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Ophelia

Flightless Bird
"SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
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> The Ace had the 2 drives, but if you wanted to start in the OS instead of
> BASIC, one drive was occupied with the OS disk, so in essence, only one
> drive was usable. Seemed like a lot of program could be written to 360K in
> those days ;-)


I had a proper putee like that:) Two discdrives incorporated in the cpu box
and yes, one of them had to run the os disc!

I am trying to remember who made them.. Alan Sugar springs to mind but I
might be wrong... I often am:)
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Gordon

Flightless Bird
"Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
> news:tEY5n.3162$CM7.3033@newsfe04.iad...
>> The Ace had the 2 drives, but if you wanted to start in the OS instead of
>> BASIC, one drive was occupied with the OS disk, so in essence, only one
>> drive was usable. Seemed like a lot of program could be written to 360K
>> in those days ;-)

>
> I had a proper putee like that:) Two discdrives incorporated in the cpu
> box and yes, one of them had to run the os disc!
>
> I am trying to remember who made them.. Alan Sugar springs to mind but I
> might be wrong... I often am:)


The original IBM AT/XT Personal Computer had only two floppy drives...and
640k memory....
 
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Allen

Flightless Bird
On 1/21/2010 8:39 AM, Gordon wrote:
>
> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:7rr4pkFhtvU2@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
>> news:tEY5n.3162$CM7.3033@newsfe04.iad...
>>> The Ace had the 2 drives, but if you wanted to start in the OS
>>> instead of BASIC, one drive was occupied with the OS disk, so in
>>> essence, only one drive was usable. Seemed like a lot of program
>>> could be written to 360K in those days ;-)

>>
>> I had a proper putee like that:) Two discdrives incorporated in the
>> cpu box and yes, one of them had to run the os disc!
>>
>> I am trying to remember who made them.. Alan Sugar springs to mind but
>> I might be wrong... I often am:)

>
> The original IBM AT/XT Personal Computer had only two floppy
> drives...and 640k memory....

The IBM XT had a 10 mb hard drive; the AT had a 20 mb--both, as I
recall, also had one floppy. The IBM PC had only two floppies. A while
back I gave a tube of memory chips for the PC and XT to a Goodwill
computer museum. I guess I threw away the pin straightener that was a
must for working with memory chips back in those days.
Allen
 
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SC Tom

Flightless Bird
Allen wrote:
> On 1/21/2010 8:39 AM, Gordon wrote:
>>
>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
>> news:7rr4pkFhtvU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
>>> news:tEY5n.3162$CM7.3033@newsfe04.iad...
>>>> The Ace had the 2 drives, but if you wanted to start in the OS
>>>> instead of BASIC, one drive was occupied with the OS disk, so in
>>>> essence, only one drive was usable. Seemed like a lot of program
>>>> could be written to 360K in those days ;-)
>>>
>>> I had a proper putee like that:) Two discdrives incorporated in the
>>> cpu box and yes, one of them had to run the os disc!
>>>
>>> I am trying to remember who made them.. Alan Sugar springs to mind
>>> but I might be wrong... I often am:)

>>
>> The original IBM AT/XT Personal Computer had only two floppy
>> drives...and 640k memory....

> The IBM XT had a 10 mb hard drive; the AT had a 20 mb--both, as I
> recall, also had one floppy. The IBM PC had only two floppies. A while
> back I gave a tube of memory chips for the PC and XT to a Goodwill
> computer museum. I guess I threw away the pin straightener that was a
> must for working with memory chips back in those days.
> Allen


Jeweller's needlenose pliers workeed very well for straightening pins ;-) I
had to do that on numerous upgrades back then. I also took a small
screwdriver, ground the tip to almost flat, and bent about 3/8" of it to 45
degrees. Made a great chip lifter!
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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"bdog" <bd@bd.net> wrote in message
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> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in
> news:7ronieFr3nU1@mid.individual.net:
>> "bdog" <bd@bd.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D064DBF7DD56bdbdnet@216.196.97.130...
>>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in
>>> news:7rnu9bF8p2U3@mid.individual.net:
>>>> "Tattoo Vampire" <sitting@this.computer> wrote in message
>>>> news:fzx30vl1u0lo.dlg@sitting.at.this.computer...
>>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> heh you still have all those??? My first putee was a Radio Shack
>>>>>> thingie and I had to type in my proggies and then save them to an
>>>>>> audio tape:))
>>>>>
>>>>> The Tandy Color Computer... my first one, too.
>>>>
>>>> Eeeeeeeeeh lad... they were t'days... :)
>>>
>>> Me too, with a full 8K of memory.

