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cpu usage when windows is idle

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by minimus, Feb 10, 2010.

  1. minimus

    minimus Flightless Bird

    My CPU fan starts to work hard when I leave windows 7 idle. Windows has
    really no reason to keep the CPU work because many of the services are
    disabled and no program is running in the background. The moment I touch a
    key or mouse button cpu usage declines immediately and cpu fan stops working
    hard. I don't undserstand what keeps my cpu busy when I am away from the
    computer.
     
  2. Bruce Hagen

    Bruce Hagen Flightless Bird

    "minimus" <minimus@live.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:hkvfe6$hbm$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > My CPU fan starts to work hard when I leave windows 7 idle. Windows has
    > really no reason to keep the CPU work because many of the services are
    > disabled and no program is running in the background. The moment I touch
    > a key or mouse button cpu usage declines immediately and cpu fan stops
    > working hard. I don't undserstand what keeps my cpu busy when I am away
    > from the computer.



    You're going to have to find what program is eating up the CPUs first via
    the Task Manager | Processes Tab.
    --
    Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP [Mail]
    Imperial Beach, CA
     
  3. Gene E. Bloch

    Gene E. Bloch Flightless Bird

    On 2/10/10, Bruce Hagen posted:
    > "minimus" <minimus@live.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:hkvfe6$hbm$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> My CPU fan starts to work hard when I leave windows 7 idle. Windows has
    >> really no reason to keep the CPU work because many of the services are
    >> disabled and no program is running in the background. The moment I touch a
    >> key or mouse button cpu usage declines immediately and cpu fan stops
    >> working hard. I don't undserstand what keeps my cpu busy when I am away
    >> from the computer.



    > You're going to have to find what program is eating up the CPUs first via the
    > Task Manager | Processes Tab.


    Such as Indexing Service and Norton Internet Security.

    Neither seems to use much CPU time on my system, but the OP's MMV.

    Both can slow a backup down, however. Norton has a setting that helps,
    but Indexing seems to come back after I've turned it off on my backup
    drive. My next experiment: use the BU drive without a drive letter...

    --
    Gene Bloch 650.366.4267 lettersatblochg.com
     
  4. minimus

    minimus Flightless Bird

    "Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    news:D6Icn.76138$JE2.49458@newsfe09.iad...
    > You're going to have to find what program is eating up the CPUs first via
    > the Task Manager | Processes Tab.


    Cant do that: the moment I touch the computer cpu usage slows down and cant
    see it in the process tab. When I open the process tab and then leave the
    computer idle, then it does not use the CPU as it would if I had not opened
    the process tab. So it leaves me no chance to see what is eating up the cpu
    when the computer is idle.
     
  5. minimus

    minimus Flightless Bird


    > Such as Indexing Service and Norton Internet Security.


    Indexing is diable and I use AVG and AVG has no automatic updating or
    whatsoever.
     
  6. Marty

    Marty Flightless Bird

    Don't know what version of AVG you are using but version 9 has
    a process that scans all hard drives and builds a cache of programs
    on the system each time you start your system. This scan can't be turned
    off or disabled so even though you may not be doing anything yourself
    AVG is running in background.

    Also, all versions of AVG have various computer scans turned by default.

    Marty

    minimus wrote:
    >
    >
    >> Such as Indexing Service and Norton Internet Security.

    >
    > Indexing is diable and I use AVG and AVG has no automatic updating or
    > whatsoever.
    >
    >
    >
     
  7. Gene E. Bloch

    Gene E. Bloch Flightless Bird

    On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:33:10 +0100, minimus wrote:

    >> Such as Indexing Service and Norton Internet Security.

    >
    > Indexing is diable and I use AVG and AVG has no automatic updating or
    > whatsoever.
    >


    Note that I used the phrase "such as"... It's up to you to find the
    *actual* offender(s) on your system.

    Since you mentioned it: of what use would an antivirus program be if it
    doesn't do automatic updating? That could allow your computer to get
    infected by new malware, no?

