas!
     
  5. Ohboy77

    Ohboy77 Flightless Bird

    Updates failded

    Hi,
    I have the same errors in the applications events.
    I notice that I cannot complete the windows update and I got errors. So I
    decide to read the event viewer and this is two of the 5 errors that I get :

    My os is XP Pro SP3.

    Event Type: Error
    Event Source: HotFixInstaller
    Event Category: None
    Event ID: 5000
    Date: 8/13/2010
    Time: 10:54:47
    User: N/A
    Computer: IGA006621
    Description:
    EventType visualstudio8setup, P1 microsoft .net framework 2.0-kb979909, P2
    1033, P3 1605, P4 msi, P5 f, P6 9.0.40302.0, P7 install, P8 x86, P9 xp, P10 0.

    AND

    Event Type: Error
    Event Source: NativeWrapper
    Event Category: None
    Event ID: 5000
    Date: 8/13/2010
    Time: 10:55:02
    User: N/A
    Computer: IGA006621
    Description:
    The description for Event ID ( 5000 ) in Source ( NativeWrapper ) cannot be
    found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or
    message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. You may be able
    to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this description; see Help and
    Support for details. The following information is part of the event:
    visualstudio7x80update; msiexec.exe; 1.0.1683.4989; kb979906; 1033; 64c; f;
    install; x86; 5.1.2600.2.3.0.256; 0.

    Some thing is wrong so I cannot do the update of any .Net.
     
  6. MowGreen

    MowGreen Flightless Bird

    Re: Updates failded

    Ohboy77 wrote:
    >
    > Hi,
    > I have the same errors in the applications events.
    > I notice that I cannot complete the windows update and I got errors. So I
    > decide to read the event viewer and this is two of the 5 errors that I get :
    >
    > My os is XP Pro SP3.
    >
    > Event Type: Error
    > Event Source: HotFixInstaller
    > Event Category: None
    > Event ID: 5000
    > Date: 8/13/2010
    > Time: 10:54:47
    > User: N/A
    > Computer: IGA006621
    > Description:
    > EventType visualstudio8setup, P1 microsoft .net framework 2.0-kb979909, P2
    > 1033, P3 1605, P4 msi, P5 f, P6 9.0.40302.0, P7 install, P8 x86, P9 xp, P10 0.
    >
    > AND
    >
    > Event Type: Error
    > Event Source: NativeWrapper
    > Event Category: None
    > Event ID: 5000
    > Date: 8/13/2010
    > Time: 10:55:02
    > User: N/A
    > Computer: IGA006621
    > Description:
    > The description for Event ID ( 5000 ) in Source ( NativeWrapper ) cannot be
    > found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or
    > message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. You may be able
    > to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this description; see Help and
    > Support for details. The following information is part of the event:
    > visualstudio7x80update; msiexec.exe; 1.0.1683.4989; kb979906; 1033; 64c; f;
    > install; x86; 5.1.2600.2.3.0.256; 0.
    >
    > Some thing is wrong so I cannot do the update of any .Net.
    >
    >



    Try running the Patch Registration Cleanup Tool -
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976220

    If no joy, then run the .NET Setup Verification Tool to see if the
    installed .NET Frameworks can be Verified as properly installed -
    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/archive/2008/10/13/8999004.aspx

    If they can't, then see - Updated: what to do if other .NET Framework
    setup troubleshooting steps do not help
    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/archive/2008/03/07/8108332.aspx


    MowGreen
    ================
    *-343-* FDNY
    Never Forgotten
    ================

    banthecheck.com
    "Security updates should *never* have *non-security content* prechecked
     
  7. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Ignore Update History: Are each of those updates listed in Add/Remove
    Programs?

    D. wrote:
    > Thanks for the reply .
    > I found these in " Update History " .
    > XP home SP3
    > These are the duplicates :
    > kb 983583
    > kb 982524
    > kb 979909
    > kb 982168
    > There are multiple ( 5-6 )
    > entries for all of these .
     
  8. D.

    D. Flightless Bird

    Hello Robear ,
    983583 & 979909 are in " add/remove " .
    982524 & 982168 are not .
    Thanks ,
    D.

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:%23bQucFzOLHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > Ignore Update History: Are each of those updates listed in Add/Remove
    > Programs?
    >
    > D. wrote:
    >> Thanks for the reply .
    >> I found these in " Update History " .
    >> XP home SP3
    >> These are the duplicates :
    >> kb 983583
    >> kb 982524
    >> kb 979909
    >> kb 982168
    >> There are multiple ( 5-6 )
    >> entries for all of these .

    >
     
  9. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Then neither KB982524 nor KB982168 are installed. That being said, both are
    Optional, non-security updates which can be hidden.

