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Accessing This Group without a NewsReader..?

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by achoo, Mar 10, 2010.

  1. achoo

    achoo Flightless Bird

    Hi,
    My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless modems.
    The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook
    Express. (I tried setting it up for him supplying the same details that
    I use;(not My actual details) he is not too computer literate.)

    What can he do to get access to this and other groups on the microsoft
    server? Is there a browser way-in? (he has FireFox)

    Xp home, SP2, fully patched.

    Thanks
     
  2. David H. Lipman

    David H. Lipman Flightless Bird

    From: "achoo" <sneezy@cold.com>

    | Hi,
    | My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless modems.
    | The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook
    | Express. (I tried setting it up for him supplying the same details that
    | I use;(not My actual details) he is not too computer literate.)

    | What can he do to get access to this and other groups on the microsoft
    | server? Is there a browser way-in? (he has FireFox)

    | Xp home, SP2, fully patched.

    | Thanks

    Using a news client is the "preferred" way to access this group but there are ways to use
    a web browser such as IE and FireFox.

    news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

    news://nntp.aioe.org/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

    --
    Dave
    http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
     
  3. Gordon

    Gordon Flightless Bird

    "achoo" <sneezy@cold.com> wrote in message
    news:-OPwDBZEwKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > Hi,
    > My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless
    > modems.
    > The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook
    > Express.


    I don't understand that statement.
    The News server that this group is on is entirely independent of any ISP.


    Setting up Outlook Express/Windows Mail/Windows Live Mail to access
    Microsoft newsgroups
    http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

    Accessing the MS newsgroups in Outlook Express/Windows Mail/Windows Live
    Mail Newsreader
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
     
  4. Pete L

    Pete L Flightless Bird

    On 10 Mar, 11:55, "Gordon" <gordonbpar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > "achoo" <sne...@cold.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:-OPwDBZEwKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >
    > > Hi,
    > > My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless
    > > modems.
    > > The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook
    > > Express.

    >
    > I don't understand that statement.
    > The News server that this group is on is entirely independent of any ISP.
    >
    > Setting up Outlook Express/Windows Mail/Windows Live Mail to access
    > Microsoft newsgroupshttp://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
    >
    > Accessing the MS newsgroups in Outlook Express/Windows Mail/Windows Live
    > Mail Newsreaderhttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx


    What's wrong with what I do.... Just go to Google groups and pretty
    well all of them are there!
     
  5. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    achoo wrote:
    > Hi,
    > My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless
    > modems.
    > The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook
    > Express. (I tried setting it up for him supplying the same details that
    > I use;(not My actual details) he is not too computer literate.)
    >
    > What can he do to get access to this and other groups on the microsoft
    > server? Is there a browser way-in? (he has FireFox)
    >
    > Xp home, SP2, fully patched.
    >
    > Thanks


    I can see the WinXP General and Hardware groups here. This is the
    web way to the groups.

    http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...lt.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

    http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...t.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

    *******

    For a free news server, you can use aioe.org .
    It allows posting of a limited number of text messages
    per day, and has no authentication requirement. There
    are a few other free news servers, where you have to set
    up an account. You don't have to sign up or anything, to
    use this. Binaries here are not supported. This isn't a site
    for movie downloading or anything.

    http://www.aioe.org/

    nntp.aioe.org port 119 and others (I use port 119)

    The AIOE server has some restrictions, on posted content.
    You can't post the exact same message twice, because the
    server compares the article checksum against previous
    articles. You can't place too long a line in your posting.
    Crossposting is limited as well.

    If an article you post on AIOE is rejected, be careful to
    edit the message and change at least one character in it,
    so the message will not be rejected a second time because
    it is identical to the previous one.

    Paul
     
  6. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    "achoo" <sneezy@cold.com> wrote in message
    news:-OPwDBZEwKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > > snip

    >
    > Xp home, SP2, fully patched.


    Your question has been answered in the other replies.

