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A new one on me.

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by nurmi, Jul 23, 2010.

  1. nurmi

    nurmi Flightless Bird

    I drive the Windows XP Home Edition SP 3 Until today it has
    performed the way it was designed.
    Three times today I worked with it as usual when about 30 to 45 minutes
    after booting up, the operating system
    stopped funtioning. The arrow disappeard, Control, Alt, Delete, did not
    wake up the Task Manager, turning
    a printer on or of brought no reaction from the PC, did not activate the red
    light . Re-booting worked normally.
    Then it occurred again. Any ideas?
    Nurmi
     
  2. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Overheating?

    Cleaning the Interior of your PC:
    http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial118.html


    nurmi wrote:
    > I drive the Windows XP Home Edition SP 3 Until today it has
    > performed the way it was designed.
    > Three times today I worked with it as usual when about 30 to 45 minutes
    > after booting up, the operating system
    > stopped funtioning. The arrow disappeard, Control, Alt, Delete, did not
    > wake up the Task Manager, turning
    > a printer on or of brought no reaction from the PC, did not activate the
    > red
    > light . Re-booting worked normally.
    > Then it occurred again. Any ideas?
    > Nurmi
     
  3. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    > Overheating?
    >
    > Cleaning the Interior of your PC:
    > http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial118.html
    >


    Check Event Viewer for any error messages that might have happened
    at that point in time. In this example, the problem is related
    to a graphics driver (ATI2MTAG).

    http://attachments.techguy.org/attachments/115895d1190257085/event-viewer.jpg

    If you have a second computer, you can use the "ping" command
    in a Command Prompt window, to see if your current computer is
    still computing. Sometimes, a freeze of the Windows display system,
    will make it appear the computer is dead, when it isn't. If the
    ping is answered, then the computer is still running.

    In addition to PA's suggestion of overheating, you might also want
    to visually check the condition of the capacitors around the processor
    socket. Bulged or leaking electrolytic capacitors can cause
    instability leading to a crash or freeze.

    (What to look for, on the computer motherboard, near the processor socket)
    http://www.badcaps.net/images/caps/kt7/image004.png

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

    The same problem may affect the capacitors inside the computer power
    supply. Sometimes, you can hear a sizzling sound when you first start
    the computer, or smell smoke coming from the supply. Eventually,
    the computer will no longer be able to start up properly.

    The problem may also be caused by bad memory. You can test the memory,
    using a program from this web page. You prepare a floppy diskette, or
    a CD using the program, and boot the computer with the memory testing
    program. A couple of complete passes of testing (two hours perhaps) is
    sufficient.

    http://www.memtest.org/

    Using your favorite search engine, you can search for that model name
    ("HP Pavilion 1234") and see if anyone else has had problems with
    capacitors or power supplies or the like.

    Paul

    >
    > nurmi wrote:
    >> I drive the Windows XP Home Edition SP 3 Until today it has
    >> performed the way it was designed.
    >> Three times today I worked with it as usual when about 30 to 45 minutes
    >> after booting up, the operating system
    >> stopped funtioning. The arrow disappeard, Control, Alt, Delete, did not
    >> wake up the Task Manager, turning
    >> a printer on or of brought no reaction from the PC, did not activate
    >> the red
    >> light . Re-booting worked normally.
    >> Then it occurred again. Any ideas?
    >> Nurmi

    >
     
  4. Jim

    Jim Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:25:53 -0700, "nurmi" <bogus@gmxs.de> wrote:

    > I drive the Windows XP Home Edition SP 3 Until today it has
    >performed the way it was designed.
    >Three times today I worked with it as usual when about 30 to 45 minutes
    >after booting up, the operating system
    >stopped funtioning. The arrow disappeard, Control, Alt, Delete, did not
    >wake up the Task Manager, turning
    >a printer on or of brought no reaction from the PC, did not activate the red
    >light . Re-booting worked normally.
    >Then it occurred again. Any ideas?
    >Nurmi
    >


    Too hot ?
     