    1. Stop the Automatic Updates service:

    Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
    Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Stop
    (Stopping the service will take a moment)

    2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:

    Start > Run > (type in) %windir%\SoftwareDistribution > [OK]
    Open the Download folder and delete its contents
    Close the window.

    3. Go to Windows Update website | Select CUSTOM and allow the scan to
    complete | Uncheck/deselect KB982524 and KB982168 (and KB983583 & KB979909,
    if still offered) then hide them ("Don't show me this update again").

    4. Start the Automatic Updates service:

    Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
    Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Start
    (Starting the service will take a moment)
    --
    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


    D. wrote:
    > Hello Robear ,
    > 983583 & 979909 are in " add/remove " .
    > 982524 & 982168 are not .
    >
    >> Ignore Update History: Are each of those updates listed in Add/Remove
    >> Programs?
    >>
    >> D. wrote:
    >>> Thanks for the reply .
    >>> I found these in " Update History " .
    >>> XP home SP3
    >>> These are the duplicates :
    >>> kb 983583
    >>> kb 982524
    >>> kb 979909
    >>> kb 982168
    >>> There are multiple ( 5-6 )
    >>> entries for all of these .
     
  10. D.

    D. Flightless Bird

    Thanks Robear .
    D.


    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:%23NGRc69OLHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > Then neither KB982524 nor KB982168 are installed. That being said, both
    > are Optional, non-security updates which can be hidden.
    >
    > 1. Stop the Automatic Updates service:
    >
    > Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
    > Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Stop
    > (Stopping the service will take a moment)
    >
    > 2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:
    >
    > Start > Run > (type in) %windir%\SoftwareDistribution > [OK]
    > Open the Download folder and delete its contents
    > Close the window.
    >
    > 3. Go to Windows Update website | Select CUSTOM and allow the scan to
    > complete | Uncheck/deselect KB982524 and KB982168 (and KB983583 &
    > KB979909, if still offered) then hide them ("Don't show me this update
    > again").
    >
    > 4. Start the Automatic Updates service:
    >
    > Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
    > Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Start
    > (Starting the service will take a moment)
    > --
    > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    >
    >
    > D. wrote:
    >> Hello Robear ,
    >> 983583 & 979909 are in " add/remove " .
    >> 982524 & 982168 are not .
    >>
    >>> Ignore Update History: Are each of those updates listed in Add/Remove
    >>> Programs?
    >>>
    >>> D. wrote:
    >>>> Thanks for the reply .
    >>>> I found these in " Update History " .
    >>>> XP home SP3
    >>>> These are the duplicates :
    >>>> kb 983583
    >>>> kb 982524
    >>>> kb 979909
    >>>> kb 982168
    >>>> There are multiple ( 5-6 )
    >>>> entries for all of these .

    >
     
  11. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    You're welcome & thanks for your feedback.


    D. wrote:
    > Thanks Robear .
    >
    >> Then neither KB982524 nor KB982168 are installed. That being said, both
    >> are Optional, non-security updates which can be hidden.
    >>
    >> 1. Stop the Automatic Updates service:
    >>
    >> Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
    >> Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Stop
    >> (Stopping the service will take a moment)
    >>
    >> 2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:
    >>
    >> Start > Run > (type in) %windir%\SoftwareDistribution > [OK]
    >> Open the Download folder and delete its contents
    >> Close the window.
    >>
    >> 3. Go to Windows Update website | Select CUSTOM and allow the scan to
    >> complete | Uncheck/deselect KB982524 and KB982168 (and KB983583 &
    >> KB979909, if still offered) then hide them ("Don't show me this update
    >> again").
    >>
    >> 4. Start the Automatic Updates service:
    >>
    >> Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
    >> Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Start
    >> (Starting the service will take a moment)
    >> --
    >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    >>
    >>
    >> D. wrote:
    >>> Hello Robear ,
    >>> 983583 & 979909 are in " add/remove " .
    >>> 982524 & 982168 are not .
    >>>
    >>>> Ignore Update History: Are each of those updates listed in Add/Remove
    >>>> Programs?
    >>>>
    >>>> D. wrote:
    >>>>> Thanks for the reply .
    >>>>> I found these in " Update History " .
    >>>>> XP home SP3
    >>>>> These are the duplicates :
    >>>>> kb 983583
    >>>>> kb 982524
    >>>>> kb 979909
    >>>>> kb 982168
    >>>>> There are multiple ( 5-6 )
    >>>>> entries for all of these .
     
  12. Teflon

    Teflon Flightless Bird

    On Aug 15, 11:15 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > You're welcome & thanks for your feedback.