>>
>> Aye, and I dunno about you, but I was the bees knees <g>
>>

> I remember having to put the tape recorder volume control between 5 and 6
> to download Star Trek. I actually enjoyed that game at the time. By
> todays standards it was a bit primative, but none-the-less, it got me
> started with computers. I've never really seen a bee's knees, but that
> sounds like an apt description.


Heh....1971, attempted to play a tic-tac-toe game on PLATO, but it crashed.
The operators bragged that Trek would be in their hands in two weeks. I
still like that game.
 
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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
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> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:hj7ijn$su9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
>> news:7rmcpnFlliU2@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>> news:hj4st6$9vc$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:brc2l5dm3an669tlhpq3mcd3gn0iqbbtgg@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:24:41 +0000 (UTC), Alexis Machine
>>>>> <no@email.you.moron> wrote:
>>>>>>On 12 Jan 2010, Tom Lake wrote:
>>>>>>> You're probably being facetious but there really are people
>>>>>>> who log into their ISP's shell account and surf the Web
>>>>>>> from a 64!
>>>>>>I know. :) I read something about that a few years ago. I wish I had
>>>>>>kept my last C64 just to play with. I sold it, along with 2 external
>>>>>>disk drives
>>>>>>and a box of software, for $150 on eBay.
>>>>> I got off a little better than that. I got $750 for a C64, a 1702
>>>>> monitor, one 1541 and one 1581 disk drive, and a big box of 5.25"
>>>>> floppies that I had punched to make them double sided. :)
>>>> Ah, a fan of unreliable diskettes! heheheheh Single-sided diskettes
>>>> are the ones that failed muster on one side....mostly, anyway.
>>>>
>>>> I'll let go of my old Commodore gear, when they pry my stiff, cold
>>>> fingers
>>>> from it. While putting the drawers back in my computer desk, I found
>>>> my
>>>> A64 device! I'd totally forgotten that I had it. Well, I'd planned to
>>>> keep one of my Amigas set up, as soon as I can figure out where to do
>>>> so...and if I recall correctly, it does an excellent job of emulating
>>>> the C64....and several of my favorite games are, as far as I am aware,
>>>> C64
>>>> only.
>>>
>>> heh you still have all those??? My first putee was a Radio Shack
>>> thingie and I had to type in my proggies and then save them to an audio
>>> tape:))

>>
>> I rarely let any of my gear leave me...I'm at least a third generation
>> packrat.
>>
>> From the very first computer I bought, I've had disk drives. I guess I'm
>> just spoiled. On the other hand, my Sol, and my Exidy Sorcerer both use
>> cassette. I've never actually gotten around to setting either of them
>> up, but I fully intend to play with them, someday.

>
> Enjoy:) My packrat days are well and truly over:)) I am decluttered,
> tidy, and wondering were all me stuffie 'as gorn:)


To be honest, I'm hoping the same for myself. We just bought our first
house at the beginning of December, and finally having a place big enough
for us AND our stuff, we plan to get rid of anything we don't need/want, and
organize, organize, organize. We finally have a large library, a large den
for me, and a large sewing room for my wife....and 3/4 basement, and a
shed/garage (garage doors were replaced with smaller doors) with an arched
roof. We'll build a quonset hut garage, sitting just in front of the shed.

If we can't leave packratting behind, it'd suck hard.

>>> O, willie waving <g> (Well, if I had one.. if you see what I mean)

>>
>> In the breeze, as it were?
>>
>> Let the wind blow high and the wind blow low
>> Through the streets in my kilt I go
>> All the lassies cry, "Hello!
>> Donald, where's your trousers?"

>
> LOLOL 'Troosers' hecktewally:))


Many of my friends are deeply into the Irish music scene, but me, I have a
soft spot for Scottish music.
 
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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
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> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
> news:wcO5n.3095$Np1.2983@newsfe19.iad...
>> My first home PC was a TI-99/4A with RF modulator so I could use my TV as
>> a monitor. It had 16k of video RAM and a 256 byte "scratchpad" for CPU
>> instructions. It also saved programs to audio tape, unless you had the
>> spare $1400 or $1500 for the Peripheral Expansion Box. It was probably
>> the easiest PC I ever used to create simple graphics games.

