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BIOS/CMOS Setup

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by AAH, Jul 9, 2010.

  1. AAH

    AAH Flightless Bird

    OS: WindowsXP Pro Ver2002 SP2
    On an old computer the AMIBIOS Hiflex
    Setup Utility Version 1.23(1999 American
    Megatrennds) under AUTO
    showing the capacity of hd 74.5 MG
    as an 33.83 MG.
    Will there be a problem to divide this 74.5MG
    into TWO partitions C: and D: whereas the
    capacity of 74.5 under Auto is still 33.83MG.
    I thought under AUTO it should show the
    correct capacity of 74.5 MG?

    Any advice is appreciated?
     
  2. Randem

    Randem Flightless Bird

    See if there is a BIOS update for your model and apply that.

    BTW: What is a MG? Are you meaning MB or GB?
    --
    The Top Script Generator for Jordan Russell's Inno Setup -
    http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
    Free Utilities and Code - http://www.randem.com/freesoftutil.html
    "AAH" <aah@chakcomnet.net> wrote in message
    news:-OWs$Er$HLHA.6100@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >
    > OS: WindowsXP Pro Ver2002 SP2
    > On an old computer the AMIBIOS Hiflex
    > Setup Utility Version 1.23(1999 American
    > Megatrennds) under AUTO
    > showing the capacity of hd 74.5 MG
    > as an 33.83 MG.
    > Will there be a problem to divide this 74.5MG
    > into TWO partitions C: and D: whereas the
    > capacity of 74.5 under Auto is still 33.83MG.
    > I thought under AUTO it should show the
    > correct capacity of 74.5 MG?
    >
    > Any advice is appreciated?
    >
    >
     
  3. Pegasus [MVP]

    Pegasus [MVP] Flightless Bird

    "AAH" <aah@chakcomnet.net> wrote in message
    news:-OWs$Er$HLHA.6100@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >
    > OS: WindowsXP Pro Ver2002 SP2
    > On an old computer the AMIBIOS Hiflex
    > Setup Utility Version 1.23(1999 American
    > Megatrennds) under AUTO
    > showing the capacity of hd 74.5 MG
    > as an 33.83 MG.
    > Will there be a problem to divide this 74.5MG
    > into TWO partitions C: and D: whereas the
    > capacity of 74.5 under Auto is still 33.83MG.
    > I thought under AUTO it should show the
    > correct capacity of 74.5 MG?
    >
    > Any advice is appreciated?
    >


    I suspect you have your hard disk jumpers set so that the visible capacity
    is limited to 32 GBytes. And as Randem observed, there is no unit called
    "MG". You most likely mean GB (Gigabytes).
     
  4. Bill in Co

    Bill in Co Flightless Bird

    AAH wrote:
    > OS: WindowsXP Pro Ver2002 SP2
    > On an old computer the AMIBIOS Hiflex
    > Setup Utility Version 1.23(1999 American
    > Megatrennds) under AUTO
    > showing the capacity of hd 74.5 MG
    > as an 33.83 MG.
    > Will there be a problem to divide this 74.5MG
    > into TWO partitions C: and D: whereas the
    > capacity of 74.5 under Auto is still 33.83MG.
    > I thought under AUTO it should show the
    > correct capacity of 74.5 MG?
    >
    > Any advice is appreciated?


    I assume you mean GB (gigabyte) above.
    With a BIOS that old, I believe you are limited in the disk capacity for a
    single partition, if not the whole disk. You might be able to update your
    BIOS to allow for larger sizes, but updating the BIOS is a somewhat risky
    procedure.

    If you ever decide to split a HD into smaller partitions, without using a
    third party app (like Partition Magic, or Easeus Partition Manager), you may
    lose your existing data on that partition, so keep that in mind.
     
  5. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    AAH wrote:
    > OS: WindowsXP Pro Ver2002 SP2
    > On an old computer the AMIBIOS Hiflex
    > Setup Utility Version 1.23(1999 American
    > Megatrennds) under AUTO
    > showing the capacity of hd 74.5 MG
    > as an 33.83 MG.
    > Will there be a problem to divide this 74.5MG
    > into TWO partitions C: and D: whereas the
    > capacity of 74.5 under Auto is still 33.83MG.
    > I thought under AUTO it should show the
    > correct capacity of 74.5 MG?
    >
    > Any advice is appreciated?
    >
    >


    If you tell us the brand and model number of disk drive,
    we can tell you how to remove the "clip" 33GB jumper you've
    installed on the hard drive. It is preventing the
    full capacity of the disk from showing up.