    Speaking of feedback, I missed thanking you for a nugget I gleaned
    from one of your previous posts when you observed that Auto Update
    used considerable CPU resources to scan in the background when it was
    turned on. I had been having an increasingly slow computer on start-
    up, so I turned Auto Update off, and eureka, the results have been
    amazing. No more slow computer on start-up, nor at various periods
    during the day, as before, which I now attribute to AU's being turned
    on and scanning. I now manually update after the monthly big Tuesday
    and whenever I see mention that MS has issued an out-of-cycle fix.
    Thanks for that observation. Nice to have this old war-horse acting
    frisky once again.

    Several questions about two points in your response to the OP:

    > >> 2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:


    > >> Ignore Update History:


    Does the next update regenerate the entire update history log, or just
    the updates from that point forward? Or isn't that history log of any
    importance?
     
  13. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    [Inline]

    Teflon wrote:
    > Speaking of feedback, I missed thanking you for a nugget I gleaned
    > from one of your previous posts when you observed that Auto Update
    > used considerable CPU resources to scan in the background when it was
    > turned on. I had been having an increasingly slow computer on start-
    > up, so I turned Auto Update off, and eureka, the results have been
    > amazing. No more slow computer on start-up, nor at various periods
    > during the day, as before, which I now attribute to AU's being turned
    > on and scanning. I now manually update after the monthly big Tuesday
    > and whenever I see mention that MS has issued an out-of-cycle fix.
    > Thanks for that observation. Nice to have this old war-horse acting
    > frisky once again.


    Got a link to that previous post of mine you referenced? I don't want
    anyone taking anything out of context.

    Reference:

    <QP>
    What are the differences between Windows Updates, Automatic Updates, and
    Microsoft Updates?

    While Windows Update provides you with updates specifically for Windows,
    Microsoft Update expands the service to download and install updates for
    other Microsoft software, such as Microsoft Office and Windows Live [as well
    as Silverlight & Microsoft Security Essentials]. Automatic updating [AU] is
    a feature that allows you to set your PC to automatically download and
    install updates using either service, making it easy and convenient for you
    to keep your Windows PC current.
    </QP>
    Source: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/windowsupdate/FAQ.mspx

    The AU client (WUAUCLT.EXE) will run when you first turn on your computer,
    though it also runs at other times. Very generally speaking, AU should
    "complete its business" within a few minutes then go away. However, that's
    dependent on quite a number of conditions including but not limited to (1)
    the amount of total resources available on the computer (e.g., memory; other
    processes running in the background) and (2) the current load or demand on
    the update servers.

    In August 2010, MS released an all-time record number of security updates
    (15 updates addressing 34 vulnerabilities) plus the monthly Malicious
    Software Removal Tool (MSRT), an Update for Windows Mail Junk E-mail Filter
    and an Update for IE8 Compatibility View List. So many updates needed by
    (tens of?) millions of computers worldwide also created an all-time record
    demand on the update servers.

    As each computer must communicate with the server after completing the
    install of each update (and the fact that the MSRT took an unusually long
    time to scan this month), it could take 30-60 minutes (or much longer) over
    several days for a computer to finish downloading and installing all needed
    updates...with WUAUCLT.EXE having to kick-in & run each time the computer
    was communicating with the server.

    In short, you (and many other users I've encountered in the the Windows
    Update forum [1] and other newsgroups) have been seeing atypical behavior
    this month. In months where only a few updates are released, you shouldn't
    see AU being a "resource hog."

    Further complicating matters is whether Windows Update (WU) or Microsoft
    Update (MU) is your default update source. If the latter, it will take AU
    much longer to "take care of business" as its checking for updates for
    Windows, Office, Windows Live applications (e.g., WLMessenger; WLMail),
    Silverlight (if installed) and Microsoft Security Essentials (if installed).

    > Several questions about two points in your response to the OP:
    >
    >> 2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:

    >
    >> Ignore Update History

    >
    > Does the next update regenerate the entire update history log, or just
    > the updates from that point forward? Or isn't that history log of any
    > importance?


    Installers for updates download to the
    %windir%\SoftwareDistribution\Download folder. Over time, these installers
    "age out" and are deleted automatically.

    In WinXP, the Update History section at Windows (Microsoft) Update website
    displays updates which have installed or failed to install, whether you
    installed them manually via the website or via Automatic Updates. Updates
    which you have downloaded from Microsoft Update Catalog or Download Center &
    installed manually will NOT be listed here.

    In short, if an update is listed in Add/Remove Programs, you can ignore any
    failed updates listed in the Update History section at Windows (Microsoft)
    Update website.

    Since you appear to be interested in these things...

    => Should the need arise to delete

    %windir%\SoftwareDistribution <=this folder

    for some reason, doing so will delete everything Update History at Windows
    (Microsoft) Update website.