>
> UHOH! We 'ave a posh one 'ere:)) Cor that sounds really really
> swish:))))
> After the audio tapes, I had two huge floppy disk drives. That is when *I*
> got posh:)


8", or 5.25"? For some reason or other, I have two dual 8" drives....but
have never attached them to anything. Someone sent my a few blank disks,
but I really could use the operating disks for my Xerox 860 word
processor.....if only I'd known that I'd end up owning one - I could've
copied them while I was using them aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt.
 
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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:7rr4pkFhtvU2@mid.individual.net...
>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
>> news:tEY5n.3162$CM7.3033@newsfe04.iad...
>>> The Ace had the 2 drives, but if you wanted to start in the OS instead
>>> of BASIC, one drive was occupied with the OS disk, so in essence, only
>>> one drive was usable. Seemed like a lot of program could be written to
>>> 360K in those days ;-)

>>
>> I had a proper putee like that:) Two discdrives incorporated in the cpu
>> box and yes, one of them had to run the os disc!
>>
>> I am trying to remember who made them.. Alan Sugar springs to mind but I
>> might be wrong... I often am:)

>
> The original IBM AT/XT Personal Computer had only two floppy drives...and
> 640k memory....


Bull. You could at least have googled it, you know. Were you even BORN
yet, back then?

The original IBM PC (IBM 5150) had an Intel 8088 4.77 MHz processor, and
came out in 1981. It did have two floppy drives, but 640k? Hell no. It
was available with 16k - 256k. The XT (model IBM 5160) had an Intel 8088,
4.77 processor, and came out in 1983, and didn't have but 128, or 256k RAM
at first, but later got 640k. The PC/AT (Advanced Technology, heh) (IBM
5170) didn't come out until 1984, ran on an Intel 80286 @ 6/8 MHz, and had
between 256k, and 16 MB of RAM.
 
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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"Allen" <allent@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On 1/21/2010 8:39 AM, Gordon wrote:
>>
>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
>> news:7rr4pkFhtvU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
>>> news:tEY5n.3162$CM7.3033@newsfe04.iad...
>>>> The Ace had the 2 drives, but if you wanted to start in the OS
>>>> instead of BASIC, one drive was occupied with the OS disk, so in
>>>> essence, only one drive was usable. Seemed like a lot of program
>>>> could be written to 360K in those days ;-)
>>>
>>> I had a proper putee like that:) Two discdrives incorporated in the
>>> cpu box and yes, one of them had to run the os disc!
>>>
>>> I am trying to remember who made them.. Alan Sugar springs to mind but
>>> I might be wrong... I often am:)

>>
>> The original IBM AT/XT Personal Computer had only two floppy
>> drives...and 640k memory....

> The IBM XT had a 10 mb hard drive; the AT had a 20 mb--both, as I recall,
> also had one floppy. The IBM PC had only two floppies. A while back I gave
> a tube of memory chips for the PC and XT to a Goodwill computer museum. I
> guess I threw away the pin straightener that was a must for working with
> memory chips back in those days.


While moving, earlier this week, I discovered that I still have about half a
tube of RAM, that I'd purchased for a Compaq II. Anyone have a use for
them?
 
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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
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> Roy Smith wrote:
>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
>> news:jrK5n.1495$PI7.75@newsfe17.iad...
>>> No Spam used his keyboard to write :
>>>> In article <hj7itp$vui$1@news.eternal-september.org> "Lord Vetinari"
>>>> <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "No Spam" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>>>>> news:3u9dl5hvno748252oa5b5bsimen9jk0ibv@4ax.com...
>>>>>> In article <hj4st6$9vc$1@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>>>> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I'd planned to keep one
>>>>>>> of my Amigas set up, as soon as I can figure out where to do so
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahh, the good old days of the Amiga.
>>>>>> So much fun, so nice, so fast, beautiful OS and software. :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh well, you can always get UAE, or Amiga Forever. Tons of
>>>>> software available for a download.
>>>>
>>>> I have Amiga Forever, but stopped using it.
>>>> I still miss my real Amiga 2000 and the Video Toaster/ Flyer setup
>>>> that I had.
>>>
>>> Was that from the AfterDark screensaver program? That was a fun one
>>> to play with.