    XP Home with SP2 is NOT "fully patched". Support for XP at the SP2
    level ends on July 13 of this year....four months from now. After that
    date, there will be no updates available for XP at that SP level, so
    that computer will not receive any patches.

    Unless it is updated to SP3, it will be open to any vulnerabilities
    patched after that date.
    --
    Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    A+
    http://dts-l.net/
     
  7. Gordon

    Gordon Flightless Bird

    "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    news:hn820p$2fs$2@speranza.aioe.org...
    >
    > For a free news server, you can use aioe.org .
    > It allows posting of a limited number of text messages
    > per day, and has no authentication requirement.


    If the OP wants THIS group then he can subscribe direct to the MS news
    server. No restrictions on numbers of posts per day there...
     
  8. Gordon

    Gordon Flightless Bird

    "Pete L" <peterlavington@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:09e2e581-4565-4061-a8b9-14bfa27f0205@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
    > On 10 Mar, 11:55, "Gordon" <gordonbpar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >> "achoo" <sne...@cold.com> wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:-OPwDBZEwKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >> > Hi,
    >> > My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless
    >> > modems.
    >> > The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook
    >> > Express.

    >>
    >> I don't understand that statement.
    >> The News server that this group is on is entirely independent of any ISP.
    >>
    >> Setting up Outlook Express/Windows Mail/Windows Live Mail to access
    >> Microsoft
    >> newsgroupshttp://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
    >>
    >> Accessing the MS newsgroups in Outlook Express/Windows Mail/Windows Live
    >> Mail
    >> Newsreaderhttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx

    >
    > What's wrong with what I do.... Just go to Google groups and pretty
    > well all of them are there!


    Many people block posters using Googlegroups because of spam and mostly
    sheer idiocy.
     
  9. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    If he's running WinXP, he's got a newsreader (Outlook Express) and can
    access the MS newsgroups via the free MS newsserver:

    Setting up Outlook Express to access Microsoft newsgroups
    http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

    Or he can access the MS newsgroups via the clunky, unreliable web-interface:
    http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx

    Note: Extended Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010. After that
    date, computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 will NOT be offered any further
    critical security updates, Automatic Updates will not work, and Windows
    Update website will not be accessible until SP3 is installed.

    What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?:
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean
    --
    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

    achoo wrote:
    > Hi,
    > My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless
    > modems.
    > The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook
    > Express. (I tried setting it up for him supplying the same details that
    > I use;(not My actual details) he is not too computer literate.)
    >
    > What can he do to get access to this and other groups on the microsoft
    > server? Is there a browser way-in? (he has FireFox)
    >
    > Xp home, SP2, fully patched.
    >
    > Thanks
     
  10. David H. Lipman

    David H. Lipman Flightless Bird

  11. Leythos

    Leythos Flightless Bird

    In article <#LLNC2HwKHA.5940@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, PABearMVP@gmail.com
    says...
    > If he's running WinXP, he's got a newsreader (Outlook Express) and can
    > access the MS newsgroups via the free MS newsserver:
    >


    Outlook Express is a EMAIL program that MS "ADDED" Usenet access to -
    it's a crappy interface, always was, never will be good, only used by
    noobs....

    There are many real Usenet clients, free even...

    Gravity is free, text based, even does UU-Encoding if you're into
    downloading files, and it's not subject to the same problems that
    Outhouse is.

    --
    You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
    voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
    Trust yourself.
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
     
  12. LD55ZRA

    LD55ZRA Flightless Bird

    Leythos wrote:

    >Outlook Express is a EMAIL program that MS "ADDED" Usenet access to -
    >it's a crappy interface, always was, never will be good, only used by
    >noobs....
    >
    >There are many real Usenet clients, free even...
    >
    >Gravity is free, text based, even does UU-Encoding if you're into
    >downloading files, and it's not subject to the same problems that
    >Outhouse is.
    >
    >


    Do you strongly recommend Gravity then?
     