  5. Db

    Db Flightless Bird

    if you think that it
    is overheating,

    then you might try
    opening the side panel
    and point a fan to the
    motherboard and see
    if it helps.

    it may also be that
    the heat sink on the
    cpu is not making
    sufficient contact on
    the cpu.



    --
    --
    db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

    DatabaseBen, Retired Professional

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx


    "nurmi" <bogus@gmxs.de> wrote in message
    news:#WIuKhuKLHA.5932@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > I drive the Windows XP Home Edition SP 3 Until today it has
    > performed the way it was designed.
    > Three times today I worked with it as usual when about 30 to 45 minutes
    > after booting up, the operating system
    > stopped funtioning. The arrow disappeard, Control, Alt, Delete, did not
    > wake up the Task Manager, turning
    > a printer on or of brought no reaction from the PC, did not activate the
    > red light . Re-booting worked normally.
    > Then it occurred again. Any ideas?
    > Nurmi
    >
     
  6. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    What good would that do? Pointing a fan does nothing You have to have it
    running.
    "Db" <databaseb~@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:95E889BC-9D79-4A16-9284-5755518B4AF9@microsoft.com...
    > if you think that it
    > is overheating,
    >
    > then you might try
    > opening the side panel
    > and point a fan to the
    > motherboard and see
    > if it helps.
    >
    > it may also be that
    > the heat sink on the
    > cpu is not making
    > sufficient contact on
    > the cpu.
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > --
    > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
    >
    > DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
    >
    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    > This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:
    >
    > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
    >
    >
    > "nurmi" <bogus@gmxs.de> wrote in message
    > news:#WIuKhuKLHA.5932@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >> I drive the Windows XP Home Edition SP 3 Until today it has
    >> performed the way it was designed.
    >> Three times today I worked with it as usual when about 30 to 45 minutes
    >> after booting up, the operating system
    >> stopped funtioning. The arrow disappeard, Control, Alt, Delete, did not
    >> wake up the Task Manager, turning
    >> a printer on or of brought no reaction from the PC, did not activate the
    >> red light . Re-booting worked normally.
    >> Then it occurred again. Any ideas?
    >> Nurmi
    >>
     
  7. Richard in AZ

    Richard in AZ Flightless Bird

    Picky-Picky-Picky
    "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message news:u0tVPj0KLHA.4216@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > What good would that do? Pointing a fan does nothing You have to have it running.
    > "Db" <databaseb~@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:95E889BC-9D79-4A16-9284-5755518B4AF9@microsoft.com...
    >> if you think that it
    >> is overheating,
    >>
    >> then you might try
    >> opening the side panel
    >> and point a fan to the
    >> motherboard and see
    >> if it helps.
    >>
    >> it may also be that
    >> the heat sink on the
    >> cpu is not making
    >> sufficient contact on
    >> the cpu.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> --
    >> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
    >>
    >> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
    >>
    >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >> This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:
    >>
    >> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
    >>
    >>
    >> "nurmi" <bogus@gmxs.de> wrote in message news:#WIuKhuKLHA.5932@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>> I drive the Windows XP Home Edition SP 3 Until today it has performed the way it was
    >>> designed.
    >>> Three times today I worked with it as usual when about 30 to 45 minutes after booting up, the
    >>> operating system
    >>> stopped funtioning. The arrow disappeard, Control, Alt, Delete, did not wake up the Task
    >>> Manager, turning
    >>> a printer on or of brought no reaction from the PC, did not activate the red light . Re-booting
    >>> worked normally.
    >>> Then it occurred again. Any ideas?
    >>> Nurmi
    >>>

