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Backup program that doesn't change the file structure

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Gary Gary, Mar 1, 2010.

  1. Gary Gary

    Gary Gary Flightless Bird

    Not sure if anyone or myself asked this before but I'm looking for a
    backup program that will copy and update modified files to another
    location without putting them in some proprietary file format. ntbackup
    from XP makes some file called .bkf and other programs seem to create
    their own type of files. If I have 300 files in 22 folders that I'm
    backing up from drive C: I want to see 300 files in 22 folders in the
    backup location after its done. Is this even possible? Basically a
    mirror of the existing data.
     
  2. Pegasus [MVP]

    Pegasus [MVP] Flightless Bird

    "Gary Gary" <blah@blah.blah> wrote in message
    news:eek:p.u8wsyn0ku4oxh7@----------.wp.shawcable.net...
    > Not sure if anyone or myself asked this before but I'm looking for a
    > backup program that will copy and update modified files to another
    > location without putting them in some proprietary file format. ntbackup
    > from XP makes some file called .bkf and other programs seem to create
    > their own type of files. If I have 300 files in 22 folders that I'm
    > backing up from drive C: I want to see 300 files in 22 folders in the
    > backup location after its done. Is this even possible? Basically a
    > mirror of the existing data.


    You could use xcopy.exe or robocopy.exe.
     
  3. Terry R.

    Terry R. Flightless Bird

    On 3/1/2010 2:05 PM On a whim, Gary Gary pounded out on the keyboard

    > Not sure if anyone or myself asked this before but I'm looking for a
    > backup program that will copy and update modified files to another
    > location without putting them in some proprietary file format. ntbackup
    > from XP makes some file called .bkf and other programs seem to create
    > their own type of files. If I have 300 files in 22 folders that I'm
    > backing up from drive C: I want to see 300 files in 22 folders in the
    > backup location after its done. Is this even possible? Basically a
    > mirror of the existing data.


    Hi Gary,

    Here's one from a Google search:
    http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm

    There are others....


    Terry R.
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  4. Anna

    Anna Flightless Bird

    "Gary Gary" <blah@blah.blah> wrote in message
    news:eek:p.u8wsyn0ku4oxh7@----------.wp.shawcable.net...
    > Not sure if anyone or myself asked this before but I'm looking for a
    > backup program that will copy and update modified files to another
    > location without putting them in some proprietary file format. ntbackup
    > from XP makes some file called .bkf and other programs seem to create
    > their own type of files. If I have 300 files in 22 folders that I'm
    > backing up from drive C: I want to see 300 files in 22 folders in the
    > backup location after its done. Is this even possible? Basically a
    > mirror of the existing data.



    Gary...
    Have you considered a disk-cloning program? For all practical purposes the
    clone would be a "mirror" of your HDD (or a specific partition if you were
    only interested in a partition-to-partition copy). Of course you might
    consider a disk-cloning program overkill if all you were interested in was
    backing up personal data and not particularly interested in a comprehensive
    backup program that would back up the *entire* contents of your "source"
    HDD, including the OS, all programs & applications, all personal data - in
    short, *everything* that was on your HDD.
    Anna
     
  5. Bob CP

    Bob CP Flightless Bird

    On 3/1/2010 5:27 PM, Pegasus [MVP] wrote:
    >
    >
    > "Gary Gary" <blah@blah.blah> wrote in message
    > news:eek:p.u8wsyn0ku4oxh7@----------.wp.shawcable.net...
    >> Not sure if anyone or myself asked this before but I'm looking for a
    >> backup program that will copy and update modified files to another
    >> location without putting them in some proprietary file format.
    >> ntbackup from XP makes some file called .bkf and other programs seem
    >> to create their own type of files. If I have 300 files in 22 folders
    >> that I'm backing up from drive C: I want to see 300 files in 22
    >> folders in the backup location after its done. Is this even possible?
    >> Basically a mirror of the existing data.

    >
    > You could use xcopy.exe or robocopy.exe.

    or xxcopy. (Free for personal use)
     
  6. Dave

    Dave Flightless Bird

    I also use Combien - it's very good

    Dave


    "Terry R." <F1Com@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote in message
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    > On 3/1/2010 2:05 PM On a whim, Gary Gary pounded out on the keyboard
    >
    >> Not sure if anyone or myself asked this before but I'm looking for a
    >> backup program that will copy and update modified files to another
    >> location without putting them in some proprietary file format. ntbackup
    >> from XP makes some file called .bkf and other programs seem to create
    >> their own type of files. If I have 300 files in 22 folders that I'm
    >> backing up from drive C: I want to see 300 files in 22 folders in the
    >> backup location after its done. Is this even possible? Basically a
    >> mirror of the existing data.

    >
    > Hi Gary,
    >
    > Here's one from a Google search:
    > http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm
    >
    > There are others....
    >
    >
    > Terry R.
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    > Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
    > Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
     
  7. Twayne

    Twayne Flightless Bird

    In news:eek:p.u8wsyn0ku4oxh7@----------.wp.shawcable.net,
    Gary Gary <blah@blah.blah> typed:
    > Not sure if anyone or myself asked this before but I'm looking for a
    > backup program that will copy and update modified files to another
    > location without putting them in some proprietary file format. ntbackup
    > from XP makes some file called .bkf and other programs seem
    > to create their own type of files. If I have 300 files in 22 folders
    > that I'm backing up from drive C: I want to see 300 files in 22
    > folders in the backup location after its done. Is this even
    > possible? Basically a mirror of the existing data.