  13. Leythos

    Leythos Flightless Bird

    In article <hn96a1$5a3$2@speranza.aioe.org>, LD55ZRA@MAIL.COM says...
    >
    > Leythos wrote:
    >
    > >Outlook Express is a EMAIL program that MS "ADDED" Usenet access to -
    > >it's a crappy interface, always was, never will be good, only used by
    > >noobs....
    > >
    > >There are many real Usenet clients, free even...
    > >
    > >Gravity is free, text based, even does UU-Encoding if you're into
    > >downloading files, and it's not subject to the same problems that
    > >Outhouse is.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Do you strongly recommend Gravity then?


    I've been using it for a LONG time, maybe 10 years, when I had to buy
    it, before it because OpenSource.

    I like gravity because it shows the groups and threads in a manner that
    I would naturally expect them to be - as well as allowing multiple
    signatures on demand and it's FREE and very easy on resources.

    One other benefit is the ability to export and import the setup/Usenet
    counts on startup - since I have many computers, I have Gravity set to
    export the NEWSRC file to a network share on exit, on start it imports
    it, so this means I get the same read/unread from any computer in my
    location, I don't have to see ones I've already read just because I'm on
    a different computer.

    --
    You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
    voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
    Trust yourself.
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
     
  14. achoo

    achoo Flightless Bird

    PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    > If he's running WinXP, he's got a newsreader (Outlook Express) and can
    > access the MS newsgroups via the free MS newsserver:
    >
    > Setting up Outlook Express to access Microsoft newsgroups
    > http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
    >
    > Or he can access the MS newsgroups via the clunky, unreliable
    > web-interface:
    > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx
    >
    > Note: Extended Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010. After
    > that date, computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 will NOT be offered any
    > further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will not work, and
    > Windows Update website will not be accessible until SP3 is installed.
    >
    > What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?:
    > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean
    >


    Thank to all replies, I have read them all including the ones under this
    this post. (last one being leythos.)

    If it is so, that he can use outlook, or any reader for that matter,
    then it must have been me at fault when I tried to set-up the MS server
    for him. Did manage to get to the Finish of adding this server, and it
    did start to load the groups, but an error occured somewhere, then it
    ceased. I will try again for him on next visit, then post back with
    results. (Just one thing, what should I put in the field 'nntp' when
    setting it up? I may have made an error there. Have never worked with
    an i.s.p that doesnt have a server.)

    Thanks
     
  15. achoo

    achoo Flightless Bird

    PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    > If he's running WinXP, he's got a newsreader (Outlook Express) and can
    > access the MS newsgroups via the free MS newsserver:
    >
    > Setting up Outlook Express to access Microsoft newsgroups
    > http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
    >
    > Or he can access the MS newsgroups via the clunky, unreliable
    > web-interface:
    > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx
    >
    > Note: Extended Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010. After
    > that date, computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 will NOT be offered any
    > further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will not work, and
    > Windows Update website will not be accessible until SP3 is installed.
    >
    > What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?:
    > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean
    >





    Hi,

    I forgot to mention that I set up a Gmail account for him, in case that
    is relevant to anything.

    Thanks
     
  16. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    achoo wrote:
    <snip>
    > If it is so, that he can use outlook...


    Careful: Outlook and Outlook Express are not the same application! The
    latter includes a newsreader; the former does not.
     
  17. glee

    glee Flightless Bird

    "achoo" <sneezy@cold.com> wrote in message
    news:%23ftANHMwKHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    >> If he's running WinXP, he's got a newsreader (Outlook Express) and
    >> can access the MS newsgroups via the free MS newsserver:
    >>
    >> Setting up Outlook Express to access Microsoft newsgroups
    >> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
    >>
    >> Or he can access the MS newsgroups via the clunky, unreliable
    >> web-interface:
    >> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx
    >>
    >> Note: Extended Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010.
    >> After that date, computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 will NOT be
    >> offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will
    >> not work, and Windows Update website will not be accessible until SP3
    >> is installed.
    >>
    >> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?:
    >> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

    >
    > Thank to all replies, I have read them all including the ones under
    > this this post. (last one being leythos.)
    >
    > If it is so, that he can use outlook, or any reader for that matter,
    > then it must have been me at fault when I tried to set-up the MS
    > server for him. Did manage to get to the Finish of adding this server,
    > and it did start to load the groups, but an error occured somewhere,
    > then it ceased. I will try again for him on next visit, then post
    > back with results. (Just one thing, what should I put in the field
    > 'nntp' when setting it up? I may have made an error there. Have
    > never worked with an i.s.p that doesnt have a server.)