    --
    Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
     
  8. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:33:10 +0100, "minimus" <minimus@live.co.uk>
    wrote:

    >I use AVG and AVG has no automatic updating or whatsoever.


    AVG Free auto updates daily, and the paid version can be set to update
    itself even more frequently. I don't think that's taking any
    appreciable level of CPU, though, so keep looking.
     
  9. Ophelia

    Ophelia Flightless Bird

    "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message
    news:klm0bykj3u4p.1ggnj2k5jjcjj$.dlg@40tude.net...
    > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:33:10 +0100, minimus wrote:
    >
    >>> Such as Indexing Service and Norton Internet Security.

    >>
    >> Indexing is diable and I use AVG and AVG has no automatic updating or
    >> whatsoever.
    >>

    >
    > Note that I used the phrase "such as"... It's up to you to find the
    > *actual* offender(s) on your system.
    >
    > Since you mentioned it: of what use would an antivirus program be if it
    > doesn't do automatic updating? That could allow your computer to get
    > infected by new malware, no?


    I wish I could see when my cpu was active. My new laptop has no light
    showing any activity:(

    --
    --
    https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
     
  10. Dave

    Dave Flightless Bird

    "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    news:r3e9n59j1iba7jhs3snna12oceamarrr39@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:33:10 +0100, "minimus" <minimus@live.co.uk>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>I use AVG and AVG has no automatic updating or whatsoever.

    >
    > AVG Free auto updates daily, and the paid version can be set to update
    > itself even more frequently. I don't think that's taking any
    > appreciable level of CPU, though, so keep looking.
    >


    I used AVG for a while and agree with your assessment, but like another
    poster pointed out, it is constantly creating a database of some sort. This
    is only done in the background when system is idle; I'm at a loss for the
    name of that feature though. You can start the creation manually, let it
    create the db, then it should only do an update incrementally, which I
    wouldn't think would take a lot of time. On initial install there is a
    separate icon for this feature but you can switch it to merge with the AVG
    icon and you never see the icon for the db creator again.
    I'm not positive this is what's going on but I would suggest to the op to
    try shutting this feature off and see it that solves their problem.
    Dave
    PS Another option is MS Security Essentials, which is a free antivirus and
    is rated as one of the highest, even higher than AVG. Does automatic
    updates, auto-scan and warns you if you forget to do a scan for a while.
    It's not a suite though so if you need those features it won't fit the bill.
     
  11. R. C. White

    R. C. White Flightless Bird

    Hi, Ophelia.

    Try Start | All Programs | Desktop Gadget Gallery - and double-click CPU
    Meter.

    This will install a small gadget with 2 dials. The larger one shows CPU
    usage, the smaller shows RAM usage.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX
    rc@grandecom.net
    Microsoft Windows MVP
    Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

    "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
    news:7tkp5gFo72U1@mid.individual.net...
    >
    > "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:klm0bykj3u4p.1ggnj2k5jjcjj$.dlg@40tude.net...
    >> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:33:10 +0100, minimus wrote:
    >>
    >>>> Such as Indexing Service and Norton Internet Security.
    >>>
    >>> Indexing is diable and I use AVG and AVG has no automatic updating or
    >>> whatsoever.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Note that I used the phrase "such as"... It's up to you to find the
    >> *actual* offender(s) on your system.
    >>
    >> Since you mentioned it: of what use would an antivirus program be if it
    >> doesn't do automatic updating? That could allow your computer to get
    >> infected by new malware, no?

    >
    > I wish I could see when my cpu was active. My new laptop has no light
    > showing any activity:(
     
  12. Ophelia

    Ophelia Flightless Bird

    "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
    news:-OYSdnZlW1rwC-ujWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@posted.grandecom...
    > Hi, Ophelia.
    >
    > Try Start | All Programs | Desktop Gadget Gallery - and double-click CPU
    > Meter.
    >
    > This will install a small gadget with 2 dials. The larger one shows CPU
    > usage, the smaller shows RAM usage.


