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Access denied on various Win7 files

Z

Zootal

Flightless Bird
I boot to XP, which is located on my e: partition, and I navigate to G:
\Program Files\Windows Sidebar (Win7 is on my g: partition). I attempt to
rename sidebar.exe. I get "access denied". How can I get access denied? I'm
logged into XP as an administrator, and Win7 isn't running. I can rename
the directory the file is in. I can copy the file. I do a diskcheck and it
says nothing is wrong with the file.

It's not just this one file. There seem to be many files that are part of
the Win7 install that I can't rename/delete, even though Win7 is not even
running and I am logged into admin.
 
C

Conor

Flightless Bird
In article <Xns9D08629391077nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131>, Zootal
says...
>
> I boot to XP, which is located on my e: partition, and I navigate to G:
> \Program Files\Windows Sidebar (Win7 is on my g: partition). I attempt to
> rename sidebar.exe. I get "access denied". How can I get access denied? I'm
> logged into XP as an administrator, and Win7 isn't running. I can rename
> the directory the file is in. I can copy the file. I do a diskcheck and it
> says nothing is wrong with the file.
>
> It's not just this one file. There seem to be many files that are part of
> the Win7 install that I can't rename/delete, even though Win7 is not even
> running and I am logged into admin.


Thats to stop knobjockeys who don't have a clue from fucking it up.

--
Conor

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
 
Z

Zootal

Flightless Bird
Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.25c3f7287a7d6e9b989bfe@news.eternal-september.org:

> In article <Xns9D08629391077nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131>,
> Zootal says...
>>
>> I boot to XP, which is located on my e: partition, and I navigate to
>> G: \Program Files\Windows Sidebar (Win7 is on my g: partition). I
>> attempt to rename sidebar.exe. I get "access denied". How can I get
>> access denied? I'm logged into XP as an administrator, and Win7 isn't
>> running. I can rename the directory the file is in. I can copy the
>> file. I do a diskcheck and it says nothing is wrong with the file.
>>
>> It's not just this one file. There seem to be many files that are
>> part of the Win7 install that I can't rename/delete, even though Win7
>> is not even running and I am logged into admin.

>
> Thats to stop knobjockeys who don't have a clue from fucking it up.
>


Too bad my newsreader can't filter totally worthless answers like yours :-(

Anyone have a better answer?
 
J

Joel

Flightless Bird
Zootal <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote:
>> In article <Xns9D08629391077nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131>,
>> Zootal says...
>>>
>>> I boot to XP, which is located on my e: partition, and I navigate to
>>> G: \Program Files\Windows Sidebar (Win7 is on my g: partition). I
>>> attempt to rename sidebar.exe. I get "access denied". How can I get
>>> access denied? I'm logged into XP as an administrator, and Win7 isn't
>>> running. I can rename the directory the file is in. I can copy the
>>> file. I do a diskcheck and it says nothing is wrong with the file.
>>>
>>> It's not just this one file. There seem to be many files that are
>>> part of the Win7 install that I can't rename/delete, even though Win7
>>> is not even running and I am logged into admin.

>
>Anyone have a better answer?



It would probably be a complex hack, if even possible, to modify the
permissions on files like that, to allow another Windows installation
to modify them.

--
Joel Crump
 
Z

Zootal

Flightless Bird
> It would probably be a complex hack, if even possible, to modify the
> permissions on files like that, to allow another Windows installation
> to modify them.
>


I wasn't aware that you could do *anything* to a file to deny access to the
administrator of the currently running operationg system. XP doesn't do it
- I restore my XP installations from time to time, and I've never had any
problems deleting all of the existing XP install files and replacing them
from a backup.
 
J

Joel

Flightless Bird
Zootal <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote:

>I wasn't aware that you could do *anything* to a file to deny access to the
>administrator of the currently running operationg system.



Administrator is not the highest privilege level.

--
Joel Crump
 
Z

Zootal

Flightless Bird
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
news:eek:ptjl5lfnbe3rt6cm4rmcooumfr0m5ora4@4ax.com:

> Zootal <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>I wasn't aware that you could do *anything* to a file to deny access
>>to the administrator of the currently running operationg system.

