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D partition empty...want to add to C partition

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Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:18:06 -0500, "Seth"
<seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
>news:dnetn51qrv6fkmlu8qkde9tf5b5bmi0qu9@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:20:47 -0500, "Bogey Man" <newdoverman@yahoo.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:8adrn5hscagvj5rvgb8hhmusg7sdjp28ob@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:13:21 -0500, "Bogey Man" <newdoverman@yahoo.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The deleting of the D partition and adding the space to the C partition
>>>>>turned out to be one of the easiest things that I have ever done. I
>>>>>should
>>>>>have done it months ago.
>>>>
>>>> You didn't see any advantages in keeping two (or more) partitions? I
>>>> always cringe a little when a system comes into the shop and I see
>>>> that it's running everything from a single partition. IMHO, two hard
>>>> drives are better than one, but if that's not possible I always
>>>> encourage the creation and use of at least a second partition.
>>>
>>>
>>>There is no real advantage to have two or more partitions in my opinion.
>>>If
>>>the hard drive crashes, all the data on other partitions is probably gone
>>>too. Two hard drives are better than one but a partition is NOT another
>>>physical drive. A partition on a hard drive is like having a room in a
>>>house. If the house burns down that room is gone too.
>>
>> The advantage is that you have a place to store downloaded apps,
>> videos, digital music and photos, documents, etc., where they won't be
>> lost if you find that you need to reinstall Windows.
>
>I do that all under the default profile folders. Heck, they're already
>named just like you describe above.

Yep, a lot of people do that. Since it's the default, it's the easiest
option. My point was that the data is significantly less safe there.

>> Obviously, losing the entire drive means losing all of its partitions,
>> but many times a system crash can be rebuilt without touching any
>> other partitions, so it's a measure of safety.
>
>I can still access the data on a no longer bootable partition using PE or
>putting the drive into a dock if need be.

Yep, but it gets significantly more difficult after that partition has
been reformatted and Windows reinstalled.
 
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Seth

Flightless Bird
"Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:18:06 -0500, "Seth"
> <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:dnetn51qrv6fkmlu8qkde9tf5b5bmi0qu9@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:20:47 -0500, "Bogey Man" <newdoverman@yahoo.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>news:8adrn5hscagvj5rvgb8hhmusg7sdjp28ob@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:13:21 -0500, "Bogey Man" <newdoverman@yahoo.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The deleting of the D partition and adding the space to the C
>>>>>>partition
>>>>>>turned out to be one of the easiest things that I have ever done. I
>>>>>>should
>>>>>>have done it months ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> You didn't see any advantages in keeping two (or more) partitions? I
>>>>> always cringe a little when a system comes into the shop and I see
>>>>> that it's running everything from a single partition. IMHO, two hard
>>>>> drives are better than one, but if that's not possible I always
>>>>> encourage the creation and use of at least a second partition.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There is no real advantage to have two or more partitions in my opinion.
>>>>If
>>>>the hard drive crashes, all the data on other partitions is probably
>>>>gone
>>>>too. Two hard drives are better than one but a partition is NOT another
>>>>physical drive. A partition on a hard drive is like having a room in a
>>>>house. If the house burns down that room is gone too.
>>>
>>> The advantage is that you have a place to store downloaded apps,
>>> videos, digital music and photos, documents, etc., where they won't be
>>> lost if you find that you need to reinstall Windows.
>>
>>I do that all under the default profile folders. Heck, they're already
>>named just like you describe above.
>
> Yep, a lot of people do that. Since it's the default, it's the easiest
> option. My point was that the data is significantly less safe there.

What makes it more difficult? Any drive can easily be formatted and any
data folder can easily be deleted. Just as easy if located on C: or D: or
any other letter.