    Oh Coool:)) thank you very much RC:))

    --
    --
    https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
     
  13. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:10:21 -0000, "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk>
    wrote:

    >
    >"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
    >news:-OYSdnZlW1rwC-ujWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@posted.grandecom...
    >> Hi, Ophelia.
    >>
    >> Try Start | All Programs | Desktop Gadget Gallery - and double-click CPU
    >> Meter.
    >>
    >> This will install a small gadget with 2 dials. The larger one shows CPU
    >> usage, the smaller shows RAM usage.

    >
    >Oh Coool:)) thank you very much RC:))


    Don't you explore the various menus and see what things do? I must be
    a lot more curious than you. :)
     
  14. Al Smith

    Al Smith Flightless Bird

    Dave wrote:
    >
    >
    > "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:r3e9n59j1iba7jhs3snna12oceamarrr39@4ax.com...
    >> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:33:10 +0100, "minimus" <minimus@live.co.uk>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I use AVG and AVG has no automatic updating or whatsoever.

    >>
    >> AVG Free auto updates daily, and the paid version can be set to update
    >> itself even more frequently. I don't think that's taking any
    >> appreciable level of CPU, though, so keep looking.
    >>

    >
    > I used AVG for a while and agree with your assessment, but like another
    > poster pointed out, it is constantly creating a database of some sort.
    > This is only done in the background when system is idle; I'm at a loss
    > for the name of that feature though. You can start the creation
    > manually, let it create the db, then it should only do an update
    > incrementally, which I wouldn't think would take a lot of time. On
    > initial install there is a separate icon for this feature but you can
    > switch it to merge with the AVG icon and you never see the icon for the
    > db creator again.
    > I'm not positive this is what's going on but I would suggest to the op
    > to try shutting this feature off and see it that solves their problem.
    > Dave
    > PS Another option is MS Security Essentials, which is a free antivirus
    > and is rated as one of the highest, even higher than AVG. Does automatic
    > updates, auto-scan and warns you if you forget to do a scan for a while.
    > It's not a suite though so if you need those features it won't fit the
    > bill.



    I took a look at Security Essentials and decided against it. It
    phones home to Microsoft, and you need to join the little
    Microsoft purity club in order to get it, so I took a pass.

    -Al-
     
  15. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    Al Smith wrote:
    > Dave wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:r3e9n59j1iba7jhs3snna12oceamarrr39@4ax.com...
    >>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:33:10 +0100, "minimus" <minimus@live.co.uk>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I use AVG and AVG has no automatic updating or whatsoever.
    >>>
    >>> AVG Free auto updates daily, and the paid version can be set to update
    >>> itself even more frequently. I don't think that's taking any
    >>> appreciable level of CPU, though, so keep looking.
    >>>

    >>
    >> I used AVG for a while and agree with your assessment, but like another
    >> poster pointed out, it is constantly creating a database of some sort.
    >> This is only done in the background when system is idle; I'm at a loss
    >> for the name of that feature though. You can start the creation
    >> manually, let it create the db, then it should only do an update
    >> incrementally, which I wouldn't think would take a lot of time. On
    >> initial install there is a separate icon for this feature but you can
    >> switch it to merge with the AVG icon and you never see the icon for the
    >> db creator again.
    >> I'm not positive this is what's going on but I would suggest to the op
    >> to try shutting this feature off and see it that solves their problem.
    >> Dave
    >> PS Another option is MS Security Essentials, which is a free antivirus
    >> and is rated as one of the highest, even higher than AVG. Does automatic
    >> updates, auto-scan and warns you if you forget to do a scan for a while.
    >> It's not a suite though so if you need those features it won't fit the
    >> bill.

    >
    >
    > I took a look at Security Essentials and decided against it. It phones
    > home to Microsoft,...


    ....so?

    and you need to join the little Microsoft purity club
    > in order to get it,...


