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Do you use OpenOffice and do you find it is not compatible withOffice Word?

Discussion in 'Microsoft Office' started by RayLopez99, Apr 6, 2010.

  1. RayLopez99

    RayLopez99 Flightless Bird

    I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
    but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
    are complex.

    Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? Is it
    true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
    Word?

    Thanks,

    RL
     
  2. ToolPackinMama

    ToolPackinMama Flightless Bird

    On 4/6/2010 3:59 PM, RayLopez99 wrote:
    > I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
    > but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
    > are complex.
    >
    > Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? Is it
    > true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
    > Word?


    Can you define "complex"?

    IMHO, if OO can't do it, you can probably do without it.

    In my mind, 99% and free is as good as 100% and expensive.

    Believe me, I'll make do.

    BTW I just donated some money to OpenOffice.org. If the idea of getting
    a quality product for free bothers you, then give them some money and
    pay for it. They won't mind.
     
  3. Tom Willett

    Tom Willett Flightless Bird

    Re: Do you use OpenOffice and do you find it is not compatible with Office Word?

    "RayLopez99" <raylopez88@gmail.com> wrote in message
    : Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? Is it
    : true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
    : Word?
    :
    Yes, it's true.
    :
    : RL
     
  4. RayLopez99

    RayLopez99 Flightless Bird

    On Apr 6, 10:10 pm, ToolPackinMama <philnbl...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > On 4/6/2010 3:59 PM, RayLopez99 wrote:
    >
    > > I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
    > > but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
    > > are complex.

    >
    > > Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents?  Is it
    > > true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
    > > Word?

    >
    > Can you define "complex"?


    Easy. Complex is a feature that your opponent in a negotiation has in
    their word processing document, that you cannot reproduce because you
    are using OO rather than Word.

    Got it? And that means you lose the negotiation, lose the sale, lose
    the job, lose your job.

    RL
     
  5. owl

    owl Flightless Bird

    Re: Do you use OpenOffice and do you find it is not compatible with ?Office Word?

    In comp.os.linux.advocacy RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On Apr 6, 10:10 pm, ToolPackinMama <philnbl...@comcast.net> wrote:
    >> On 4/6/2010 3:59 PM, RayLopez99 wrote:
    >>
    >> > I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
    >> > but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
    >> > are complex.

    >>
    >> > Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents?  Is it
    >> > true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
    >> > Word?

    >>
    >> Can you define "complex"?

    >
    > Easy. Complex is a feature that your opponent in a negotiation has in
    > their word processing document, that you cannot reproduce because you
    > are using OO rather than Word.
    >
    > Got it? And that means you lose the negotiation, lose the sale, lose
    > the job, lose your job.
    >


    Could you outline a scenario where lack of a document feature would
    cause loss of a negotiation, sale, or job?
     
  6. Chris Ahlstrom

    Chris Ahlstrom Flightless Bird

    Tom Willett pulled this Usenet boner:

    > "RayLopez99" <raylopez88@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >: Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? Is it
    >: true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
    >: Word?
    > :
    > Yes, it's true.
    > :
    >: RL


    Nonetheless, you can work quite well with OpenOffice alone -- it's a free
    download, so no one will be unable to read or edit your OpenOffice
    documents.

    And the compatibility between OpenOffice and MS Office documents,
    spreadsheets, and slideshows can be quite good. I generate MS formats with
    OpenOffice all the time, and noboby notices. However, it is a little dicier
    reading in a document once MS Office has edited it.

    It also helps in cross-pollination if you have the Windows fonts available.

    --
    We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is
    in it - and stay there, lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot
    stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again - and that
    is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one any more.
    -- Mark Twain
     
  7. ray

    ray Flightless Bird

    On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:59:30 -0700, RayLopez99 wrote:

    > I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
    > but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
    > are complex.
    >
    > Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? Is it
    > true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
    > Word?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > RL


    Why would I give a rat's ass? Anyone in the world running Linux, MS or
    MAC can simply and easily download and install OOo for free. BTW - MS
    Office is not even compatible with MS Office. You're in pretty good shape
    if you happen to have the same exact version - otherwise it's no more
    compatible than OOo.
     
  8. Ian Hilliard

    Ian Hilliard Flightless Bird

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    > I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
    > but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
    > are complex.
    >
    > Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? Is it
    > true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
    > Word?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > RL


    I use OpenOffice.org and find that it is excellent for writing
    documents, and then exporting them as .pdf for distribution.