>>> Obviously, losing the entire drive means losing all of its partitions,
>>> but many times a system crash can be rebuilt without touching any
>>> other partitions, so it's a measure of safety.
>>
>>I can still access the data on a no longer bootable partition using PE or
>>putting the drive into a dock if need be.
>
> Yep, but it gets significantly more difficult after that partition has
> been reformatted and Windows reinstalled.

Which also goes for the D: partition as well. That's why in case of failure
and no backup available, retrieve files before doing installation. That
advice goes for even if the data is on a different drive letter (or actually
any drive installed in the system and not disconnected first) as any
"sloppy" person could just as easily install to the wrong partition/drive if
they don't pay attention. And the people who are most likely to make a data
dangerous mistake are probably people who are apt to not pay attention.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
On 2/18/10, Char Jackson posted:
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:42:36 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
> <letters@someplace.invalid> wrote:

>> On 2/18/10, Char Jackson posted:
>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:13:21 -0500, "Bogey Man" <newdoverman@yahoo.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> The deleting of the D partition and adding the space to the C partition
>>>> turned out to be one of the easiest things that I have ever done. I should
>>>> have done it months ago.
>>
>>> You didn't see any advantages in keeping two (or more) partitions? I
>>> always cringe a little when a system comes into the shop and I see
>>> that it's running everything from a single partition. IMHO, two hard
>>> drives are better than one, but if that's not possible I always
>>> encourage the creation and use of at least a second partition.
>>
>> It's an excellent idea.
>>
>> I don't do it...
>>
>> I do back my system up almost every year :)

> There are multiple winning strategies. :)

One of the better responsees to my irreverences - thanks for the laugh.

--
Gene Bloch 650.366.4267 lettersatblochg.com
 
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Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:35:24 -0500, "Seth"
<seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
>news:5hptn55g5nghmnvabu914c43mu31h0e3e9@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:18:06 -0500, "Seth"
>> <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:dnetn51qrv6fkmlu8qkde9tf5b5bmi0qu9@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:20:47 -0500, "Bogey Man" <newdoverman@yahoo.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>news:8adrn5hscagvj5rvgb8hhmusg7sdjp28ob@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:13:21 -0500, "Bogey Man" <newdoverman@yahoo.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The deleting of the D partition and adding the space to the C
>>>>>>>partition
>>>>>>>turned out to be one of the easiest things that I have ever done. I
>>>>>>>should
>>>>>>>have done it months ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You didn't see any advantages in keeping two (or more) partitions? I
>>>>>> always cringe a little when a system comes into the shop and I see
>>>>>> that it's running everything from a single partition. IMHO, two hard
>>>>>> drives are better than one, but if that's not possible I always
>>>>>> encourage the creation and use of at least a second partition.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>There is no real advantage to have two or more partitions in my opinion.
>>>>>If
>>>>>the hard drive crashes, all the data on other partitions is probably
>>>>>gone
>>>>>too. Two hard drives are better than one but a partition is NOT another
>>>>>physical drive. A partition on a hard drive is like having a room in a
>>>>>house. If the house burns down that room is gone too.
>>>>
>>>> The advantage is that you have a place to store downloaded apps,
>>>> videos, digital music and photos, documents, etc., where they won't be
>>>> lost if you find that you need to reinstall Windows.
>>>
>>>I do that all under the default profile folders. Heck, they're already
>>>named just like you describe above.
>>
>> Yep, a lot of people do that. Since it's the default, it's the easiest
>> option. My point was that the data is significantly less safe there.
>
>What makes it more difficult? Any drive can easily be formatted and any
>data folder can easily be deleted. Just as easy if located on C: or D: or
>any other letter.

A majority of the systems brought into my shop have perfectly
functioning hardware, but Windows has experienced a severe malfunction
(it's not unusual for it to be a direct fault of the customer rather
than a fault with Windows itself), and the owner has decided to
restore an OEM image or simply reformatted and reinstalled Windows. At
that point, I see the machine because something has gone dramatically
wrong. In most of those cases, they are disappointed to learn that
their precious data is at a high risk of being lost. I can recover
some, but usually not all, if they have reformatted and reinstalled.
It's time consuming and I charge by the hour for that since every job
is different. If they had simply stored their data on a second
partition (at a minimum! Moving to a second drive is even better) then
I wouldn't need to recover anything because it would still be
available.