    ....you mean you must be running a Genuine Copy of a Windows OS huh?
    Oops!...LOL!

    so I took a pass.

    Too bad, cause for Windows, it is the best available.
    >
    > -Al-
     
  16. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Frank wrote:
    > Al Smith wrote:
    >> Dave wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:r3e9n59j1iba7jhs3snna12oceamarrr39@4ax.com...
    >>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:33:10 +0100, "minimus" <minimus@live.co.uk>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> I use AVG and AVG has no automatic updating or whatsoever.
    >>>>
    >>>> AVG Free auto updates daily, and the paid version can be set to update
    >>>> itself even more frequently. I don't think that's taking any
    >>>> appreciable level of CPU, though, so keep looking.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> I used AVG for a while and agree with your assessment, but like another
    >>> poster pointed out, it is constantly creating a database of some sort.
    >>> This is only done in the background when system is idle; I'm at a loss
    >>> for the name of that feature though. You can start the creation
    >>> manually, let it create the db, then it should only do an update
    >>> incrementally, which I wouldn't think would take a lot of time. On
    >>> initial install there is a separate icon for this feature but you can
    >>> switch it to merge with the AVG icon and you never see the icon for the
    >>> db creator again.
    >>> I'm not positive this is what's going on but I would suggest to the op
    >>> to try shutting this feature off and see it that solves their problem.
    >>> Dave
    >>> PS Another option is MS Security Essentials, which is a free antivirus
    >>> and is rated as one of the highest, even higher than AVG. Does automatic
    >>> updates, auto-scan and warns you if you forget to do a scan for a while.
    >>> It's not a suite though so if you need those features it won't fit the
    >>> bill.

    >>
    >>
    >> I took a look at Security Essentials and decided against it. It phones
    >> home to Microsoft,...

    >
    > ...so?
    >
    > and you need to join the little Microsoft purity club
    >> in order to get it,...

    >
    > ...you mean you must be running a Genuine Copy of a Windows OS huh?


    Not only that, you need to prove it.

    > Oops!...LOL!
    >
    > so I took a pass.
    >
    > Too bad, cause for Windows, it is the best available.
    >>
    >> -Al-


    Windows is the only OS that needs an AV. I run one in my Ubuntu box only
    to protect Window users to whom I may send a file.

    --
    Alias
     
  17. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    Alias wrote:
    > Frank wrote:
    >> Al Smith wrote:
    >>> Dave wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:r3e9n59j1iba7jhs3snna12oceamarrr39@4ax.com...
    >>>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:33:10 +0100, "minimus" <minimus@live.co.uk>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> I use AVG and AVG has no automatic updating or whatsoever.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> AVG Free auto updates daily, and the paid version can be set to update
    >>>>> itself even more frequently. I don't think that's taking any
    >>>>> appreciable level of CPU, though, so keep looking.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I used AVG for a while and agree with your assessment, but like another
    >>>> poster pointed out, it is constantly creating a database of some sort.
    >>>> This is only done in the background when system is idle; I'm at a loss
    >>>> for the name of that feature though. You can start the creation
    >>>> manually, let it create the db, then it should only do an update
    >>>> incrementally, which I wouldn't think would take a lot of time. On
    >>>> initial install there is a separate icon for this feature but you can
    >>>> switch it to merge with the AVG icon and you never see the icon for the
    >>>> db creator again.
    >>>> I'm not positive this is what's going on but I would suggest to the op
    >>>> to try shutting this feature off and see it that solves their problem.
    >>>> Dave
    >>>> PS Another option is MS Security Essentials, which is a free antivirus
    >>>> and is rated as one of the highest, even higher than AVG. Does
    >>>> automatic
    >>>> updates, auto-scan and warns you if you forget to do a scan for a
    >>>> while.
    >>>> It's not a suite though so if you need those features it won't fit the
    >>>> bill.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I took a look at Security Essentials and decided against it. It
    >>> phones home to Microsoft,...