    There is a second possibility. If your motherboard is
    old enough, it might not support large hard drives.

    http://rma.asus.de/support/FAQ/faq076_32gb_ide_hdd.htm

    http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/k6plus.htm

    "and has a fix for the 32GB IDE harddisk limit
    to support drives up to 128GB"

    I don't have any motherboards that old, and those links
    are just a few examples I've run into in the past.

    Paul
     
  6. HeyBub

    HeyBub Flightless Bird

    Randem wrote:
    > See if there is a BIOS update for your model and apply that.
    >
    > BTW: What is a MG? Are you meaning MB or GB?


    Milligrams
     
  7. AAH

    AAH Flightless Bird

    Randem
    Sorry it is GB




    "Randem" <newsgroups@randem.com> wrote in message
    news:eBq5uRAILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    See if there is a BIOS update for your model and apply that.

    BTW: What is a MG? Are you meaning MB or GB?
    --
    The Top Script Generator for Jordan Russell's Inno Setup -
    http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
    Free Utilities and Code - http://www.randem.com/freesoftutil.html
    "AAH" <aah@chakcomnet.net> wrote in message
    news:-OWs$Er$HLHA.6100@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >
    > OS: WindowsXP Pro Ver2002 SP2
    > On an old computer the AMIBIOS Hiflex
    > Setup Utility Version 1.23(1999 American
    > Megatrennds) under AUTO
    > showing the capacity of hd 74.5 MG
    > as an 33.83 MG.
    > Will there be a problem to divide this 74.5MG
    > into TWO partitions C: and D: whereas the
    > capacity of 74.5 under Auto is still 33.83MG.
    > I thought under AUTO it should show the
    > correct capacity of 74.5 MG?
    >
    > Any advice is appreciated?
    >
    >
     
  8. AAH

    AAH Flightless Bird

    Paul
    The disk is:-
    MAXTOR STM 380215A




    "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    news:i1andm$9m6$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    AAH wrote:
    > OS: WindowsXP Pro Ver2002 SP2
    > On an old computer the AMIBIOS Hiflex
    > Setup Utility Version 1.23(1999 American
    > Megatrennds) under AUTO
    > showing the capacity of hd 74.5 MG
    > as an 33.83 MG.
    > Will there be a problem to divide this 74.5MG
    > into TWO partitions C: and D: whereas the
    > capacity of 74.5 under Auto is still 33.83MG.
    > I thought under AUTO it should show the
    > correct capacity of 74.5 MG?
    >
    > Any advice is appreciated?
    >
    >


    If you tell us the brand and model number of disk drive,
    we can tell you how to remove the "clip" 33GB jumper you've
    installed on the hard drive. It is preventing the
    full capacity of the disk from showing up.

    There is a second possibility. If your motherboard is
    old enough, it might not support large hard drives.

    http://rma.asus.de/support/FAQ/faq076_32gb_ide_hdd.htm

    http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/k6plus.htm

    "and has a fix for the 32GB IDE harddisk limit
    to support drives up to 128GB"

    I don't have any motherboards that old, and those links
    are just a few examples I've run into in the past.

    Paul
     
  9. AAH

    AAH Flightless Bird

    Paul

    This computer was manufactured about
    9/10 years ago for Windows 98SE just
    before the WinMe appearance.
    The motherboard should be ok?


    "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    news:i1andm$9m6$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    AAH wrote:
    > OS: WindowsXP Pro Ver2002 SP2
    > On an old computer the AMIBIOS Hiflex
    > Setup Utility Version 1.23(1999 American
    > Megatrennds) under AUTO
    > showing the capacity of hd 74.5 MG
    > as an 33.83 MG.
    > Will there be a problem to divide this 74.5MG
    > into TWO partitions C: and D: whereas the
    > capacity of 74.5 under Auto is still 33.83MG.
    > I thought under AUTO it should show the
    > correct capacity of 74.5 MG?
    >
    > Any advice is appreciated?
    >
    >


    If you tell us the brand and model number of disk drive,
    we can tell you how to remove the "clip" 33GB jumper you've
    installed on the hard drive. It is preventing the
    full capacity of the disk from showing up.