    => More detailed (and cryptic) info on Windows Update "history" will be
    found in WindowsUpdate.log; cf. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/902093. The
    contents of this log also "ages out" over time.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    [1] With the demise of Windows Update newsgroup (on the MS newsservers) in
    early July 2010, you will find support for Windows Update in this MS forum
    now: http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads

    Always state your full Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; WinXP 64-bit SP2;
    Vista SP1; Vista 64-bit SP2; Win7; Win7 64-bit) as well as your current IE
    version (e.g., IE6, IE7, IE8) in your first post.
    --
    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
     
  14. Teflon

    Teflon Flightless Bird

    On Aug 16, 7:26 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > [Inline]
    >
    > Teflon wrote:
    > > Speaking of feedback, I missed thanking you for a nugget I gleaned
    > > from one of your previous posts when you observed that Auto Update
    > > used considerable CPU resources to scan in the background when it was
    > > turned on.  I had been having an increasingly slow computer on start-
    > > up, so I turned Auto Update off, and eureka, the results have been
    > > amazing.  No more slow computer on start-up, nor at various periods
    > > during the day, as before, which I now attribute to AU's being turned
    > > on and scanning. I now manually update after the monthly big Tuesday
    > > and whenever I see mention that MS has issued an out-of-cycle fix.
    > > Thanks for that observation.  Nice to have this old war-horse acting
    > > frisky once again.

    >
    > Got a link to that previous post of mine you referenced?  I don't want
    > anyone taking anything out of context.
    >
    > Reference:
    >
    > <QP>
    > What are the differences between Windows Updates, Automatic Updates, and
    > Microsoft Updates?
    >
    > While Windows Update provides you with updates specifically for Windows,
    > Microsoft Update expands the service to download and install updates for
    > other Microsoft software, such as Microsoft Office and Windows Live [as well
    > as Silverlight & Microsoft Security Essentials]. Automatic updating [AU] is
    > a feature that allows you to set your PC to automatically download and
    > install updates using either service, making it easy and convenient for you
    > to keep your Windows PC current.
    > </QP>
    > Source:http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/windowsupdate/FAQ.mspx
    >
    > The AU client (WUAUCLT.EXE) will run when you first turn on your computer,
    > though it also runs at other times.  Very generally speaking, AU should
    > "complete its business" within a few minutes then go away.  However, that's
    > dependent on quite a number of conditions including but not limited to (1)
    > the amount of total resources available on the computer (e.g., memory; other
    > processes running in the background) and (2) the current load or demand on
    > the update servers.
    >
    > In August 2010, MS released an all-time record number of security updates
    > (15 updates addressing 34 vulnerabilities) plus the monthly Malicious
    > Software Removal Tool (MSRT), an Update for Windows Mail Junk E-mail Filter
    > and an Update for IE8 Compatibility View List.  So many updates needed by
    > (tens of?) millions of computers worldwide also created an all-time record
    > demand on the update servers.
    >
    > As each computer must communicate with the server after completing the
    > install of each update (and the fact that the MSRT took an unusually long
    > time to scan this month), it could take 30-60 minutes (or much longer) over
    > several days for a computer to finish downloading and installing all needed
    > updates...with WUAUCLT.EXE having to kick-in & run each time the computer
    > was communicating with the server.
    >
    > In short, you (and many other users I've encountered in the the Windows
    > Update forum [1] and other newsgroups) have been seeing atypical behavior
    > this month.  In months where only a few updates are released, you shouldn't
    > see AU being a "resource hog."
    >
    > Further complicating matters is whether Windows Update (WU) or Microsoft
    > Update (MU) is your default update source.  If the latter, it will takeAU
    > much longer to "take care of business" as its checking for updates for
    > Windows, Office, Windows Live applications (e.g., WLMessenger; WLMail),
    > Silverlight (if installed) and Microsoft Security Essentials (if installed).
    >
    > > Several questions about two points in your response to the OP:

    >
    > >> 2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:

    >
    > >> Ignore Update History

    >
    > > Does the next update regenerate the entire update history log, or just
    > > the updates from that point forward? Or isn't that history log of any
    > > importance?