I can't remember the last time a system has come in where the owner
has accidentally blown away a second partition or drive. It's
typically the 'C:' drive that got trashed. So my point isn't that data
stored on a different partition or drive is 'safe', only that it's
relatively safer compared to storing it on the C drive along with the
OS.

>>>> Obviously, losing the entire drive means losing all of its partitions,
>>>> but many times a system crash can be rebuilt without touching any
>>>> other partitions, so it's a measure of safety.
>>>
>>>I can still access the data on a no longer bootable partition using PE or
>>>putting the drive into a dock if need be.
>>
>> Yep, but it gets significantly more difficult after that partition has
>> been reformatted and Windows reinstalled.
>
>Which also goes for the D: partition as well.

If D: is a data storage partition, why would it be reformatted? I
suppose it could happen if an owner was especially fat fingered, but
it's not at all common, IME. Like I mentioned above, I can't remember
the last time a system came in with that problem.

>That's why in case of failure
>and no backup available, retrieve files before doing installation. That
>advice goes for even if the data is on a different drive letter (or actually
>any drive installed in the system and not disconnected first) as any
>"sloppy" person could just as easily install to the wrong partition/drive if
>they don't pay attention. And the people who are most likely to make a data
>dangerous mistake are probably people who are apt to not pay attention.

Great advice, and if everyone followed it I would have a lot less
business. :)

Is this horse dead yet?
 
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Al Smith

Flightless Bird
Char Jackson wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:20:47 -0500, "Bogey Man"<newdoverman@yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> "Char Jackson"<none@none.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:8adrn5hscagvj5rvgb8hhmusg7sdjp28ob@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:13:21 -0500, "Bogey Man"<newdoverman@yahoo.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The deleting of the D partition and adding the space to the C partition
>>>> turned out to be one of the easiest things that I have ever done. I should
>>>> have done it months ago.
>>>
>>> You didn't see any advantages in keeping two (or more) partitions? I
>>> always cringe a little when a system comes into the shop and I see
>>> that it's running everything from a single partition. IMHO, two hard
>>> drives are better than one, but if that's not possible I always
>>> encourage the creation and use of at least a second partition.
>>
>>
>> There is no real advantage to have two or more partitions in my opinion. If
>> the hard drive crashes, all the data on other partitions is probably gone
>> too. Two hard drives are better than one but a partition is NOT another
>> physical drive. A partition on a hard drive is like having a room in a
>> house. If the house burns down that room is gone too.
>
> The advantage is that you have a place to store downloaded apps,
> videos, digital music and photos, documents, etc., where they won't be
> lost if you find that you need to reinstall Windows.
>
> Obviously, losing the entire drive means losing all of its partitions,
> but many times a system crash can be rebuilt without touching any
> other partitions, so it's a measure of safety.
>
> Ramping up the safety even more could involve adding a second internal
> drive, a second external drive, or off-site (or even online) storage,
> but there's no denying that a second partition is safer than a single
> partition.
>
>> Each to their own but if I want a D "drive" it will be a separate physical
>> drive.
>
> For my own systems, I agree with you. That's why I have 6 internal
> drives and sometimes 2 external drives. I'm not a fan of external
> drives, but sometimes they make it easier to move large amounts of
> data between systems, especially when it's not practical to move it
> over the network.
>

How do you get six internal SATA drives? My new dell only has
three SATA plugs on the motherboard. I've got one for my DVD
drive, and the other two for my two internal hard drives. Do you
get a card with more internal SATA plugs? What about power? Do you
use an extension cord with multiple leads?