    >
    >
     
  8. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    How do you do it in Phoenix?
    "Richard in AZ" <me@mailinator.com> wrote in message
    news:ue2$kL1KLHA.5668@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > Picky-Picky-Picky
    > "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
    > news:u0tVPj0KLHA.4216@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >> What good would that do? Pointing a fan does nothing You have to have it
    >> running.
    >> "Db" <databaseb~@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:95E889BC-9D79-4A16-9284-5755518B4AF9@microsoft.com...
    >>> if you think that it
    >>> is overheating,
    >>>
    >>> then you might try
    >>> opening the side panel
    >>> and point a fan to the
    >>> motherboard and see
    >>> if it helps.
    >>>
    >>> it may also be that
    >>> the heat sink on the
    >>> cpu is not making
    >>> sufficient contact on
    >>> the cpu.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> --
    >>> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
    >>>
    >>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
    >>>
    >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >>> This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:
    >>>
    >>> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "nurmi" <bogus@gmxs.de> wrote in message
    >>> news:#WIuKhuKLHA.5932@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>> I drive the Windows XP Home Edition SP 3 Until today it has
    >>>> performed the way it was designed.
    >>>> Three times today I worked with it as usual when about 30 to 45 minutes
    >>>> after booting up, the operating system
    >>>> stopped funtioning. The arrow disappeard, Control, Alt, Delete, did
    >>>> not wake up the Task Manager, turning
    >>>> a printer on or of brought no reaction from the PC, did not activate
    >>>> the red light . Re-booting worked normally.
    >>>> Then it occurred again. Any ideas?
    >>>> Nurmi
    >>>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
  9. Richard in AZ

    Richard in AZ Flightless Bird

    In Phoenix our fans come hard-wired to be on.
    "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message news:-OEoaV11KLHA.3732@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > How do you do it in Phoenix?
    > "Richard in AZ" <me@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:ue2$kL1KLHA.5668@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >> Picky-Picky-Picky
    >> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message news:u0tVPj0KLHA.4216@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>> What good would that do? Pointing a fan does nothing You have to have it running.
    >>> "Db" <databaseb~@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:95E889BC-9D79-4A16-9284-5755518B4AF9@microsoft.com...
    >>>> if you think that it
    >>>> is overheating,
    >>>>
    >>>> then you might try
    >>>> opening the side panel
    >>>> and point a fan to the
    >>>> motherboard and see
    >>>> if it helps.
    >>>>
    >>>> it may also be that
    >>>> the heat sink on the
    >>>> cpu is not making
    >>>> sufficient contact on
    >>>> the cpu.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> --
    >>>> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
    >>>>
    >>>> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
    >>>>
    >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >>>> This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:
    >>>>
    >>>> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "nurmi" <bogus@gmxs.de> wrote in message news:#WIuKhuKLHA.5932@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> I drive the Windows XP Home Edition SP 3 Until today it has performed the way it was
    >>>>> designed.
    >>>>> Three times today I worked with it as usual when about 30 to 45 minutes after booting up, the
    >>>>> operating system
    >>>>> stopped funtioning. The arrow disappeard, Control, Alt, Delete, did not wake up the Task
    >>>>> Manager, turning
    >>>>> a printer on or of brought no reaction from the PC, did not activate the red light .
    >>>>> Re-booting worked normally.
    >>>>> Then it occurred again. Any ideas?
    >>>>> Nurmi
    >>>>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
  10. nurmi

    nurmi Flightless Bird

    Thank you all. At this moment, 1615 Hrs the pc has been running faultlessly
    for over two hours. It would seem that heat may have been the problem.
    I'll post if the problem repeats itself and one of the other recommended
    solution fixes the problem
    Nurmi
    "nurmi" <bogus@gmxs.de> wrote in message
    news:%23WIuKhuKLHA.5932@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > I drive the Windows XP Home Edition SP 3 Until today it has
    > performed the way it was designed.
    > Three times today I worked with it as usual when about 30 to 45 minutes
    > after booting up, the operating system
    > stopped funtioning. The arrow disappeard, Control, Alt, Delete, did not
    > wake up the Task Manager, turning
    > a printer on or of brought no reaction from the PC, did not activate the
    > red light . Re-booting worked normally.
    > Then it occurred again. Any ideas?
    > Nurmi
    >
     
