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All good things must come to an end...

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ju.c

Flightless Bird
The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.

Goodbye everybody!


ju.c
 
B

Bill in Co.

Flightless Bird
What??? Not even a short explanation? :)

ju.c wrote:
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
> Goodbye everybody!
>
>
> ju.c
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Shall we send flowers or...?

PS: Hopefully you'll learn to pay closer attention in your next life (unless
you're a bug).

PPS: Take the ghosts with you, too

ju.c wrote:
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
> Goodbye everybody!
 
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Anthony Buckland

Flightless Bird
"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%23XTGQNUALHA.3840@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> What??? Not even a short explanation? :)
>
> ju.c wrote:
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>>
>> Goodbye everybody!
>>
>>
>> ju.c

>
>


A bigger what: you're not going to some other provider that will
still offer these groups?
 
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Bruce Hagen

Flightless Bird
"ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:eOwDeGUALHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
> Goodbye everybody!
>
>
> ju.c
>



I don't have a schedule, but this group is not on the 6/1 chopping block.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
 
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generic_user@usenet.com

Flightless Bird
On Mon, 31 May 2010 21:19:19 -0700, "ju.c"
<bibidybubidyboop@mailinator.com> wrote:

>The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
>Goodbye everybody!
>
>
>ju.c
>


How come the BAD things in life never come to an end, such as
MICROSOFT....
I'd really like to hear that MS came to an end.

It's after midnight on 6-1-10. I wonder if this will still get
posted?
 
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VanguardLH

Flightless Bird
ju.c wrote:

> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
> Goodbye everybody!


Your choice. The rest of us will continue posting here in this same
newsgroup long after Microsoft has dropped their NNTP server and killed
off their webnews gateway to Usenet.
 
D

Daave

Flightless Bird
VanguardLH wrote:
> ju.c wrote:
>
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>> Goodbye everybody!

>
> Your choice. The rest of us will continue posting here in this same
> newsgroup long after Microsoft has dropped their NNTP server and
> killed off their webnews gateway to Usenet.


+1
 
J

Joan Archer

Flightless Bird
Ah I didn't know you cared <g>

--
Joan Archer
http://crossstitcher.webs.com/

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:#CSKIVUALHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Shall we send flowers or...?
>
> PS: Hopefully you'll learn to pay closer attention in your next life
> (unless
> you're a bug).
>
> PPS: Take the ghosts with you, too
>
> ju.c wrote:
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>>
>> Goodbye everybody!

>
 
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Db

Flightless Bird
ta da:

what is good or bad
is subjective.

ta ta.

--
--
db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

DatabaseBen, Retired Professional

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx


"ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:eOwDeGUALHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
> Goodbye everybody!
>
>
> ju.c
>
 
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James Silverton

Flightless Bird
Bruce wrote on Mon, 31 May 2010 21:48:33 -0700:


> "ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop@mailinator.com> wrote in message
> news:eOwDeGUALHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to
>> an end.
>>
>> Goodbye everybody!
>>
>> ju.c
>>

>I don't have a schedule, but this group is not on the 6/1 chopping
>block.


I read your post on news.eternal-september.org and I wonder what is the
MS schedule for trying to remove m.p. groups? M.p.excel.charting, .
...misc and m.p.outlookexpress.general on msnews.microsoft.com all have
posts dated 6/1/10

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
 
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Greg Russell

Flightless Bird
"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
> DE wrote:


> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).


Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
servers.

Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.
 
J

John John - MVP

Flightless Bird
Greg Russell wrote:
> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
> news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
>> DE wrote:

>
>> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
>> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).

>
> Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
> servers.
>
> Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
> newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
> past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.


Of course the high speed lines and the static addresses are also free...
everything Linux is free when someone else pays...
 
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VanguardLH

Flightless Bird
Greg Russell wrote:

> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
> news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
>> DE wrote:

>
>> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
>> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).

>
> Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
> servers.
>
> Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
> newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
> past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.