-Al-
 
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Seth

Flightless Bird
"Al Smith" <invalid@address.com> wrote in message
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>
> How do you get six internal SATA drives? My new dell only has three SATA
> plugs on the motherboard. I've got one for my DVD drive, and the other two
> for my two internal hard drives. Do you get a card with more internal SATA
> plugs? What about power? Do you use an extension cord with multiple leads?


Different hardware has different ports. There are some motherboards out
there with 8. 6 is becoming pretty common. Add-on cards give you more as
well.

The VM servers in my lab all have at least 8. 4 on the motherboard and 4 on
an add-on RAID card.
 
C

Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:44:05 GMT, Al Smith <invalid@address.com>
wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:20:47 -0500, "Bogey Man"<newdoverman@yahoo.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Char Jackson"<none@none.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:8adrn5hscagvj5rvgb8hhmusg7sdjp28ob@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:13:21 -0500, "Bogey Man"<newdoverman@yahoo.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The deleting of the D partition and adding the space to the C partition
>>>>> turned out to be one of the easiest things that I have ever done. I should
>>>>> have done it months ago.
>>>>
>>>> You didn't see any advantages in keeping two (or more) partitions? I
>>>> always cringe a little when a system comes into the shop and I see
>>>> that it's running everything from a single partition. IMHO, two hard
>>>> drives are better than one, but if that's not possible I always
>>>> encourage the creation and use of at least a second partition.
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no real advantage to have two or more partitions in my opinion. If
>>> the hard drive crashes, all the data on other partitions is probably gone
>>> too. Two hard drives are better than one but a partition is NOT another
>>> physical drive. A partition on a hard drive is like having a room in a
>>> house. If the house burns down that room is gone too.
>>
>> The advantage is that you have a place to store downloaded apps,
>> videos, digital music and photos, documents, etc., where they won't be
>> lost if you find that you need to reinstall Windows.
>>
>> Obviously, losing the entire drive means losing all of its partitions,
>> but many times a system crash can be rebuilt without touching any
>> other partitions, so it's a measure of safety.
>>
>> Ramping up the safety even more could involve adding a second internal
>> drive, a second external drive, or off-site (or even online) storage,
>> but there's no denying that a second partition is safer than a single
>> partition.
>>
>>> Each to their own but if I want a D "drive" it will be a separate physical
>>> drive.
>>
>> For my own systems, I agree with you. That's why I have 6 internal
>> drives and sometimes 2 external drives. I'm not a fan of external
>> drives, but sometimes they make it easier to move large amounts of
>> data between systems, especially when it's not practical to move it
>> over the network.
>>
>
>How do you get six internal SATA drives? My new dell only has
>three SATA plugs on the motherboard. I've got one for my DVD
>drive, and the other two for my two internal hard drives. Do you
>get a card with more internal SATA plugs? What about power? Do you
>use an extension cord with multiple leads?

My Asus M2N32-SLI DELUXE motherboard has 7 internal SATA connectors
and one (external) eSATA. I have a CD/DVD burner on port 7 and ports
1-6 are hard drives totaling 7 TB. One external drive runs off the
eSATA port and the other external is only USB. For power, I have 2
Y-adapters but otherwise the PC's power supply has enough power leads
for everything.

If you have an empty slot, I suppose you could add a SATA controller,
but at some point you might also want to consider upgrading the system
power supply if it's marginal.
 
B

Bogey Man

Flightless Bird
Much snipped for
brevity-------------------------------------------------------
>>I do that all under the default profile folders. Heck, they're already
>>named just like you describe above.
>
> Yep, a lot of people do that. Since it's the default, it's the easiest
> option. My point was that the data is significantly less safe there.

That is why you make regular backups of things that are important and can't
be replaced. If something can be replaced by making a simple download why
worry about losing it as you can get it again.

>>> Obviously, losing the entire drive means losing all of its partitions,
>>> but many times a system crash can be rebuilt without touching any
>>> other partitions, so it's a measure of safety.
 
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