    >
    > Installers for updates download to the
    > %windir%\SoftwareDistribution\Download folder.  Over time, these installers
    > "age out" and are deleted automatically.
    >
    > In WinXP, the Update History section at Windows (Microsoft) Update website
    > displays updates which have installed or failed to install, whether you
    > installed them manually via the website or via Automatic Updates.  Updates
    > which you have downloaded from Microsoft Update Catalog or Download Center &
    > installed manually will NOT be listed here.
    >
    > In short, if an update is listed in Add/Remove Programs, you can ignore any
    > failed updates listed in the Update History section at Windows (Microsoft)
    > Update website.
    >
    > Since you appear to be interested in these things...
    >
    > => Should the need arise to delete
    >
    > %windir%\SoftwareDistribution <=this folder
    >
    > for some reason, doing so will delete everything Update History at Windows
    > (Microsoft) Update website.
    >
    > => More detailed (and cryptic) info on Windows Update "history" will be
    > found in WindowsUpdate.log; cf.http://support.microsoft.com/kb/902093.  The
    > contents of this log also "ages out" over time.
    >
    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    > [1] With the demise of Windows Update newsgroup (on the MS newsservers) in
    > early July 2010, you will find support for Windows Update in this MS forum
    > now:http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
    >
    > Always state your full Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; WinXP 64-bit SP2;
    > Vista SP1; Vista 64-bit SP2; Win7; Win7 64-bit) as well as your current IE
    > version (e.g., IE6, IE7, IE8) in your first post.
    > --
    > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



    Thank you Mr. Bear. Much more information than I ever anticipated,
    but ALL very useful and much appreciated.

    Sorry, I don't remember which of your posts I was reading in which
    thread (you do have quite a few that I find very informative),
    although I seem to recall it sounded a whole lot like a portion of
    this post. Was doing research on getting rid of a hung update that
    keeps failing. Since it is the Office Genuine Advantage Notice -
    KB949810, I don't think not having it installed will be a problem,
    just don't like to keep getting that FAILED notice with the red flag.
    Will delete the %windir%\SoftwareDistribution folder and start over.

    Thanks again. Oh yeah, WinXP SP3 IE8
     
  15. Jose

    Jose Flightless Bird

    On Aug 16, 10:26 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > [Inline]
    >


    > The AU client (WUAUCLT.EXE) will run when you first turn on your computer,
    > though it also runs at other times.  Very generally speaking, AU should
    > "complete its business" within a few minutes then go away.  However, that's
    > dependent on quite a number of conditions including but not limited to (1)
    > the amount of total resources available on the computer (e.g., memory; other
    > processes running in the background) and (2) the current load or demand on
    > the update servers.
    >
    > In August 2010, MS released an all-time record number of security updates
    > (15 updates addressing 34 vulnerabilities) plus the monthly Malicious
    > Software Removal Tool (MSRT), an Update for Windows Mail Junk E-mail Filter
    > and an Update for IE8 Compatibility View List.  So many updates needed by
    > (tens of?) millions of computers worldwide also created an all-time record
    > demand on the update servers.
    >


    > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


    PA Bear - here is what I noticed on this topic.

    On or about 8/13, I installed 10 updates without incident (I have the
    numbers if you need them).

    Periodically, I run a Live Update from IE7 and "double check" the
    optional updates, which I usually don't accept the Live Update tells
    me there are no critical updates.

    I have previous told Live Update I do not want IE8, so it remain
    hidden.

    I figure I am good to go.

    I started seeing teh WUAUCLT slow down thing, so stopped AU and
    emptied the download folder, did a manual update and it just took a
    few minutes for me to again tell it that I did not care for IE8 and I
    was on my way (I knew that part was going to happen after emptying the
    download folder).

    Then I rebooted and watched WUAUCLT in Process Explorer and it was
    gone in about 3 minutes with an uneventful log of nothing to do. I
    see in the log that WU is going to check again in 4 hours and it does
    and then it runs and takes an hour or so and finally I just get
    frustrated and kill it (and it wants to run again in 4 hours).

    I was thinking maybe it was something to do with me coming out of
    Hibernation, which also seems to make AU run right away and check
    since it wanted to hang them, so I restarted instead and AU ran for a
    few minutes and went away. Thinking whatever was wrong straightened
    itself out, 4 hours later AU wants to check again and then runs for 1+
    hours until I can't stand it any more and kill it.

    I do a manual update from IE and it runs for 2 hours and I give up on
    it and kill it too (I am a process murderer)

    I am thinking that if I clear out the history and do a manual update,
    it works great.

    If I clear things out and reboot, it works great automatically.

    If I clear things out, hibernate and come out, it works great.

    If the 4 hour cycle kicks in on it's own, there is a big problem it
    takes over an hour of slowness so I usually just kill it because I
    don't believe I need anything.

    I let the long automatic one finish overnight and it did and found
    nothing to do, but later the next day after running all night, when
    the 4 hour AU came around and kicked in, it still had some issue and
    there should NOT have been anything for it to do. I thought it should
    check and go away, but noooooooo.

    There is nothing useful to me in the update log file and I can get
    just a small one that show it finding zero updates, and if I kill the
    AU and reboot, it will work okay that first time. What is it doing
    when that 4 hour check it comes around that makes it take so long?