    Outlook Express....NOT Outlook.
    The NNTP server is msnews.microsoft.com
    It does not require the user to log on, so leave that box unchecked
    during account setup.
    Be sure to enter a fake email address or you will end up with a mailbox
    full of spam.

    You say an error occurred when downloading groups...what error? Provide
    all error messages word for word.
    --
    Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
    A+
    http://dts-l.net/
     
  18. achoo

    achoo Flightless Bird

    glee wrote:
    > "achoo" <sneezy@cold.com> wrote in message
    > news:%23ftANHMwKHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    >>> If he's running WinXP, he's got a newsreader (Outlook Express) and
    >>> can access the MS newsgroups via the free MS newsserver:
    >>>
    >>> Setting up Outlook Express to access Microsoft newsgroups
    >>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
    >>>
    >>> Or he can access the MS newsgroups via the clunky, unreliable
    >>> web-interface:
    >>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx
    >>>
    >>> Note: Extended Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010.
    >>> After that date, computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 will NOT be
    >>> offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will
    >>> not work, and Windows Update website will not be accessible until SP3
    >>> is installed.
    >>>
    >>> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?:
    >>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean
    >>>

    >>
    >> Thank to all replies, I have read them all including the ones under
    >> this this post. (last one being leythos.)
    >>
    >> If it is so, that he can use outlook, or any reader for that matter,
    >> then it must have been me at fault when I tried to set-up the MS
    >> server for him. Did manage to get to the Finish of adding this server,
    >> and it did start to load the groups, but an error occured somewhere,
    >> then it ceased. I will try again for him on next visit, then post
    >> back with results. (Just one thing, what should I put in the field
    >> 'nntp' when setting it up? I may have made an error there. Have
    >> never worked with an i.s.p that doesnt have a server.)

    >
    > Outlook Express....NOT Outlook.
    > The NNTP server is msnews.microsoft.com
    > It does not require the user to log on, so leave that box unchecked
    > during account setup.
    > Be sure to enter a fake email address or you will end up with a mailbox
    > full of spam.
    >
    > You say an error occurred when downloading groups...what error? Provide
    > all error messages word for word.

    ---------------

    Yes, I did use his Outlook Express, not Outlook. (have set-up many of
    these myself.)
    Perhaps I mis-spelled something in nntp, but at the finish button, it
    did try to load the groups.
    As for the error message, I honestly cant recall right now, but one
    definately came up stating something similar to 'could not load groups'.
    I had a gut feeling that he should have been able to get to the
    microsoft server no matter what his i.s.p situation.
    Will post back as soon as I have been at his computer.

    Thanks
     
  19. achoo

    achoo Flightless Bird

    PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    > achoo wrote:
    > <snip>
    >> If it is so, that he can use outlook...

    >
    > Careful: Outlook and Outlook Express are not the same application! The
    > latter includes a newsreader; the former does not.



    Yes, I understand. I am also glad from all reply posts that it is
    possible for him to access the groups using any newsreader, just got to
    make it so.

    Thanks
     
  20. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    achoo wrote:
    <snip>
    > Yes, I understand. I am also glad from all reply posts that it is
    > possible for him to access the groups using any newsreader, just got to
    > make it so.


    Here are a few clickable links for you. Each one will open the newsgroup in
    the default newsreader (e.g., Outlook Express):

    WinXP
    news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

    Internet Explorer
    news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

    Outlook Express
    news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

    Windows Update
    news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsupdate

    More here: http://aumha.org/nntp.htm
    --
    ~PA Bear
     

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