>>
>> No that was a hardware/software package that allowed one to edit
>> video with the Amiga. I used my Amiga to run a BBS using DLG Pro and
>> carried FidoNet echos.

>
> Wow, BBS. Screech. . .squawk. . .oh, crap, disconnected! Ah, those were
> the days. I can remember dialing into the U.S Robotics BBS for modem
> upgrades. Good times...good times!


My wife could never get it in her head, to check to see if I was online,
before picking up the phone. Drove me insane. Whoops! I was crazy long
before I ever met her.....
 
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relic

Flightless Bird
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7rr784FvjqU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
>> news:7rr4pkFhtvU2@mid.individual.net...
>>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
>>> news:tEY5n.3162$CM7.3033@newsfe04.iad...
>>>> The Ace had the 2 drives, but if you wanted to start in the OS instead
>>>> of BASIC, one drive was occupied with the OS disk, so in essence, only
>>>> one drive was usable. Seemed like a lot of program could be written to
>>>> 360K in those days ;-)
>>>
>>> I had a proper putee like that:) Two discdrives incorporated in the cpu
>>> box and yes, one of them had to run the os disc!
>>>
>>> I am trying to remember who made them.. Alan Sugar springs to mind but I
>>> might be wrong... I often am:)

>>
>> The original IBM AT/XT Personal Computer had only two floppy drives...and
>> 640k memory....

>
> Bull. You could at least have googled it, you know. Were you even BORN
> yet, back then?
>
> The original IBM PC (IBM 5150) had an Intel 8088 4.77 MHz processor, and
> came out in 1981. It did have two floppy drives, but 640k? Hell no. It
> was available with 16k - 256k. The XT (model IBM 5160) had an Intel 8088,
> 4.77 processor, and came out in 1983, and didn't have but 128, or 256k RAM
> at first, but later got 640k. The PC/AT (Advanced Technology, heh) (IBM
> 5170) didn't come out until 1984, ran on an Intel 80286 @ 6/8 MHz, and had
> between 256k, and 16 MB of RAM.
>


"No one will ever need more than 640K for a personal computer."
 
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Ophelia

Flightless Bird
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:hja4fe$hce$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>>
>> Enjoy:) My packrat days are well and truly over:)) I am decluttered,
>> tidy, and wondering were all me stuffie 'as gorn:)



To be honest, I'm hoping the same for myself. We just bought our first
> house at the beginning of December, and finally having a place big enough
> for us AND our stuff, we plan to get rid of anything we don't need/want,
> and organize, organize, organize. We finally have a large library, a
> large den for me, and a large sewing room for my wife....and 3/4 basement,
> and a shed/garage (garage doors were replaced with smaller doors) with an
> arched roof. We'll build a quonset hut garage, sitting just in front of
> the shed.
>
> If we can't leave packratting behind, it'd suck hard.


Baby steps. It is very hard to do it all at once. If you can give a small
amount ot time every day/week.. even 15 minutes at time, you will get there.

Hey mail me and I will show you how I did it:)

> Many of my friends are deeply into the Irish music scene, but me, I have a
> soft spot for Scottish music.



My house is in Scotland and I have lived there for 26+ years:)

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Ophelia

Flightless Bird
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:hja4nj$ibp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:7rql20FonmU4@mid.individual.net...
>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
>> news:wcO5n.3095$Np1.2983@newsfe19.iad...
>>> My first home PC was a TI-99/4A with RF modulator so I could use my TV
>>> as a monitor. It had 16k of video RAM and a 256 byte "scratchpad" for
>>> CPU instructions. It also saved programs to audio tape, unless you had
>>> the spare $1400 or $1500 for the Peripheral Expansion Box. It was
>>> probably the easiest PC I ever used to create simple graphics games.

>>
>> UHOH! We 'ave a posh one 'ere:)) Cor that sounds really really
>> swish:))))
>> After the audio tapes, I had two huge floppy disk drives. That is when
>> *I* got posh:)

>
> 8", or 5.25"?


Yes! They were bigger then the usual ones for the time.

For some reason or other, I have two dual 8" drives....but
> have never attached them to anything. Someone sent my a few blank disks,
> but I really could use the operating disks for my Xerox 860 word
> processor.....if only I'd known that I'd end up owning one - I could've
> copied them while I was using them aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt.