    Unless I misunderstand you:
    Yes, it's not only possible but most imaging and even XP's ntbackup.exe can
    show you that; Just open the Restore features and look thru the folder
    structure and files and go to the one you want. They work by using
    Explorer's API so most of the features are even still available.
    I use both NOorton Ghost and XP's backup program and can find a single
    file to recover easily in either of them. Ntbackup was particularly useful
    for System State backups and to see what exact files are backed up when you
    run a System State backup. It's sort of a super-Restore Point.

    If you want to see exactly the same structure in your backup location, then
    use simple copy or xcopy commands in a batch file. Xcopy is better because
    it can tell if a file has changed since the last backup was done and not
    bother to copy it because it's already backed up.

    Note however that you can NOT back up your Operating System with xcopy or
    any other copy program because it requires VSS or Shadow Copy Services to be
    able to copy files that are "in use". You'll just get error messages for any
    files that are in use. XP's backup and most any true backup or imaging
    program however CAN back up the OS because it calls the VSS services.

    This might be too advanced from the sound of your post, but you could also
    get the same thing from a RAID setup if you have the drive to hold
    everything. Both disks will be identical at any point in time.

    May I ask what your aversion is to using the program that backs up the files
    to look at the files that were backed up? It's rather unusual, IMO.

    Twayne


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    Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered
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  8. smlunatick

    smlunatick Flightless Bird

    On Mar 1, 10:05 pm, "Gary Gary" <b...@blah.blah> wrote:
    > Not sure if anyone or myself asked this before but I'm looking for a  
    > backup program that will copy and update modified files to another  
    > location without putting them in some proprietary file format.  ntbackup  
    >  from XP makes some file called .bkf and other programs seem to create  
    > their own type of files.  If I have 300 files in 22 folders that I'm  
    > backing up from drive C: I want to see 300 files in 22 folders in the  
    > backup location after its done.  Is this even possible?  Basically a  
    > mirror of the existing data.


    One easy program is Comodo Backup, when you use the "Simple Copy" mode.
     
  9. Billns

    Billns Flightless Bird

    On 3/1/2010 2:05 PM, Gary Gary wrote:
    > Not sure if anyone or myself asked this before but I'm looking for a
    > backup program that will copy and update modified files to another
    > location without putting them in some proprietary file format. ntbackup
    > from XP makes some file called .bkf and other programs seem to create
    > their own type of files. If I have 300 files in 22 folders that I'm
    > backing up from drive C: I want to see 300 files in 22 folders in the
    > backup location after its done. Is this even possible? Basically a
    > mirror of the existing data.


    xcopy *.* [destination] /e
    should do what you want, where [destination] is your backup drive.

    Type xcopy /? at a command prompt for more details than you really need.

    Bill
     
  10. Gary Gary

    Gary Gary Flightless Bird

    >> Not sure if anyone or myself asked this before but I'm looking for a
    >> backup program that will copy and update modified files to another
    >> location without putting them in some proprietary file format. ntbackup
    >> from XP makes some file called .bkf and other programs seem
    >> to create their own type of files. If I have 300 files in 22 folders
    >> that I'm backing up from drive C: I want to see 300 files in 22
    >> folders in the backup location after its done. Is this even
    >> possible? Basically a mirror of the existing data.

    >
    > Unless I misunderstand you:
    > Yes, it's not only possible but most imaging and even XP's ntbackup.exe
    > can show you that; Just open the Restore features


    Don't I have to Restore it first? And if its say a 20gb file, won't that
    take a rather long time?

    > and look thru the folder structure and files and go to the one you want.
    > They work by using Explorer's API so most of the features are even still
    > available.
    > I use both NOorton Ghost and XP's backup program and can find a
    > single file to recover easily in either of them. Ntbackup was
    > particularly useful for System State backups and to see what exact files
    > are backed up when you run a System State backup. It's sort of a
    > super-Restore Point.
    >
    > If you want to see exactly the same structure in your backup location,
    > then use simple copy or xcopy commands in a batch file. Xcopy is better
    > because it can tell if a file has changed since the last backup was done
    > and not bother to copy it because it's already backed up.


    I realized just now that perhaps I'm looking for a Sync program, rather
    than a backup. I want to be able to work on duplicate files in 2 locations
    and have the mirror imaged all the time when they are connected on the
    same machine or network.

    > This might be too advanced from the sound of your post, but you could
    > also get the same thing from a RAID setup if you have the drive to hold
    > everything. Both disks will be identical at any point in time.


    I'll be using Raid in the future but it will be striped for performance. I
    don't need to backup/sync all the time - just once a day should suffice.

    > May I ask what your aversion is to using the program that backs up the
    > files to look at the files that were backed up? It's rather unusual,
    > IMO.


    I guess....:) But I need to be able to work on both without having to
    restore files each time. I should have specified a syncing program. :)
     

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