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All good things must come to an end...

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by ju.c, May 31, 2010.

  1. ju.c

    ju.c Flightless Bird

    The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.

    Goodbye everybody!


    ju.c
     
  2. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Flightless Bird

    What??? Not even a short explanation? :)

    ju.c wrote:
    > The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
    >
    > Goodbye everybody!
    >
    >
    > ju.c
     
  3. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Shall we send flowers or...?

    PS: Hopefully you'll learn to pay closer attention in your next life (unless
    you're a bug).

    PPS: Take the ghosts with you, too

    ju.c wrote:
    > The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
    >
    > Goodbye everybody!
     
  4. Anthony Buckland

    Anthony Buckland Flightless Bird

    "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:%23XTGQNUALHA.3840@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > What??? Not even a short explanation? :)
    >
    > ju.c wrote:
    >> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
    >>
    >> Goodbye everybody!
    >>
    >>
    >> ju.c

    >
    >


    A bigger what: you're not going to some other provider that will
    still offer these groups?
     
  5. Bruce Hagen

    Bruce Hagen Flightless Bird

    "ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop@mailinator.com> wrote in message
    news:eOwDeGUALHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
    >
    > Goodbye everybody!
    >
    >
    > ju.c
    >



    I don't have a schedule, but this group is not on the 6/1 chopping block.
    --
    Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP [Mail]
    Imperial Beach, CA
     
  6. generic_user@usenet.com

    generic_user@usenet.com Flightless Bird

    On Mon, 31 May 2010 21:19:19 -0700, "ju.c"
    <bibidybubidyboop@mailinator.com> wrote:

    >The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
    >
    >Goodbye everybody!
    >
    >
    >ju.c
    >


    How come the BAD things in life never come to an end, such as
    MICROSOFT....
    I'd really like to hear that MS came to an end.

    It's after midnight on 6-1-10. I wonder if this will still get
    posted?
     
  7. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    ju.c wrote:

    > The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
    > Goodbye everybody!


    Your choice. The rest of us will continue posting here in this same
    newsgroup long after Microsoft has dropped their NNTP server and killed
    off their webnews gateway to Usenet.
     
  8. Daave

    Daave Flightless Bird

    VanguardLH wrote:
    > ju.c wrote:
    >
    >> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
    >> Goodbye everybody!

    >
    > Your choice. The rest of us will continue posting here in this same
    > newsgroup long after Microsoft has dropped their NNTP server and
    > killed off their webnews gateway to Usenet.


    +1
     
  9. Joan Archer

    Joan Archer Flightless Bird

    Ah I didn't know you cared <g>

    --
    Joan Archer
    http://crossstitcher.webs.com/

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:#CSKIVUALHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > Shall we send flowers or...?
    >
    > PS: Hopefully you'll learn to pay closer attention in your next life
    > (unless
    > you're a bug).
    >
    > PPS: Take the ghosts with you, too
    >
    > ju.c wrote:
    >> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
    >>
    >> Goodbye everybody!

    >
     
  10. Db

    Db Flightless Bird

    ta da:

    what is good or bad
    is subjective.

    ta ta.

    --
    --
    db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

    DatabaseBen, Retired Professional

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx


    "ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop@mailinator.com> wrote in message
    news:eOwDeGUALHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
    >
    > Goodbye everybody!
    >
    >
    > ju.c
    >
     
  11. James Silverton

    James Silverton Flightless Bird

    Bruce wrote on Mon, 31 May 2010 21:48:33 -0700:


    > "ju.c" <bibidybubidyboop@mailinator.com> wrote in message
    > news:eOwDeGUALHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to
    >> an end.
    >>
    >> Goodbye everybody!
    >>
    >> ju.c
    >>

    >I don't have a schedule, but this group is not on the 6/1 chopping
    >block.


    I read your post on news.eternal-september.org and I wonder what is the
    MS schedule for trying to remove m.p. groups? M.p.excel.charting, .
    ...misc and m.p.outlookexpress.general on msnews.microsoft.com all have
    posts dated 6/1/10

    --

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
     
  12. Greg Russell

    Greg Russell Flightless Bird

    "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
    news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
    > DE wrote:


    > Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
    > stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).


    Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
    servers.

    Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
    newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
    past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.
     
  13. John John - MVP

    John John - MVP Flightless Bird

    Greg Russell wrote:
    > "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
    > news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
    >> DE wrote:

    >
    >> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
    >> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).

    >
    > Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
    > servers.
    >
    > Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
    > newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
    > past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.


    Of course the high speed lines and the static addresses are also free...
    everything Linux is free when someone else pays...
     