    There is a second possibility. If your motherboard is
    old enough, it might not support large hard drives.

    http://rma.asus.de/support/FAQ/faq076_32gb_ide_hdd.htm

    http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/k6plus.htm

    "and has a fix for the 32GB IDE harddisk limit
    to support drives up to 128GB"

    I don't have any motherboards that old, and those links
    are just a few examples I've run into in the past.

    Paul
     
  10. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    AAH wrote:
    > Paul
    > The disk is:-
    > MAXTOR STM 380215A
    >


    PDF page 31 here, shows no jumper for "clipping" the capacity. Notice they're
    only using the leftmost two jumper positions. In some cases, you'd expect
    the third jumper position to be the "clip" jumper (i.e. pins 3 and 4).
    At least, make sure any jumpers you are using, are in the leftmost two positions.
    Jumper leftmost is master. No jumpers is slave. Jumper second from left
    is Cable Select. Inserting a second jumper, on pins 3 and 4, in addition
    to any other jumpers, might clip the capacity to 33GB, but the manual
    does not confirm that function in this case.

    http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/disc/manuals/maxtor/100435213b.pdf

    As for your motherboard, I have a motherboard from roughly the same
    year, and it has a 128GB limit. And I only got the max value that
    high, after a BIOS update. The problem could be related to the
    BIOS and the era of the motherboard. I thought the motherboard might
    not start properly, if a too-big drive was connected ? I don't know
    the answer to that, as to what symptoms to expect if the motherboard
    doesn't support big drives.

    Paul

    >
    >
    > "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    > news:i1andm$9m6$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > AAH wrote:
    >> OS: WindowsXP Pro Ver2002 SP2
    >> On an old computer the AMIBIOS Hiflex
    >> Setup Utility Version 1.23(1999 American
    >> Megatrennds) under AUTO
    >> showing the capacity of hd 74.5 MG
    >> as an 33.83 MG.
    >> Will there be a problem to divide this 74.5MG
    >> into TWO partitions C: and D: whereas the
    >> capacity of 74.5 under Auto is still 33.83MG.
    >> I thought under AUTO it should show the
    >> correct capacity of 74.5 MG?
    >>
    >> Any advice is appreciated?
    >>
    >>

    >
    > If you tell us the brand and model number of disk drive,
    > we can tell you how to remove the "clip" 33GB jumper you've
    > installed on the hard drive. It is preventing the
    > full capacity of the disk from showing up.
    >
    > There is a second possibility. If your motherboard is
    > old enough, it might not support large hard drives.
    >
    > http://rma.asus.de/support/FAQ/faq076_32gb_ide_hdd.htm
    >
    > http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/k6plus.htm
    >
    > "and has a fix for the 32GB IDE harddisk limit
    > to support drives up to 128GB"
    >
    > I don't have any motherboards that old, and those links
    > are just a few examples I've run into in the past.
    >
    > Paul
    >
    >
     
  11. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    Paul wrote:
    > AAH wrote:
    >> Paul
    >> The disk is:-
    >> MAXTOR STM 380215A
    >>

    >


    Another way to get "big disk support", is to plug in a PCI IDE
    card. The card must support a high enough version of the
    ATA/ATAPI standard, in order to support large disks (like >128G8).
    Cards of that type, will usually have a BIOS chip on it as well,
    and the BIOS chip provides Extended INT 0x13 boot support.
    The exception to that, is some Promise controller cards,
    where the BIOS is hidden inside the main chip. If you have
    a Promise IDE card of some sort, try connecting the drive
    to that, then see what capacity is reported. You may need
    a driver for the Promise IDE card, to finish the job.