  11. nurmi

    nurmi Flightless Bird

    For some reason the replies to this question do not appear although I
    clicked on "Reply to the Group"
    I have executed your suggestions and found the PC clean, the condition of
    the capacitors around the processor socket appear to be in good condition,
    and the memory tests OK as well. The problem continues at least once
    shortly after booting up. After that it runs for hours without a problem.
    I have one problem that you can fix: How to I stopp a chkdsk command? I
    have searched the help programs without success.
    Thanks
    nurmi
    "nurmi" <bogus@gmxs.de> wrote in message
    news:%23WIuKhuKLHA.5932@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > I drive the Windows XP Home Edition SP 3 Until today it has
    > performed the way it was designed.
    > Three times today I worked with it as usual when about 30 to 45 minutes
    > after booting up, the operating system
    > stopped funtioning. The arrow disappeard, Control, Alt, Delete, did not
    > wake up the Task Manager, turning
    > a printer on or of brought no reaction from the PC, did not activate the
    > red light . Re-booting worked normally.
    > Then it occurred again. Any ideas?
    > Nurmi
    >
     
  12. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    nurmi wrote:
    > For some reason the replies to this question do not appear although I
    > clicked on "Reply to the Group"
    > I have executed your suggestions and found the PC clean, the condition of
    > the capacitors around the processor socket appear to be in good condition,
    > and the memory tests OK as well. The problem continues at least once
    > shortly after booting up. After that it runs for hours without a problem.
    > I have one problem that you can fix: How to I stopp a chkdsk command? I
    > have searched the help programs without success.
    > Thanks
    > nurmi


    Based on your symptoms right now, the next thing I'd try is swapping in
    a spare ATX power supply, and retest. If this is a power supply related
    issue, that might make a difference.

    Testing power supplies, is too difficult to do effectively at home
    (using only a multimeter). If your existing power supply had bad capacitors,
    there might be short events of out of spec DC levels, just after the
    power supply is started (that is what I experienced here with an Antec
    brand supply). A multimeter is not the best instrument for detecting
    things such as spikes on the DC rails, and other instruments are too
    expensive, even to rent. You can buy a new power supply, for less than
    a lot of other testing options.

    *******

    If you use Speedfan from almico.com , is the CPU temperature below 65C ?

    http://www.almico.com/speedfan441.exe

    For a stress test, you can try Prime95 from mersenne.org/freesoft . Their
    site is not operating properly right now, so you'll have to wait until
    later to get the file. The stress test does a mathematical calculation
    with a known answer, and the program can detect if an error has been
    made. This test increases the CPU temperature, and accelerates stability
    testing. The test should run error free for hours - I accept a four
    hour run, error free, as proof the computer is operating well. On an
    unstable system, that test will stop in a couple seconds with an error.

    Some stability problems, only happen when the CPU is idle. They could be
    due to changing P-state or C-state on the processor, and operating it
    at some combination of low frequency and low voltage (the CPU is tested
    at the factory, to be stable over those conditions, so it is supposed
    to work, and they include sufficient margin for aging). You could try
    using the "Power Options" control panel and selected a power
    scheme such as "Always On", in an attempt to keep the CPU running
    in the highest state all the time. But I wouldn't bet on that fixing
    it, or making any difference.

    I've spent days and days in hardware labs, using logic analyzers on
    computers we were building, to fix problems like this. It's very difficult
    to find a root cause (unless the computer logs an event somewhere - many
    failures are silent, because the computer dies before it can log anything).
    Your chances of figuring it out with functional tests, are pretty
    limited.

    As an alternative test, you can boot a Linux LiveCD, such as Ubuntu from
    ubuntu.com . It runs directly from the CD, and doesn't have to install
    any software on the hard drive in order to work. The purpose of doing
    this test, is to see if your OS is part of the problem or not. If
    Linux remains running for hours (while you're web surfing with the
    built-in browser), then perhaps some aspect of the OS is involved
    after all (a WinXP problem, like a driver problem perhaps).