    >>
    >> ...so?
    >>
    >> and you need to join the little Microsoft purity club
    >>> in order to get it,...

    >>
    >> ...you mean you must be running a Genuine Copy of a Windows OS huh?

    >
    > Not only that, you need to prove it.


    Proof you don't use it, cause it automatically checks when you try and
    install WSE.
    >
    >> Oops!...LOL!
    >>
    >> so I took a pass.
    >>
    >> Too bad, cause for Windows, it is the best available.
    >>>
    >>> -Al-

    >
    > Windows is the only OS that needs an AV.


    ....Windows is what the worlds runs on, so it is the target to aim at.

    I run one in my Ubuntu box only
    > to protect Window users to whom I may send a file.


    You are that stupid aren't you.
    >
     
  18. Al Smith

    Al Smith Flightless Bird

    Frank wrote:

    >> I took a look at Security Essentials and decided against it. It phones
    >> home to Microsoft,...

    >
    > ...so?
    >
    > and you need to join the little Microsoft purity club
    >> in order to get it,...

    >
    > ...you mean you must be running a Genuine Copy of a Windows OS huh?
    > Oops!...LOL!
    >
    > so I took a pass.
    >
    > Too bad, cause for Windows, it is the best available.
    >>
    >> -Al-





    I run Avast antivirus, Ad-Aware for malware and adware, and the
    Comodo firewall. I'm behind a router. I don't feel particularly
    insecure. Microsoft is a bigger threat than most malware -- the
    recent security update that hosed so many computers is an example.

    -Al-
     
  19. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Frank wrote:
    > Alias wrote:
    >> Frank wrote:
    >>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>> Dave wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:r3e9n59j1iba7jhs3snna12oceamarrr39@4ax.com...
    >>>>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:33:10 +0100, "minimus" <minimus@live.co.uk>
    >>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I use AVG and AVG has no automatic updating or whatsoever.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> AVG Free auto updates daily, and the paid version can be set to
    >>>>>> update
    >>>>>> itself even more frequently. I don't think that's taking any
    >>>>>> appreciable level of CPU, though, so keep looking.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I used AVG for a while and agree with your assessment, but like
    >>>>> another
    >>>>> poster pointed out, it is constantly creating a database of some sort.
    >>>>> This is only done in the background when system is idle; I'm at a loss
    >>>>> for the name of that feature though. You can start the creation
    >>>>> manually, let it create the db, then it should only do an update
    >>>>> incrementally, which I wouldn't think would take a lot of time. On
    >>>>> initial install there is a separate icon for this feature but you can
    >>>>> switch it to merge with the AVG icon and you never see the icon for
    >>>>> the
    >>>>> db creator again.
    >>>>> I'm not positive this is what's going on but I would suggest to the op
    >>>>> to try shutting this feature off and see it that solves their problem.
    >>>>> Dave
    >>>>> PS Another option is MS Security Essentials, which is a free antivirus
    >>>>> and is rated as one of the highest, even higher than AVG. Does
    >>>>> automatic
    >>>>> updates, auto-scan and warns you if you forget to do a scan for a
    >>>>> while.
    >>>>> It's not a suite though so if you need those features it won't fit the
    >>>>> bill.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I took a look at Security Essentials and decided against it. It
    >>>> phones home to Microsoft,...
    >>>
    >>> ...so?
    >>>
    >>> and you need to join the little Microsoft purity club
    >>>> in order to get it,...
    >>>
    >>> ...you mean you must be running a Genuine Copy of a Windows OS huh?

    >>
    >> Not only that, you need to prove it.

    >
    > Proof you don't use it, cause it automatically checks when you try and
    > install WSE.


    No shit, same thing. I don't use it. On my Windows machines, I use
    Avast. I have installed it for others and I know it checks right at the
    beginning of the install.