    I have not uninstalled the 10 updates I accepted last week, but am
    thinking about it to see if I can narrow it down because I do not
    remember this problem and with my short patience span, I would have.

    I think I know how it should work and it used to be okay, but now it
    is annoying when it takes over an hour of doing "something" on those 4
    hour check ins.

    It works good when things are all cleared out, but not the next time.

    Right now, I have the AU service disabled and of course things are
    normal.
     
  16. Teflon

    Teflon Flightless Bird

    On Aug 17, 2:38 am, Jose <jose_e...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > On Aug 16, 10:26 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > [Inline]

    >
    > > The AU client (WUAUCLT.EXE) will run when you first turn on your computer,
    > > though it also runs at other times.  Very generally speaking, AU should
    > > "complete its business" within a few minutes then go away.  However, that's
    > > dependent on quite a number of conditions including but not limited to (1)
    > > the amount of total resources available on the computer (e.g., memory; other
    > > processes running in the background) and (2) the current load or demandon
    > > the update servers.

    >
    > > In August 2010, MS released an all-time record number of security updates
    > > (15 updates addressing 34 vulnerabilities) plus the monthly Malicious
    > > Software Removal Tool (MSRT), an Update for Windows Mail Junk E-mail Filter
    > > and an Update for IE8 Compatibility View List.  So many updates needed by
    > > (tens of?) millions of computers worldwide also created an all-time record
    > > demand on the update servers.

    >
    > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    > > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

    >
    > PA Bear - here is what I noticed on this topic.
    >
    > On or about 8/13, I installed 10 updates without incident (I have the
    > numbers if you need them).
    >
    > Periodically, I run a Live Update from IE7 and "double check" the
    > optional updates, which I usually don't accept the Live Update tells
    > me there are no critical updates.
    >
    > I have previous told Live Update I do not want IE8, so it remain
    > hidden.
    >
    > I figure I am good to go.
    >
    > I started seeing teh WUAUCLT slow down thing, so stopped AU and
    > emptied the download folder, did a manual update and it just took a
    > few minutes for me to again tell it that I did not care for IE8 and I
    > was on my way (I knew that part was going to happen after emptying the
    > download folder).
    >
    > Then I rebooted and watched WUAUCLT in Process Explorer and it was
    > gone in about 3 minutes with an uneventful log of nothing to do.  I
    > see in the log that WU is going to check again in 4 hours and it does
    > and then it runs and takes an hour or so and finally I just get
    > frustrated and kill it (and it wants to run again in 4 hours).
    >
    > I was thinking maybe it was something to do with me coming out of
    > Hibernation, which also seems to make AU run right away and check
    > since it wanted to hang them, so I restarted instead and AU ran for a
    > few minutes and went away.  Thinking whatever was wrong straightened
    > itself out, 4 hours later AU wants to check again and then runs for 1+
    > hours until I can't stand it any more and kill it.
    >
    > I do a manual update from IE and it runs for 2 hours and I give up on
    > it and kill it too (I am a process murderer)
    >
    > I am thinking that if I clear out the history and do a manual update,
    > it works great.
    >
    > If I clear things out and reboot, it works great automatically.
    >
    > If I clear things out, hibernate and come out, it works great.
    >
    > If the 4 hour cycle kicks in on it's own, there is a big problem it
    > takes over an hour of slowness so I usually just kill it because I
    > don't believe I need anything.
    >
    > I let the long automatic one finish overnight and it did and found
    > nothing to do, but later the next day after running all night, when
    > the 4 hour AU came around and kicked in, it still had some issue and
    > there should NOT have been anything for it to do.  I thought it should
    > check and go away, but noooooooo.
    >
    > There is nothing useful to me in the update log file and I can get
    > just a small one that show it finding zero updates, and if I kill the
    > AU and reboot, it will work okay that first time.  What is it doing
    > when that 4 hour check it comes around that makes it take so long?
    >
    > I have not uninstalled the 10 updates I accepted last week, but am
    > thinking about it to see if I can narrow it down because I do not
    > remember this problem and with my short patience span, I would have.
    >
    > I think I know how it should work and it used to be okay, but now it
    > is annoying when it takes over an hour of doing "something" on those 4
    > hour check ins.
    >
    > It works good when things are all cleared out, but not the next time.
    >
    > Right now, I have the AU service disabled and of course things are
    > normal.


    Jose, thank you. You have described to a tee, the exact problem I was
    having before I turned AU off. It is nice to know that I was not the
    only one having that problem.

    I did not realize that AU was running on a 4-hour cycle. That would
    explain the periodic slow computer processing and high HDD activity.
    It is good to know that emptying the Download folder will speed up the
    WU scan when I do manual updates from now on.