    Good luck,
    Paul

    > "nurmi" <bogus@gmxs.de> wrote in message
    > news:%23WIuKhuKLHA.5932@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >> I drive the Windows XP Home Edition SP 3 Until today it has
    >> performed the way it was designed.
    >> Three times today I worked with it as usual when about 30 to 45 minutes
    >> after booting up, the operating system
    >> stopped funtioning. The arrow disappeard, Control, Alt, Delete, did not
    >> wake up the Task Manager, turning
    >> a printer on or of brought no reaction from the PC, did not activate the
    >> red light . Re-booting worked normally.
    >> Then it occurred again. Any ideas?
    >> Nurmi
     
  13. nurmi

    nurmi Flightless Bird

    Hi Paul,
    Most of what your explanations are going a little over my head. AT 79 it's
    difficult to learn new things. -:)
    Right now I down loading the CD from Ubuntu. Thanks for that tip. I think
    I can work that, and am looking forward to it.
    What I don't undestand is the following:
    "The purpose of doing this test, is to see if your OS is part of the problem
    or not. If Linux remains runing for hours (while you're surfing with the
    built-in browser) ((Explorer 7)) then perhaps some aspect of the OS is
    involved after all. Should that not read: <if Linus stops running?>
    And could you please tell me how I can stop the <check disk/f> during
    boot-up. I did try to find an answer in the Help progr. No luck.
    I will keep you posted on this.
    When I booted the PC up today, all went well until I clicked on the Outlook
    Prog. Outlook showed up, but after that nothing. I re-booted and am typing
    to you now. For nearly a hour the PC is running well? Does that tell you
    something new?
    Have a nice day!
    Nurmi
    "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    news:i2lv6h$es0$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > nurmi wrote:
    >> For some reason the replies to this question do not appear although I
    >> clicked on "Reply to the Group"
    >> I have executed your suggestions and found the PC clean, the condition
    >> of the capacitors around the processor socket appear to be in good
    >> condition, and the memory tests OK as well. The problem continues at
    >> least once shortly after booting up. After that it runs for hours
    >> without a problem.
    >> I have one problem that you can fix: How to I stopp a chkdsk command? I
    >> have searched the help programs without success.
    >> Thanks
    >> nurmi

    >
    > Based on your symptoms right now, the next thing I'd try is swapping in
    > a spare ATX power supply, and retest. If this is a power supply related
    > issue, that might make a difference.
    >
    > Testing power supplies, is too difficult to do effectively at home
    > (using only a multimeter). If your existing power supply had bad
    > capacitors,
    > there might be short events of out of spec DC levels, just after the
    > power supply is started (that is what I experienced here with an Antec
    > brand supply). A multimeter is not the best instrument for detecting
    > things such as spikes on the DC rails, and other instruments are too
    > expensive, even to rent. You can buy a new power supply, for less than
    > a lot of other testing options.
    >
    > *******
    >
    > If you use Speedfan from almico.com , is the CPU temperature below 65C ?
    >
    > http://www.almico.com/speedfan441.exe
    >
    > For a stress test, you can try Prime95 from mersenne.org/freesoft . Their
    > site is not operating properly right now, so you'll have to wait until
    > later to get the file. The stress test does a mathematical calculation
    > with a known answer, and the program can detect if an error has been
    > made. This test increases the CPU temperature, and accelerates stability
    > testing. The test should run error free for hours - I accept a four
    > hour run, error free, as proof the computer is operating well. On an
    > unstable system, that test will stop in a couple seconds with an error.
    >
    > Some stability problems, only happen when the CPU is idle. They could be
    > due to changing P-state or C-state on the processor, and operating it
    > at some combination of low frequency and low voltage (the CPU is tested
    > at the factory, to be stable over those conditions, so it is supposed
    > to work, and they include sufficient margin for aging). You could try
    > using the "Power Options" control panel and selected a power
    > scheme such as "Always On", in an attempt to keep the CPU running
    > in the highest state all the time. But I wouldn't bet on that fixing
    > it, or making any difference.
    >
    > I've spent days and days in hardware labs, using logic analyzers on
    > computers we were building, to fix problems like this. It's very difficult
    > to find a root cause (unless the computer logs an event somewhere - many
    > failures are silent, because the computer dies before it can log
    > anything).
    > Your chances of figuring it out with functional tests, are pretty
    > limited.
    >
    > As an alternative test, you can boot a Linux LiveCD, such as Ubuntu from
    > ubuntu.com . It runs directly from the CD, and doesn't have to install
    > any software on the hard drive in order to work. The purpose of doing
    > this test, is to see if your OS is part of the problem or not. If
    > Linux remains running for hours (while you're web surfing with the
    > built-in browser), then perhaps some aspect of the OS is involved
    > after all (a WinXP problem, like a driver problem perhaps).
    >
    > Good luck,
    > Paul
    >
    >> "nurmi" <bogus@gmxs.de> wrote in message
    >> news:%23WIuKhuKLHA.5932@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>> I drive the Windows XP Home Edition SP 3 Until today it has
    >>> performed the way it was designed.
    >>> Three times today I worked with it as usual when about 30 to 45 minutes
    >>> after booting up, the operating system
    >>> stopped funtioning. The arrow disappeard, Control, Alt, Delete, did not
    >>> wake up the Task Manager, turning
    >>> a printer on or of brought no reaction from the PC, did not activate the
    >>> red light . Re-booting worked normally.
    >>> Then it occurred again. Any ideas?
    >>> Nurmi