>
>
> Administrator is not the highest privilege level.
>


What is?
 
J

Joel

Flightless Bird
Zootal <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote:

>>>I wasn't aware that you could do *anything* to a file to deny access
>>>to the administrator of the currently running operationg system.

>>
>> Administrator is not the highest privilege level.

>
>What is?



Well, that doesn't necessarily mean that an Admin can't get access if
they force the issue - in fact, I'm pretty sure that by booting into
Win7 itself, you could figure out how to. But I would have to think
they'd make it a lot trickier to open the system files up, to other OS
installs, particularly of XP and older NT versions.

To answer your question, though, System would generally be the highest
privilege level.

--
Joel Crump
 
Z

Zootal

Flightless Bird
>>> Administrator is not the highest privilege level.
>>
>>What is?

>
>
> Well, that doesn't necessarily mean that an Admin can't get access if
> they force the issue - in fact, I'm pretty sure that by booting into
> Win7 itself, you could figure out how to. But I would have to think
> they'd make it a lot trickier to open the system files up, to other OS
> installs, particularly of XP and older NT versions.
>
> To answer your question, though, System would generally be the highest
> privilege level.
>


I'm curious as to how this is done. I've always kept my XP installs on
fat32 partitions, so this has never been an issue. You can't do anything to
a file on fat32 to restrict access when you boot from another OS.
Apparently, you can do this with files on an ntfs partition.
 
D

Dave-UK

Flightless Bird
"Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D0873588C857nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131...
> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:eek:ptjl5lfnbe3rt6cm4rmcooumfr0m5ora4@4ax.com:
>
>> Zootal <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I wasn't aware that you could do *anything* to a file to deny access
>>>to the administrator of the currently running operationg system.

>>
>>
>> Administrator is not the highest privilege level.
>>

>
> What is?


TrustedInstaller has the highest privileges and TrustedInstaller owns the sidebar.exe file.

If you check the security status of sidebar.exe you will see that Users, Administrators and
even System have only read and execute access.
Only TrustedInstaller has full control. That's why you can't rename it.

If you wanted to run sidebar.exe as you said, you would first have to take ownership of
the file and then give yourself full control.
Then edit it with a hex editor to stop it writing the registry entry to run at start-up.
The string 'Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run' starts
at 0x00005F1C so you could, I guess, modify that by changing, say, Run to Sun.
Then when you ran the program it would write a harmless registry entry that didn't
instigate a run at start-up.

If you tried to edit sidebar.exe without taking ownership then Win7 will
just automatically replace the edited file with a good copy.
 
C

Conor

Flightless Bird
In article <Xns9D0866D41F901nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131>, Zootal
says...
>
> Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> wrote in
> news:MPG.25c3f7287a7d6e9b989bfe@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > In article <Xns9D08629391077nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131>,
> > Zootal says...
> >>
> >> I boot to XP, which is located on my e: partition, and I navigate to
> >> G: \Program Files\Windows Sidebar (Win7 is on my g: partition). I
> >> attempt to rename sidebar.exe. I get "access denied". How can I get
> >> access denied? I'm logged into XP as an administrator, and Win7 isn't
> >> running. I can rename the directory the file is in. I can copy the
> >> file. I do a diskcheck and it says nothing is wrong with the file.
> >>
> >> It's not just this one file. There seem to be many files that are
> >> part of the Win7 install that I can't rename/delete, even though Win7
> >> is not even running and I am logged into admin.

> >
> > Thats to stop knobjockeys who don't have a clue from fucking it up.
> >

>
> Too bad my newsreader can't filter totally worthless answers like yours :-(
>

Its the truth. If you actually get your head out of your ass, Microsoft
have altered the permissions so you can't alter system files from
another OS precisely to stop people fucking up dual boot installs.



--
Conor

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
 
J

Joel

Flightless Bird
Zootal <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote:

>I'm curious as to how this is done. I've always kept my XP installs on
>fat32 partitions, so this has never been an issue. You can't do anything to
>a file on fat32 to restrict access when you boot from another OS.
>Apparently, you can do this with files on an ntfs partition.



NTFS has features that are more akin to Unix/etc. file systems.