    Thanks again for your input. I will be interested if you find that
    any of the recent updates exacerbated the problem, which for me, has
    existed for several months at least. I hope you post your findings.
     
  17. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Teflon wrote:
    <snippage>
    > Thank you Mr. Bear. Much more information than I ever anticipated,
    > but ALL very useful and much appreciated.
    >
    > Sorry, I don't remember which of your posts I was reading in which
    > thread (you do have quite a few that I find very informative),
    > although I seem to recall it sounded a whole lot like a portion of
    > this post. Was doing research on getting rid of a hung update that
    > keeps failing. Since it is the Office Genuine Advantage Notice -
    > KB949810, I don't think not having it installed will be a problem,
    > just don't like to keep getting that FAILED notice with the red flag.
    > Will delete the %windir%\SoftwareDistribution folder and start over.
    >
    > Thanks again. Oh yeah, WinXP SP3 IE8


    KB949810 (and KB905474) is an Optional, non-security update which can be
    hidden without deleting SoftwareDistribution folder.

    1. Stop the Automatic Updates service:

    Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
    Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Stop
    (Stopping the service will take a moment)

    2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:

    Start > Run > (type in) %windir%\SoftwareDistribution > [OK]
    Open the Download folder and delete its contents
    Close the window.

    3. Go to Windows Update website | Select CUSTOM and allow the scan to
    complete | Uncheck/deselect KB949810 [and IE8, if offered again] and hide it
    ("Don't show me this update again").

    4. Start the Automatic Updates service:

    Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
    Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Start
    (Starting the service will take a moment)

    IN RE your reply to Jose's post: Many others have been griping about
    "WUAUCLT.EXE slowing down my computer" this month and I suspect it's due to
    the record number of updates & server demand (which I discussed in my
    previous reply). If things don't calm down soon AND you've installed (or
    hidden) all pertinent updates (which you can check by doing a CUSTOM scan at
    http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com), see if a Reset resolves the behavior:

    How do I reset Windows Update components?
    => Ignore the APPLIES TO section if Win7; Access KB971058 via Internet
    Explorer (32-bit) only; Run the Fix It in DEFAULT and then AGGRESSIVE modes,
    then reboot [1]
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971058

    You're welcome & thanks for your feedback.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    [1] Full Disclosure: Running the Fix It in AGGRESSIVE mode will delete your
    Update History but not the list of installed updates in Add/Remove Programs.
    --
    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
     
  18. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Jose wrote:
    <SNIPPAGE>
    > On or about 8/13, I installed 10 updates without incident (I have the
    > numbers if you need them).
    >
    > Periodically, I run a Live Update from IE7 and "double check" the
    > optional updates, which I usually don't accept the Live Update tells
    > me there are no critical updates.
    >
    > I have previous told Live Update I do not want IE8, so it remain
    > hidden.
    >
    > I figure I am good to go.
    >
    > I started seeing teh WUAUCLT slow down thing, so stopped AU and
    > emptied the download folder, did a manual update and it just took a
    > few minutes for me to again tell it that I did not care for IE8 and I
    > was on my way (I knew that part was going to happen after emptying the
    > download folder).
    >
    > Then I rebooted and watched WUAUCLT in Process Explorer and it was
    > gone in about 3 minutes with an uneventful log of nothing to do. I
    > see in the log that WU is going to check again in 4 hours and it does
    > and then it runs and takes an hour or so and finally I just get
    > frustrated and kill it (and it wants to run again in 4 hours).

    <snip>
    > I have not uninstalled the 10 updates I accepted last week...


    1. You contradict yourself: "On or about 8/13, I installed 10 updates
    without incident" versus "I have not uninstalled the 10 updates I accepted
    last week."

    2. Automatic Updates (AU) does not run "every 4 hours" by default.

    3. Every few months, the installer for IE8 is updated to include all
    previously-released security updates. When this happens, some, but
    certainly not all, WinXP & Vista users who'd previously hidden IE8 find that
    it's become unhidden. Should this happen to you, just hide it again.

    [I've been communicating with the IE team about this: They said it's
    expected, normal behavior. I replied that if this were true, EVERYONE who'd
    previously hidden IE8 would see if offered again and this just is NOT
    happening. Last I heard from them, they were scratching their heads & said
    they'd get back to me about it. That was four months ago...]

    4. One of the reasons you (and many, many others) are seeing this behavior
    is the fact that Microsoft Update (vs. Windows Update) is your default
    update source (which seems to overwhelm WinXP computers [only], especially
    underpowered ones). You could "flip" your default back to Windows Update
    but then you'd not be offered ANY update for Office, Windows Live, or
    Silverlight (should one or more be installed).