    It's hard to find good cards now, for this purpose. This
    one uses an ITE 8212F chip, and has room for two ribbon
    cables on the connectors.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158081

    And this card uses a VT 6421 family chip. My previous motherboard
    used similar technology and seemed to work OK. If using the
    SATA ports on this card, you'd insert the "Force 150" jumper
    on the back of the hard drive, as the ports only run 150MB/sec.
    There is one ribbon cable connector, and that is what you'd want
    to use for your current problem.

    I have Promise Ultra133 TX2 cards here for this purpose, but
    they are no longer for sale new.

    So that is another way to fix it, if this is a motherboard + BIOS
    problem.

    Paul
     
  12. AAH

    AAH Flightless Bird

    Paul
    Thanks for your clarifications.
    I forgot to mention it that as the BIOS
    shows the capacity as 33.825 (it does not
    say GB or M8) but the explorer and shell utilites indicate the correct
    capacity
    74.5GB of the disk.
    The property tab of C: is also 74.5GB.

    Does this mean that any space in access
    of 33.825GB is Unusable?
    If the disk is fully usuable in its present
    situation then leave it as is the moment?


    "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    news:i1foqm$t6r$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    Paul wrote:
    > AAH wrote:
    >> Paul
    >> The disk is:-
    >> MAXTOR STM 380215A
    >>

    >


    Another way to get "big disk support", is to plug in a PCI IDE
    card. The card must support a high enough version of the
    ATA/ATAPI standard, in order to support large disks (like >128G8).
    Cards of that type, will usually have a BIOS chip on it as well,
    and the BIOS chip provides Extended INT 0x13 boot support.
    The exception to that, is some Promise controller cards,
    where the BIOS is hidden inside the main chip. If you have
    a Promise IDE card of some sort, try connecting the drive
    to that, then see what capacity is reported. You may need
    a driver for the Promise IDE card, to finish the job.

    It's hard to find good cards now, for this purpose. This
    one uses an ITE 8212F chip, and has room for two ribbon
    cables on the connectors.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158081

    And this card uses a VT 6421 family chip. My previous motherboard
    used similar technology and seemed to work OK. If using the
    SATA ports on this card, you'd insert the "Force 150" jumper
    on the back of the hard drive, as the ports only run 150MB/sec.
    There is one ribbon cable connector, and that is what you'd want
    to use for your current problem.

    I have Promise Ultra133 TX2 cards here for this purpose, but
    they are no longer for sale new.

    So that is another way to fix it, if this is a motherboard + BIOS
    problem.

    Paul
     
  13. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    AAH wrote:
    > Paul
    > Thanks for your clarifications.
    > I forgot to mention it that as the BIOS
    > shows the capacity as 33.825 (it does not
    > say GB or M8) but the explorer and shell utilites indicate the correct
    > capacity
    > 74.5GB of the disk.
    > The property tab of C: is also 74.5GB.
    >
    > Does this mean that any space in access
    > of 33.825GB is Unusable?
    > If the disk is fully usuable in its present
    > situation then leave it as is the moment?


    I don't know the answer to that. It might mean, if
    this is your boot disk, and the boot partition is
    positioned above the 33GB mark, it might not work.
    That is the only concern that comes to mind.

    I thought on some other motherboards, when they didn't
    support >33GB, the motherboard could not complete POST
    and boot. Since your system is working, and Windows
    reports the correct amount, that sounds pretty good to me.
    The only concern, would be if you placed a partition
    that boots, above 33GB.

    Paul

    >
    >
    > "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    > news:i1foqm$t6r$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > Paul wrote:
    >> AAH wrote:
    >>> Paul
    >>> The disk is:-
    >>> MAXTOR STM 380215A
    >>>