    >
     
  14. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    nurmi wrote:
    > Hi Paul,
    > Most of what your explanations are going a little over my head. AT 79 it's
    > difficult to learn new things. -:)


    > Right now I down loading the CD from Ubuntu. Thanks for that tip. I think
    > I can work that, and am looking forward to it.


    > What I don't undestand is the following:
    > "The purpose of doing this test, is to see if your OS is part of the problem
    > or not. If Linux remains runing for hours (while you're surfing with the
    > built-in browser) ((Explorer 7)) then perhaps some aspect of the OS is
    > involved after all. Should that not read: <if Linus stops running?>
    > And could you please tell me how I can stop the <check disk/f> during
    > boot-up. I did try to find an answer in the Help progr. No luck.
    > I will keep you posted on this.


    > When I booted the PC up today, all went well until I clicked on the Outlook
    > Prog. Outlook showed up, but after that nothing. I re-booted and am typing
    > to you now. For nearly a hour the PC is running well? Does that tell you
    > something new?


    > Have a nice day!
    > Nurmi


    When I suggested the Linux LiveCD (of which Ubuntu is one example), it
    was to see whether running an entirely separate operating system,
    gives the same hardware symptoms or not.

    For example, say this is a Windows XP problem. It shows up, as long as
    Windows XP is running.

    Now, I boot the computer with a Linux CD. Now, the computer is running
    Linux software, and Windows XP is not involved. The hard drive contents
    do not need to be used, while the Linux LiveCD is running. The Linux
    LiveCD is self-sufficient, using its own software right off the
    CD, and storing temporary information in system memory.

    The Linux LiveCD has its own web browser. It could be called Firefox
    for example. You'd look in the menus at the top left of the screen,
    search for something like "Internet", and then see if there is
    some web browser like Firefox in a sub-menu.

    Now, if you really have a hardware problem, the Linux operating system
    should "freeze" or crash just like Windows XP does.

    If you find the Linux environment never encounters a freeze, after
    using it for a while, then you might conclude from that, that
    the Windows XP operating system, or something you've added to WinXP,
    is somehow contributing to the "freeze" problem. You would then
    toss the Linux CD in the corner, and do a Repair Install or the
    like, of your WinXP on the hard drive. (Always back up your user
    data, before doing something like that, so you don't use anything
    valuable.) Then go back to testing a clean copy of WinXP.