    5. See my last reply to Teflon for more & a possible fix (i.e., doing a
    reset).

    NB: With the demise of Windows Update newsgroup on 01 July 2010, you will
    find support for Windows Update in this MS forum now:
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads

    Always state your full Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; WinXP 64-bit SP2;
    Vista SP1; Vista 64-bit SP2; Win7; Win7 64-bit) as well as your current IE
    version (e.g., IE6, IE7, IE8) in your first post.
    --
    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
     
  19. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    PS: With the demise of Windows Update newsgroup on 01 July 2010, you will
    find support for Windows Update in this MS forum now:
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads

    Always state your full Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; WinXP 64-bit SP2;
    Vista SP1; Vista 64-bit SP2; Win7; Win7 64-bit) as well as your current IE
    version (e.g., IE6, IE7, IE8) in your first post.
     
  20. Teflon

    Teflon Flightless Bird

    On Aug 17, 8:22 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Teflon wrote:
    >
    > <snippage>
    >
    > > Thank you Mr. Bear.  Much more information than I ever anticipated,
    > > but ALL very useful and much appreciated.

    >
    > > Sorry, I don't remember which of your posts I was reading in which
    > > thread (you do have quite a few that I find very informative),
    > > although I seem to recall it sounded a whole lot like a portion of
    > > this post.  Was doing research on getting rid of a hung update that
    > > keeps failing.  Since it is the Office Genuine Advantage Notice -
    > > KB949810, I don't think not having it installed will be a problem,
    > > just don't like to keep getting that FAILED notice with the red flag.
    > > Will delete the %windir%\SoftwareDistribution folder and start over.

    >
    > > Thanks again.  Oh yeah, WinXP SP3 IE8

    >
    > KB949810 (and KB905474) is an Optional, non-security update which can be
    > hidden without deleting SoftwareDistribution folder.
    >
    > 1. Stop the Automatic Updates service:
    >
    > Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
    > Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Stop
    > (Stopping the service will take a moment)
    >
    > 2. Delete the contents of the Download folder:
    >
    > Start > Run > (type in) %windir%\SoftwareDistribution > [OK]
    > Open the Download folder and delete its contents
    > Close the window.
    >
    > 3. Go to Windows Update website | Select CUSTOM and allow the scan to
    > complete | Uncheck/deselect KB949810 [and IE8, if offered again] and hideit
    > ("Don't show me this update again").
    >
    > 4. Start the Automatic Updates service:
    >
    > Start > Run > (type in) services.msc > [OK]
    > Double-click Automatic Updates > Click on Start
    > (Starting the service will take a moment)
    >
    > IN RE your reply to Jose's post: Many others have been griping about
    > "WUAUCLT.EXE slowing down my computer" this month and I suspect it's due to
    > the record number of updates & server demand (which I discussed in my
    > previous reply).  If things don't calm down soon AND you've installed (or
    > hidden) all pertinent updates (which you can check by doing a CUSTOM scanathttp://windowsupdate.microsoft.com), see if a Reset resolves the behavior:
    >
    > How do I reset Windows Update components?
    > => Ignore the APPLIES TO section if Win7; Access KB971058 via Internet
    > Explorer (32-bit) only; Run the Fix It in DEFAULT and then AGGRESSIVE modes,
    > then reboot [1]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971058
    >
    > You're welcome & thanks for your feedback.
    >
    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    > [1] Full Disclosure: Running the Fix It in AGGRESSIVE mode will delete your
    > Update History but not the list of installed updates in Add/Remove Programs.
    > --
    > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


    Well Bear, I gave it a try and still no happiness in Mudville. Opened
    the Download folder in Software Distribution folder and deleted all of
    the contents. Went to MS Update site and selected Custom. Results
    were - one Critical Update - the KB949810 Office Gen Advantage - same
    as before. And like before, it indicated it was already downloaded
    and available for installation. The option to 'Not Show It Again',
    was grayed out. Checked the Download folder and nothing in it. So,
    where could that installer for KB949810 be hiding?

    The scan for updates was as slow as ever. Is that mainly due to my
    system's resource constraints, or is it the slowness of the app's
    communication with the servers?

    Would deleting the entire Software Distribution folder get rid of it?
    Would running MS Update then rebuild that folder?

    I use the MS vs Win update option since I do have Office installed and
    want to get updates for it, as well as all the other bits and pieces
    MS has put on my system over the years, like .Net and Silverlight.
    Are those apps really necessary?

    RE the 4 hours mentioned by Jose, could that be happening because the
    MS Security Essentials app is installed? That app's use of AU is what
    caused me to shy away from installing it. Sticking with Avira AntiVir
    Free for now.

    Oh yeah, why don't you recommend IE8?

    Thanks for all of your answers and help.
     

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