LOL mail me and I will share my secret:)) You can end your packrat days.. I
promise:) Heck.. I did:)

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Ophelia

Flightless Bird
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
> news:vVN5n.3012$Np1.177@newsfe19.iad...
>> Roy Smith wrote:
>>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
>>> news:jrK5n.1495$PI7.75@newsfe17.iad...
>>>> No Spam used his keyboard to write :
>>>>> In article <hj7itp$vui$1@news.eternal-september.org> "Lord Vetinari"
>>>>> <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "No Spam" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:3u9dl5hvno748252oa5b5bsimen9jk0ibv@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> In article <hj4st6$9vc$1@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>>>>> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, I'd planned to keep one
>>>>>>>> of my Amigas set up, as soon as I can figure out where to do so
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ahh, the good old days of the Amiga.
>>>>>>> So much fun, so nice, so fast, beautiful OS and software. :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh well, you can always get UAE, or Amiga Forever. Tons of
>>>>>> software available for a download.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have Amiga Forever, but stopped using it.
>>>>> I still miss my real Amiga 2000 and the Video Toaster/ Flyer setup
>>>>> that I had.
>>>>
>>>> Was that from the AfterDark screensaver program? That was a fun one
>>>> to play with.
>>>
>>> No that was a hardware/software package that allowed one to edit
>>> video with the Amiga. I used my Amiga to run a BBS using DLG Pro and
>>> carried FidoNet echos.

>>
>> Wow, BBS. Screech. . .squawk. . .oh, crap, disconnected! Ah, those were
>> the days. I can remember dialing into the U.S Robotics BBS for modem
>> upgrades. Good times...good times!

>
> My wife could never get it in her head, to check to see if I was online,
> before picking up the phone. Drove me insane. Whoops! I was crazy long
> before I ever met her.....


I think your wife must be a saint:)))

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Ophelia

Flightless Bird
"relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:hja6n1$pnt$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:7rr784FvjqU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:7rr4pkFhtvU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:tEY5n.3162$CM7.3033@newsfe04.iad...
>>>>> The Ace had the 2 drives, but if you wanted to start in the OS instead
>>>>> of BASIC, one drive was occupied with the OS disk, so in essence, only
>>>>> one drive was usable. Seemed like a lot of program could be written to
>>>>> 360K in those days ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I had a proper putee like that:) Two discdrives incorporated in the
>>>> cpu box and yes, one of them had to run the os disc!
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to remember who made them.. Alan Sugar springs to mind but
>>>> I might be wrong... I often am:)
>>>
>>> The original IBM AT/XT Personal Computer had only two floppy
>>> drives...and 640k memory....

>>
>> Bull. You could at least have googled it, you know. Were you even BORN
>> yet, back then?
>>
>> The original IBM PC (IBM 5150) had an Intel 8088 4.77 MHz processor, and
>> came out in 1981. It did have two floppy drives, but 640k? Hell no. It
>> was available with 16k - 256k. The XT (model IBM 5160) had an Intel
>> 8088, 4.77 processor, and came out in 1983, and didn't have but 128, or
>> 256k RAM at first, but later got 640k. The PC/AT (Advanced Technology,
>> heh) (IBM 5170) didn't come out until 1984, ran on an Intel 80286 @ 6/8
>> MHz, and had between 256k, and 16 MB of RAM.
>>

>
> "No one will ever need more than 640K for a personal computer."


lolol I remember that:))


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Allen

Flightless Bird
On 1/21/2010 1:44 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
> news:3f6umd.aga.19.1@news.alt.net...
>>
>> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> news:hja6n1$pnt$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7rr784FvjqU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:7rr4pkFhtvU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:tEY5n.3162$CM7.3033@newsfe04.iad...
>>>>>> The Ace had the 2 drives, but if you wanted to start in the OS
>>>>>> instead of BASIC, one drive was occupied with the OS disk, so in
>>>>>> essence, only one drive was usable. Seemed like a lot of program
>>>>>> could be written to 360K in those days ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a proper putee like that:) Two discdrives incorporated in the
>>>>> cpu box and yes, one of them had to run the os disc!
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to remember who made them.. Alan Sugar springs to mind
>>>>> but I might be wrong... I often am:)
>>>>
>>>> The original IBM AT/XT Personal Computer had only two floppy
>>>> drives...and 640k memory....
>>>
>>> Bull. You could at least have googled it, you know. Were you even
>>> BORN yet, back then?
>>>
>>> The original IBM PC (IBM 5150) had an Intel 8088 4.77 MHz processor,
>>> and came out in 1981. It did have two floppy drives, but 640k? Hell
>>> no. It was available with 16k - 256k. The XT (model IBM 5160) had an
>>> Intel 8088, 4.77 processor, and came out in 1983, and didn't have but
>>> 128, or 256k RAM at first, but later got 640k. The PC/AT (Advanced
>>> Technology, heh) (IBM 5170) didn't come out until 1984, ran on an
>>> Intel 80286 @ 6/8 MHz, and had between 256k, and 16 MB of RAM.
>>>