    Some pre-built computers (Dell/HP/Acer/Gateway), may not come with
    a very nice re-installation method. That is why it is important to
    backup any user data first, in case the re-installation messes up
    your user data. You can purchase a USB external hard drive, and
    using software from the hard drive manufacturer's web site, you
    can store a copy of what is on your computer now, for safe keeping
    later. Any time I'm doing something "dangerous" to my computer,
    I store copies of the data, somewhere else. I have at least
    five spare disks now, for such storage.

    Paul
     
  15. nurmi

    nurmi Flightless Bird

    Thanks Paul for a informative explanation.
    I am stuck with burning the Unbutu Data onto a Cd. I am informed that the C
    does not have enough free space for all your files. There is 656 MB free
    space on the disk and 649 MB to be written. What to do?
    Would you please instruct me how to stop the request for check Disk on
    boot-up?
    Nurmi
    "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    news:i2of6j$6vk$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > nurmi wrote:
    >> Hi Paul,
    >> Most of what your explanations are going a little over my head. AT 79
    >> it's difficult to learn new things. -:)

    >
    >> Right now I down loading the CD from Ubuntu. Thanks for that tip. I
    >> think I can work that, and am looking forward to it.

    >
    >> What I don't undestand is the following:
    >> "The purpose of doing this test, is to see if your OS is part of the
    >> problem or not. If Linux remains runing for hours (while you're surfing
    >> with the built-in browser) ((Explorer 7)) then perhaps some aspect of the
    >> OS is involved after all. Should that not read: <if Linus stops
    >> running?>
    >> And could you please tell me how I can stop the <check disk/f> during
    >> boot-up. I did try to find an answer in the Help progr. No luck.
    >> I will keep you posted on this.

    >
    >> When I booted the PC up today, all went well until I clicked on the
    >> Outlook Prog. Outlook showed up, but after that nothing. I re-booted
    >> and am typing to you now. For nearly a hour the PC is running well? Does
    >> that tell you something new?

    >
    >> Have a nice day!
    >> Nurmi

    >
    > When I suggested the Linux LiveCD (of which Ubuntu is one example), it
    > was to see whether running an entirely separate operating system,
    > gives the same hardware symptoms or not.
    >
    > For example, say this is a Windows XP problem. It shows up, as long as
    > Windows XP is running.
    >
    > Now, I boot the computer with a Linux CD. Now, the computer is running
    > Linux software, and Windows XP is not involved. The hard drive contents
    > do not need to be used, while the Linux LiveCD is running. The Linux
    > LiveCD is self-sufficient, using its own software right off the
    > CD, and storing temporary information in system memory.
    >
    > The Linux LiveCD has its own web browser. It could be called Firefox
    > for example. You'd look in the menus at the top left of the screen,
    > search for something like "Internet", and then see if there is
    > some web browser like Firefox in a sub-menu.
    >
    > Now, if you really have a hardware problem, the Linux operating system
    > should "freeze" or crash just like Windows XP does.
    >
    > If you find the Linux environment never encounters a freeze, after
    > using it for a while, then you might conclude from that, that
    > the Windows XP operating system, or something you've added to WinXP,
    > is somehow contributing to the "freeze" problem. You would then
    > toss the Linux CD in the corner, and do a Repair Install or the
    > like, of your WinXP on the hard drive. (Always back up your user
    > data, before doing something like that, so you don't use anything
    > valuable.) Then go back to testing a clean copy of WinXP.
    >
    > Some pre-built computers (Dell/HP/Acer/Gateway), may not come with
    > a very nice re-installation method. That is why it is important to
    > backup any user data first, in case the re-installation messes up
    > your user data. You can purchase a USB external hard drive, and
    > using software from the hard drive manufacturer's web site, you
    > can store a copy of what is on your computer now, for safe keeping
    > later. Any time I'm doing something "dangerous" to my computer,
    > I store copies of the data, somewhere else. I have at least
    > five spare disks now, for such storage.
    >
    > Paul
     