--
Joel Crump
 
J

Joel

Flightless Bird
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>To answer your question, though, System would generally be the highest
>privilege level.



Privilege in that sense not necessarily meaning within the file
system - it's deliberately more dynamic in the file system.

--
Joel Crump
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Zootal wrote:
> I boot to XP, which is located on my e: partition, and I navigate to G:
> \Program Files\Windows Sidebar (Win7 is on my g: partition). I attempt to
> rename sidebar.exe. I get "access denied". How can I get access denied? I'm
> logged into XP as an administrator, and Win7 isn't running. I can rename
> the directory the file is in. I can copy the file. I do a diskcheck and it
> says nothing is wrong with the file.
>
> It's not just this one file. There seem to be many files that are part of
> the Win7 install that I can't rename/delete, even though Win7 is not even
> running and I am logged into admin.


Dl this take ownership reg hack and you can do anything to any
file/folder you wish.

http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/499870-vista-tips-tricks-tweaks/
 
L

Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D0866D41F901nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131...
> Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> wrote in
> news:MPG.25c3f7287a7d6e9b989bfe@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> In article <Xns9D08629391077nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131>,
>> Zootal says...
>>>
>>> I boot to XP, which is located on my e: partition, and I navigate to
>>> G: \Program Files\Windows Sidebar (Win7 is on my g: partition). I
>>> attempt to rename sidebar.exe. I get "access denied". How can I get
>>> access denied? I'm logged into XP as an administrator, and Win7 isn't
>>> running. I can rename the directory the file is in. I can copy the
>>> file. I do a diskcheck and it says nothing is wrong with the file.
>>>
>>> It's not just this one file. There seem to be many files that are
>>> part of the Win7 install that I can't rename/delete, even though Win7
>>> is not even running and I am logged into admin.

>>
>> Thats to stop knobjockeys who don't have a clue from fucking it up.
>>

>
> Too bad my newsreader can't filter totally worthless answers like yours
> :-(
>
> Anyone have a better answer?


I believe someone answered that in an earlier thread, IIRC. I'm too tired
to look for it, and all....
 
G

GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> Zootal wrote:
>> I boot to XP, which is located on my e: partition, and I navigate to G:
>> \Program Files\Windows Sidebar (Win7 is on my g: partition). I attempt
>> to rename sidebar.exe. I get "access denied". How can I get access
>> denied? I'm logged into XP as an administrator, and Win7 isn't
>> running. I can rename the directory the file is in. I can copy the
>> file. I do a diskcheck and it says nothing is wrong with the file.
>>
>> It's not just this one file. There seem to be many files that are part
>> of the Win7 install that I can't rename/delete, even though Win7 is
>> not even running and I am logged into admin.

>
> Dl this take ownership reg hack and you can do anything to any
> file/folder you wish.
>
> http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/499870-vista-tips-tricks-tweaks/
>


There is now a God Mode in Win7.

http://techpp.com/2010/01/08/windows-7-god-mode/comment-page-1/

I don't know if this is useful for the OP tho.


--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).
 
P

Pastor Dave

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:41:05 -0600, Zootal
<nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> spake thusly:


>I boot to XP, which is located on my e: partition, and I navigate to G:
>\Program Files\Windows Sidebar (Win7 is on my g: partition). I attempt to
>rename sidebar.exe. I get "access denied". How can I get access denied? I'm
>logged into XP as an administrator, and Win7 isn't running. I can rename
>the directory the file is in. I can copy the file. I do a diskcheck and it
>says nothing is wrong with the file.
>
>It's not just this one file. There seem to be many files that are part of
>the Win7 install that I can't rename/delete, even though Win7 is not even
>running and I am logged into admin.


Have you tried, in Win7, to "take ownership" of the files?

--

Pastor Dave

The following is part of my auto-rotating
sig file and not part of the message body.