    I am also confident that the archive of the original document will still
    be usable in many years time. The same cannot be said for some old MS
    Word documents that I have.

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  9. bbgruff

    bbgruff Flightless Bird

    Re: Do you use OpenOffice and do you find it is not compatible with Office Word?

    On Tuesday 06 April 2010 21:13 Tom Willett wrote:

    >
    > "RayLopez99" <raylopez88@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > : Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? Is it
    > : true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
    > : Word?
    > :
    > Yes, it's true.


    :) :)
    (but will be lost on him, I'm afraid)
     
  10. Richard Rasker

    Richard Rasker Flightless Bird

    Re: Do you use OpenOffice and do you find it is not compatible with ?Office Word?

    owl wrote:

    > In comp.os.linux.advocacy RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> On Apr 6, 10:10 pm, ToolPackinMama <philnbl...@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>> On 4/6/2010 3:59 PM, RayLopez99 wrote:
    >>>
    >>> > I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
    >>> > but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
    >>> > are complex.
    >>>
    >>> > Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents?  Is it
    >>> > true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
    >>> > Word?
    >>>
    >>> Can you define "complex"?

    >>
    >> Easy. Complex is a feature that your opponent in a negotiation has in
    >> their word processing document, that you cannot reproduce because you
    >> are using OO rather than Word.
    >>
    >> Got it? And that means you lose the negotiation, lose the sale, lose
    >> the job, lose your job.
    >>

    >
    > Could you outline a scenario where lack of a document feature would
    > cause loss of a negotiation, sale, or job?


    Not to mention the fact that only non-savvy idiots use an editable document
    format to share information with outsiders, instead of PDF.

    Richard Rasker
    --
    http://www.linetec.nl
     
  11. 7

    7 Flightless Bird

    Re: Do you use OpenOffice and do you find it is not compatible with Office Word?

    Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster with a big girlie butt
    pounding the sock RayLopez99 wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft
    Appil Traffic Light Department of Marketing:



    > I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
    > but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
    > are complex.


    Why should anyone put their complex documents into a proprietary
    format when its cheaper to use ODF and Open Office that
    handles even more complexity and still renders perfect!

    Open office not only supports ISO standard ODF compliant documents
    but years from now it is guaranteed to be retrievable.
    Open office is the only thing that now opens older
    micoshaft format documents because micoshaft don't supply
    any software that works.

    Micoshaft can't guarantee crap even with their own crap.

    They don't have documentation to describe a complex word document.
    Like the way they didn't have any documents to describe
    Samba/Cifs networking and got fined some 1 or 2 million
    dollars per day until they submitted. It took 300 engineers
    and months to comply.

    Plus micoshaft crap can expire on you unlike Open Office.

    I had a support call about micoshaft oriffice.
    The freaking thing expires and locks out users until they pay!

    I told them to use open office.
    They said they already knew about Open Office and used it.
    But their school cannot open the open office document.
    After a little investigation, it was found to be micoshaft
    document formats again! Again and again its the same crap.
    The ISO standard for document is ODF and Educationalists should stick to
    standards!! They are stupidest retards in the world!
    So I told that family to convert their ISO standard ODF files into
    micosahft proprietary crap using the option under save dialog box
    so that their crap school can open
    the files and the problem got sorted.


    > Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? Is it
    > true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
    > Word?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > RL



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  12. RayLopez99

    RayLopez99 Flightless Bird

    Re: Do you use OpenOffice and do you find it is not compatible with?Office Word?

    On Apr 6, 10:37 pm, owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
    > In comp.os.linux.advocacy RayLopez99 <raylope...@gmail.com> wrote:


    > >> Can you define "complex"?

    >
    > > Easy.  Complex is a feature that your opponent in a negotiation has in
    > > their word processing document, that you cannot reproduce because you
    > > are using OO rather than Word.

    >
    > > Got it?  And that means you lose the negotiation, lose the sale, lose
    > > the job, lose your job.

    >
    > Could you outline a scenario where lack of a document feature would
    > cause loss of a negotiation, sale, or job?


    Easy. But you're smart enough to do that owl.