  14. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    Greg Russell wrote:

    > "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
    > news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
    >> DE wrote:

    >
    >> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
    >> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).

    >
    > Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
    > servers.
    >
    > Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
    > newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
    > past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.


    Disk space is trivial? Do you realize how much disk space is required
    to provide for a retention of, say, half a year for all those binary
    newsgroups? Oh, and you must think that bandwidth is trivial in that
    every NSP has an infinitely size pipe to their servers without any
    concern over having to refuse connections or severely throttling the
    connections. Both disk space and bandwidth is limited. Getting more
    costs more. Yeah, it's trivial to you because you aren't the one
    forking out the money for both. Also, it isn't just linear disk space
    on one server but having to get and setup RAID to allow hot-swapping and
    hardware recovery along with redundant servers to provide service
    recovery. And then you have all those backups in case the hardware and
    redundant hosts still fail.

    When I'm speaking of commercial NSPs, I'm certainly not talking about
    someone setting up a Linux host in their basement connected using a
    limited bandwidth with no hardware or service recovery.
     
  15. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    VanguardLH wrote:
    > Greg Russell wrote:
    >
    >> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
    >> news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
    >>> DE wrote:
    >>> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
    >>> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).

    >> Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
    >> servers.
    >>
    >> Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
    >> newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
    >> past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.

    >
    > Disk space is trivial? Do you realize how much disk space is required
    > to provide for a retention of, say, half a year for all those binary
    > newsgroups? Oh, and you must think that bandwidth is trivial in that
    > every NSP has an infinitely size pipe to their servers without any
    > concern over having to refuse connections or severely throttling the
    > connections. Both disk space and bandwidth is limited. Getting more
    > costs more. Yeah, it's trivial to you because you aren't the one
    > forking out the money for both. Also, it isn't just linear disk space
    > on one server but having to get and setup RAID to allow hot-swapping and
    > hardware recovery along with redundant servers to provide service
    > recovery. And then you have all those backups in case the hardware and
    > redundant hosts still fail.
    >
    > When I'm speaking of commercial NSPs, I'm certainly not talking about
    > someone setting up a Linux host in their basement connected using a
    > limited bandwidth with no hardware or service recovery.


    http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1814

    "During September 2008, Giganews completed storage upgrades which increased
    retention levels to 240 days," Giganews reports. "Shortly thereafter,
    Giganews' upload traffic jumped to a sustained level averaging well over
    400 megabits per second, representing more than 4.3 terabytes of new user
    generated content and discussions per day. Giganews has seen steady upload
    growth throughout the decade, but the pace following the recent storage
    upgrade exceeded all expectations."

    http://www.giganews.com/news/article/newsfeed-growth.html

    If we stored 4.3 terabytes per day, for 240 days, that would be
    roughly 1000 TB, or (500) 2TB hard drives worth of storage.

    Now, if they eliminated binary groups, that would make a big big difference.
    There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.

    Paul
     
  16. Leythos

    Leythos Flightless Bird

    In article <hubbl2$udd$1@speranza.aioe.org>, nospam@needed.com says...
    > There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.
    >


    But Usenet would be a better place, at least in my opinion and I've been
    here since 88.

    --
    You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
    voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
    Trust yourself.
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
     
  17. Greg Russell

    Greg Russell Flightless Bird

    In news:MPG.267309d3c2351c998a3b5@us.news.astraweb.com,
    Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> typed:

    >> There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.

    >
    > But Usenet would be a better place, at least in my opinion and I've
    > been here since 88.


    Agreed, even though it's been since '89 for me.

    All those whiners that don't know how to setup their own nntp server to tap
    into multiple free upstream providers to get the newsgroups they want should
    quitcherbitchin and use http://individual.net for a simple 10 Euro/year from
    any and all nntp clients.
     
  18. Leythos

    Leythos Flightless Bird

    In article <86suu6Fnu4U1@mid.individual.net>, grussell@example.con
    says...
    >
    > In news:MPG.267309d3c2351c998a3b5@us.news.astraweb.com,
    > Leythos <spam999free@rrohio.com> typed:
    >
    > >> There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.

    > >
    > > But Usenet would be a better place, at least in my opinion and I've
    > > been here since 88.

    >
    > Agreed, even though it's been since '89 for me.
    >
    > All those whiners that don't know how to setup their own nntp server to tap
    > into multiple free upstream providers to get the newsgroups they want should
    > quitcherbitchin and use http://individual.net for a simple 10 Euro/year from
    > any and all nntp clients.


    I normally KF the free groups posts as well as Google Groups posts.

    --
    You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
    voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
    Trust yourself.
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
     

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