  16. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    nurmi wrote:
    > Thanks Paul for a informative explanation.
    > I am stuck with burning the Unbutu Data onto a Cd. I am informed that the C
    > does not have enough free space for all your files. There is 656 MB free
    > space on the disk and 649 MB to be written. What to do?
    > Would you please instruct me how to stop the request for check Disk on
    > boot-up?
    > Nurmi


    Get a copy of Imgburn and burn the CD that way. Imgburn knows how
    to properly process the ISO9660 file, and Imgburn is free. I've used
    Imgburn, for burning dual layer DVD-9 and it did a nice job.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imgburn

    "Supported formats - BIN, CUE, DI, DVD, GI, IMG, ISO <--- "

    http://majorgeeks.com/ImgBurn_d4870.html (download links)

    http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download (download links)

    Not all CD/DVD burners can handle a 700MB Linux LiveCD. The very first
    time I tried to burn such a CD, I discovered my burner would only
    handle a 650MB ISO file and nothing larger. I actually ended up
    buying a new burner, and that one had no problem burning the file.
    If you have a really old CD burner, that may prevent burning
    media larger than 650MB.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-ROM

    "Capacities of Compact Disc types (90 and 99 minute discs are not standard)

    Type Minutes

    650 MB 74 <---- first time I tried, this was the limit with the old burner
    700 MB 80 <---- with a new burner, I could burn one of these
    800 MB 90
    900 MB 99
    "

    *******

    http://www.ehow.com/how_5022770_stop-chkdsk.html

    http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2008/02/23/disable-or-stop-auto-chkdsk-during-windows-startup/

    http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16834255

    HTH,
    Paul
     
  17. nurmi

    nurmi Flightless Bird

    Thanks Paul.
    I tried but this is what showed up:
    The disk type being burned is a ISO CD and you have loaded a CD ROM or burnt
    CD. Pls insert an appropriate disk.
    Since this attempt I have disconnected printer, speakers, extra storage
    device, headphones, and checked the interior of the PC again.
    The PC booted up, and accepted all the above, without a whimper. I have had
    it on for hours and although it is slow responding to opening the Computer,
    all seems to be well.
    So thank you for now. You will probably hear from me again.
    Have a good summer.
    Nurmi

    "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    news:i2qsgl$8ov$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > nurmi wrote:
    >> Thanks Paul for a informative explanation.
    >> I am stuck with burning the Unbutu Data onto a Cd. I am informed that the
    >> C
    >> does not have enough free space for all your files. There is 656 MB free
    >> space on the disk and 649 MB to be written. What to do?
    >> Would you please instruct me how to stop the request for check Disk on
    >> boot-up?
    >> Nurmi

    >
    > Get a copy of Imgburn and burn the CD that way. Imgburn knows how
    > to properly process the ISO9660 file, and Imgburn is free. I've used
    > Imgburn, for burning dual layer DVD-9 and it did a nice job.
    >
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imgburn
    >
    > "Supported formats - BIN, CUE, DI, DVD, GI, IMG, ISO <--- "
    >
    > http://majorgeeks.com/ImgBurn_d4870.html (download links)
    >
    > http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download (download links)
    >
    > Not all CD/DVD burners can handle a 700MB Linux LiveCD. The very first
    > time I tried to burn such a CD, I discovered my burner would only
    > handle a 650MB ISO file and nothing larger. I actually ended up
    > buying a new burner, and that one had no problem burning the file.
    > If you have a really old CD burner, that may prevent burning
    > media larger than 650MB.
    >
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-ROM
    >
    > "Capacities of Compact Disc types (90 and 99 minute discs are not
    > standard)
    >
    > Type Minutes
    >
    > 650 MB 74 <---- first time I tried, this was the limit with the
    > old burner
    > 700 MB 80 <---- with a new burner, I could burn one of these
    > 800 MB 90
    > 900 MB 99
    > "
    >
    > *******
    >
    > http://www.ehow.com/how_5022770_stop-chkdsk.html
    >
    > http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2008/02/23/disable-or-stop-auto-chkdsk-during-windows-startup/
    >
    > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16834255
    >
    > HTH,
    > Paul
    >
    >
     

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