    I've been involved in multibillion dollar negotiations, teetering on a
    knife edge (buyer/seller last minute remorse), where having the wrong
    font (offensive to the other side) was almost the straw that broke the
    camel's back. If you read Barbarians at the Gate there's a scene in
    there about how a certain aroma of tobacco smoke in a smoke filled
    room was deemed offensive. Imagine now sending a file in OO rather
    than Office that breaks. Hell, that's cause for terminating a
    negotiation even in the best of times, much less when people are on
    the edge of their seat.

    RL
     
  13. RayLopez99

    RayLopez99 Flightless Bird

    Re: Do you use OpenOffice and do you find it is not compatible with?Office Word?

    On Apr 6, 11:39 pm, Richard Rasker <spamt...@linetec.nl> wrote:

    > Not to mention the fact that only non-savvy idiots use an editable document
    > format to share information with outsiders, instead of PDF.
    >


    Or poor folks like you. In fact, most professionals insist on an
    editable format document, so PDF is out by definition.

    Go save some lives or do some of the superman things you claim to do
    with Linux, Reichard.

    RL
     
  14. owl

    owl Flightless Bird

    Re: Do you use OpenOffice and do you find it is not compatible with ??Office Word?

    In comp.os.linux.advocacy RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On Apr 6, 10:37 pm, owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
    >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy RayLopez99 <raylope...@gmail.com> wrote:

    >
    >> >> Can you define "complex"?

    >>
    >> > Easy.  Complex is a feature that your opponent in a negotiation has in
    >> > their word processing document, that you cannot reproduce because you
    >> > are using OO rather than Word.

    >>
    >> > Got it?  And that means you lose the negotiation, lose the sale, lose
    >> > the job, lose your job.

    >>
    >> Could you outline a scenario where lack of a document feature would
    >> cause loss of a negotiation, sale, or job?

    >
    > Easy. But you're smart enough to do that owl.
    >
    > I've been involved in multibillion dollar negotiations, teetering on a
    > knife edge (buyer/seller last minute remorse), where having the wrong
    > font (offensive to the other side) was almost the straw that broke the
    > camel's back. If you read Barbarians at the Gate there's a scene in
    > there about how a certain aroma of tobacco smoke in a smoke filled
    > room was deemed offensive. Imagine now sending a file in OO rather
    > than Office that breaks. Hell, that's cause for terminating a
    > negotiation even in the best of times, much less when people are on
    > the edge of their seat.
    >


    Sounds like people who don't want to do business with each other to me.
     
  15. LVTravel

    LVTravel Flightless Bird

    Re: Do you use OpenOffice and do you find it is not compatible with ?Office Word?

    "RayLopez99" <raylopez88@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:ddaf1461-052b-4d53-ab43-247d33fe0eb6@11g2000yqr.googlegroups.com...
    > On Apr 6, 10:37 pm, owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
    >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy RayLopez99 <raylope...@gmail.com> wrote:

    >
    >> >> Can you define "complex"?

    >>
    >> > Easy. Complex is a feature that your opponent in a negotiation has in
    >> > their word processing document, that you cannot reproduce because you
    >> > are using OO rather than Word.

    >>
    >> > Got it? And that means you lose the negotiation, lose the sale, lose
    >> > the job, lose your job.

    >>
    >> Could you outline a scenario where lack of a document feature would
    >> cause loss of a negotiation, sale, or job?

    >
    > Easy. But you're smart enough to do that owl.
    >
    > I've been involved in multibillion dollar negotiations, teetering on a
    > knife edge (buyer/seller last minute remorse), where having the wrong
    > font (offensive to the other side) was almost the straw that broke the
    > camel's back. If you read Barbarians at the Gate there's a scene in
    > there about how a certain aroma of tobacco smoke in a smoke filled
    > room was deemed offensive. Imagine now sending a file in OO rather
    > than Office that breaks. Hell, that's cause for terminating a
    > negotiation even in the best of times, much less when people are on
    > the edge of their seat.
    >
    > RL


    You don't save the OO document as an .odt but you do a SaveAs a Word 97-2003
    document. When that is done anything that is compatible with Word will be
    saved. With the newest version of OO it will even handle most of the Word
    2007 files.

    Now if you are negotiating a multi-million dollar project I would think that
    someone would get off of a few hundred dollars and purchase Office to ensure
    compatibility.
     
  16. ToolPackinMama

    ToolPackinMama Flightless Bird

    On 4/6/2010 4:17 PM, RayLopez99 wrote:
    > On Apr 6, 10:10 pm, ToolPackinMama<philnbl...@comcast.net> wrote:
    >> On 4/6/2010 3:59 PM, RayLopez99 wrote:
    >>
    >>> I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
    >>> but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
    >>> are complex.