>>
>> "No one will ever need more than 640K for a personal computer."

>
> lolol I remember that:))
>
>

Right up there with the quote from an IBM executive in the early 1950s:
"I can see a need for as many as six computers in the world." I always
remember that statement when I walk down a hospital hallway and see
dozens--one outside each room plus many at each nursing station.

Incidentally, one Wiki article talks about Don Estridge and his team
that developed the PC, but doesn't mention the fact that they violated
just about every IBM bureaucratic policy in order to get it ready for
market. Estridge was "promoted" to a meaningless job and sadly was
killed in a plane crash shortly afterward. IBM has a large facility in
my town (Austin) plus the bank I worked for used IBM mainframes so lots
of the internal gossip came into my ears.
Allen
 
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relic

Flightless Bird
"Allen" <allent@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On 1/21/2010 1:44 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
>> news:3f6umd.aga.19.1@news.alt.net...
>>>
>>> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>> news:hja6n1$pnt$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7rr784FvjqU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7rr4pkFhtvU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:tEY5n.3162$CM7.3033@newsfe04.iad...
>>>>>>> The Ace had the 2 drives, but if you wanted to start in the OS
>>>>>>> instead of BASIC, one drive was occupied with the OS disk, so in
>>>>>>> essence, only one drive was usable. Seemed like a lot of program
>>>>>>> could be written to 360K in those days ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a proper putee like that:) Two discdrives incorporated in the
>>>>>> cpu box and yes, one of them had to run the os disc!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to remember who made them.. Alan Sugar springs to mind
>>>>>> but I might be wrong... I often am:)
>>>>>
>>>>> The original IBM AT/XT Personal Computer had only two floppy
>>>>> drives...and 640k memory....
>>>>
>>>> Bull. You could at least have googled it, you know. Were you even
>>>> BORN yet, back then?
>>>>
>>>> The original IBM PC (IBM 5150) had an Intel 8088 4.77 MHz processor,
>>>> and came out in 1981. It did have two floppy drives, but 640k? Hell
>>>> no. It was available with 16k - 256k. The XT (model IBM 5160) had an
>>>> Intel 8088, 4.77 processor, and came out in 1983, and didn't have but
>>>> 128, or 256k RAM at first, but later got 640k. The PC/AT (Advanced
>>>> Technology, heh) (IBM 5170) didn't come out until 1984, ran on an
>>>> Intel 80286 @ 6/8 MHz, and had between 256k, and 16 MB of RAM.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "No one will ever need more than 640K for a personal computer."

>>
>> lolol I remember that:))
>>
>>

> Right up there with the quote from an IBM executive in the early 1950s: "I
> can see a need for as many as six computers in the world." I always
> remember that statement when I walk down a hospital hallway and see
> dozens--one outside each room plus many at each nursing station.
>
> Incidentally, one Wiki article talks about Don Estridge and his team that
> developed the PC, but doesn't mention the fact that they violated just
> about every IBM bureaucratic policy in order to get it ready for market.
> Estridge was "promoted" to a meaningless job and sadly was killed in a
> plane crash shortly afterward. IBM has a large facility in my town
> (Austin) plus the bank I worked for used IBM mainframes so lots of the
> internal gossip came into my ears.
> Allen


Did they ever tell you the name "International Business Machines" was
copyrighted/owned by NCR? When Tomas Watson left NCR to take over Hollerith,
he asked for the name. John Patterson transferred it to him. That probably
wasn't too smart.
 
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Ophelia

Flightless Bird
"Allen" <allent@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:w8CdndNgpK5UUMXWnZ2dnUVZ_sFi4p2d@giganews.com...
> Right up there with the quote from an IBM executive in the early 1950s: "I
> can see a need for as many as six computers in the world." I always
> remember that statement when I walk down a hospital hallway and see
> dozens--one outside each room plus many at each nursing station.