    >>
    >>> Oops!...LOL!
    >>>
    >>> so I took a pass.
    >>>
    >>> Too bad, cause for Windows, it is the best available.
    >>>>
    >>>> -Al-

    >>
    >> Windows is the only OS that needs an AV.

    >
    > ...Windows is what the worlds runs on, so it is the target to aim at.


    Not the reason. Your ignorance is showing again.

    >
    > I run one in my Ubuntu box only
    >> to protect Window users to whom I may send a file.

    >
    > You are that stupid aren't you.


    What's stupid about that, pray tell? This should be good if you're man
    enough to really address it (you're not).

    --
    Alias
     
  20. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    Alias wrote:
    > Frank wrote:
    >> Alias wrote:
    >>> Frank wrote:
    >>>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>>> Dave wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:r3e9n59j1iba7jhs3snna12oceamarrr39@4ax.com...
    >>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:33:10 +0100, "minimus" <minimus@live.co.uk>
    >>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I use AVG and AVG has no automatic updating or whatsoever.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> AVG Free auto updates daily, and the paid version can be set to
    >>>>>>> update
    >>>>>>> itself even more frequently. I don't think that's taking any
    >>>>>>> appreciable level of CPU, though, so keep looking.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I used AVG for a while and agree with your assessment, but like
    >>>>>> another
    >>>>>> poster pointed out, it is constantly creating a database of some
    >>>>>> sort.
    >>>>>> This is only done in the background when system is idle; I'm at a
    >>>>>> loss
    >>>>>> for the name of that feature though. You can start the creation
    >>>>>> manually, let it create the db, then it should only do an update
    >>>>>> incrementally, which I wouldn't think would take a lot of time. On
    >>>>>> initial install there is a separate icon for this feature but you can
    >>>>>> switch it to merge with the AVG icon and you never see the icon
    >>>>>> for the
    >>>>>> db creator again.
    >>>>>> I'm not positive this is what's going on but I would suggest to
    >>>>>> the op
    >>>>>> to try shutting this feature off and see it that solves their
    >>>>>> problem.
    >>>>>> Dave
    >>>>>> PS Another option is MS Security Essentials, which is a free
    >>>>>> antivirus
    >>>>>> and is rated as one of the highest, even higher than AVG. Does
    >>>>>> automatic
    >>>>>> updates, auto-scan and warns you if you forget to do a scan for a
    >>>>>> while.
    >>>>>> It's not a suite though so if you need those features it won't fit
    >>>>>> the
    >>>>>> bill.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I took a look at Security Essentials and decided against it. It
    >>>>> phones home to Microsoft,...
    >>>>
    >>>> ...so?
    >>>>
    >>>> and you need to join the little Microsoft purity club
    >>>>> in order to get it,...
    >>>>
    >>>> ...you mean you must be running a Genuine Copy of a Windows OS huh?
    >>>
    >>> Not only that, you need to prove it.

    >>
    >> Proof you don't use it, cause it automatically checks when you try and
    >> install WSE.

    >
    > No shit, same thing. I don't use it. On my Windows machines, I use
    > Avast. I have installed it for others and I know it checks right at the
    > beginning of the install.
    >
    >
    >>>
    >>>> Oops!...LOL!
    >>>>
    >>>> so I took a pass.
    >>>>
    >>>> Too bad, cause for Windows, it is the best available.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> -Al-
    >>>
    >>> Windows is the only OS that needs an AV.

    >>
    >> ...Windows is what the worlds runs on, so it is the target to aim at.

    >
    > Not the reason.


    Yes, the only reason.

    Your ignorance is showing again.

    Projecting again cock sucker?
    >
    >>
    >> I run one in my Ubuntu box only
    >>> to protect Window users to whom I may send a file.

    >>
    >> You are that stupid aren't you.

    >
    > What's stupid about that, pray tell? This should be good if you're man
    > enough to really address it (you're not).


    The stupid part is running that toy POS os, up-yr-fucking-butt-too, dumb
    ass.
    Got it *SPORT*!
     

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