    >>
    >>> Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? Is it
    >>> true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
    >>> Word?

    >>
    >> Can you define "complex"?

    >
    > Easy. Complex is a feature that your opponent in a negotiation has in
    > their word processing document, that you cannot reproduce because you
    > are using OO rather than Word.
    >
    > Got it? And that means you lose the negotiation, lose the sale, lose
    > the job, lose your job.
    >
    > RL


    Well, what I meant was, what sort of formatting or font would cause that?
     
  17. ToolPackinMama

    ToolPackinMama Flightless Bird

    Re: Do you use OpenOffice and do you find it is not compatible with?Office Word?

    On 4/6/2010 4:37 PM, owl wrote:
    > In comp.os.linux.advocacy RayLopez99<raylopez88@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> On Apr 6, 10:10 pm, ToolPackinMama<philnbl...@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>> On 4/6/2010 3:59 PM, RayLopez99 wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I've heard that Open Office is at best "99%" the same as Office Word,
    >>>> but I'm concerned with it being 100%, since many of my Word documents
    >>>> are complex.
    >>>
    >>>> Anybody have experience in OpenOffice with complex documents? Is it
    >>>> true that somethings just won't translate properly to and from Office
    >>>> Word?
    >>>
    >>> Can you define "complex"?

    >>
    >> Easy. Complex is a feature that your opponent in a negotiation has in
    >> their word processing document, that you cannot reproduce because you
    >> are using OO rather than Word.
    >>
    >> Got it? And that means you lose the negotiation, lose the sale, lose
    >> the job, lose your job.
    >>

    >
    > Could you outline a scenario where lack of a document feature would
    > cause loss of a negotiation, sale, or job?
    >


    Yes I too am wondering what specific thing would be missing that would
    be so critical?
     
  18. ToolPackinMama

    ToolPackinMama Flightless Bird

    On 4/6/2010 4:46 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    > It also helps in cross-pollination if you have the Windows fonts available.


    To my mind, the professional thing to do is to ensure that your
    documents are cross-compatible. After all, one doesn't always know whom
    one is dealing with, does one?

    If the program is needed by your business, then I suppose you can simply
    write off the expense as a business expense, yes?

    I am trying to picture exactly what sort of document a person must avoid
    to avoid compatibility problems. I don't think that the solution is to
    simply have everybody everywhere use Microsoft Office. Even the many
    versions of Microsoft Office aren't 100% compatible with each other.
     
  19. ToolPackinMama

    ToolPackinMama Flightless Bird

    On 4/6/2010 6:03 PM, 7 wrote:

    > Open office is the only thing that now opens older
    > micoshaft format documents because micoshaft don't supply
    > any software that works.


    That looks like a point for Open Office.
     
  20. SomeBloke

    SomeBloke Flightless Bird

    Re: Do you use OpenOffice and do you find it is not compatible with?Office Word?

    On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:08:58 -0700, RayLopez99 wrote:

    > On Apr 6, 10:37 pm, owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
    >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy RayLopez99 <raylope...@gmail.com> wrote:

    >
    >> >> Can you define "complex"?

    >>
    >> > Easy.  Complex is a feature that your opponent in a negotiation has
    >> > in their word processing document, that you cannot reproduce because
    >> > you are using OO rather than Word.

    >>
    >> > Got it?  And that means you lose the negotiation, lose the sale, lose
    >> > the job, lose your job.

    >>
    >> Could you outline a scenario where lack of a document feature would
    >> cause loss of a negotiation, sale, or job?

    >
    > Easy. But you're smart enough to do that owl.
    >
    > I've been involved in multibillion dollar negotiations, teetering on a
    > knife edge (buyer/seller last minute remorse), where having the wrong
    > font (offensive to the other side) was almost the straw that broke the
    > camel's back. If you read Barbarians at the Gate there's a scene in
    > there about how a certain aroma of tobacco smoke in a smoke filled room
    > was deemed offensive. Imagine now sending a file in OO rather than
    > Office that breaks. Hell, that's cause for terminating a negotiation
    > even in the best of times, much less when people are on the edge of
    > their seat.
    >
    > RL


    You are mentally ill. Please seek help.



    --
    I'm always polite, reasonable and kind.... except when I'm not.
     

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