Disk space is trivial? Do you realize how much disk space is required
to provide for a retention of, say, half a year for all those binary
newsgroups? Oh, and you must think that bandwidth is trivial in that
every NSP has an infinitely size pipe to their servers without any
concern over having to refuse connections or severely throttling the
connections. Both disk space and bandwidth is limited. Getting more
costs more. Yeah, it's trivial to you because you aren't the one
forking out the money for both. Also, it isn't just linear disk space
on one server but having to get and setup RAID to allow hot-swapping and
hardware recovery along with redundant servers to provide service
recovery. And then you have all those backups in case the hardware and
redundant hosts still fail.

When I'm speaking of commercial NSPs, I'm certainly not talking about
someone setting up a Linux host in their basement connected using a
limited bandwidth with no hardware or service recovery.
 
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Paul

Flightless Bird
VanguardLH wrote:
> Greg Russell wrote:
>
>> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
>> news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
>>> DE wrote:
>>> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
>>> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).

>> Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
>> servers.
>>
>> Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
>> newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
>> past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.

>
> Disk space is trivial? Do you realize how much disk space is required
> to provide for a retention of, say, half a year for all those binary
> newsgroups? Oh, and you must think that bandwidth is trivial in that
> every NSP has an infinitely size pipe to their servers without any
> concern over having to refuse connections or severely throttling the
> connections. Both disk space and bandwidth is limited. Getting more
> costs more. Yeah, it's trivial to you because you aren't the one
> forking out the money for both. Also, it isn't just linear disk space
> on one server but having to get and setup RAID to allow hot-swapping and
> hardware recovery along with redundant servers to provide service
> recovery. And then you have all those backups in case the hardware and
> redundant hosts still fail.
>
> When I'm speaking of commercial NSPs, I'm certainly not talking about
> someone setting up a Linux host in their basement connected using a
> limited bandwidth with no hardware or service recovery.


http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1814

"During September 2008, Giganews completed storage upgrades which increased
retention levels to 240 days," Giganews reports. "Shortly thereafter,
Giganews' upload traffic jumped to a sustained level averaging well over
400 megabits per second, representing more than 4.3 terabytes of new user
generated content and discussions per day. Giganews has seen steady upload
growth throughout the decade, but the pace following the recent storage
upgrade exceeded all expectations."

http://www.giganews.com/news/article/newsfeed-growth.html

If we stored 4.3 terabytes per day, for 240 days, that would be
roughly 1000 TB, or (500) 2TB hard drives worth of storage.

Now, if they eliminated binary groups, that would make a big big difference.
There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.

Paul
 
L

Leythos

Flightless Bird
In article <hubbl2$udd$1@speranza.aioe.org>, nospam@needed.com says...
> There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.
>


But Usenet would be a better place, at least in my opinion and I've been
here since 88.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
 
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Greg Russell

Flightless Bird
In news:MPG.267309d3c2351c998a3b5@us.news.astraweb.com,
Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> typed:

>> There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.

>
> But Usenet would be a better place, at least in my opinion and I've
> been here since 88.


Agreed, even though it's been since '89 for me.

All those whiners that don't know how to setup their own nntp server to tap
into multiple free upstream providers to get the newsgroups they want should
quitcherbitchin and use http://individual.net for a simple 10 Euro/year from
any and all nntp clients.
 
L

Leythos

Flightless Bird
In article <86suu6Fnu4U1@mid.individual.net>, grussell@example.con
says...
>
> In news:MPG.267309d3c2351c998a3b5@us.news.astraweb.com,
> Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> typed:
>
> >> There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.

> >
> > But Usenet would be a better place, at least in my opinion and I've
> > been here since 88.

>
> Agreed, even though it's been since '89 for me.
>
> All those whiners that don't know how to setup their own nntp server to tap
> into multiple free upstream providers to get the newsgroups they want should
> quitcherbitchin and use http://individual.net for a simple 10 Euro/year from
> any and all nntp clients.


I normally KF the free groups posts as well as Google Groups posts.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
 
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