“What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do
for others and the world, remains and is immortal.”
- Albert Pines
 
Z

Zootal

Flightless Bird
Pastor Dave <newsgroup-mail @ tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
news:rek0m5pm0e429kkt1e45vbpbnpv1aia9r2@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:41:05 -0600, Zootal
> <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> spake thusly:
>
>
>>I boot to XP, which is located on my e: partition, and I navigate to
>>G: \Program Files\Windows Sidebar (Win7 is on my g: partition). I
>>attempt to rename sidebar.exe. I get "access denied". How can I get
>>access denied? I'm logged into XP as an administrator, and Win7 isn't
>>running. I can rename the directory the file is in. I can copy the
>>file. I do a diskcheck and it says nothing is wrong with the file.
>>
>>It's not just this one file. There seem to be many files that are part
>>of the Win7 install that I can't rename/delete, even though Win7 is
>>not even running and I am logged into admin.

>
> Have you tried, in Win7, to "take ownership" of the files?
>


No - I solved the problem without actually taking the ownership of the
file.
 
P

Pastor Dave

Flightless Bird
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:08:55 -0600, Zootal
<nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> spake thusly:


>Pastor Dave <newsgroup-mail @ tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
>news:rek0m5pm0e429kkt1e45vbpbnpv1aia9r2@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:41:05 -0600, Zootal
>> <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> spake thusly:
>>
>>
>>>I boot to XP, which is located on my e: partition, and I navigate to
>>>G: \Program Files\Windows Sidebar (Win7 is on my g: partition). I
>>>attempt to rename sidebar.exe. I get "access denied". How can I get
>>>access denied? I'm logged into XP as an administrator, and Win7 isn't
>>>running. I can rename the directory the file is in. I can copy the
>>>file. I do a diskcheck and it says nothing is wrong with the file.
>>>
>>>It's not just this one file. There seem to be many files that are part
>>>of the Win7 install that I can't rename/delete, even though Win7 is
>>>not even running and I am logged into admin.

>>
>> Have you tried, in Win7, to "take ownership" of the files?
>>

>
> No - I solved the problem without actually taking the ownership
> of the file.


Great! :) Would you mind please sharing how you did it?
I (and we, I'm sure) would very much appreciate it! :)

--

Pastor Dave

The following is part of my auto-rotating
sig file and not part of the message body.

"For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near,
a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen. And
the sword shall come upon Egypt, and great pain shall
be in Ethiopia, when the slain shall fall in Egypt, and
they shall take away her multitude, and her foundations
shall be broken down." - Ezekiel 30:3-4 (prophecy about
Egypt, fulfilled in 480 B.C.)
 
L

Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"Pastor Dave" <newsgroup-mail @ tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3rd3m5d4p2bgt99abrphnj6jq9jfqf50ra@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:08:55 -0600, Zootal
> <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> spake thusly:
>
>
>>Pastor Dave <newsgroup-mail @ tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
>>news:rek0m5pm0e429kkt1e45vbpbnpv1aia9r2@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:41:05 -0600, Zootal
>>> <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> spake thusly:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I boot to XP, which is located on my e: partition, and I navigate to
>>>>G: \Program Files\Windows Sidebar (Win7 is on my g: partition). I
>>>>attempt to rename sidebar.exe. I get "access denied". How can I get
>>>>access denied? I'm logged into XP as an administrator, and Win7 isn't
>>>>running. I can rename the directory the file is in. I can copy the
>>>>file. I do a diskcheck and it says nothing is wrong with the file.
>>>>
>>>>It's not just this one file. There seem to be many files that are part
>>>>of the Win7 install that I can't rename/delete, even though Win7 is
>>>>not even running and I am logged into admin.
>>>
>>> Have you tried, in Win7, to "take ownership" of the files?
>>>

>>
>> No - I solved the problem without actually taking the ownership
>> of the file.

>
> Great! :) Would you mind please sharing how you did it?
> I (and we, I'm sure) would very much appreciate it! :)
>
> --
>
> Pastor Dave
>
> The following is part of my auto-rotating
> sig file and not part of the message body.
>
> "For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near,
> a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen. And
> the sword shall come upon Egypt, and great pain shall
> be in Ethiopia, when the slain shall fall in Egypt, and
> they shall take away her multitude, and her foundations
> shall be broken down." - Ezekiel 30:3-4 (prophecy about
> Egypt, fulfilled in 480 B.C.)


Check your religion at the door, Davey, this ng is about Win7....
 
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