That one was new to me, but it made oi larf <g>


> Incidentally, one Wiki article talks about Don Estridge and his team that
> developed the PC, but doesn't mention the fact that they violated just
> about every IBM bureaucratic policy in order to get it ready for market.
> Estridge was "promoted" to a meaningless job and sadly was killed in a
> plane crash shortly afterward. IBM has a large facility in my town
> (Austin) plus the bank I worked for used IBM mainframes so lots of the
> internal gossip came into my ears.


Thanks for sharing that and three cheers for the late Don Estridge:)


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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
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> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:hja4fe$hce$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> Enjoy:) My packrat days are well and truly over:)) I am decluttered,
>>> tidy, and wondering were all me stuffie 'as gorn:)

>
> To be honest, I'm hoping the same for myself. We just bought our first
>> house at the beginning of December, and finally having a place big enough
>> for us AND our stuff, we plan to get rid of anything we don't need/want,
>> and organize, organize, organize. We finally have a large library, a
>> large den for me, and a large sewing room for my wife....and 3/4
>> basement, and a shed/garage (garage doors were replaced with smaller
>> doors) with an arched roof. We'll build a quonset hut garage, sitting
>> just in front of the shed.
>>
>> If we can't leave packratting behind, it'd suck hard.

>
> Baby steps.


No offense, but this phrase annoys the hell out of me. We can certainly
leave "baby" out, since we're none of us children.

> It is very hard to do it all at once. If you can give a small amount ot
> time every day/week.. even 15 minutes at time, you will get there.


Ummmm...you _do_ know what they say about unsolicited advice, don't you?

> Hey mail me and I will show you how I did it:)
>
>> Many of my friends are deeply into the Irish music scene, but me, I have
>> a soft spot for Scottish music.

>
> My house is in Scotland and I have lived there for 26+ years:)


I'd give a lot, just to visit Scotland & Ireland. The nearest I've been, is
either the English Channel, or perhaps the North Sea. Depends on just how
close our northerly route took us to the islands.
 
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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
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> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:hja73j$r27$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
>> news:vVN5n.3012$Np1.177@newsfe19.iad...
>>> Roy Smith wrote:
>>>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:jrK5n.1495$PI7.75@newsfe17.iad...
>>>>> No Spam used his keyboard to write :
>>>>>> In article <hj7itp$vui$1@news.eternal-september.org> "Lord Vetinari"
>>>>>> <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "No Spam" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:3u9dl5hvno748252oa5b5bsimen9jk0ibv@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> In article <hj4st6$9vc$1@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>>>>>> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, I'd planned to keep one
>>>>>>>>> of my Amigas set up, as soon as I can figure out where to do so
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ahh, the good old days of the Amiga.
>>>>>>>> So much fun, so nice, so fast, beautiful OS and software. :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh well, you can always get UAE, or Amiga Forever. Tons of
>>>>>>> software available for a download.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have Amiga Forever, but stopped using it.
>>>>>> I still miss my real Amiga 2000 and the Video Toaster/ Flyer setup
>>>>>> that I had.
>>>>>
>>>>> Was that from the AfterDark screensaver program? That was a fun one
>>>>> to play with.
>>>>
>>>> No that was a hardware/software package that allowed one to edit
>>>> video with the Amiga. I used my Amiga to run a BBS using DLG Pro and
>>>> carried FidoNet echos.
>>>
>>> Wow, BBS. Screech. . .squawk. . .oh, crap, disconnected! Ah, those were
>>> the days. I can remember dialing into the U.S Robotics BBS for modem
>>> upgrades. Good times...good times!

>>
>> My wife could never get it in her head, to check to see if I was online,
>> before picking up the phone. Drove me insane. Whoops! I was crazy long
>> before I ever met her.....

>
> I think your wife must be a saint:)))


To be honest, that's a bit insulting, as you're assuming that I'm a burden
to her. I'm sure you meant nothing by it, though. Heheh.

Anyway, we've been together for 27 years. We've literally kept each other
alive all this time...and that's no lie.

I finally got my act together, and set my computer up on my desk. Sooooo
much more comfy. Ottoman under the desk, GamePod chair to sit in - hard to
beat.
 
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