    >
    > Another way to get "big disk support", is to plug in a PCI IDE
    > card. The card must support a high enough version of the
    > ATA/ATAPI standard, in order to support large disks (like >128G8).
    > Cards of that type, will usually have a BIOS chip on it as well,
    > and the BIOS chip provides Extended INT 0x13 boot support.
    > The exception to that, is some Promise controller cards,
    > where the BIOS is hidden inside the main chip. If you have
    > a Promise IDE card of some sort, try connecting the drive
    > to that, then see what capacity is reported. You may need
    > a driver for the Promise IDE card, to finish the job.
    >
    > It's hard to find good cards now, for this purpose. This
    > one uses an ITE 8212F chip, and has room for two ribbon
    > cables on the connectors.
    >
    > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158081
    >
    > And this card uses a VT 6421 family chip. My previous motherboard
    > used similar technology and seemed to work OK. If using the
    > SATA ports on this card, you'd insert the "Force 150" jumper
    > on the back of the hard drive, as the ports only run 150MB/sec.
    > There is one ribbon cable connector, and that is what you'd want
    > to use for your current problem.
    >
    > I have Promise Ultra133 TX2 cards here for this purpose, but
    > they are no longer for sale new.
    >
    > So that is another way to fix it, if this is a motherboard + BIOS
    > problem.
    >
    > Paul
    >
    >
     
  14. AAH

    AAH Flightless Bird

    Paul
    Thank you very much for your comments.
    The computer is at the momennt with my
    friend who is checking it.
    He thinks that 33.825 is not a straight
    GB or MB figure but 74.5GB devided
    by clusters/cycles or something like that
    of which I am not familiar.

    The WinXP boots ok. No problem with
    or during post. It is all C: boot partition.

    I need to partition the disk into C: 20GB
    and the rest D: for storage. I do not want
    to take risk to loose my stuff.

    Once again thank you very much for your
    very valuable comments and clarifications.

    "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    news:i1g160$k8q$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    AAH wrote:
    > Paul
    > Thanks for your clarifications.
    > I forgot to mention it that as the BIOS
    > shows the capacity as 33.825 (it does not
    > say GB or M8) but the explorer and shell utilites indicate the correct
    > capacity
    > 74.5GB of the disk.
    > The property tab of C: is also 74.5GB.
    >
    > Does this mean that any space in access
    > of 33.825GB is Unusable?
    > If the disk is fully usuable in its present
    > situation then leave it as is the moment?


    I don't know the answer to that. It might mean, if
    this is your boot disk, and the boot partition is
    positioned above the 33GB mark, it might not work.
    That is the only concern that comes to mind.

    I thought on some other motherboards, when they didn't
    support >33GB, the motherboard could not complete POST
    and boot. Since your system is working, and Windows
    reports the correct amount, that sounds pretty good to me.
    The only concern, would be if you placed a partition
    that boots, above 33GB.

    Paul

    >
    >
    > "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    > news:i1foqm$t6r$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > Paul wrote:
    >> AAH wrote:
    >>> Paul
    >>> The disk is:-
    >>> MAXTOR STM 380215A
    >>>

    >
    > Another way to get "big disk support", is to plug in a PCI IDE
    > card. The card must support a high enough version of the
    > ATA/ATAPI standard, in order to support large disks (like >128G8).
    > Cards of that type, will usually have a BIOS chip on it as well,
    > and the BIOS chip provides Extended INT 0x13 boot support.
    > The exception to that, is some Promise controller cards,
    > where the BIOS is hidden inside the main chip. If you have
    > a Promise IDE card of some sort, try connecting the drive
    > to that, then see what capacity is reported. You may need
    > a driver for the Promise IDE card, to finish the job.
    >
    > It's hard to find good cards now, for this purpose. This
    > one uses an ITE 8212F chip, and has room for two ribbon
    > cables on the connectors.
    >
    > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158081
    >
    > And this card uses a VT 6421 family chip. My previous motherboard
    > used similar technology and seemed to work OK. If using the
    > SATA ports on this card, you'd insert the "Force 150" jumper
    > on the back of the hard drive, as the ports only run 150MB/sec.
    > There is one ribbon cable connector, and that is what you'd want
    > to use for your current problem.
    >
    > I have Promise Ultra133 TX2 cards here for this purpose, but
    > they are no longer for sale new.
    >
    > So that is another way to fix it, if this is a motherboard + BIOS
    > problem.
    >
    > Paul
    >
    >
     
  15. s-sandra@btconnect.com

    s-sandra@btconnect.com Flightless Bird

    On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:40:13 -0600, just as I was about to take a
    herb, "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> disturbed my
    reverie and wrote:

    >but updating the BIOS is a somewhat risky
    >procedure.


    It is not risky. It is just that serious things can happen if it fucks
    up which it RARELY does.
     

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